Re: Norwegian ex-military detective claims to have solved Madeleine case

by Cake Lover 28.05.24 11:32

Jill Havern wrote:To be fair, I only got my book on Thursday morning and read the last 'Volume' over the past two days.

It is a massive book and anyone who's now got it will easily take a week to read the whole thing, unless they start at the end as I did. And if they've also got a full-time job then it would take even longer.

I tweeted the Met Police, Dan Wootton and Peter Bleksley with a link to the book and PeterMac has written to Grange...and today, he's also written to others including Esther McVey, the Home Office and others.

Given that Grange do bugger all with their time, they should be the first to reply...right?

I hope you and Petermac received acknowledgment from those you contacted.

by **Jill Havern** 28.05.24 11:45

Not a dicky bird for me, not even a 'like' for my tweet from Dan Wootton nah

So I unsubscribed from his Substack.

Cos I'm like that.

by Cake Lover 28.05.24 11:48

the fearless, 'nobody owns me now' Dan?

by **Jill Havern** 28.05.24 11:58

Dan is more focussed on the other MBM....

...Meghan Bloody Markle.

Cos the whereabouts of a dead 3-year-old, and trying to bring down the house of cards of corruption isn't as important, it would seem, than some grifter trying to sell jam.

by Ladyinred 28.05.24 12:29

Jill Havern wrote:
Bluebagthepirate wrote:I really really want this to be real.

I'm being held back because from bitter experience "too good to be true" usually disappoints.

You never know.

My wife asked why he hasn't gone directly to the Portuguese Police with all this.
He did go to the PJ...with a memory stick of photos.

Amaral: "This case was archived due to polical reasons"

Mr Stellander has to break through the politics too.

It's not just the McCanns and the 'Golden Nuggets' who are sweating. Not just Portugal but the UK.

And Cat Nanny.

I shall be reading the Cat Nanny threads to refresh my memory.

by **Jill Havern** 28.05.24 13:00

crusader wrote:One thing we do know for sure, the McCann's went on a "well deserved break" instead of attending the service/prayer vigil this year.
That to me speaks volumes.

And it was a very sudden 'well deserved break'...swiftly following another email.

by AnneCGuedes 28.05.24 13:50

Cake Lover wrote:I said the same, but I think that doing what he has done makes sure that they can't ignore the book. They can't refuse to acknowledge it, on whatever political or 'reasons of confidentiality' or 'ongoing investigation' grounds they choose.

The PJ would not refuse a rogatory mission if the Met or the BKA requested one concerning the allegedly buried body. But I doubt they would take the initiative of officially searching the place. It wouldn't be politically correct, GA is right. And if you think of all the insults and false accusations that the PJ and Portugal have been the target of, you'll admit that they're a bit right.

by Cake Lover 28.05.24 15:18

Yes, they don't need any more maligning. Maybe some of them will read the book privately.

by Honesty 28.05.24 15:27

No doubt I should know, but who is Cat Nanny, please?

by crusader 28.05.24 15:32

"Cat" is Catriona Baker , the nanny that looked after Madeleine in the creche.

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/CATRIONA-TREASA.htm

by **Jill Havern** 28.05.24 16:01

If Maddie had her accident on Sunday, did she get chance to go to the Creche?

by crusader 28.05.24 16:08

If Madeleine died on Sunday, that would have been the first and last time she did go to the creche, or anywhere else for that matter.
She was seen by the cleaner on Sunday at lunchtime, I'm presuming she was at creche on Sunday morning, so she had half a day at creche.
I'm surprised there was a creche on a Sunday actually, I find that very odd.

by **Jill Havern** 28.05.24 16:11

She might have had an accident on Sunday, but it doesn't mean she died that day...but if she sustained a head injury and a bleed on the brain, would she have been well enough to go to the creche?

by **Jill Havern** 28.05.24 16:21

Either ~~CMOMM~~ MMRG is wrong about Sunday...or Mr Stellander is wrong about Wednesday. If Maddie fell on the Sunday (but didn't die until the Wednesday) there wouldn't have been cadaver odour behind the sofa.

Although Eddie also alerts to blood, whereas Keela doesn't alert to cadaver.

I wonder if Eddie gives different signals for blood and cadaver?

eta: I've crossed out CMOMM because not everyone on the forum agrees with the MMRG....soz blushing1

by Silentscope 28.05.24 17:34

When do we accept the last time Madeleine was seen by someone not connected with the Tapas group?

The Cleaner seeing Madeleine on Sunday?

Or the Public Relations Woman at Breakfast on Thursday?

Cecilia Paula Dias Firmino do Carmo
When asked, she says that due to her work she knows most of the guests given that most of them visit the Millenium as it is the only restaurant that serves breakfast.

When asked, she says that she knows the parents, the siblings and Madeleine. She received them for breakfast on Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday, she does not know whether they went for breakfast on Sunday or Monday, as these were her days off.

She says that breakfast was served between 08.00 and 10.00 and that the McCanns would arrive between 08.00 and 09.00.

Source: https://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/CECILIA-DFC.htm

This seems to be a Credible Witness, has she been overlooked?
Or are there any real Reasons why we should ignore her Testimoney?

by AnneCGuedes 28.05.24 17:43

Same signal for (dried on the spot) blood and cadaver (whether a fresh or an old one, which is puzzling because the VOCs composition changes with time). Eddie's first alert was at the corner of the bedroom cupboard. Very precious signal since, as Keela didn't alert there, it was for sure cadaver scent (M's ?).

by **Jill Havern** 28.05.24 17:55

Thank you Anne....so, because Keela also alerted behind the sofa, Eddie could have been alerting to blood also.

Which means Maddie could have had the accident on Sunday as per the MMRG, but didn't die until the Wednesday as per Mr Stellander...so we could both be right.

But now what about Cecilia Paula Dias Firmino do Carmo who claims to have seen Maddie on the Thursday?

I'll bet @HiDeHo has made a video about her somewhere...

by **sharonl** 28.05.24 18:12

Jill Havern wrote:Thank you Anne....so, because Keela also alerted behind the sofa, Eddie could have been alerting to blood also.

Which means Maddie could have had the accident on Sunday as per the MMRG, but didn't die until the Wednesday as per Mr Stellander...so we could both be right.

But now what about Cecilia Paula Dias Firmino do Carmo who claims to have seen Maddie on the Thursday?

I'll bet @HiDeHo has made a video about her somewhere...

There were a few things that point to this scenario.

Rachael's quote about them being medics who could resuscitate a child
Claims that Russell O'Brien was caring for Madeleine in his apartment
At least one of the group being absent from the table every night

But then, how did Madeleines' corpse end up behind the McCann's sofa? Unless of course, there was a swap of apartments.

by crusader 28.05.24 18:13

So if Madeleine had an accident on Sunday afternoon/evening, and died on Wednesday, who was staying in looking after her?
I can't believe they would leave a sick child with anyone while they carried on with their tennis/jogging activities.

by Cake Lover 28.05.24 18:18

I can; didn't one couple go out in the evening and leave a sick child in the apartment?

by Ladyinred 28.05.24 18:24

Jill Havern wrote:Thank you Anne....so, because Keela also alerted behind the sofa, Eddie could have been alerting to blood also.

Which means Maddie could have had the accident on Sunday as per the MMRG, but didn't die until the Wednesday as per Mr Stellander...so we could both be right.

But now what about Cecilia Paula Dias Firmino do Carmo who claims to have seen Maddie on the Thursday?

I'll bet @HiDeHo has made a video about her somewhere...

HiDeHo suggests it was a case of mistaken identity.

by **Jill Havern** 28.05.24 18:28

sharonl wrote:But then, how did Madeleines' corpse end up behind the McCann's sofa? Unless of course, there was a swap of apartments.

Was it a corpse, though, or a very injured Maddie (on Sunday) as Eddie could have alerted to blood, not cadaver - which is why she wasn't seen during the week...then died on Wednesday.
But then Cecilia the witness saw her on the Thursday morning at breakfast think

by crusader 28.05.24 18:29

As Cake Lover said, the O'Brians did go out and leave a sick child.
But Madeleine wasn't sick, she was by all accounts dying from a head injury.

by **Jill Havern** 28.05.24 18:31

Have you got a link please Ladyinred?

by Ladyinred 28.05.24 18:36

crusader wrote:As Cake Lover said, the O'Brians did go out and leave a sick child.
But Madeleine wasn't sick, she was by all accounts dying from a head injury.

I understood that R O'B remained with his sick child. He was also busy washing bedding.

by crusader 28.05.24 18:40

If Madeleine died on Sunday why was the Foreign detective convinced she died on Wednesday?
It was hardly a sudden impulse to wait until Wednesday if she died on Sunday.

by crusader 28.05.24 18:41

He only stayed with her after he found her sick at 9:30, they left her to go out to dinner knowing she was sick.

by Silentscope 28.05.24 18:42

@ Jill Havern - thanks! Lizzy 'HiDeHo' Taylor's input is here:

This is the list of everyone that 'saw' Madeleine during the holiday according to their statements.

Fátima María Serafim da Silva Espada (5A Cleaner's daughter) - Credible

Cecilia Dias Firmino - Receptionist at Millenium - described a shy Madeleine and saw them on days they were not at restaurant. - Therefore, not proof that she saw Madeleine...She may have seen one of the other tapas children

Jeronimo Salcedes - Tapas Barman - Admits to not being able to recognise if it was Madeleine.

Maria M A Jose - Tapas Cook - Described seeing Madeleine every lunchtime in the tapas next to the creche Madeleine attended, but Madeleine did not go to that creche so she was mistaken with which child she saw.

Luisa Ana de Noronha de Azevedo Coutinho ( Receptionist) - Claims to have seen Madeleine with ROB but his daughter was not in the creche that morning and looks very similar to Madeleine so likely mistaken.

Georgina Jackson - Tennis instructor - Was non specific about seeing Madeleine...only that she was part of the group for that morning.

Bridget O'Donnell - Jez Wilkins partner - Claimed 'all pretty in pink' for the mini tennis with the Sharks on Thursday...Madeleine's group played on Tuesday, so she was mistaken that Madeleine may have been there.

Miguel Matias - Owner of Paraiso - Was convinced he saw Madeleine dancing with her daddy and on his shoulders but we KNOW Madeleine was not there...he mistakenly thought another child was Madeleine.

The Boyds Their son supposedly played with Madeleine on the waterslide on May 3rd - They made no statement, just a magazine article that has many discrepancies about its credibility which I can explain further if necessary.

Catriona Baker - Non credible with her statement riddled with discrepancies as well as her trip to visit the McCanns in Rothley does not help with credibility.

Charlotte Pennington - Already accepted as being questionable with many contradictions and discrepancies.

Elisa Dias Romao - Claimed seeing Madeleine at times she was not there.(according to creche records)

Emma Wilding -Did not know Madeleine well and makes incorrect statement about seeing Gerry

Paula Cristina da Costa Vieira Cleaner - Saw them twice leaving Millenium about 9.30 - 10am - The didn't go to Millenium for breakfast

Alice Stanley & Chris Unsworth - Took children sailing May 3rd - Apparently no formal statements from them-

Non Specific comments that do not (imo) confirm Madeleine's presence:-

Jeremy (Jes/Jez) Wilkins
Stephen Carpenter
Daniel Stuk

Are there any of the above witnesses that REALLY DID SEE MADELEINE? I encourage anyone to show me one witness that, according to their statement, PROBABLY saw Madeleine during the week.

Some are obviously mistaken but the remainder (and there are very few considering she was there for more than 5 days) are questionable at best.

For those of us that believe something happened earlier, the statements confirm there is a possibility that she may not have been seen.

Read the statements in full (highlighted):
http://forum2.aimoo.com/MadeleineMcCann/Discrepancies-by-Topic/Who-Saw-Madeleine-Credibility-Statement-Highlights-1-780252.html

Source: https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t11921-was-madeleine-seen-after-sunday

by Ladyinred 28.05.24 18:43

Jill Havern wrote:Have you got a link please Ladyinred?

https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t11921-was-madeleine-seen-after-sunday?highlight=HiDeHo

by **Jill Havern** 28.05.24 18:47

crusader wrote:As Cake Lover said, the O'Brians did go out and leave a sick child.
But Madeleine wasn't sick, she was by all accounts dying from a head injury.

Yes, if Maddie walloped her head which caused a subdural haematoma, she wouldn't have necessarily died straightaway.

I hope it wasn't the case that rather than dying almost instantly from the fall, instead she lingered on for several days.

If Maddie was in severe pain from her head injury it could explain the need for sedation and the crying for 75 minutes.

There must be some explantion why she wasn't seen after Sunday.

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