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Why were both Murat's and Gerry McCann's mobiles switched off for the SAME 32 hours on 2 and 3 May 2007?

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Why were both Murat's and Gerry McCann's mobiles switched off for the SAME 32 hours on 2 and 3 May 2007?

Post by Tony Bennett on 08.01.10 9:52

Here's a little-known fact that ought to be brought to greater public attention.

Robert Murat's mobile telephone was completely switched off from 3.44pm on Wednesday 2 May 2007.

Dr Gerald McCann's mobile telephone was completely switched off from 3.49pm on Wednesday 2 May 2007.

Dr Gerald McCann only switched on his mobile again at 11.14pm on Thursday 3 May.

Robert Murat only switched on his mobile again at 11.20pm on Thurdsay 3 May.


Both switched off their mobile phones almost simultaneously for a period pf 32 hours, including the moment that Madeleine McCann was reported missing..

There are quite a lot of people on here who are very familiar with the details of this case.

So what could explain this truly remarkable coincidence of timings?

P.S. Reporter to Dr Gerald McCann: "Did you know Robert Murat before 3 May 2007?"

Dr Gerald McCann: "I'm not going to comment on that".
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Re: Why were both Murat's and Gerry McCann's mobiles switched off for the SAME 32 hours on 2 and 3 May 2007?

Post by Ruby on 08.01.10 10:03

Well it could be coincidental, but what a coincidence big grin
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Re: Why were both Murat's and Gerry McCann's mobiles switched off for the SAME 32 hours on 2 and 3 May 2007?

Post by vaguely on 08.01.10 10:13

Is turning on and off registered - or is this times between which the phones received no signal?

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Re: Why were both Murat's and Gerry McCann's mobiles switched off for the SAME 32 hours on 2 and 3 May 2007?

Post by mark on 08.01.10 10:16

Mr Bennett,
Could you tell us the source of this information. Basically, is it true?

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Post by Tony Bennett on 08.01.10 10:19

mark wrote:Mr Bennett,
Could you tell us the source of this information. Basically, is it true?
http://themaddiecasefiles.com/topic5105.html
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Re: Why were both Murat's and Gerry McCann's mobiles switched off for the SAME 32 hours on 2 and 3 May 2007?

Post by Perelli on 08.01.10 10:26

Tony Bennett wrote:
mark wrote:Mr Bennett,
Could you tell us the source of this information. Basically, is it true?
http://themaddiecasefiles.com/topic5105.html

Sorry Mr. Bennett, Morais' forum is not a "source" - she has not got the technical expertise so where did SHE get the information from?

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Re: Why were both Murat's and Gerry McCann's mobiles switched off for the SAME 32 hours on 2 and 3 May 2007?

Post by Tony Bennett on 08.01.10 10:30

Perelli wrote:
Tony Bennett wrote:
mark wrote:Mr Bennett,
Could you tell us the source of this information. Basically, is it true?
http://themaddiecasefiles.com/topic5105.html

Sorry Mr. Bennett, Morais' forum is not a "source" Mr. Bennett - she has not got the technical expertise so where did SHE get the information from?
Look at that thread (it's not long) that I've directed you to and you'll get your answer. The information about DrGM's and RM's mobile telephones comes from the various telephone records held and released to the public by the PJ. The detailed sources are given within that thread.
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Post by vaguely on 08.01.10 10:31

have to join to read Sad

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Post by mark on 08.01.10 10:37

Mr Bennett, could you copy and paste the source, as until it is found to be reliable this thread has no credibility. I was under the impression that the phone records were not released to the pj.

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Post by vaguely on 08.01.10 10:40

that'd be handy. Especially for those of us who made a NYR not to join any more forums.

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Re: Why were both Murat's and Gerry McCann's mobiles switched off for the SAME 32 hours on 2 and 3 May 2007?

Post by DCB1 on 08.01.10 10:42

There is a lot of information about phone and texts here: http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/PJ/PHONE_TEXTS.htm

Scroll nearly down to the bottom and arbiter says this:

"This is where I think we are:

May 2nd
Gerry had his phone switched off all day until probably 15.50
Vodapone his phone receives the 12 SMS messages stacked up for him on the network.
The last one of those was a "2 hourly" Voicemail reminder of previous new voicemails.
The other 11 are "new voice mail" alerts.
Gerry was left 11 voicemail calls from between 08.07 to 13.59
Some of them only minutes apart e.g. 9.10 - 9.13 - 9.18
Gerry rang his Voicemail using 91121 at 15.50
He listened briefly for 11 seconds and ended the call
He switched his phone off
He still had Voicemail he hadn't listened to
He was sent more "2 hourly" reminders
He switched his phone on again at 20.14 and rang his voicemail on 91121
Again it was a short duration, but no more reminders were sent him after this
He must have deleted them

So I believe that Gerry was got 11 voicemail messages on the morning of 2nd May.

He said he got calls from work, but I don't think he ever said these were calls from work."

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Post by vaguely on 08.01.10 11:16

so does that mean they weren't off for the same 32 hours?

Also, does your phone register as off when the battery is flat and on again as soon as it's charged??

In relation to mobile phone records - certainly used to be the case that the owner of the phones consent made no difference to police obtaining them. The police still have to go through quite a lengthy procedure to get hold of the records. Not sure if this has changed.

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Re: Why were both Murat's and Gerry McCann's mobiles switched off for the SAME 32 hours on 2 and 3 May 2007?

Post by Perelli on 08.01.10 11:51

All the telephone activity is on Pamalam’s site.

According to the Ping Charts these are the times when the mobile phone belonging to Dr. Gerald McCann was activated on the 2nd May 2007:

Before 3.49.05 the phone was activated at 11 different times, then at

15.50.38
17.49.26
19.49.34
20.14.30

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3rd May

No activation until 12.24.40 then at
21.14.49
23.17.04
23.40.00
23.52.18

https://illiweb.com/fa/pbucket.gif

All of the activations took place in PDL, there are times when the phone was not activated but that doesn’t mean that it was “turned off” though, does it?

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Re: Why were both Murat's and Gerry McCann's mobiles switched off for the SAME 32 hours on 2 and 3 May 2007?

Post by vaguely on 08.01.10 12:06

I don't know. I'm sure 'turned off' probably encompasses more than someone physically turning their phone off.

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Post by noirtopic on 08.01.10 12:14

vaguely wrote:I don't know. I'm sure 'turned off' probably encompasses more than someone physically turning their phone off.

I would of thought it could, what do we know about the signal to mobiles around the MW complex? There could be areas where mobiles cant be used and everything will then automatically go to voice mail.

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Re: Why were both Murat's and Gerry McCann's mobiles switched off for the SAME 32 hours on 2 and 3 May 2007?

Post by vaguely on 08.01.10 12:20

Which is why it's both leading and difficult to take someone's phone records in isolation and either read things in to them, or write things off based on what little information there is.

I think that there were recommendations made about what needed to be checked out in relation to the phone records, and it appears that this has been done to no great conclusion.

People add their own thoughts and theories in to a lot of this stuff and now I'm not sure if the recommendations were made by a phone expert or a forum member. (on the link given by DCB)

I wish people would stop presenting things as 'fact' and adding their own spin on them. It makes evidence useless.

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Post by mark on 08.01.10 12:40

'So where is the proof to show the thread has any credibility?

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Post by WhatsinaName on 08.01.10 12:48

Do I get it right the phones weren't BOTH turned off for the same 32 hours?
What's the significance if they were?

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Post by vaguely on 08.01.10 12:51

No, I think from the records that GMs was turned back on.

Not certain.

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Post by noirtopic on 08.01.10 13:18

From the records GMs was switched back on.

We have no signal for Orange in our backroom and everything goes straight to voice mail. Also it depends on the network, some are better than others.

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Re: Why were both Murat's and Gerry McCann's mobiles switched off for the SAME 32 hours on 2 and 3 May 2007?

Post by vaguely on 08.01.10 13:26

Yes, same in our house - only get a signal on half the bottom floor - wifi and no signal in the toilet (!) wifi and signal on half middle floor, and signal only on top floor.

When I don't get a signal it goes through to voice mail and is a royal pain.

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Re: Why were both Murat's and Gerry McCann's mobiles switched off for the SAME 32 hours on 2 and 3 May 2007?

Post by DCB1 on 08.01.10 14:07

I am trying to work out what the significance of both phones being switched off would be?

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Re: Why were both Murat's and Gerry McCann's mobiles switched off for the SAME 32 hours on 2 and 3 May 2007?

Post by preciousramotswe on 08.01.10 14:46

Even if they were both switched off at the same time - which it doesn't look as if they were - it has zero significance. Many people must have their phones switched off at the same time, it doesn't mean a damn thing.

Much MORE significant is that there is no record at all, in all the many pages of phone logs which have been trawled through by dozens of people, that there was ever ANY phone contact between the McCanns and their friends and Murat and his friends.

None.

Now that is something in the way of hard evidence, but unfortunately for some theories it tends to show that the two groups had no knowledge of each other's existence prior to May 4th.

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Post by sans_souci on 08.01.10 17:03

The OP is implying that by switching phones off for the same period of time Murat and McCann are somehow acting in concert and may have known each other.

However, one reason that it is a "little known fact" is because it is not true.

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Re: Why were both Murat's and Gerry McCann's mobiles switched off for the SAME 32 hours on 2 and 3 May 2007?

Post by aliberte2 on 08.01.10 20:17

So, McCann's Phone Was Turned Back on During This Period?

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