Re: What really Happened? Part 3 - Gerry

by Lyall 30.08.24 20:22

Sorry, I don't know where else to post this. Is the consensus on this forum that she was accidentally killed by the parents who quickly covered it up and then let the British media do the rest

2 Sept 2024

REPLY: By PeterMac

NO. IT ISN'T

by **crusader** 30.08.24 20:39

Hi Lyall, I would say welcome but I've got a feeling you wont be here long.

Are you really interested in what happened to Madeline or is your post a casual enquiry?
You clearly have no idea what this forum is about.

by Clishmaclaver 30.08.24 23:31

Liz Eagles wrote:
Nina wrote:
Clishmaclaver wrote:The Masonic code mentioned in Bernt's book is, indeed, interesting. Had G still been living in Glasgow, I would tend to think that he wouldn't be a Freemason (think local culture and all that ... !). He would perhaps have been more interested in joining the Catenians (is Uncle B.K. not one?) or the Knights of St. Columba, i.e. if he hadn't been too busy with studying/working/going down south to see K or too young to even consider that sort of scene.

However, G is in England and G is very ambitious!

Freemasonry doesn't prohibit Catholics from joining the fraternity, but the R.C.Church considers membership to be incompatible with the R.C. faith. Freemasons accept the existence of a Supreme Being, and religion is not a criterion for admittance.

Think about the bloodcurdling roars and G prostrating himself on the ground on the night of 3rd May
I wondered why he should prostate himself before the Portuguese police but maybe this could be a clue, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freemasonry_in_Portugal
My mother's family were Glaswegian. The men were masons.

Sorry for the tardy reply. I wasn't implying that Freemasonry doesn't exist in Glasgow or, for that matter, in Scotland - far from it. I was trying to be subtle about the sectarian divide that still lingers in the West of Scotland/Central belt and, of course, N. Ireland.

Have you heard the question 'Whit fit dae ye kick wi'?'

See Tom Minogue.com for a good explanation, albeit with reference to Fife in the East coast!

by pinkgladioli 31.08.24 8:48

IMO both sets of what ever fit you kick with, each have their own clubs that have infiltrated all walks of life, to look after their own, to the detriment of others!

by Clishmaclaver 31.08.24 9:11

pinkgladioli wrote:IMO both sets of what ever fit you kick with, each have their own clubs that have infiltrated all walks of life, to look after their own, to the detriment of others!

Yes! Let's face it, some people will run with the hare and hunt with the hounds to get on in life.

by pinkgladioli 31.08.24 9:47

Clishmaclaver wrote:
pinkgladioli wrote:IMO both sets of what ever fit you kick with, each have their own clubs that have infiltrated all walks of life, to look after their own, to the detriment of others!
Yes! Let's face it, some people will run with the hare and hunt with the hounds to get on in life.

I’d agree that in Scotland it very possibly rife,
In the last decade alone there has been reports in newspapers of alleged cronysm involving a certain former Lord Provost in Glesga toon, bearing strong Donegal links,

by **crusader** 14.09.24 16:47

I'm not sure where to put this, has anyone on the forum whose been to Praia da Luz ever been up the Luz Bay view point?

by pinkgladioli 14.09.24 18:52

I’ve only been for a few hours, took two buses to get there from Alvor, I’ve holidayed in quite a few different areas in the Algarve as it’s my favourite holiday destination, Alvor attracts a lot of Irish nationality
PDL was gorgeous and do plan to go back sometime when there we walked along the beach,had a little walk around seen apartment 5A walked from there to Baptista sat outside and had a milkshake, the church is close to the bus stop, which is close to the beach

by **crusader** 14.09.24 18:58

Ok, thanks for that pinkgladioli, it was just a thought I had after looking at google maps.

by pinkgladioli 14.09.24 20:05

I wish I’d been able to stay for longer to check it out better

by **crusader** 14.09.24 20:08

I would love to go back to Portugal and especially Praia da Luz, we stayed in Albufeira.

by pinkgladioli 14.09.24 22:08

I used to walk into Albuferia from Praia da Oura, the last time I was in the Algarve was Tavira loved it! Loved Cabanas and taking the wee taxi boats out to the beach

by Clishmaclaver 01.10.24 10:44

pinkgladioli wrote:I initially thought WOW as well, especially the date it was posted as it was just before Bernt’s interview,
It made me wonder if it was some sort of message being conveyed to like minded others

Thinking about it the post is more than likely just coincidence although on the grand scale of things I deffo will not rule out that there hasn’t been some sort of possible involvement by some sort of secret society

After my usual exercise class yesterday, I was chatting to someone who had heard that The Lord Lyon King of Arms (the national heraldic authority for Scotland and Scots abroad) had given an excellent talk on heraldry and coats of arms to a local group. She wondered if a society I'm a member of would be interested in him as a future speaker. I could remember a few things about him, e.g. his name and some of the positions he held, so decided to google for more information.

He's very much a 'man o' pairts' in that he's a member of the Faculty of Advocates and also has the title The Rev. Canon Dr. Joseph J. Morrow.
He is also the Grand Master of the Grand Lodge of Antient Free and Accepted Masons of Scotland. This is perhaps nothing about nothing, but I thought that the latest piece of news about him could be interesting to you all.

" The Grand Master Mason, Brother Dr. Joseph J. Morrow, has resigned, for personal reasons. Dr. Morrow, currently on holiday abroad, has decided to withdraw from all of his commitments to the Scottish Craft. (Resignation 17th Sept. 2024).

- From the website of The Grand Lodge of Ancient Free and Accepted Masons of Scotland.

Is this an innocent man who is disassociating himself from the BIG Ms? Has trouble been brewing since the release of Bernt's book?

by **Ladyinred** 01.10.24 11:13

It's obvious to me that he is one of the golden nuggets, finally exposed!

by Clishmaclaver 01.10.24 12:04

Ladyinred wrote:It's obvious to me that he is one of the golden nuggets, finally exposed!

No, I don't think so .... and we should be careful here.

by **CaKeLoveR** 01.10.24 12:19

I don' think it is.

by **Ladyinred** 01.10.24 12:31

Clishmaclaver wrote:
Ladyinred wrote:It's obvious to me that he is one of the golden nuggets, finally exposed!

No, I don't think so .... and we should be careful here.

Careful about what? I was joking!

by **Nina** 01.10.24 12:59

Clishmaclaver wrote:
pinkgladioli wrote:I initially thought WOW as well, especially the date it was posted as it was just before Bernt’s interview,
It made me wonder if it was some sort of message being conveyed to like minded others

Thinking about it the post is more than likely just coincidence although on the grand scale of things I deffo will not rule out that there hasn’t been some sort of possible involvement by some sort of secret society

After my usual exercise class yesterday, I was chatting to someone who had heard that The Lord Lyon King of Arms (the national heraldic authority for Scotland and Scots abroad) had given an excellent talk on heraldry and coats of arms to a local group. She wondered if a society I'm a member of would be interested in him as a future speaker. I could remember a few things about him, e.g. his name and some of the positions he held, so decided to google for more information.

He's very much a 'man o' pairts' in that he's a member of the Faculty of Advocates and also has the title The Rev. Canon Dr. Joseph J. Morrow.
He is also the Grand Master of the Grand Lodge of Antient Free and Accepted Masons of Scotland. This is perhaps nothing about nothing, but I thought that the latest piece of news about him could be interesting to you all.

" The Grand Master Mason, Brother Dr. Joseph J. Morrow, has resigned, for personal reasons. Dr. Morrow, currently on holiday abroad, has decided to withdraw from all of his commitments to the Scottish Craft. (Resignation 17th Sept. 2024).

- From the website of The Grand Lodge of Ancient Free and Accepted Masons of Scotland.

Is this an innocent man who is disassociating himself from the BIG Ms? Has trouble been brewing since the release of Bernt's book?

He has resigned before, bottom comment on the next post.

by **Nina** 01.10.24 13:01

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by **CaKeLoveR** 01.10.24 13:10

If the comments are accurate, it seems rather murky.

by Clishmaclaver 01.10.24 13:25

Ladyinred wrote:
Clishmaclaver wrote:
Ladyinred wrote:It's obvious to me that he is one of the golden nuggets, finally exposed!

No, I don't think so .... and we should be careful here.
Careful about what? I was joking!

I thought you were serious and was almost out in a sweat! For various reasons I'll not go into, he will not be a Nugget, I'm sure.

by pinkgladioli 01.10.24 13:34

You’ve got me really intrigued Clishmaclaver but I’ll not ask

by Clishmaclaver 01.10.24 13:56

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Yes, Nina, I read that article. He stepped down in 2005 after less than a year in the same position, and before the Oct. AGM. Apparently, it was due to changing personal circumstances and health reasons.

To quote the poster 'Anonymous' in Freemasons for Dummies - Masonic News, Wed. Sept. 18th, 2024:

"I've heard GL of S is a toxic place to work. The GM (not our Gerry, by the way) is very much a figurehead; the true power lies very much in an adjacent office room".

For various reasons that I'll not go into, I don't think that the Grand Master had anything to do with the shenanigans of May, 2007.

However, what can be said of London and Portugal connections?

by pinkgladioli 01.10.24 14:38

Do you mean Scottish London Portugal connections ?

by Clishmaclaver 01.10.24 15:23

pinkgladioli wrote:Do you mean Scottish London Portugal connections ?

To some extent, I suppose. My feeling is that Scotland, per se, isn't really involved. If so, it's only indirectly. Read Bernt's book carefully, and you'll see what I mean.

However, that brings me on to something else that I've been meaning to ask the forum about, and it's in relation to the pictures and accompanying words down the right-hand side of the forum.

TOP PICTURE: Outside No. 10, we see Tony Blaaah, Gordie and ? Is it Bush? I don't watch T.V. so I'm a bit ignorant about people and politics, unfortunately.

QUESTION: Who is Manual Catriano?

What is the significance of "This story did not begin in the Ocean Club resort, but in London where the official truth was conspired and established: an English girl was kidnapped in the Algarve"?

Are we back to PeterMac's 'Fat Controller', etc?

by **AnneCGuedes** 02.10.24 0:38

Manual Catriano is Manuel Catarino. He wrote "A Culpa dos McCann" (the guilt of the McCanns)

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by Clishmaclaver 02.10.24 8:45

AnneCGuedes wrote:Manual Catriano is Manuel Catarino. He wrote "A Culpa dos McCann" (the guilt of the McCanns)

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Thanks for that, Anne. There's an error with the spelling, so no wonder I didn't manage to find out about him!
I take it that you have read the book. What do you think of it?

by **AnneCGuedes** 03.10.24 17:15

Clishmaclaver wrote:
AnneCGuedes wrote:Manual Catriano is Manuel Catarino. He wrote "A Culpa dos McCann" (the guilt of the McCanns)

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Thanks for that, Anne. There's an error with the spelling, so no wonder I didn't manage to find out about him!
I take it that you have read the book. What do you think of it?

I didn't read it, just had a look. Manuel Catarino is a journalist and Francisco Moita Flores was a PJ guy (I liked the fact that, when he entered the courtroom, he greeted the audience as justice is done in the name of the public). The book includes an interview with Portuguese criminologist José Manuel Anes but suffers from a large number of inaccuracies (including the preface). It does, however, have the merit of pointing out that, despite the MC certainty of the abduction, the police were called very late (and not by them !).

by Justice for Maddie 02.11.24 10:03

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I wouldn't be surprised if drugs were involved (he had large pupils). That would also explain his strange behavior.

by **Nina** 02.11.24 11:14

Justice for Maddie wrote:[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

I wouldn't be surprised if drugs were involved (he had large pupils). That would also explain his strange behavior.

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