Re: The Strange World of Jeffrey Epstein

by Verdi 04.12.19 11:43

BlueBag wrote:
Verdi wrote:There is a distinct possibility he, Clarence Mitchell, was asked or told to leave.
Oh... I think he was still unofficially working for the same people.

Exactly .... between his return to the UK in June 2007 and his resignation in September 2007, he was unofficially working for team McCann - and still is on a retainer, by all accounts.

I imagine that was seen as quite an embarrassment for the government.

by **PeterMac** 06.12.19 12:13

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by Verdi 09.12.19 1:19

by Verdi 10.12.19 11:52

Ghislaine Maxwell plans to defend Prince Andrew in TV interview

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December 10 2019, 12:01am, The Times

Ghislaine Maxwell is planning to give a television interview in the US in which she will defend her friend the Duke of York, it has been reported.

The daughter of the disgraced newspaper baron Robert Maxwell is said to be in talks with a US network.

Ms Maxwell, who disappeared after Jeffrey Epstein was arrested on charges of child sex trafficking, is apparently ready to stand up for Prince Andrew, 59, after his disastrous [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] with Emily Maitlis.

A former girlfriend of Epstein, who killed himself in jail in August, Ms Maxwell is ready to say that Virginia Roberts Giuffre is lying about having sex with Andrew three times as a teenager, according to a report in The Sun.

The newspaper quoted a source as saying: “Ghislaine is in hiding and knows the only way to stop being hunted is to speak on her own terms. She will do a sit-down interview with a big US network and defend the duke. Apparently, she’ll say Virginia Giuffre is lying and Andrew never had sex with her.”

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Well that should be interesting smilie

. The Sun shines on the righteous - ask the McCanns, they know winkwink

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by Guest 25.12.19 16:08

BBC.

Seriously?

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by Guest 26.12.19 7:28

BlueBag wrote:BBC.

Seriously?

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To further explain.

This was on the BBC News main page at 2.00 pm yesterday - Christmas Day.

Look at it.

Someone at the BBC selected that image as video thumbnail for a story about Andrew.

They changed it later.

by Guest 26.12.19 10:33

That was not chosen by accident, was it? What a despicable thing to do to the child.

by Milo 26.12.19 11:10

Vomit-making is how I would describe it. Despicable action by the BBC as CaKeLoveR describes it. Fancy having the Andrew word beside the photo of Charlotte with a pink toy or whatever that thing is.

Not that I believe Andrew's name should be seen as a bad thing in the first place. I do not consider a man having sex with a tramp who is the same age as school-leavers, some of whom are in booze-induced sexual encounters in the post-school-life partying period, to be child molestation. Victoria Roberts was big-noting herself wanting to send a photo of herself with Andrew to her mummy. Sex slave - I think not. Consensual yes. Andrew involved - probably yes. Bad taste Andrew - yes. Silly boy Andrew - yes. If the latter, he would have been better off acknowledging it and then moving the spotlight onto Roberts as she finds a way to extract money from Epstein's estate.

If Andrew and his lawyers really believed that the photograph was a fake they should have contacted the CMMC research group and study the case of the so-called final photo of Madeleine. Mind you that is about where any link between the Epstein and Madeleine worlds intersect IMO.

by Guest 26.12.19 11:52

I think the CMMC research group could study and resolve just about anything which needs a resolution. I am in awe of how much they have done in Madeleine's case. As for Andrew, he seems sleazy, and none too particular, but I don't think he's a Saville or a Smith.

by Verdi 26.12.19 12:04

Milo wrote: Not that I believe Andrew's name should be seen as a bad thing in the first place. I do not consider a man having sex with a tramp who is the same age as school-leavers, some of whom are in booze-induced sexual encounters in the post-school-life partying period, to be child molestation. Victoria Roberts was big-noting herself wanting to send a photo of herself with Andrew to her mummy. Sex slave - I think not. Consensual yes. Andrew involved - probably yes. Bad taste Andrew - yes. Silly boy Andrew - yes. If the latter, he would have been better off acknowledging it and then moving the spotlight onto Roberts as she finds a way to extract money from Epstein's estate..

^^^ Post of the month thumbsup

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by Verdi 26.12.19 12:10

CaKeLoveR wrote:That was not chosen by accident, was it? What a despicable thing to do to the child.

Keep things in perspective! Whatever you might think of Prince Andrew, he is not a child molester - he is not into little children. Any more than Epstein was.

He was and still is a member of the royal family, perfectly understandable he would be included in photographs with the rest of the family members.

This BBC vigilante has got way out of hand. You can find rot anywhere if you look hard enough.

by Guest 26.12.19 13:10

He is not a child molester, but the choice of that 'photo will put the idea in some heads that he is. Milo summed it up - silly boy Andrew!

by Verdi 26.12.19 14:09

Any more than Clement Freud was an infant child molester, yet folk still like to look for a connection to link him with the disappearance of Madeleine McCann. with the word paedophile in mind at all times.

Folk should stop being absorbed by salacious gossip spread abroad by the press.

High profile personalities abuse their position in society, they think they can get away with anything and do - until they're caught out.

Meanwhile the more serious situation of widescale child abuse within the establishment continues unabated apart from throwing the spotlight on Asian gangs and poor old Prince Andrew caught with his trousers down - if indeed he is guilty as charged!

by **PeterMac** 27.12.19 8:57

More Sanctimonious Perverts . . .
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Nauseating. But all too predictable.

by **PeterMac** 28.12.19 14:48

by **Jill Havern** 06.01.20 7:42

Darren of Plymouth

@DarrenPlymouth
"Talking of you perverts, it was a big year for pedophile movies..."

Ricky Gervais gives it to the Hollywood elite (5th time)

"... in the end he obviously didn't kill himself, just like Jeffrey Epstein... shut up I know he's your friend"

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Bloody hilarious from Ricky

And the comments on here are great too:

Slate
@Slate
Just how big a jerk was Ricky Gervais at the Golden Globes?

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by **Jill Havern** 07.01.20 10:55

60 Minutes
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“I have never seen three fractures like this in a suicidal hanging.”

Dr. Michael Baden lays out the forensic reasons why he’s skeptical of the medical examiner’s ruling that Jeffrey Epstein killed himself. **This video contains graphic images.**

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by **PeterMac** 08.01.20 21:38

Well no. It is consistent with a garrotting with piano wire.
I have seen several (too many) self inflicted hangings, and even with my infinitesimally small experience it doesn't look 'right'.

by Verdi 09.01.20 0:24

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by Guest 09.01.20 8:25

Woking.

by plebgate 09.01.20 9:50

CaKeLoveR wrote:Woking.

by Verdi 10.01.20 1:01

Jeffrey Epstein: Jail CCTV erased by 'technical errors'

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Surveillance video from disgraced financier Jeffrey Epstein's first suspected suicide attempt was destroyed by accident, prosecutors say.

US attorneys say the jail mistakenly saved footage from the wrong cell.

Epstein, a convicted sex offender, hanged himself in jail in August while awaiting trial on federal sex-trafficking charges.

He had pleaded not guilty to sexually abusing dozens of girls, some as young as 14.

The issue over this footage comes from the case of Nicholas Tartaglione, a former New York police officer who shared a cell with Epstein in July.

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Well there's a novelty - what a coincidence roll

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Do these people think the public are that stupid, or do they not even care? I'll go with the latter. They can say whatever they like as we, the people, can say whatever we like .... well, within reason. Question is - who's reason?

We live in a world of make believe.

by Guest 10.01.20 7:21

It took them a while to come up with this 'accident', didn't it? They 're laughing at us. The PTB always do.

by **PeterMac** 10.01.20 7:35

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by Guest 10.01.20 7:58

Are there no people with authority willing to take this on?

Deleted tapes?

It's just an outrage.

by Guest 10.01.20 8:18

Anybody who did try to take this on would probably also meet with an unforeseen suicide.

by **PeterMac** 10.01.20 8:49

The people with the Authority to take it on are the very same people who have a vested interest in ensuring that it is not taken on.
Mike Todd, Dr Kelly, Jill Dando, Brenda Leyland, Halligen, and many others are investigated by the "Authorities" and when the transcript of the inquest is released it becomes apparent that none of the important issues were addressed, or the important questions asked.
In The Feather Men Fiennes showed how good preparation could mislead even the most diligent of enquiries.
More recently they are not even bothering to do it properly, as it now seems to be assumed that the enquiry will start from its conclusion, and only look for and then find evidence which supports that.

Dr Kelly was supposed to have died from exsanguination after 'cutting his wrist'. A first year medical student will tell you that is simply not possible. The radial artery is very small, and in any event will close up up after trauma to control the flow.
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Mike Todd was supposed to have died of exposure after drinking a half-bottle of gin and wandered up a small hill in Snowdonia. A half-bottle is 375 ml. A modern 'double' G&T can be 70ml, (previously it was 50, but the strength permitted has gone down from 40º to 35º). A domestic measure will be far bigger than that. So 4 or 5 decent G&Ts is a half bottle. Over the limit for driving, but unlikely to affect a Senior Police Officer who would consider 3 before dinner on Mess Night fairly normal.

The Authorities are the issue.

by Guest 10.01.20 11:01

Vince Foster in the US is another who was suicided.

No question about it.

Strangely the same people seem to be implicated.

by **Jill Havern** 12.01.20 17:01

Ex-Scotland Yard Detective Reveals How London Police Protect Pedo Rings

by Doug D 27.01.20 17:54

No timescale given as to when he was contacted, but presumably long enough ago that they would have expected to have received a response by now, hence this external pressure.

'Zero co-operation' from Andrew during Epstein inquiry, prosecutor says

Monday 27 January 2020 17:31, UK

Prince Andrew has been accused of offering 'zero' cooperation

Prince Andrew has provided "zero co-operation" with the Jeffrey Epstein sex trafficking investigation, a US prosecutor has said.

Geoffrey Berman, Manhattan's top federal prosecutor, said his team - as well as the FBI - had contacted the prince's lawyers and asked to interview him.

"To date, Prince Andrew has provided zero cooperation," Mr Berman said while speaking at a news conference outside Epstein's New York mansion.

Buckingham Palace has been contacted for comment.

Last year, Prince Andrew announced he was withdrawing from royal duties amid renewed attention of his friendship with Epstein, who was a convicted paedophile.

It also came after a [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] about the friendship, as well as allegations by Virginia Roberts Giuffre, who claims she had several sexual encounters with the prince, starting when she was 17.

Ms Giuffre, now a mother-of-three, said that after meeting Epstein in Florida in 2000, he flew her around the world and pressured her into having sex with numerous older men, including Andrew, two senior politicians and a noted academic among others.

All of those men have denied the allegations.

She claims to have had sex with Andrew three times on Epstein's instructions, including once in London in 2001 at the home of Epstein's girlfriend, Ghislaine Maxwell.

Both Andrew and Maxwell - who are old friends - have denied any knowledge that Epstein was sexually abusing teenage girls.

During the BBC Newsnight interview last year, Andrew insisted he was out having pizza with his children on the night Ms Giuffre says they were together in London.

The interview was widely criticised, with much of the criticism coming from Andrew's failure to express sympathy for victims of Epstein, who was awaiting trial accused of trafficking girls for sex.

He had already served time in prison in 2008 for prostituting underage girls.

Andrew stayed at his house two years later, telling Newsnight it had been "[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]" and thought it was "the honourable and right thing to do" after visiting him to end their friendship.

US attorney general William Barr has vowed to aggressively investigate and bring charges against anyone who may have helped Epstein, who [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] while he was awaiting trial on sex trafficking charges.

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