Re: BRICK Reviews

by Guest 04.11.24 21:24

Anne.
It's called having two thoughts in the head at the same time.
When you get through the book, you might understand when and how those two quotes by Kate apply.
Please stop communicating with me.
I want nothing to do with you.

by **Jill Havern** 04.11.24 21:42

I'm just going to move these last few posts to the Brick review thread as they're not about CB.

by JB2025 05.11.24 9:13

It's seemingly quite clear.to me that imho without Bernt's action a man innocent of this (particular) crime would have been charged and then subsequently there would be no more discussion on the case anyhow. It would have been "job done". Let's all hope the £190K given recently to Operation Grange is the amount they have estimated they need to wrap up, get their own records in order, reflecting something for £13.2 M. Certainly, the funds look like they are tapering off year on year and with no evidence to press charges they possibly must be nearing a postion where they need to start the wrap up, perhaps a.different one to the one originally planned.

by pinkgladioli 05.11.24 9:23

The timing in 2020 of let’s nail a patsy, could it be linked in anyway to operation Brick on the hill?
With the cryptic emails sent to the McC were they that spooked that there was a need for them to up the anty?

by GreenTara 05.11.24 9:32

Good point pinkgladioli. I wonder? Interested to see what others make of this….

by pinkgladioli 05.11.24 9:52

I’d be interested to know if anyone else has pondered the idea, I will say I’m not up to scratch in all info surrounding the case of CB

by **Silentscope** 05.11.24 9:54

Coincidences.

1. Weeks before the CB Story was broken, Gerry's Mother died of/with C19.

2. Athough the BKA had been investigating the Case and called CB as a Witness in Nov 17, NOTHING was Reported beforehand.

3. The McCanns Libel Case was due to be heard in the ECHR Sept 2022.
https://hudoc.echr.coe.int/fre#{%22sort%22:[%22kpdate%20Descending%22],%22itemid%22:[%22002-13798%22]}

4. Helge B first contacted Op Grange in 2014, why did they do NOTHING until the Timing was right for them?

Any more 'Coincidences'?

by pinkgladioli 05.11.24 9:57

Thanks Silentscope. Interesting!

by **CaKeLoveR** 05.11.24 10:15

I have wondered if, given the size and duration of the cover up, the McCann's have had a handler, or go-between. They didn't choose Bruckner to be a patsy; that would have to be done by intelligence, or the police, or another agency. Op. Grange, perhaps. A go-between would have to keep the McCann's up to date, in case they acted or spoke out of turn. Or, maybe fame hungry prosecutor Wolters picked Bruckner, who is a convicted sex offender, to make a name for himself. Whatever it is that's being protected, is too big to allow the McCann's to go it alone. Maybe Bernt has some thoughts on this. My imagination might be running riot, of course.

by pinkgladioli 05.11.24 10:36

CaKeLoveR wrote:I have wondered if, given the size and duration of the cover up, the McCann's have had a handler, or go-between. They didn't choose Bruckner to be a patsy; that would have to be done by intelligence, or the police, or another agency. Op. Grange, perhaps. A go-between would have to keep the McCann's up to date, in case they acted or spoke out of turn. Or, maybe fame hungry prosecutor Wolters picked Bruckner, who is a convicted sex offender, to make a name for himself. Whatever it is that's being protected, is too big to allow the McCann's to go it alone. Maybe Bernt has some thoughts on this. My imagination might be running riot, of course.

When I mentioned the McC’s upping the anty, I should have said along with whatever network is potentially aiding them

by **CaKeLoveR** 05.11.24 11:09

Op. Grange looks likely, doesn't it - out in the open as investigating what became of Madeleine.

by **Silentscope** 05.11.24 11:58

PeterMac's letter to Operation Grange reference Bernt's Book is worth a read in Case anyone missed it.

https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t17561-letter-from-petermac-to-operation-grange-dated-6th-may-re-bernt-stellander-the-foreign-detective-s-new-book-the-sudden-impulse#493307

by Flossy 05.11.24 21:18

I’m now about 40% through the book and currently reading the chapter on “Kate’s Time Machine.” I’m particularly enjoying how the book blends extensive research with theory and logical reasoning in a compelling way. One question that keeps coming up as I read—and I hope I’ll find the answer as I continue—is this: why fabricate a scenario on May 3rd that includes childcare? If Bernt’s theory is correct and Maddie had already passed by that point, taking the risky step of falsifying daycare seems puzzling. This approach would involve getting the nannies on board, possibly falsifying records, and risking what other parents or children might say. The simplest, lowest-risk plan would have been to say they spent time together as a family. Just some thoughts from the chapters I’ve read so far.

by GreenTara 05.11.24 21:26

Flossy wrote:I’m now about 40% through the book and currently reading the chapter on “Kate’s Time Machine.” I’m particularly enjoying how the book blends extensive research with theory and logical reasoning in a compelling way. One question that keeps coming up as I read—and I hope I’ll find the answer as I continue—is this: why fabricate a scenario on May 3rd that includes childcare? If Bernt’s theory is correct and Maddie had already passed by that point, taking the risky step of falsifying daycare seems puzzling. This approach would involve getting the nannies on board, possibly falsifying records, and risking what other parents or children might say. The simplest, lowest-risk plan would have been to say they spent time together as a family. Just some thoughts from the chapters I’ve read so far.

I think it could be that they needed evidence of her being alive to come from outside of themselves. I’m loving reading what you are making of the book. Please keep us posted.

by Guest 05.11.24 23:00

Thanks Flossy.
Cat didn't lie for the McCanns May 6th and 10th. The Mark Warner Group's person in charge of security/reputation was there within 48 hours, I think.
She thought it was irrelevant if she pretended M was there, since she anyways was "taken" later that evening.
If she outed herself as the worst nanny in history, not being able to count to six, she would never ever work with children again. If she admitted she didn't tell anyone that one child was missing, it would have extremely big consequences for the MWG reputation!!!

She was very nervous and leaked that one child was missing, but didn't lie for the McCanns until April 2008,after having been primed at the mccs home in November 2007.

The group had decided to fake an abduction the next evening, so she had to be "alive" on May 3rd.
So creche records were easy to sign without the child present.
Dave lying about checking on Kate and the three angels, and last, messing with the date stamp on the Sunday lunch pool photo.
If Maddie was reported to not show up at the creche on the day she was "taken", the suspicion on the parents would be imminent. Then the timeline of the day before, would be of main focus for the PJ to sort out, and it would all fall apart.

Miss Pennington might have read for the kids as the creche plan shows, but she mixed up the days. She read during story time for the mixed groups on Wednesday, not Thursday.

by Flossy 09.11.24 8:31

Thank you Bernt for your reply; I certainly wasn’t expecting you to. I’m trying to reserve my questions for when I have finished your book. A few days after my post about the Nannie’s, I arrived at that chapter in your book. I’m getting the impression that the checking in and checking out procedures at the crèche maybe weren’t as robust as they should have been?

by Guest 09.11.24 9:38

Flossy.
Correct. People have put too much into those records.
No coincidence that Mr crisis management, Alex Woolfall, showed up so quickly. Imagine running their operation world wide, and they have nannies who can't count to six and taking kids on ocean adventures.

Cat changed her statement in 2008, from the kids being dropped off at the baby's club, to claiming Gerry dropping Maddie off. She likely wasn't there yet, as then there would be no need to drop them off at the baby's club.. I'm guessing Cat was late that morning, but that also needed to be covered up.
Cat messes up the time as well, even though she had almost a year to read the creche records. She was not comfortable with what she had gotten herself into.
Pat Brown pretending to be a profiler, couldn't even see the alternative explanation, but diminishes my theory on basis of the mccs having gotten Cat to lie for them a few days after the event. I never claimed that and nothing is further from the truth. I think the profiler has forgotten what's actually in the police statement cause she seems to make things up in her head or something. Again she proves she didn't read my book, but my point is that anyone with a working light bulb, would see what was a more plausible and totally reasonable explanation, that Cat held back information in May 2007 to save her own ass, and surely had "support" from Alex W, the crisis manager.
They even transfered her to Greece pretty quickly. And then I'm guessing the Gold steering group helped her move to the US.

by **Jill Havern** 12.11.24 7:02

BERNT STELLANDER & SOME THOUGHTS ON JANE TANNER

This is from three weeks ago.
I hadn't seen it, so not sure if it's already been posted here.

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