Re: CRIMEWATCH RECONSTRUCTION - However, Kate and Gerry have banned the re-enactment of their daughter’s disappearance from taking place in Portugal through fear of angering the country’s police.

by russiandoll 06.10.13 9:54

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by JackieL 06.10.13 10:12

tasprin wrote:The McCanns have BANNED the reconstruction from taking place in Portugal!!!

So the McCanns are running the £5m taxpayer funded Scotland Yard investigation - not the police. Oh well, should've guessed.

Please, please, somebody make this stop. Just can't take any more of this spin. spin

by plebgate 06.10.13 10:20

Seems odd really that this reconstruction is not going to be shown to the Portugese people - after all, Maddie could still be in a hellish lair there.

Are we to take it that SY have discounted this theory from their top tec?

by Guest 06.10.13 10:22

Nereid wrote:Belgian press:

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With a picture of the devastated couple during their visit to the Netherlands in 2011

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And an interesting description of Madeleine's last picture:

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"Madeleine McCann enkele weken voor haar verdwijning. © afp."
(Madeleine a few weeks before her disappearance.)

That chair reminds me of a throne; the royal couple should have donned crowns as well as their good quality wristbands.

As for the other photo, make that a "few months" before her disappearance and that will I think be correct.

If it is true that the McCanns have had the authority to ban the reconstruction from taking place anywhere other than the original crime scene, they really are on a level with royalty.

by plebgate 06.10.13 10:24

I think they are above the Royal Family, even Princess Anne has been in the dock - speeding. Mind you I did read that the police officer who stopped her didn't get very far career wise afterwards.

by russiandoll 06.10.13 10:29

The McCanns are not running any show apart from their PR show.

They do not have the power to interfere in a police investigation. The UK authorities and Portuguese authorities have had to act in accordance with what is allowed under a foreign jurisdiction for the kind of reconstruction proposed in that country.

We will see a drama- documentary and interwoven with that scene of apartments and poolside bar in Spain will be some kind of computer based scenario with the distances and timings of PdL... imo.

Otherwise it is just a drama and of no value to any police investigation.

It will not be taken seriously by anyone watching

To be called a reconstruction it must demonstrate what was said to have happened that night with all things in place. weather conditions, seating arrangements, who left where and when.

Who saw what and when.

We will know soon enough I guess!

It is a beautiful Autumn morning so I am out with the dogs for lots of fresh air. My favourite time of year when it is mild with a hint of a nip in the air, sunshine and all those stunning colours.

Back later !

by Guest 06.10.13 10:39

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"We are doing this in a focused way, working back from the moment that Madeleine was found to have gone. It is like pulling back the layers of an onion. Every hour my officers work on this case is designed to get to that very moment and find out what happened," he said.

Am I reading this right, that they are taking it from KM's version of events when she found Madeliene missing?

by Hicks 06.10.13 10:42

This is incredible! Are the McCann's running the investigation? I wonder if Andy Redwood answers to them.
One thing is obvious, this libel trial has them running scared, perhaps GA will oblige and pull a few surprises out of the bag.

SY say they have built up the most complete picture to date of what happened to Madeleine, well..... That has to be one seriously confusing picture.

by Upsy Daisy 06.10.13 10:44

I actually don't think I can watch this episode of Crimewatch now, so will have to brace myself to read forum coverage.......

[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] anyone for a Big Mac.......McBurglar here says he has an alibi for theweek commencin 28 April 2007....him and Ronald and their pesky pals were on a cruise ship headed for the Carribean, with a swag bag full of contraband............

Dear Lord!!!

by Woofer 06.10.13 10:54

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"We are doing this in a focused way, working back from the moment that Madeleine was found to have gone. It is like pulling back the layers of an onion. Every hour my officers work on this case is designed to get to that very moment and find out what happened," he said.

Am I reading this right, that they are taking it from KM's version of events when she found Madeliene missing?

Its absolutely scream making. Scotland Yard used to have a good reputation - now here we have them behaving more naively than the public and actually doing an investigation based on the say-so of the prime suspects. Whats more they have a yokel type inspector with his oo arr west country accent and not very bright demeanor telling everyone that he has a strong relationship with the McCanns - this in itself is wrong as the police should always remain impartial.

Its a massive joke IMO - all paid for by us. aaagh

by russiandoll 06.10.13 10:57

Cherry Blossom wrote:[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

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"We are doing this in a focused way, working back from the moment that Madeleine was found to have gone. It is like pulling back the layers of an onion. Every hour my officers work on this case is designed to get to that very moment and find out what happened," he said.

Am I reading this right, that they are taking it from KM's version of events when she found Madeliene missing?

Please note the wording from the police. In no statements is the word ABDUCTED used [ despite SY KNOWING, acc to the pros, that this is what happened. In their fanatical belief in the story, they do not understand that reaching a conclusion is not the same as knowing].

It does not appear from any statements that they have concluded this at all.

This is quite a mouthful, the above in bold. So much easier to avoid the awkward wording of

WAS FOUND TO HAVE GONE.

by using WAS TAKEN, WAS ABDUCTED.

Yet the awkward wording was chosen.
This was a press conference, so prepared for, with a certain amount of leeway for spontaneity.

Note also what is the focus :

getting back TO THAT VERY MOMENT AND FIND OUT WHAT HAPPENED

The focus is not on trailing an abductor and where the child has been taken.

It is on the sudden disappearance of a girl who was seen
and then vanished.
The word Redwood uses constantly is DISAPPEARANCE.

a MOMENT, and here it is qualified , THAT VERY MOMENT denotes just that.....she was there, then gone, suddenly.

An abduction can not happen in the amount of time described above.

That person is echoing the father's words iirc....came back and found her gone?

by Woofer 06.10.13 10:58

Ribisl wrote:
Woofer wrote:
jd wrote:
Woofer wrote:jd - have you posted that info on a separate thread here for discussion?
Its part of SY's new super investigation into the mobile phone calls which the mccanns are 'greatly encouraged' by....SY should be investigating all the mccanns & their friends highly suspicious mobile phone calls too. These ones lead more to the truth
Yep realise that but thought it was worth a discussion. For starters I didn't realise that using voicemail prevented the contact being detected. And the info about RMs mobile in the 14 minute period. Its off topic on this thread so wondered if you'd mentioned it before on another thread.
There is a thread based on phone analysis done by Kikoraton

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Thanks Ribisi

by Guest 06.10.13 11:03

Woofer wrote:
Cherry Blossom wrote:[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

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"We are doing this in a focused way, working back from the moment that Madeleine was found to have gone. It is like pulling back the layers of an onion. Every hour my officers work on this case is designed to get to that very moment and find out what happened," he said.

Am I reading this right, that they are taking it from KM's version of events when she found Madeliene missing?
Its absolutely scream making. Scotland Yard used to have a good reputation - now here we have them behaving more naively than the public and actually doing an investigation based on the say-so of the prime suspects. Whats more they have a yokel type inspector with his oo arr west country accent and not very bright demeanor telling everyone that he has a strong relationship with the McCanns - this in itself is wrong as the police should always remain impartial.

Its a massive joke IMO - all paid for by us.

Couldn't agree more Woofer aaagh

Thanks russiandoll for going through those words

by Guest 06.10.13 11:11

Taken from twitter..........

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] was happy to film their own mockumentary in Portugal, but not a police reconstruction. How strange

Good point!

by Smokeandmirrors 06.10.13 11:36

candyfloss wrote:Taken from twitter..........

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] was happy to film their own mockumentary in Portugal, but not a police reconstruction. How strange

Good point!

Fancied a free holiday in Spain no doubt, since they've done Rome, Holland, Sweden, USA, Portugal, Canada and god knows where - shame they didn't take the twins, but then kids on a holiday are such a hinderance, and maybe there wasn't a creche.

by Guest 06.10.13 11:48

Interesting, it seems mobile phone experts from Britain went to PDL in May 2007...........

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by Woburn_exile 06.10.13 11:52

gbwales wrote:So it's not a reconstruction at all, it's a worthless dramatisation of a/their version of events.

Pathetic.

It will be interesting to see how they portray the Portuguese police. Maybe thats why they think they will be offended. As I'm sure will be said on facebook the lines will be alive with callers saying they are talking bollox.
spin

Keystone springs to mind

by Guest 06.10.13 11:55

New understanding’ of the Madeleine McCann case to be revealed

CRIMEWATCH viewers will be given a “new understanding” of the events surrounding the disappearance of Madeleine McCann next Monday.

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One theory was that the man was casing the apartment for a future burglary.

Breaks-ins at nearby apartments have also been well reported.

However, Portuguese detectives felt it was highly unlikely that a child would have been taken by a burglar, who would have wanted to escape quickly from a property when disturbed.

Carrying a child through the streets would not only hinder a speedy escape, it would also arouse suspicion.

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by Cristobell 06.10.13 11:55

Whoever heard of doing a reconstruction in a different location? What is the point? Surely a reconstruction should accurately follow the facts as known. We KNOW the disappearance did not occur in Spain.

How will they recreate the events of May 3rd with exact distances and timelines without rebuilding a Hollywood set of PDL as it was in 2007? Hey ho, lots of taxpayers money available. It will be interesting to see why they have chosen a different location, different country and actors to prove the McCanns' innocence. The purpose of a reconstruction is to elicit information from people in the vicinity of the incident - those in PDL. What possible purpose can there be for relocating the crime to Spain and appealing to countries other than Portugual?

by Seek truth 06.10.13 12:02

SILLY SHEEP!

Even Eddie and Keela are laughing!

lol4

by Guest 06.10.13 12:02

Tony Bennett wrote:The British taxpayer pays for DCI Andy Redwood, and his team of - now 43 - Metropoloitan Police officers.

And has done for the past 2 years and 5 months.

The licence-fee payer is paying for this BBC Crimewatch event.

In both cases, those institutions must be working to a clear agenda and strategy - and with a desired result as their common goal.

They have invested a great deal of time and resources in those efforts.

Good morning mr. Bennett,

What's your take on my suggestion that a comprehensive deal was reached this spring between the Portuguese and UK authorities;
Dr Amarals walks free; the McCs ditto;
while SY lays their hands on all mobile phone traffic generated from PdL 'paedophile networks' since whenever?

by Woburn_exile 06.10.13 12:04

Is there a surefire way of getting a question put to the McCanns live on air?

Why the FOOK didn't you want a reconstruction in 2007? The facility was there.
spin

by paddinton 06.10.13 12:06

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"The couple turned down a request from Scotland Yard to be involved in the Crimewatch reconstruction as “it would be far too upsetting for them,” a family source revealed yesterday."

If that is the truth (it is the Daily Star) then I wonder what Scotland Yard made of it....parents refusing to take part in a Scotland Yard reconstruction!

by Guest 06.10.13 12:06

lj wrote:
candyfloss wrote:Oh my goodness look at this.....

'The pieces of the jigsaw are now fitting together': Missing Maddie's parents 'greatly encouraged' by new mobile phone evidence as probe spreads to Holland and Germany

Scotland Yard trawled calls made by people staying in the holiday resort

The force believes evidence could shed light on Maddie's disappearance

A Crimewatch special this month will launch a new appeal for information

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As a result, the TV special will be aired on British, German and Dutch television.

It will feature an interview with the McCanns, while highlighting new leads uncovered by police.
The programme will also feature a reconstruction of events in the Portuguese resort on the night Madeleine disappeared.

However, Kate and Gerry have banned the re-enactment of their daughter’s disappearance from taking place in Portugal through fear of angering the country’s police.

Instead they have allowed filming to go ahead in neighbouring Spain, with actors playing the roles of the anguished couple.

A three-year-old child actress, bearing a striking similarity to their daughter, will double as Madeleine.
Crimewatch editor Joe Mather said: ‘We are very hopeful this major reconstruction, along with the substantial new lines of enquiry, will prompt viewers with vital information to get in touch with officers in the studio.’

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(My bold in snipped piece)
So not only do they have close ties, they have been given the power to ban or allow.

The never cleared persons of interest.

They get everything they demanded years ago.

It's not indecent, it's obscene.

It's SPIN

by Cristobell 06.10.13 12:11

So they have a 3 year old actress who bears a striking resemblance to Madeleine, for accuracy presumably, yet they are filming the reconstruction in an entirely different country. Righto.

by plebgate 06.10.13 12:11

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"The couple turned down a request from Scotland Yard to be involved in the Crimewatch reconstruction as “it would be far too upsetting for them,” a family source revealed yesterday."

If that is the truth (it is the Daily Star) then I wonder what Scotland Yard made of it....parents refusing to take part in a Scotland Yard reconstruction!

they turned down a request because it would be far too upsetting. Whaaaaattt.

Imagine how upset they are going to feel sitting next to the cops on crimewatch, but it looks as though they might have been told they have to do this and not asked then?????????

by Woburn_exile 06.10.13 12:12

Also by holding the recon on a different site they can portray the fact that they were dining just outside the window instead of half a mile away.
spin

by plebgate 06.10.13 12:13

Cristobell wrote:So they have a 3 year old actress who bears a striking resemblance to Madeleine, for accuracy presumably, yet they are filming the reconstruction in an entirely different country. Righto.

Righto indeed thumbup

by Guest 06.10.13 12:14

Nereid wrote:Belgian press:

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With a picture of the devastated couple during their visit to the Netherlands in 2011

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And an interesting description of Madeleine's last picture:

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"Madeleine McCann enkele weken voor haar verdwijning. © afp."
(Madeleine a few weeks before her disappearance.)

GM left off his watch, see lighter streak on left wrist

by jeanmonroe 06.10.13 12:15

Carrying a child through the streets would not only hinder a speedy escape, it would also arouse suspicion.
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Carrying a child through the streets FOR 40 MINUTES around PDL would hinder a speedy escape!