CRIMEWATCH RECONSTRUCTION - However, Kate and Gerry have banned the re-enactment of their daughter’s disappearance from taking place in Portugal through fear of angering the country’s police.
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6 October 2013 Last updated at 00:07
Madeleine disappeared from her family's holiday apartment in the Algarve in 2007, aged three
The parents of missing Madeleine McCann have said they are "greatly encouraged" by new information about their daughter's disappearance.
A reconstruction of events surrounding her disappearance will be broadcast on the BBC's Crimewatch on 14 October.
Madeleine was three when she went missing in Portugal, in May 2007.
of Praia da Luz at the time of Madeleine's disappearance.
Madeleine, from Rothley, Leicestershire, went missing from a holiday apartment
when Madeleine disappeared, as possible.
to date of the events surrounding her disappearance.
the key to Madeleine's disappearance,
BBC NEWS NEVER SAY 'ABDUCTION'
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Yet BBC Crimewatch SCREAM 'ABDUCTION, ABDUCTION, ABDUCTION.'
6 October 2013 Last updated at 00:07
Madeleine disappeared from her family's holiday apartment in the Algarve in 2007, aged three
The parents of missing Madeleine McCann have said they are "greatly encouraged" by new information about their daughter's disappearance.
A reconstruction of events surrounding her disappearance will be broadcast on the BBC's Crimewatch on 14 October.
Madeleine was three when she went missing in Portugal, in May 2007.
of Praia da Luz at the time of Madeleine's disappearance.
Madeleine, from Rothley, Leicestershire, went missing from a holiday apartment
when Madeleine disappeared, as possible.
to date of the events surrounding her disappearance.
the key to Madeleine's disappearance,
BBC NEWS NEVER SAY 'ABDUCTION'
_______________________________________________________________________
Yet BBC Crimewatch SCREAM 'ABDUCTION, ABDUCTION, ABDUCTION.'
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If it will be a regular reconstruction, an abductor carrying Madeleine through the narrow open window, going down the street passing by the Smiths, etc etc, the Yard will dimish their value down to zero%.At least for me.
And will the McCanns give a live interview? I really can not believe it.
I think this must be a kind of ambush.
And are the employers of BBC Crimewatch already informed how things will take place?
If Tapas 9 are the protagonists, the whole truth will leak before the Yard gives an official statement.
Imo, there is something else going on behind the scenes.
I imagine that an official statement of the Yard could be made live, during Crimewatch, having the PJ beside them.
I hope that the problem will be solved before the 14th, that we will be told what happened to Madeleine and who is responsible for her disappearance.
Gerry's expression last Wednesday gave me hope. His trolleybag too.
all imo.
And will the McCanns give a live interview? I really can not believe it.
I think this must be a kind of ambush.
And are the employers of BBC Crimewatch already informed how things will take place?
If Tapas 9 are the protagonists, the whole truth will leak before the Yard gives an official statement.
Imo, there is something else going on behind the scenes.
I imagine that an official statement of the Yard could be made live, during Crimewatch, having the PJ beside them.
I hope that the problem will be solved before the 14th, that we will be told what happened to Madeleine and who is responsible for her disappearance.
Gerry's expression last Wednesday gave me hope. His trolleybag too.
all imo.
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no, Madonna and Brad Pitt.Grande Finale wrote:I Can't Beleive I'm Hearing this.............
Is it true that Ian brady and Rose west are to play the HOLY couple in the crime watch panto ??
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The upcoming 'McCannwatch' will be the next Newsnight "Savile" fiasco.
Inquiries all over the place, who knew what, when etc.,
Crimewatch editor Joe Mather is risking his job, imo,to appease the former 'suspects'
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As series editor Joe Mather explains “It's a great television programme to work on, involving filming reconstructions, involving actors, and sometimes STUNTS and it's all quite glamorous and exciting....."
Well there you have it STRAIGHT from the horses mouth!
IT'S ALL A 'STUNT'
Also, imo, McCanns won't set foot in Portugal TOGETHER because the PJ would re-arguido them instantly, as the 'investigation' is now LIVE (re-opened) again, to a degree!
Inquiries all over the place, who knew what, when etc.,
Crimewatch editor Joe Mather is risking his job, imo,to appease the former 'suspects'
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As series editor Joe Mather explains “It's a great television programme to work on, involving filming reconstructions, involving actors, and sometimes STUNTS and it's all quite glamorous and exciting....."
Well there you have it STRAIGHT from the horses mouth!
IT'S ALL A 'STUNT'
Also, imo, McCanns won't set foot in Portugal TOGETHER because the PJ would re-arguido them instantly, as the 'investigation' is now LIVE (re-opened) again, to a degree!
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Its part of SY's new super investigation into the mobile phone calls which the mccanns are 'greatly encouraged' by....SY should be investigating all the mccanns & their friends highly suspicious mobile phone calls too. These ones lead more to the truthWoofer wrote:jd - have you posted that info on a separate thread here for discussion?
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According to my sources it'll be either Brady & West or the Philpotts, GF, with Gerry M up for for the role of Archangel Gabriel andGrande Finale wrote:I Can't Beleive I'm Hearing this.............
Is it true that Ian brady and Rose west are to play the HOLY couple in the crime watch panto ??
As Broadmoor's
I did hear a rumour that either Branston or Philip Green will be laying on a private jet or 2 to convey the cast and crew to the location but I reckon that's stretching credibility a tad too far, don't you?
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marconi wrote:
Gerry's expression last Wednesday gave me hope. His trolleybag too.
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I didn't see K with him last Wednesday!
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However, Kate and Gerry have banned the re-enactment of their daughter’s disappearance from taking place in Portugal through fear of angering the country’s police.
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How very helpful, un-hindering, and un-hampering they are, with the PJ/SY 'investigation'.
Gerry's expression last Wednesday gave me hope. His trolleybag too.
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I didn't see K with him last Wednesday!
ETA:
However, Kate and Gerry have banned the re-enactment of their daughter’s disappearance from taking place in Portugal through fear of angering the country’s police.
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How very helpful, un-hindering, and un-hampering they are, with the PJ/SY 'investigation'.
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she wasn't in Lisbon, as far as I know.jeanmonroe wrote:marconi wrote:
Gerry's expression last Wednesday gave me hope. His trolleybag too.
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I didn't see K with him last Wednesday!
My hope is that she had already gone to Algarve, for the reconstruction.
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His "trolleybag"?marconi wrote:she wasn't in Lisbon, as far as I know.jeanmonroe wrote:marconi wrote:
Gerry's expression last Wednesday gave me hope. His trolleybag too.
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I didn't see K with him last Wednesday!
My hope is that she had already gone to Algarve, for the reconstruction.
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Yep realise that but thought it was worth a discussion. For starters I didn't realise that using voicemail prevented the contact being detected. And the info about RMs mobile in the 14 minute period. Its off topic on this thread so wondered if you'd mentioned it before on another thread.jd wrote:Its part of SY's new super investigation into the mobile phone calls which the mccanns are 'greatly encouraged' by....SY should be investigating all the mccanns & their friends highly suspicious mobile phone calls too. These ones lead more to the truthWoofer wrote:jd - have you posted that info on a separate thread here for discussion?
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who can explain me what is substantive material.
something solid?
something solid?
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22 May 2007
Taking questions from the press, Gerry McCann is asked: "Did you know Robert Murat?"
He replies: "I'm not going to comment on that".
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ANYONE else would have replied:
'Yes, i know Robert Murat'
or
'No, i don't know Robert Murat.'
Not Gerry though!
Taking questions from the press, Gerry McCann is asked: "Did you know Robert Murat?"
He replies: "I'm not going to comment on that".
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ANYONE else would have replied:
'Yes, i know Robert Murat'
or
'No, i don't know Robert Murat.'
Not Gerry though!
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marconi wrote:If it will be a regular reconstruction, an abductor carrying Madeleine through the narrow open window, going down the street passing by the Smiths, etc etc,
It's definitely going to be a regular reconstruction, marconi... but after the abductor has climbed out of the narrow open window
I have it on good authority that casting for the role of abductor presented a unique challenge as few thespians possess the ability to become completely faceless, a requirement which was deemed essential for the script to stay true to JT's original description of 'bundleman'.
I hope I'm not spoiling anyone's enjoyment of the forthcoming K&G show (special guest Andy Redordeadwood) by revealing that the guy
In fact, it was necessary for him/her to slip their belt through a lead so they could be guided by a highly trained canine through the first part of their performance - although 'Edla' was subsequently painstakingly airbrushed out of every frame, I'm assured the appropriate Equity fee for their services was paid in
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'Substantive' is something solid - such as a brick wall or a fact which can be proved without doubt, marconi.
'Insubstantive' is something such as the cotton wool I feel as if I'm punching to get through to the truth hidden behind McCann & Co's web of lies.
'Insubstantive' is something such as the cotton wool I feel as if I'm punching to get through to the truth hidden behind McCann & Co's web of lies.
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Gerryjeanmonroe wrote:22 May 2007
Taking questions from the press, Gerry McCann is asked: "Did you know Robert Murat?"
He replies: "I'm not going to comment on that".
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ANYONE else would have replied:
'Yes, i know Robert Murat'
or
'No, i don't know Robert Murat.'
Not Gerry though!
Ye gods, I feel sorry for any
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Ahem...!! Scotland Yard doing this recon behind the back of its partner, the Portuguese? Err...who's buying it!sharonl wrote:We are told that the Portuguese police have cleared the McCanns and that they are working alongside officers from Scotland Yard. If any of this is true, what possible reason would there be for the PJ to be angered by a reconstruction?
Unless of course the McCanns have other reasons for not wanting the PJ to see this, which of course they will, even if it is with Spanish subtitles.
Or have the McCanns been prevented from showing this in Portugal?
They may not have done the recon with any input from the Portuguese, but can the Mccann ban it from Portugal without going to court to take out an injunction.
Does BBC need to ask mccanns ( oops the pink creature) for permission to broadcast a Police recon programme in whichever country they want?
Is pinky running this country?
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thank you, ultima ThuleultimaThule wrote:'Substantive' is something solid - such as a brick wall or a fact which can be proved without doubt, marconi.
'Insubstantive' is something such as the cotton wool I feel as if I'm punching to get through to the truth hidden behind McCann & Co's web of lies.
it could be the bullet they extracted from their foot, after having shot it in June 2011.
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Decoded to mean the filming of the re-enactment (already completed) took place in Spain, and not Portugal.However, Kate and Gerry have banned the re-enactment of their daughter’s disappearance from taking place in Portugal through fear of angering the country’s police.
Instead they have allowed filming to go ahead in neighbouring Spain, with actors playing the roles of the anguished couple.
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And, not that the finished product is banned in Portugal.
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BBC Crimewatch editor Joe Mather said: “We’ve been working very closely with the Metropolitan Police on a new Madeleine McCann appeal for several months.
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So, this isn't a quick 'pull it out of the hat' thing. No, no, no, it's been worked on for several months despite no clarity as to whether Scotland Yard and the PJ have a concrete agreement - they certainly didn't have one several months ago as was reported in MSM re CPS formal letter of request etc.
You have to wonder at the timing of this broadcast - and this is being broadcast in countries other than UK - although no mention of Portuguese television.
Maybe the following should be considered:
1. The Tory Party Conference is over.
2. The Libel Trial in Portugal seems to be 'struggling'.
3. The phone hacking trial in UK (Rebekah Brooks) is about to commence.
4. It's still not established whether UK and Portuguese Police have completely sorted out investigation issues.
.....and just to add a little spice to the mixture, lo and behold we get another sighting of sorts coming out of the woodwork from an anonymous barrister/pillar of the community who has spoken to the Daily Mirror despite having reported his information based on gut feeling to the relevant and appropriate authorities.
It's all go in October innit? If I were a cynic (heaven forbid) I'd be inclined to think this is well PR'd.
This month's focus is in the dog and bone area. Shame it's not in just the dog area.
Only my observation/opinion of course.
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So, this isn't a quick 'pull it out of the hat' thing. No, no, no, it's been worked on for several months despite no clarity as to whether Scotland Yard and the PJ have a concrete agreement - they certainly didn't have one several months ago as was reported in MSM re CPS formal letter of request etc.
You have to wonder at the timing of this broadcast - and this is being broadcast in countries other than UK - although no mention of Portuguese television.
Maybe the following should be considered:
1. The Tory Party Conference is over.
2. The Libel Trial in Portugal seems to be 'struggling'.
3. The phone hacking trial in UK (Rebekah Brooks) is about to commence.
4. It's still not established whether UK and Portuguese Police have completely sorted out investigation issues.
.....and just to add a little spice to the mixture, lo and behold we get another sighting of sorts coming out of the woodwork from an anonymous barrister/pillar of the community who has spoken to the Daily Mirror despite having reported his information based on gut feeling to the relevant and appropriate authorities.
It's all go in October innit? If I were a cynic (heaven forbid) I'd be inclined to think this is well PR'd.
This month's focus is in the dog and bone area. Shame it's not in just the dog area.
Only my observation/opinion of course.
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marconi wrote:thank you, ultima ThuleultimaThule wrote:'Substantive' is something solid - such as a brick wall or a fact which can be proved without doubt, marconi.
'Insubstantive' is something such as the cotton wool I feel as if I'm punching to get through to the truth hidden behind McCann & Co's web of lies.
it could be the bullet they extracted from their foot, after having shot it in June 2011.
You're very welcome any time, marconi.
For what it's worth a bullet is substantive, but unless I was present in person when the McCanns' recovered it I wouldn't necessarily believe it had been extracted from their foot, or that they'd fired the gun.
It's long overdue for the McCanns' lies to be shot down in fiery flames - much like the ones their God will be consigning them to at a time of His choosing. When that day of reckoning comes I doubt it'll do Kate much good asking the V.Mary to intercede as I suspect all the Madonna will do is remove the pizza from the
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Thanks to the Portuguese who supplied us with snippet of the facts, the picture is now clearer, to me anyway.5 OCTOBER 2013 | POSTED BY JOANA MORAIS LEAVE A COMMENT
British authorities say that six suspects of Maddie's disappearance are in the Algarve
Proceedings requested to Portugal will focus on these individuals, of English and Portuguese nationalities, who had already been investigated
Police is analyzing the phone records of the suspects
by Rui Pando Gomes/Ana Palma
Of the 41 suspects that the British authorities believe to have an interest towards clarifying the Maddie case, six are in the Algarve. The CM found out, that most of the proceedings, requested by the English police to the Portuguese authorities within the scope of the new investigation opened in England over Madeleine's disappearance, will focus on these individuals.
CM learned the suspects are of English and Portuguese nationalities and were in the vicinity of Praia da Luz, in Lagos, at the time of the disappearance, in May 3, 2007.
They had already been investigated by the Judiciary Police (PJ), however the British police guarantees that they have new data, following the analyses of several phone records. It will be the cross-examination of that data that the investigation, which began with the pressure of the prime minister David Cameron [see on the side], is now focusing, leading to requests of judicial cooperation sent to several European countries, among them Portugal.
In order to fulfill the request, a team of six elements from the Judiciary Police directorship of the Southern area of Portugal was deployed, to carry out all the steps asked by the British police based on Portuguese law. The National PJ Director, Almeida Rodrigues, confirmed yesterday that the Portuguese authorities received a rogatory letter from the English authorities which is "being applied in accordance to the usual process". He also stated that the existing PJ team in Porto, headed by the Superior PJ Coordinator Helena Monteiro, reviewing the process will "continue to do their job" since "the situations of children who disappear are never truly closed while it is not determined what has happened".
The Attorney General, Joana Marques Vidal, also confirmed yesterday that "there is a process in England" and that it was asked to Portugal, within the scope of international judicial cooperation, "to carry out some proceedings".
The Portuguese team will support the British unit in charge of 'Operation Grange', from the Metropolitan Police, who are reviewing all the leads.
IMV, the Yard's Review is independent of the Portuguese, hence the remit " as if the abduction happened in the UK".
All the concerns about case not being able to be reopened in Portugal without new evidence as is minimum requirement under its judiciary system, or that the Yard's solo conclusion cannot be validated/recognised without the Portuguese concurrence since Portuguese retains primacy to the case, can all be disregarded where this Review is concerned.
We are now told "there is a process in England" (and not a joint-process as falsely perceived/believed), where the Portuguese's help were sought as necessary, naturally, since also the MET cannot interrogate people on Portuguese soil.
The way I read it- the Portuguese are not involved in a joint-review whereby every move or every action has to be taken collectively or unanimously between the two forces before the Yard can proceed to the next action, b/c this is not about leading to further/future actions under the Portuguese judiciary, so no joint decision necessary to render its validity.
The Review is the Yard's own baby, seeking help from predominantly Portugal or any country where deemed necessary.
INTERESTING to say the least, if not OMG sudden dawning of realisation.
It can only mean if evidence found supports a prosecution, the prosecution will be brought in UK.
It's part and parcel of investigation normal procedures that when a crime involving a missing child and/or homicide in concerned, inevitably a reconstruction and/or joint-police-and-parents-of-the-child appeal is made urging people to come forward with info. History and statistics have proven how this will end in most cases.
So, we shall see whether history repeats itself.
The Mccanns must have by now (if they were deluded before) realised that the Review is not about Yard helping the Portuguese to reopen"shelved" case .....to find Madeleine; but about the MET efforts ( by extension the UK government's intention) to find out what really happened to her.
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So not only do they have close ties, they have been given the power to ban or allow.candyfloss wrote:Oh my goodness look at this.....
'The pieces of the jigsaw are now fitting together': Missing Maddie's parents 'greatly encouraged' by new mobile phone evidence as probe spreads to Holland and Germany
- Scotland Yard trawled calls made by people staying in the holiday resort
- The force believes evidence could shed light on Maddie's disappearance
- A Crimewatch special this month will launch a new appeal for information
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As a result, the TV special will be aired on British, German and Dutch television.
It will feature an interview with the McCanns, while highlighting new leads uncovered by police.
The programme will also feature a reconstruction of events in the Portuguese resort on the night Madeleine disappeared.
However, Kate and Gerry have banned the re-enactment of their daughter’s disappearance from taking place in Portugal through fear of angering the country’s police.
Instead they have allowed filming to go ahead in neighbouring Spain, with actors playing the roles of the anguished couple.
A three-year-old child actress, bearing a striking similarity to their daughter, will double as Madeleine.
Crimewatch editor Joe Mather said: ‘We are very hopeful this major reconstruction, along with the substantial new lines of enquiry, will prompt viewers with vital information to get in touch with officers in the studio.’
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The never cleared persons of interest.
They get everything they demanded years ago.
It's not indecent, it's obscene.
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Well there was no way they could have a reconstruction in Praia as then people would actually see that the whole thing was utter nonsense, the apartment couldn't be seen from the tapas bar, that it wasn't really like dining in your back garden etc etc
I can only hope this is a Philpott style set up by the police. However I'm not hopeful.
I can only hope this is a Philpott style set up by the police. However I'm not hopeful.
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Reading between the lines, it seems highly improbable the PJ will allow any reconstruction to be enacted on their turf unless it is on their terms and I get the distinct impression that any request to film yet another advertisement soliciting donations tothe McCanns' personal bank account FindMadeleine.com.Ltd in Portugal is unlikely to be given the necessary stamp of approval.
So, poor old Spain has the dubious privilege of seeing its sunny shores and delightful scenery serve as a backdrop to the forthcoming K&G Show. I wonder which unsuspecting seaside town drew theshort lucky straw and whether any UK police officers found it necessary to linger on the nearest golf course after the set was struck?
Reading between the lines, it seems highly improbable the PJ will allow any reconstruction to be enacted on their turf unless it is on their terms and I get the distinct impression that any request to film yet another advertisement soliciting donations to
So, poor old Spain has the dubious privilege of seeing its sunny shores and delightful scenery serve as a backdrop to the forthcoming K&G Show. I wonder which unsuspecting seaside town drew the
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More likely an official recon without Portuguese's approval cant be done in Portugal, not when the case is shelved.uppatoffee wrote:Well there was no way they could have a reconstruction in Praia as then people would actually see that the whole thing was utter nonsense, the apartment couldn't be seen from the tapas bar, that it wasn't really like dining in your back garden etc etc
I can only hope this is a Philpott style set up by the police. However I'm not hopeful.
A simple reason like that, and MET's idea to have it done in Spain, but someone twisted that info.
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Re: CRIMEWATCH RECONSTRUCTION - However, Kate and Gerry have banned the re-enactment of their daughter’s disappearance from taking place in Portugal through fear of angering the country’s police.
There is a thread based on phone analysis done by KikoratonWoofer wrote:Yep realise that but thought it was worth a discussion. For starters I didn't realise that using voicemail prevented the contact being detected. And the info about RMs mobile in the 14 minute period. Its off topic on this thread so wondered if you'd mentioned it before on another thread.jd wrote:Its part of SY's new super investigation into the mobile phone calls which the mccanns are 'greatly encouraged' by....SY should be investigating all the mccanns & their friends highly suspicious mobile phone calls too. These ones lead more to the truthWoofer wrote:jd - have you posted that info on a separate thread here for discussion?
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I share your view on this that the prosecution, if and when it happens, will be brought in the UK by the SY.aiyoyo wrote:Thanks to the Portuguese who supplied us with snippet of the facts, the picture is now clearer, to me anyway.
IMV, the Yard's Review is independent of the Portuguese, hence the remit " as if the abduction happened in the UK".
All the concerns about case not being able to be reopened in Portugal without new evidence as is minimum requirement under its judiciary system, or that the Yard's solo conclusion cannot be validated/recognised without the Portuguese concurrence since Portuguese retains primacy to the case, can all be disregarded where this Review is concerned.
We are now told "there is a process in England" (and not a joint-process as falsely perceived/believed), where the Portuguese's help were sought as necessary, naturally, since also the MET cannot interrogate people on Portuguese soil.
The way I read it- the Portuguese are not involved in a joint-review whereby every move or every action has to be taken collectively or unanimously between the two forces before the Yard can proceed to the next action, b/c this is not about leading to further/future actions under the Portuguese judiciary, so no joint decision necessary to render its validity.
The Review is the Yard's own baby, seeking help from predominantly Portugal or any country where deemed necessary.
INTERESTING to say the least, if not OMG sudden dawning of realisation.
It can only mean if evidence found supports a prosecution, the prosecution will be brought in UK.
It's part and parcel of investigation normal procedures that when a crime involving a missing child and/or homicide in concerned, inevitably a reconstruction and/or joint-police-and-parents-of-the-child appeal is made urging people to come forward with info. History and statistics have proven how this will end in most cases.
So, we shall see whether history repeats itself.
The Mccanns must have by now (if they were deluded before) realised that the Review is not about Yard helping the Portuguese to reopen"shelved" case .....to find Madeleine; but about the MET efforts ( by extension the UK government's intention) to find out what really happened to her.
This reconstruction is not meant to be what the PL wanted ie the McCanns and T7 retracing their whereabouts and movements on the night of the supposed abduction. I think this one would also involve the earlier days of their stay in PDL when Madeleine was last seen alive by independent witnesses which could narrow down the real timeline with regards her disappearance. Couldn't it be that the actions of the 3rd are considered less important because they already know that that part was a cover-up? Otherwise filming a reconstruction at another location makes no sense at all.
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Re: CRIMEWATCH RECONSTRUCTION - However, Kate and Gerry have banned the re-enactment of their daughter’s disappearance from taking place in Portugal through fear of angering the country’s police.
You could be right the recon may incorporate yard's new theory beyond the circumstances surrounding night of 3rd.Ribisl wrote:I share your view on this that the prosecution, if and when it happens, will be brought in the UK by the SY.aiyoyo wrote:Thanks to the Portuguese who supplied us with snippet of the facts, the picture is now clearer, to me anyway.
IMV, the Yard's Review is independent of the Portuguese, hence the remit " as if the abduction happened in the UK".
All the concerns about case not being able to be reopened in Portugal without new evidence as is minimum requirement under its judiciary system, or that the Yard's solo conclusion cannot be validated/recognised without the Portuguese concurrence since Portuguese retains primacy to the case, can all be disregarded where this Review is concerned.
We are now told "there is a process in England" (and not a joint-process as falsely perceived/believed), where the Portuguese's help were sought as necessary, naturally, since also the MET cannot interrogate people on Portuguese soil.
The way I read it- the Portuguese are not involved in a joint-review whereby every move or every action has to be taken collectively or unanimously between the two forces before the Yard can proceed to the next action, b/c this is not about leading to further/future actions under the Portuguese judiciary, so no joint decision necessary to render its validity.
The Review is the Yard's own baby, seeking help from predominantly Portugal or any country where deemed necessary.
INTERESTING to say the least, if not OMG sudden dawning of realisation.
It can only mean if evidence found supports a prosecution, the prosecution will be brought in UK.
It's part and parcel of investigation normal procedures that when a crime involving a missing child and/or homicide in concerned, inevitably a reconstruction and/or joint-police-and-parents-of-the-child appeal is made urging people to come forward with info. History and statistics have proven how this will end in most cases.
So, we shall see whether history repeats itself.
The Mccanns must have by now (if they were deluded before) realised that the Review is not about Yard helping the Portuguese to reopen"shelved" case .....to find Madeleine; but about the MET efforts ( by extension the UK government's intention) to find out what really happened to her.
This reconstruction is not meant to be what the PL wanted ie the McCanns and T7 retracing their whereabouts and movements on the night of the supposed abduction. I think this one would also involve the earlier days of their stay in PDL when Madeleine was last seen alive by independent witnesses which could narrow down the real timeline with regards her disappearance. Couldn't it be that the actions of the 3rd are considered less important because they already know that that part was a cover-up? Otherwise filming a reconstruction at another location makes no sense at all.
Again, it is just my opinion, but I think it's not legally possible for MET to do a recon on Portugal soil without collaboration with PJ and approval from Portugal Judiciary Authority.
We are talking recon by Police force of another jurisdiction, for a crime committed in Portugal falling under Portugal jurisdiction.
The case is not closed, the Portuguese still retain the lead primacy over it, there would be legal constraints now, and future legal complications for Portuguese to endorse such a project taken by another Police force on Portuguese soil. The same reason it cant be aired in Portugal I would imagine, I stand correctly of course.
No Judiciary authority of any country will accept reconstruction of Police Force from another jurisdiction, for a crime under their own jurisdiction, else that will jeopardise and cause legal complications for the country should it reopens the case on new evidence.
Legal wise, a recon in Portugal cannot be done unless the case is reopen, and it does not look as if the MET are working with the Portuguese to that end.
That could only mean there isn't any new evidence.
The new MET refer to must be old given new eyes, new working over, new meaning, all done under an ongoing process in UK for actions or otherwise under UK jurisdiction.
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This is the 3rd top story on the BBC website tbhis morning.
As the Crimewatch programme is the BBC's, we can expect top coverage of madeleine's disappearance on the BBC this week:
Madeleine McCann's parents 'greatly encouraged' by new inquiry
[PICTURE: Madeleine disappeared from her family's holiday apartment in the Algarve in 2007, aged three Continue reading the main story]
The parents of missing Madeleine McCann have said they are "greatly encouraged" by new information about their daughter's disappearance.
Madeleine was three when she went missing in Portugal, in May 2007.
A reconstruction of events surrounding her disappearance will be broadcast on the BBC's Crimewatch on 14 October.
Kate and Gerry McCann said "pieces of the jigsaw" had started fitting together since Scotland Yard opened its own investigation in July.
Police have said the Crimewatch appeal, which will also be broadcast in the Netherlands and Germany, is based on the "latest, most detailed understanding" of events.
It comes after police said phone records may be key to the case.
Officers from the Metropolitan Police are analysing data from phones belonging to people who were in the Portuguese resort of Praia da Luz at the time of Madeleine's disappearance. They say 41 people of interest have been identified.
Madeleine, from Rothley, Leicestershire, went missing from a holiday apartment as her parents dined at a nearby tapas restaurant with friends at the Algarve resort.
Her parents said: "We are greatly encouraged by new information coming to light with pieces of the jigsaw now fitting together.
"We're really hopeful the forthcoming Crimewatch appeal will bring further new evidence which will take us a step closer to finding Madeleine and to bringing those responsible for her abduction to justice."
'Hold the key'
The Metropolitan Police also said they hoped the reconstruction would produce new lines of inquiry.
Detectives, who have interviewed 442 people as part of their investigation - codenamed Operation Grange - are attempting to track down as many people present in the Portuguese resort around 3 May 2007, when Madeleine disappeared, as possible.
Senior investigating officer, Det Ch Insp Andy Redwood, said: "We now believe we have the most complete picture to date of the events surrounding her disappearance.
"We are making targeted and new appeals for help from the public.
Police issued a computer-generated image (r) of how Madeleine might have looked aged nine
"I truly believe there are people out there who hold the key to Madeleine's disappearance, and that so far they may be completely unaware of that fact."
A three-year-old actress will play Madeleine in the Crimewatch reconstruction. A small production team from the programme spent a week filming abroad for the new appeal.
The McCanns and Mr Redwood will also speak to presenter Kirsty Young live in the studio.
The Portuguese investigation officially closed in July 2008, but authorities are backing the Scotland Yard inquiry and officers from both countries will work together pursuing new leads.
The Metropolitan Police now has a team of six Portuguese detectives based in Faro who are carrying out inquiries on its behalf.
As the Crimewatch programme is the BBC's, we can expect top coverage of madeleine's disappearance on the BBC this week:
Madeleine McCann's parents 'greatly encouraged' by new inquiry
[PICTURE: Madeleine disappeared from her family's holiday apartment in the Algarve in 2007, aged three Continue reading the main story]
The parents of missing Madeleine McCann have said they are "greatly encouraged" by new information about their daughter's disappearance.
Madeleine was three when she went missing in Portugal, in May 2007.
A reconstruction of events surrounding her disappearance will be broadcast on the BBC's Crimewatch on 14 October.
Kate and Gerry McCann said "pieces of the jigsaw" had started fitting together since Scotland Yard opened its own investigation in July.
Police have said the Crimewatch appeal, which will also be broadcast in the Netherlands and Germany, is based on the "latest, most detailed understanding" of events.
It comes after police said phone records may be key to the case.
Officers from the Metropolitan Police are analysing data from phones belonging to people who were in the Portuguese resort of Praia da Luz at the time of Madeleine's disappearance. They say 41 people of interest have been identified.
Madeleine, from Rothley, Leicestershire, went missing from a holiday apartment as her parents dined at a nearby tapas restaurant with friends at the Algarve resort.
Her parents said: "We are greatly encouraged by new information coming to light with pieces of the jigsaw now fitting together.
"We're really hopeful the forthcoming Crimewatch appeal will bring further new evidence which will take us a step closer to finding Madeleine and to bringing those responsible for her abduction to justice."
'Hold the key'
The Metropolitan Police also said they hoped the reconstruction would produce new lines of inquiry.
Detectives, who have interviewed 442 people as part of their investigation - codenamed Operation Grange - are attempting to track down as many people present in the Portuguese resort around 3 May 2007, when Madeleine disappeared, as possible.
Senior investigating officer, Det Ch Insp Andy Redwood, said: "We now believe we have the most complete picture to date of the events surrounding her disappearance.
"We are making targeted and new appeals for help from the public.
Police issued a computer-generated image (r) of how Madeleine might have looked aged nine
"I truly believe there are people out there who hold the key to Madeleine's disappearance, and that so far they may be completely unaware of that fact."
A three-year-old actress will play Madeleine in the Crimewatch reconstruction. A small production team from the programme spent a week filming abroad for the new appeal.
The McCanns and Mr Redwood will also speak to presenter Kirsty Young live in the studio.
The Portuguese investigation officially closed in July 2008, but authorities are backing the Scotland Yard inquiry and officers from both countries will work together pursuing new leads.
The Metropolitan Police now has a team of six Portuguese detectives based in Faro who are carrying out inquiries on its behalf.
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Dr Martin Roberts: "The evidence is that these are the pjyamas Madeleine wore on holiday in Praia da Luz. They were photographed and the photo handed to a press agency, who released it on 8 May, as the search for Madeleine continued. The McCanns held up these same pyjamas at two press conferences on 5 & 7June 2007. How could Madeleine have been abducted?"
Amelie McCann (aged 2): "Maddie's jammies!".
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With a picture of the devastated couple during their visit to the Netherlands in 2011
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