Re: CRIMEWATCH RECONSTRUCTION - However, Kate and Gerry have banned the re-enactment of their daughter’s disappearance from taking place in Portugal through fear of angering the country’s police.

by jeanmonroe 06.10.13 13:18

Hicks
This is incredible! Are the McCann's running the investigation? I wonder if Andy Redwood answers to them.
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Andy Deadbeat answers to BHH, HIS big boss at SY, and the McCanns '£1 pound a pop balloon launching fund raiser' on Mossley Hill, Liverpool.

by susible 06.10.13 13:18

In my opinion this is just spin from SY's announcement that there will be a reconstruction. How can they use a three yr old child in alleged reconstruction? A reconstruction is based on known events, i.e. the last time a person was definitely seen, therefore we would have to have a reconstruction of Gerry looking into the room at his beautiful daughter, in the recovery position at approx 9.10pm...

This news article bears no resemblance of what SY announced the other day, and I still believe the main news is about the analysis of the phone records.

by Liz Eagles 06.10.13 13:19

Portia wrote:
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With a picture of the devastated couple during their visit to the Netherlands in 2011

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And an interesting description of Madeleine's last picture:

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"Madeleine McCann enkele weken voor haar verdwijning. © afp."
(Madeleine a few weeks before her disappearance.)
GM left off his watch, see lighter streak on left wrist

and his wedding ring by the look of things (unless I need a better PC or a trip to Specsavers).

by Smokeandmirrors 06.10.13 13:24

jeanmonroe wrote:Carrying a child through the streets would not only hinder a speedy escape, it would also arouse suspicion.
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Carrying a child through the streets FOR 40 MINUTES around PDL would hinder a speedy escape!

It's beyond belief isn't it? I'm sure the authorities are having a laugh, no serious crime investigation unit would give this cr@p the time of day unless there was an ulterior motive.

by Cristobell 06.10.13 13:25

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"The couple turned down a request from Scotland Yard to be involved in the Crimewatch reconstruction as “it would be far too upsetting for them,” a family source revealed yesterday."

If that is the truth (it is the Daily Star) then I wonder what Scotland Yard made of it....parents refusing to take part in a Scotland Yard reconstruction!

Are we still in the real world, or have we entered some sort of twilight zone?

The McCanns who will do anything in the world to find their daughter, but would be too upset to take part in a reconstruction. Hmm, obviously not too upset to travel to Lisbon to scam 1.2m Euros from the detective who searched for their daughter.

And, as bad as that is, they have forbidden filming in PDL! Good heavens. So effectively they have wriggled out of the reconstruction one way or the other and their strong relationship with Redwood is thriving.

by susible 06.10.13 13:30

Just read the latest update on BBC news and nowhere does it say anything about the McCanns banning anything..Methinks that SY may well have phoned the editorial team and told them to change it tout suite

SY are running this investigation, NOT the McCanns imo

by Guest 06.10.13 13:32

Cristobell wrote:
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"The couple turned down a request from Scotland Yard to be involved in the Crimewatch reconstruction as “it would be far too upsetting for them,” a family source revealed yesterday."

If that is the truth (it is the Daily Star) then I wonder what Scotland Yard made of it....parents refusing to take part in a Scotland Yard reconstruction!
Are we still in the real world, or have we entered some sort of twilight zone?

The McCanns who will do anything in the world to find their daughter, but would be too upset to take part in a reconstruction. Hmm, obviously not too upset to travel to Lisbon to scam 1.2m Euros from the detective who searched for their daughter.

And, as bad as that is, they have forbidden filming in PDL! Good heavens. So effectively they have wriggled out of the reconstruction one way or the other and their strong relationship with Redwood is thriving.

Wonder what SY made of that then, if it is true, and it is a direct quote, which it seems to be.

by **tigger** 06.10.13 13:36

But the Portuguese authorities had no problem with the reconstruction their own film crew did for 'Madeleine was here' . So why should they mind another one?
I sincerely hope these spin doctors have underestimated the good people of Britain - the law is the law except in this case.

The law in medieval times used to be called the King's peace. King John wrote to the mayor of London once to say:
If I give my peace to a dog,it shall be maintained inviolate.

In this case the law has neither been maintained nor remained 'inviolate.' Yet Great Britain is a democracy and has a legal code that has been an example to the rest of the world. I hope that's still worth something.
If I were British, I'd be deeply concerned at this manipulation and hiding of the truth. For you now count for nothing, you no longer have a fair legal or political system.

Write to your MP (this system isn't available in my country and I would love it) and keep writing, post your comments online and in local newspapers, but take charge, insist on being heard. Your freedoms are being taken away with every new scheme to protect these people, you are being lied to, manipulated and brainwashed.

Sermon over, but I've rarely been so furious. Rise up, good people of Britain, you've nothing to lose but your freedom.

by Guest 06.10.13 13:39

candyfloss wrote:
Cristobell wrote:
paddinton wrote:[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

"The couple turned down a request from Scotland Yard to be involved in the Crimewatch reconstruction as “it would be far too upsetting for them,” a family source revealed yesterday."

If that is the truth (it is the Daily Star) then I wonder what Scotland Yard made of it....parents refusing to take part in a Scotland Yard reconstruction!
Are we still in the real world, or have we entered some sort of twilight zone?

The McCanns who will do anything in the world to find their daughter, but would be too upset to take part in a reconstruction. Hmm, obviously not too upset to travel to Lisbon to scam 1.2m Euros from the detective who searched for their daughter.

And, as bad as that is, they have forbidden filming in PDL! Good heavens. So effectively they have wriggled out of the reconstruction one way or the other and their strong relationship with Redwood is thriving.
Wonder what SY made of that then, if it is true, and it is a direct quote, which it seems to be.

GM flew to Portugal to do his own documentary and reconstruction, why not now?? thinking

by susible 06.10.13 13:40

I think after 6yrs of spin we should all be aware by now that whatever the McCanns/family/spokespoodle says, we can be sure that the opposite is true.

Nope, I think that the Mc's are currently bricking it, what with the disaster unfolding in Lisbon and the latest announcements from SY and they are spinning it all to the death in all directions in the vain hope that somehow, it's going to make a difference.

So they have either A) Banned the reconstruction taking place in Portugal in case they upset the PJ (like it ever bothered them before!) or B) are too upset for the reconstruction to take place at all!

It can't be both! But personally, I think it is totally out of their hands

by Truthandjustice 06.10.13 13:49

Cristobell wrote:Whoever heard of doing a reconstruction in a different location? What is the point? Surely a reconstruction should accurately follow the facts as known. We KNOW the disappearance did not occur in Spain.

How will they recreate the events of May 3rd with exact distances and timelines without rebuilding a Hollywood set of PDL as it was in 2007? Hey ho, lots of taxpayers money available. It will be interesting to see why they have chosen a different location, different country and actors to prove the McCanns' innocence. The purpose of a reconstruction is to elicit information from people in the vicinity of the incident - those in PDL. What possible purpose can there be for relocating the crime to Spain and appealing to countries other than Portugual?

I think 'reconstruction' is a misnomer, docudrama might be more apt, or improvisation perhaps. They might as well have done it on a specially constructed set at elstree studios, would have been a lot cheaper, though perhaps that might have made it too obvious we were watching a piece of scripted drama.

by OpenMind 06.10.13 13:51

re·en·act also re-en·act (r[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]n-[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]kt[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.], -[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]-n[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]kt[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.])
tr.v. re·en·act·ed also re-en·act·ed, re·en·act·ing also re-en·act·ing, re·en·acts also re-en·acts
1. To enact again: reenact a law.
2. To perform again: reenact the first two scenes.
3. To go through a second time: reenacted the events leading up to the accident.

re[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]en·act[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]ment n.

I think someone in the mccann camp needs to check a dictionary!!!

by Cristobell 06.10.13 13:59

tigger wrote:But the Portuguese authorities had no problem with the reconstruction their own film crew did for 'Madeleine was here' . So why should they mind another one?
I sincerely hope these spin doctors have underestimated the good people of Britain - the law is the law except in this case.

The law in medieval times used to be called the King's peace. King John wrote to the mayor of London once to say:
If I give my peace to a dog,it shall be maintained inviolate.

In this case the law has neither been maintained nor remained 'inviolate.' Yet Great Britain is a democracy and has a legal code that has been an example to the rest of the world. I hope that's still worth something.
If I were British, I'd be deeply concerned at this manipulation and hiding of the truth. For you now count for nothing, you no longer have a fair legal or political system.

Write to your MP (this system isn't available in my country and I would love it) and keep writing, post your comments online and in local newspapers, but take charge, insist on being heard. Your freedoms are being taken away with every new scheme to protect these people, you are being lied to, manipulated and brainwashed.

Sermon over, but I've rarely been so furious. Rise up, good people of Britain, you've nothing to lose but your freedom.

I certainly hear you Tigger and at the moment I foresee a relaunch of the Fund and honours for Kate and Gerry for all their charitable work.

So two of the most wicked people who have ever lived, parents who 'lost' a child and made a fortune from it, must remain above suspicion. I very much doubt it is the charming personalities of Gerry and Kate that have enabled them to scam a nation, so what the hell is at the heart of this?

by Cristobell 06.10.13 14:01

susible wrote:In my opinion this is just spin from SY's announcement that there will be a reconstruction. How can they use a three yr old child in alleged reconstruction? A reconstruction is based on known events, i.e. the last time a person was definitely seen, therefore we would have to have a reconstruction of Gerry looking into the room at his beautiful daughter, in the recovery position at approx 9.10pm...

This news article bears no resemblance of what SY announced the other day, and I still believe the main news is about the analysis of the phone records.

The last time they used a 3 year old to play the part of Maddie (the Hubbards' daughter I believe), the poor child screamed blue murder, and the locals were horrified.

by susible 06.10.13 14:01

All this and a new sighting...the McCanns are running scared...We've not had any sightings leading up to and during the libel trial but now we do, just when SY are making some moves..in fact I posted my thoughts on the new sighting thread, but I think it's relevant and shows what the McCanns are really worried about, so much so that they are prepared to forgo any chance of winning their libel trial (not that they had any anyway) that they will produce a new sighting as proof Madeleine is still alive (and scuppering any search hampering into the bargain)

by susible 06.10.13 14:03

Cristobell wrote:
susible wrote:In my opinion this is just spin from SY's announcement that there will be a reconstruction. How can they use a three yr old child in alleged reconstruction? A reconstruction is based on known events, i.e. the last time a person was definitely seen, therefore we would have to have a reconstruction of Gerry looking into the room at his beautiful daughter, in the recovery position at approx 9.10pm...

This news article bears no resemblance of what SY announced the other day, and I still believe the main news is about the analysis of the phone records.
The last time they used a 3 year old to play the part of Maddie (the Hubbards' daughter I believe), the poor child screamed blue murder, and the locals were horrified.

True...Did they not have to placate her with a pot noodle or something...

No, I'm going to keep saying it, I totally believe that all this is total spin and nonsense

by ShuBob 06.10.13 14:03

IMO this massive spin we're seeing now is because things are not going well for the couple. I'm prepared to be proved wrong!

by Cristobell 06.10.13 14:08

Truthandjustice wrote:
Cristobell wrote:Whoever heard of doing a reconstruction in a different location? What is the point? Surely a reconstruction should accurately follow the facts as known. We KNOW the disappearance did not occur in Spain.

How will they recreate the events of May 3rd with exact distances and timelines without rebuilding a Hollywood set of PDL as it was in 2007? Hey ho, lots of taxpayers money available. It will be interesting to see why they have chosen a different location, different country and actors to prove the McCanns' innocence. The purpose of a reconstruction is to elicit information from people in the vicinity of the incident - those in PDL. What possible purpose can there be for relocating the crime to Spain and appealing to countries other than Portugual?
I think 'reconstruction' is a misnomer, docudrama might be more apt, or improvisation perhaps. They might as well have done it on a specially constructed set at elstree studios, would have been a lot cheaper, though perhaps that might have made it too obvious we were watching a piece of scripted drama.

Docudrama indeed - and we thought the Emma Loach documentary was farcical. I think the reason the EL documentary was withheld was because the Portuguese people knew the facts of the case courtesy of their free press - something we here in the UK obviously don't have.

by stillsloppingout 06.10.13 14:09

Even with SY assisting / directing them. if i were either party i would be uncomfortable .

Firstly if they are acting out from the original " script " the inconsistencies will not be there for the casual viewer, but will be glaring to the initiated . and i like many, will be straight on the phone to complain, and posting all the untruths on ALL format forthwith .

The same applies to any AMENDMENTS to make it fit, [ supplied by the Police TV etc ] the same applies .

I do not believe for one second they have been the instigators in all this . i have done live TV and nerves kick in ,the reconstruction will be awkward , any live stuff mistakes can / will be made [ body language students will have a field day ] .

by Cristobell 06.10.13 14:10

susible wrote:All this and a new sighting...the McCanns are running scared...We've not had any sightings leading up to and during the libel trial but now we do, just when SY are making some moves..in fact I posted my thoughts on the new sighting thread, but I think it's relevant and shows what the McCanns are really worried about, so much so that they are prepared to forgo any chance of winning their libel trial (not that they had any anyway) that they will produce a new sighting as proof Madeleine is still alive (and scuppering any search hampering into the bargain)

The weeping barrister was a nice touch. Perhaps a nod to the nice Lady Judge, someone from her own profession and all that.

by susible 06.10.13 14:14

Cristobell wrote:
susible wrote:All this and a new sighting...the McCanns are running scared...We've not had any sightings leading up to and during the libel trial but now we do, just when SY are making some moves..in fact I posted my thoughts on the new sighting thread, but I think it's relevant and shows what the McCanns are really worried about, so much so that they are prepared to forgo any chance of winning their libel trial (not that they had any anyway) that they will produce a new sighting as proof Madeleine is still alive (and scuppering any search hampering into the bargain)
The weeping barrister was a nice touch. Perhaps a nod to the nice Lady Judge, someone from her own profession and all that.

No, I think the use of a barrister is just to make it seem credible. As for the judge, it will simply back up Amaral's case and make the McCanns look like idiots...Hampered, hindered search? Errr Nope...case dismissed

by bristow 06.10.13 14:15

stillsloppingout wrote:

Firstly if they are acting out from the original " script " the inconsistencies will not be there for the casual viewer,

Absolutely, that's the problem, the masses and sheeples of this world will lap up everything they're shown on this McConstruction.

by susible 06.10.13 14:18

ShuBob wrote:IMO this massive spin we're seeing now is because things are not going well for the couple. I'm prepared to be proved wrong!

Agree Shubob, and lets face it how many different versions of events have been reported today...it's totally laughable, almost like the McCanns believing that if they have the public on side that they are safe...WRONG

by Cristobell 06.10.13 14:33

stillsloppingout wrote:Even with SY assisting / directing them. if i were either party i would be uncomfortable .

Firstly if they are acting out from the original " script " the inconsistencies will not be there for the casual viewer, but will be glaring to the initiated . and i like many, will be straight on the phone to complain, and posting all the untruths on ALL format forthwith .

The same applies to any AMENDMENTS to make it fit, [ supplied by the Police TV etc ] the same applies .

I do not believe for one second they have been the instigators in all this . i have done live TV and nerves kick in ,the reconstruction will be awkward , any live stuff mistakes can / will be made [ body language students will have a field day ] .

I agree SSO. They must be absolutely squirming right now. Kate won't be able to leave her sentences half finished, hanging in the air, waiting for the interviewer to fill the gaps. The police will want full answers. I don't actually think they have much, if anything, left in the Fund. We know how rapidly they get through money, around £3m so far, I would guess, and this libel trial could well wipe out anything that's left. Their desolate faces tell me their rich backers are no longer around, and fundraising is not an option, as they have the 'best' police force in the world searching for their daughter.

I understand they are appearing live on Crimewatch alongside the police. This won't be a cosy Lorraine chat or an interview where they can evade the questions. They may even be asked to appeal directly to their daughter, something they really don't like doing. I think it will be a pretty tense situation, and wouldn't miss it for the world! Who knows, given the couple's 'close' relationship DCI Redwood, he may sit the other side of Gerry, so he too can clutch onto a thigh!

by Guest 06.10.13 14:36

Oh please, Cristobell, your last sentence, not when I'm eating!

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by Guest 06.10.13 14:53

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Senior investigating officer Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood said: “We now believe we have the most complete picture to date of the events surrounding her disappearance

what

Are they trying to discredit, humiliate the PJ in the eyes of the British public? GM did mention "THE FACTS OF THE FILE"

by Guest 06.10.13 14:57

susible wrote:
ShuBob wrote:IMO this massive spin we're seeing now is because things are not going well for the couple. I'm prepared to be proved wrong!
Agree Shubob, and lets face it how many different versions of events have been reported today...it's totally laughable, almost like the McCanns believing that if they have the public on side that they are safe...WRONG

I agree too, you don't need to be a specialised sniffer dog to pick up the stench of desperation.

by Lance De Boils 06.10.13 14:57

This has got to be a joke.
What the hell would be the point in a reconstruction that is filmed in a completely different location?
Absolute nonsense.

by susible 06.10.13 15:07

Lance De Boils wrote:This has got to be a joke.
What the hell would be the point in a reconstruction that is filmed in a completely different location?
Absolute nonsense.

Exactly, and of course we have at least two different stories...firstly that the McCanns have banned it from being made in Portugal and secondly that the McCanns have declined a reconstruction because it's too distressing..It can't be both. In fact I doubt it it is any of these two scenarios.

The statement from Redwood the other day is probably the most accurate...and lets not forget the detailed analysis of the the phone records, that's what stands out for me!

by marconi 06.10.13 15:10

I never agree with the McCanns but I agree with Gerry's word"s who once said:
"There is so much publication about the case that we don't know what is true and what isn't."

imo

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