Re: Bernt Stellander interview

by **PeterMac** Yesterday at 10:35

crusader wrote:I'm sure I read somewhere that after the bath, they would take the children to the playground area.
I always thought that to be unlikely because they would get filthy.

And elsewhere she says that AFTER cleaning teeth etc they had a drink and a biscuit.
None of it make any sense

by **crusader** Yesterday at 10:42

I'm sure both Kate and Gerry say specific things to mislead.
There was no point in mentioning the tea stained pyjamas unless it was to mislead, same goes for the crying incident asking why they didn't come when Madeleine and Sean cried.

by **BerntS** Yesterday at 11:20

The insane Pajamas photo on back of the sofa was to "pro actively" having an explanation ready of how her DNA could be on back of the sofa, as it's about impossible to clean the splatter off such material.
They could just say it must be transfer of DNA from placing it on back of the sofa for that photo to be taken.

That insane photo tells the whole story, actually.

by **crusader** Yesterday at 11:40

The pyjama photo was supposedly taken by a professional photographer who's name I've forgotten now, but could find if needed.
Edit
It was Luis Forra who took the photographs on 5th May.

by **Nina** Yesterday at 12:40

crusader wrote:The pyjama photo was supposedly taken by a professional photographer who's name I've forgotten now, but could find if needed.
Edit
It was Luis Forra who took the photographs on 5th May

So were they plus a photographer allowed back into apartment 5A to take photographs or was it another sofa in another apartment? Often in these holiday lets the furniture is the same or very similar.

by **crusader** Yesterday at 12:57

It's never been proved that the photo was taken inside 5a on the blue sofa.
There is a theory that the McCann's took the photo and gave it to the press association, but Louis Forra said he took it, but we don't know where that was.

by **Ladyinred** Yesterday at 13:03

https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t16107-dr-martin-roberts-if-madeleine-s-pyjamas-had-not-in-fact-been-abducted-then-neither-had-madeleine-mccann?highlight=Pyjamas

I was reading this earlier. Suggests Kate took the photo.

by **BerntS** Yesterday at 13:13

Forra took different photos in Portimao.
It's a deliberate confusion constructed by Clarrie.

by Clishmaclaver Yesterday at 13:50

BerntS wrote:Forra took different photos in Portimao.
It's a deliberate confusion constructed by Clarrie.

I could be wrong here, but I think I read something a few years ago about the photo having been taken at Portimao Police Station. Would Clarrie have put Forra up to taking the photo just to muddy the waters?

by **crusader** Yesterday at 14:01

We can't say Forra is lying, why would he, what has he to gain?
The question is, if the PJ didn't ask Forra to take the photo, who did, Mitchel was not on the scene at that point.

by **Silentscope** Yesterday at 16:33

I came across a Post from Isabelle McFadden where she had a Twitter conversation with the actual Photographer. He claims to have taken the Pyjama photo in the Police Station, and that any discussion that the McCanns took the Pyjama photo is false.

I will see if I can find it later on, and put it up for discussion.

by **Ladyinred** Yesterday at 16:49

https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t12555p450-dr-martin-roberts-a-nightwear-job

Silentscope - I have found it on this thread.

by **AnneCGuedes** Today at 0:47

PeterMac wrote:If you were going away for one week, would you pack TWO pairs of pyjamas for each of your Three children ?
And if Madeleine has a long sleeved AND a short sleeved pair, which would it be necessary to Wash one because it had a drop of tea (?) on it. Vomit yes, Fae***. yes, but TEA ?

This is another part of the Story they didn't rehearse properly, like the point at which Kate said
"These are the ACTUAL pyjamas she was wearing - when she. . . . Oh bugger, what have I just said ?"

K remarked that M had not tea the evening before. Remember she suggested that there was a kidnapping rehearsal the night before (May 2nd) that would explain the crying episode.

by **AnneCGuedes** Today at 0:52

crusader wrote:
If Kate had washed Madeleine's pyjama top and put it out to dry, I'm not convinced it would be dry enough for her to wear that same night, the weather wasn't warm enough to fully dry washing in my opinion.

Everything (coming from a washing machine) gets dry in a couple of hours in South of PT, even when it rains... if it's windy.

by Spring123 Today at 12:38

Thanks for adding me! I'm currently reading Bernt Stellanders book

by **Nina** Today at 12:59

Spring123 wrote:Thanks for adding me! I'm currently reading Bernt Stellanders book

Spring123.

by **CaKeLoveR** Today at 13:07

That's a good start, Spring123. thumbsup

Welcome to the forum.

by **crusader** Today at 13:13

Welcome Spring 123. welcome2

by GreenTara Today at 14:36

AnneCGuedes wrote:

crusader wrote:
If Kate had washed Madeleine's pyjama top and put it out to dry, I'm not convinced it would be dry enough for her to wear that same night, the weather wasn't warm enough to fully dry washing in my opinion.

Everything (coming from a washing machine) gets dry in a couple of hours in South of PT, even when it rains... if it's windy.

…except they were washed by hand, so…

by **PeterMac** Today at 15:28

AnneCGuedes wrote:
K remarked that M had not tea the evening before. Remember she suggested that there was a kidnapping rehearsal the night before (May 2nd) that would explain the crying episode.

Well quite.

She had not had tea because she was already dead.
The "rehearsal", was in fact the real thing which was played out into the early hours of Thursday 3rd.
The crying was Kate crying "Maddie, Maddie' as she cuddled the body to her check pants and T shirt before Gerry forced her
to hand the body over for temporary hiding.
Kate tried not to, but was dealt with "Robustly" as the bruises on her arms demonstrate.

And all the rest of the story was poorly thought through backfitting, - hitting out at furniture, not knowing where the bruises had come from

Every police officer has seen it dozens of times "I walked into a door, I fell over, the airing cupboard door caught me in the face . . ."
to explain away a black eye or bruised cheek, split lip or bloody nose . . . Which of course it doesn't
The bilateral upper arm contusions we see in the photos are classic retraining injuries caused by a MAN gripping HARD and probably shaking a smaller and weaker woman.

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