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The Mystery of the Make-Up Photo - was it taken on the same day as the Last Photo?

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The Mystery of the Make-Up Photo - was it taken on the same day as the Last Photo?

Post by Tony Bennett on 29.06.16 15:35

This photograph of Madeleine McCann, the so-called ‘Make-Up Photo’, has probably caused more debate than any other, except the so-called ‘Last Photo’.

The Make-Up Photo

The Last Photo


There is no serious doubt that each is a genuine photo. But there is a vital common question in relation to both photos, namely: when was each taken?

So far as the ‘Last Photo’ is concerned, very strong evidence, but not amounting  to proof, has been presented on CMOMM that the Last Photo was taken at lunchtime on Sunday 29 April and not lunchtime on Thursday 3 May.

The photo I really want is to discuss again is the ‘Make-Up Photo’. And I will get straight to the point: could the Make-Up Photo have been taken on the same day as the Last Photo? Was it taken in Praia da Luz that week?

A REMINDER OF THE KEY POINTS ABOUT THE MAKE-UP PHOTO:



When did it first appear?

It was a still picture included in this very strange 2-minute video produced by Madeleine’s godfather, Jon Corner, and released on 1 May 2010:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghIWyEdEB00

It was presumably distributed with the knowledge and consent of the McCanns. There is no commentary on the video. There is an emotional background song running throughout. Its images emphasise the abduction story and show images of Kate and Gerry campaigning, researching, talking to people and walking about, Kate clutching Cuddle Cat.

It has been said that the video was made as some kind of ‘warning’. Others note the strange way that the words shown on the screen are alternateiy fashioned by coming together, or break apart, and see some kind of hidden message in all of this. I am personally unable to see these things.   

What other pictures of Madeleine are shown on this video?

The Make-Up Photo is the second of three images shown in close-up on the video. The three pictures are:

1 ‘Floorboard Photo’ – Madeleine on a floor, next to the skirting board, looking up coyly to the cameraman – seen from 1 min 01 sec to 1 min 14 sec on the film (13 seconds)

Floorboard Photo


2 ‘Make-Up Photo’ – seen from 1 min 14 sec to 1 min 19 sec (5 seconds)

3 ‘Ice Lolly Photo’ – Madeleine sucking an ice-lolly: 1 min 19 sec to 1 mon 23 sec (4 seconds).    

 Ice Lolly Photo


Is Madeleine wearing a hair bead on any of the photos?

Yes. On the Make-Up Photo and on the Ice Lolly Photo. Madeleine is also wearing a hair bead on the Last Photo. On all three photos the hair bead looks a similar colour i.e. pink.

Can Madeleine’s clothing be seen on any of the photos?

Yes. On the Floorboard Photo. She is wearing a pink dress or smock with narrow pink straps over her shoulders. This looks identical to the pink dress or smock she is wearing on the Last Photo.

Are there any clues as to the location of any of the three photos?

The Floorboard Photo was taken inside. The Make-Up Photo was taken outside and shows a background stucco wall, coloured yellow/ochre. Stucco walls of this kind are extremely common in the Mediterranean but unusual in  the U.K. The blue patch has been identified by some as a bright blue coloured plastic chair. The Ice Lolly Photo was taken inside and one can see what looks like indoor furniture in the background.    

At what age were these three pictures taken?

Most of those who have viewed these three pictures and the Last Photo agree that they were taken at about the same age.

Does Madeleine’s hair length look any different on these photos?

Most agree that on all four photos, including the Last Photo, Madeleine’s hair looks the same length.

How did the McCann explain the Make-Up Photo?

They said that Madeleine had been playing with Mummy’s make-up box. On the same day that the video was released, Daily Mail journalist Daniel Bates wrote: “Kate and Gerry McCann have released a new picture of their daughter Madeleine as they prepare to commemorate tomorrow’s third anniversary of her disappearance. The photo shows her when she was three after a raid on the dressing-up box. She has a pink bow in her hair and a gold bead necklace and is wearing blue eyeshadow. It was taken weeks before the fateful family holiday to the Portuguese resort of Praia da Luz when Madeleine vanished”.

The story of the ‘raid on the dressing-box has been queried by many. The key concerns have been: who put the necklace in Madeleine, who out the hair bead on Madeleine, and could Madeleine have applied the neat-looking blue eyeshadow herself?

The McCanns have not revealed the date and time stamp of any of the photos (except the Last Photo).

What was the public reaction to the Make-Up Photo?

Many people were concerned se about it. A list of reactions is posted in CMOMM here: https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t1912-60-reasons-why-the-mccanns-should-never-have-published-that-photo

Mark Williams-Thomas, the self-proclaimed child abuse expert, said it should not have been released. Perhaps, more significantly, an article in The Independent said this about it:
http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/com.... d-1961380.html


“People these days are increasingly protective of practically ANY image of children, parents are forbidden from taking photographs at school plays, photos in which children are visible in background shots at tourist attractions have been confiscated etc. Practically any image of a child is seen as being of interest to those with paedophile tendencies. I don't claim to understand why this is the case, but that's the way that things appear to be.

“In my view, which is of course completely out of step with the mainstream thinking on these issues, a child wearing make-up, or adult clothes certainly does not in itself constitute a pornographic or inappropriate image. However, if a fully clothed child standing in a street can be considered material of interest for a paedophile, then photographs of this nature should certainly fall within the same category. I am male, and like practically every other male that I have socialised with since from the age of about 6, to a greater or lesser we have all been exposed to pornography. I'm not great fan of pornography, nor have I been exposed to a great deal, but I could certainly give you a pretty good description of the stereotypical images that the producers of this product tend to use. It's a definite genre, with a definite style, camera angles, lighting, model poses etc.

I know what picture of a child playing looks like, my parents have albums of pictures of my sister as a child playing with make-up, dressing up. I also understand when I'm seeing the deliberate sexualisation of a child. I also know which end of that spectrum that those images lie.

I've previously critisised people for expressing these sorts of views, but when you see the three Madeleine pictures in that video in close succession you start asking: what's the probability that this is just some sort of accidental pose? I really don't like the answer.

I'm not a photographer, nor a film maker, nor actively involved in the media, and so if I can pick up on these references, then Jon Corner [who produced the latest Madeleine video] most certainly can”.


 

QUESTIONS FOR DISCUSSION

A working hypothesis is that the Last Photo was taken at lunch-time on Sunday 29 April and that the other three were taken at a photo shoot that afternoon, with someone arranging and re-arranging the position of Madeleine’s hear bead.

These are the questions that seem to me most relevant:

1 Is the dress/smock top that Madeleine is wearing in the Floorboard Phot the same as the one in the Last Photo?

2 Is the hair bead the same in the three photos where it appears?

3 Is Madeleine’s hair length the same in all four photos?

4 Does she look the same age in all the photos?

5 Do we have any other evidence (apart from the McCanns’ statement) of when the Make-Up photo was taken?

6 Could Madeleine have put on the necklace and hair bead and applied the blue eye shadow herself?

7 What evidence is there, if any, that any of the three photos could not have been taken on the very same day as the Last Photo?

8 Do we have any other photographic or other evidence of when any of these three photos were taken?  

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Post by worriedmum on 29.06.16 15:51



Tony, I think these dresses are the same.

They are not the same as the smock in the 'Last Photo' though.
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Post by Tony Bennett on 29.06.16 16:01

@worriedmum wrote:

Tony, I think these dresses are the same.

They are not the same as the smock in the 'Last Photo' though.

VERY IMPORTANT BEFORE WE GO ANY FURTHER:

Please not that the 'Ice Cream Photo' that you have published in your post @worriedmum is NOT the same picture as the ICE LOLLY picture which appears in Jon Corner's film.

The Ice Cream photo you have published is a crude photoshopping job where someone, for whatever reason, as added a large ice cream cine and a chopped-off arm to make it look like Madeleine is eating an ice cream.

THIS, repeat THIS, is the screen grab from Corner's peculiar film:

 


You may be right about Madeleine wearing the same dress/top in the Floorboard and Ice Lolly photos.

That may suggest that those two photos at least were taken during the same photo session.



@ joyce1938      Your posts have been removed as it is clear that a hair bead (or similar) can be seen in each of the four pictures, apart from the Floorboard Photo.  Please also take the trouble to make your meanings clear so we can all properly understand whatever point it is that you are trying to make, many thanks    -    Moderator

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Post by kaz on 29.06.16 16:05

There was certainly opportunity on Monday afternoon when Kate McCann took Madeleine out of the crèche less than half an hour after depositing her there. The twins ( according to the crèche records) were left in their crèche . I know you can say that Kate made a mistake with the time but why should she ? This is a doctor and written accuracy is essential. ( I'm thinking prescriptions here.) Just a thought.

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Post by inspirespirit on 29.06.16 16:15

The skirting board looks like skirting board we have in this Country.   The stucco walls (or whatever they are called) are quite common in Scotland.   I didn't realise that someone had photoshopped that ice cream cone onto Madeleine.   Why on earth have they done that.  They have made it look something it isn't.
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Post by joyce1938 on 29.06.16 16:26

Hallo, I am not trying to be awkward about this ,now you have told me it is either plait  or similar ,I can agree it could be a small slide on 2 photos  may be a hairslide ?one is very obviously plait on the pool photo ,on the others looks in one as if hair is swept up at the side and held by maybe a hairslide ? looks so short to be end of plaite.  Don't think its a big problem really ,we all see what we see,its not always easy . Not trying to influence anyone else .joyce1938.
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Post by inspirespirit on 29.06.16 16:36

Her hair looks a lot longer in the floorboard photo.  Looks like it hangs down her torso.  Looks longer on the lolly photo as well.   Think the make up one could be the same length though and has the bead.
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Post by Angelique on 29.06.16 16:47

I am inclined to think the lollipop/ice-cream cone photo is definitely photo shopped. I know my opinion will probably upset people but this is the reason why I think the LP is photo shopped as well (but I accept that the discussion regarding that photo is well and truly over a not for this thread anyway).

My thoughts are - if they will photo shop one photo they will do the same on others. 

The photo on the balcony is doubtful to my mind. It's something about the "neck" area. Also Madeleine in this photo looks older than the Last Photo picture of Madeleine to my eyes - but how can that be?

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Post by kaz on 29.06.16 17:07

In the 'make up' photo and the 'last ' photo the beads are on the same side of the head but in different positions. They even seem different beads to me but I could be wrong. In the 'ice lolly' photo the bead is on a different side. I know from experience how difficult these beads are to remove from a child's hair and my question is, knowing what a palaver these beads can be,  why would they bother to change their positions on the same day ?  It neither adds or detracts from the overall picture. No way was that eye shadow applied by a three/four year old child . The necklace could be one you stretch to put over the head in which case I would have expected to see her hair tangled up in it. My belief is that someone helped to make it a pretty picture....................such a strange abnormal 'pose' for a child.

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Post by Tony Bennett on 29.06.16 17:13

@Angelique wrote:I am inclined to think the lollipop/ice-cream cone photo is definitely photo shopped. I know my opinion will probably upset people but this is the reason why I think the LP is photo shopped as well (but I accept that the discussion regarding that photo is well and truly over a not for this thread anyway).

My thoughts are - if they will photo shop one photo they will do the same on others. 
I am afraid you have misunderstood.

There are two separate photos:

1. The Ice Lolly Photo (no ice cream)

2. The Ice Cream Photo.

The Ice Lolly photo appears genuine - there is no reason to think otherwise.

The Ice Cream photo is a very bad photoshop - NOT done by the McCanns - but by some other idiot, goodness knows why.

I hope that clears it up

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Post by Tony Bennett on 29.06.16 17:18

@kaz wrote:In the 'make up' photo and the 'last ' photo the beads are on the same side of the head but in different positions. They even seem different beads to me but I could be wrong. In the 'ice lolly' photo the bead is on a different side. I know from experience how difficult these beads are to remove from a child's hair and my question is, knowing what a palaver these beads can be,  why would they bother to change their positions on the same day ?  It neither adds or detracts from the overall picture.
Yes, I understand - however, how do we know which way round any of the photos were taken originally?

The Make-Up Photo has appeared both ways on many occasions - on the right, or on the left.



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Post by Tony Bennett on 29.06.16 17:23

What is the blue shape...

bottom right of the Last Photo?



and top left of the faked Ice Cream Photo  



Could it be the same object? - they are of very similar colour

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Post by Angelique on 29.06.16 17:26

Tony

Right I didn't realise what you have explained.

But the Make-Up picture on the balcony still looks like an "older child" as compared to the Last Photo picture IMO.

If you can imagine her not looking at the angle she is and compare the Last Photo where she seems that she is more in the "puppy fat" stage IYSWIM.

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Post by Mirage on 29.06.16 17:55

@Angelique wrote:Tony

Right I didn't realise what you have explained.

But the Make-Up picture on the balcony still looks like an "older child" as compared to the Last Photo picture IMO.

If you can imagine her not looking at the angle she is and compare the Last Photo where she seems that she is more in the "puppy fat" stage IYSWIM.
That is my instinct too, Angelique. However, because the head is tilted back a fair way I have wondered if gravity flattened out the effect of puppy fat a bit.

ETA. No. Scrub round the flattening effect because of the skirting board picture. I go with the make up picture being an older Madeleine than the ice lolly or skirting board photos.

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Post by MayMuse on 29.06.16 18:23

http://youtu.be/EOb9RmIcci0

Reading with interest and may comment later on the "photos" 
Jon Corners production of the 2010 video appeal was always a "strange" one.
He is also part of Media City UK "The Landing" and talks ( promotes) passionately on the above video which some may find of interest. 

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Post by Mirage on 29.06.16 18:27

I was trying to do a bit of research because I have a recollection of a professional photographer coming to Rothley to take photos of Madeleine. The skirting board one anyway. The name of the photographer was mentioned somewhere. It may be on a thread here but I do not have time at present.

Whilst ferreting around I came across a Joana Morais blog from 2010. The comments are very interesting and a reminder of the outcry at the time of the release of these photographs. One commenter mentioned the professional photographer coming to Rothley in the weeks prior to PdL which chimed with my memory. Also, someone else raised the issue of Madeleine's WOC status and wonders whether Lady Justice Hogg would have had her permission sought for the release of what were to become very controversial photographs. 

 http://joana-morais.blogspot.co.uk/2010/05/mccanns-release-madeleines-lolita-photo.html

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Post by MayMuse on 29.06.16 18:32

@Mirage wrote:I was trying to do a bit of research because I have a recollection of a professional photographer coming to Rothley to take photos of Madeleine. The skirting board one anyway. The name of the photographer was mentioned somewhere. It may be on a thread here but I do not have time at present.

Whilst ferreting around I came across a Joana Morais blog from 2010. The comments are very interesting and a reminder of the outcry at the time of the release of these photographs. One commenter mentioned the professional photographer coming to Rothley in the weeks prior to PdL which chimed with my memory. Also, someone else raised the issue of Madeleine's WOC status and wonders whether Lady Justice Hogg would have had her permission sought for the release of what were to become very controversial photographs. 

 http://joana-morais.blogspot.co.uk/2010/05/mccanns-release-madeleines-lolita-photo.html
The photographer is Paul Grover who I think denied taking them, however his "name" is stamped on the front of the photo particularly the "skirting board " one. He has a website and has worked for the Daily Telegraph I think ? Or was it the mail, I forget but information can be sourced.

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Post by Mirage on 29.06.16 18:36

@MayMuse wrote:
@Mirage wrote:I was trying to do a bit of research because I have a recollection of a professional photographer coming to Rothley to take photos of Madeleine. The skirting board one anyway. The name of the photographer was mentioned somewhere. It may be on a thread here but I do not have time at present.

Whilst ferreting around I came across a Joana Morais blog from 2010. The comments are very interesting and a reminder of the outcry at the time of the release of these photographs. One commenter mentioned the professional photographer coming to Rothley in the weeks prior to PdL which chimed with my memory. Also, someone else raised the issue of Madeleine's WOC status and wonders whether Lady Justice Hogg would have had her permission sought for the release of what were to become very controversial photographs. 

 http://joana-morais.blogspot.co.uk/2010/05/mccanns-release-madeleines-lolita-photo.html
The photographer is Paul Grover who I think denied taking them, however his "name" is stamped on the front of the photo particularly the "skirting board " one. He has a website and has worked for the Daily Telegraph I think ? Or was it the mail, I forget but information can be sourced.
Thank you, MayMuse. I had Gove on the brain so I wasn't a million miles away! Just a crossed wire or two. I remember his name being on that one for sure. Now why the denial? Unless he is saying someone transposed his name onto someone else's work! How likely is that? Hmm.

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Post by MayMuse on 29.06.16 18:44

From observation, I believe that the make up,photo and the ice lolly photo look about the same time taken purely because her hair looks to be of a similar length,longer than the last photo. 
The make up photo does look slightly older and think this is because of the applied "paint" and her gaze which gives me shivers. What is astutely obvious is the lack of joy or excitement in the make up photo which can be seen clearly in the others. 
I also have concerns at what appears to be darker bluish purple pigment on her neck and under her eye towards the cheek, is this "bruising" or just "fallout" from the eyeshadow? 
The skirting board photo appears a younger, happier Madeleine, but think that her hair looks about the same length as the other photos; the last photo shows a shorter hairstyle.

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Post by inspirespirit on 29.06.16 19:10

Madeleine's lips look really red here as they do on the lolly photo.   Maybe she was sucking a red lollipop and this pool is the blue you can see in the background of the lolly photo, taken on the same day ?
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Post by Roxyroo on 29.06.16 19:24

What a great post Tony! Only thing I have to dsagree about is the hair bead. In the last photo if looks to me like a "bobble" / pink elastic band. In the other photos it looks to me to be hair clips/slides, one a purple/ violet colour, another pink
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Post by MayMuse on 29.06.16 19:26

How does it make me feel?
Sickened to the core, an understatement!
Exploitation of their own daughter even if these are "innocent " photos, why would any parent release them to the public when they considered that their daughter had been snatched by a paedophile? 
More like an "advertisement"
IMO

Feel so very sorry for Madeleine.

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Re: The Mystery of the Make-Up Photo - was it taken on the same day as the Last Photo?

Post by inspirespirit on 29.06.16 19:32


Surely that page is incorrect if it is saying that the parent's are distributing those photographs all over the world.   The ice cream photograph wasn't released by the parents.   It was photoshopped after it's release purposely to look exactly the way people are seeing it.
I don't like any of the photographs but I think it is wrong to say the parent's have released that particular photograph as it is seen with that ice cream cone when they clearly haven't.
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Re: The Mystery of the Make-Up Photo - was it taken on the same day as the Last Photo?

Post by Roxyroo on 29.06.16 19:41

@MayMuse wrote:http://youtu.be/EOb9RmIcci0

Reading with interest and may comment later on the "photos" 
Jon Corners production of the 2010 video appeal was always a "strange" one.
He is also part of Media City UK "The Landing" and talks ( promotes) passionately on the above video which some may find of interest. 

Admin please remove or move if not appropriate.



Thanku so much for posting this link, as it led me on to a video of the McCann's I have never seen before, laughing and joking away, and Kate revises her version of events yet again!

http://youtu.be/hB8r3XIk4XM
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