Re: Norwegian ex-military detective claims to have solved Madeleine case

by **sharonl** 24.05.24 22:06

PeterMac wrote:Kate may be able to use ‘extreme physical marital coercion as a defence. We saw the bruises, read her book where she describes how Gerry held her shoulder and squeezed it while she was making her statement and answering questions,
we have read the part of the book where she spoke about “ending it all,” and “shouting the truth from the rooftops,” and how even the book is not the full truth

Kate said and did quite a lot that hinted at her wanting to speak out.

The open bible and contacting the PJ after a dream she said that she had for a start.

Didn't they have a relative to stay with Kate to keep an eye on her? Was that after she contacted the PJ about her dream?

by Cake Lover 24.05.24 22:12

She got through it all, though, while wishing fear and pain (or terror? I forget) on Goncalo Amaral.

by **crusader** 24.05.24 22:30

She didn't look coerced walking around Praia da Luz laughing and holding hands with Gerry.

by Cake Lover 24.05.24 22:42

Or jet setting. Gerry could have done that on his own while she looked after the twins. Who would leave their remaining children under those circumstances?

by **Ladyinred** 24.05.24 22:52

They put the twins back into the creche after Madeleine disappeared, while the abductor was still at large. Wouldn't you want to remain close to your other children after such trauma, or at least let family take care of them.

by **sharonl** 24.05.24 22:54

Actually Kate didn't shed a tear until September 7th when they were made arguidos.

They claimed that they were advised not to show emotion in case it influenced the alleged abductor. How on earth does someone just switch of their emotions in such circumstances?

Amaral must have been spot on, a cold calculated actress. One minute she was out and about, changing her earrings and laughing and joking for the press and the next she was claiming to be depressed and saying strange things like "I want a car crash so that we can all be together".

by **Jill Havern** 24.05.24 23:00

Have you got your book Sharon?

I've just about finished now...just reading the Afterword.

by **sharonl** 24.05.24 23:05

Jill Havern wrote:Have you got your book Sharon?

I've just about finished now...just reading the Afterword.

it's on its way Jill, I can't wait to read it.

by Cake Lover 24.05.24 23:15

I've been scouring Youtube all day, and there's no mention of the book yet.

by **Jill Havern** 24.05.24 23:17

sharonl wrote:
Jill Havern wrote:Have you got your book Sharon?

I've just about finished now...just reading the Afterword.

it's on its way Jill, I can't wait to read it.

Don't forget to butcher it into 3 parts where Peter has indicated...I started by reading the 3rd volume.

Now I'm going to carefully put it back together.

by **Jill Havern** 25.05.24 0:00

One thing I will say, whilst I'm digesting what I've just been reading, is that if any 'newbie' bought this book, and took about a week to read it all, then they will know as much about the case as we all do here who have been here since Day One, 17 years ago!

I need to go back and read the last piece of the investigation again because at the moment I feel it ended abruptly (it probably didn't) and went on to other things to tie up the 'story'.

If/when the McCanns read this they will know exactly what the FD is alluding to with the sites (plural, for different uses) he found as he describes them being caught on camera, even without waiting for the websites to become 'live' for the benefit of the rest of us.

It took the FD seven years (not five as I said upthread) to investigate this case, including his field cam work.

It is a bible, a reference tool, if you read it and take notes - which will make life much easier with the digital version. He goes into great detail about everything, absolutely everything. There can be no denying he spent years on that hill...it's no wonder it's going to take a website or two to show the camera images to us all.

Very well done, I say. I await the websites now to put it all together with proof.

by **Ladyinred** 25.05.24 6:21

Thank you, Jill and Peter, I'm sure from all of us, for reading the book and sharing with us.

What initially brought him to the case, and what lead him to believe that Madeleine was buried in that area. Does he discuss what he believes caused her death?

by **Jill Havern** 25.05.24 6:47

From years and years of research from many sites - but mainly from observing their own words in books, interviews and their statements, watching their body language. But it was Kate's own words, and the McCanns jogging behaviour, that took him to the Hill, and to various other locations up there..but also the behaviour of those he captured on field cam which took him to the next location...and so on...

It's the field cams that makes this book ultimately believable, and how he describes the behaviour of the 'Golden Nuggets'. It will be the website that cements his work, as he took hundreds of photographs and videos.

He believes Amaral's theory of Maddie falling off the sofa on to the hard floor tiles, possibly banging her head also on the windowsill...the floor being the fatal blow after the first head injury of the windowsill.

He does say what his theory is for the cover up of Maddie's death, not wanting an autopsy which led to the 'sudden impulse' of hiding her body - and it's not just the sedatives. We've touched on it many times in this forum.

Many of us on CMOMM believe Maddie had her accident on Sunday or Monday, but that doesn't mean she couldn't have died on the Wednesday as Mr Stellander believes. He does go into great detail why he believes that date.

But the date of death is not important at the moment, it's the reason for the 'sudden impulse' and where they hid her body. And the fact that the book proves there was no abduction. And where does that leave CB and the relentless quest for a patsy to close this fraudulent case?

The website MUST now materialize.

by **Jill Havern** 25.05.24 7:07

And also, where does it leave:

The Tapas friends
The Priests
The Met Police
Operation Grange
The Government
The German Police
Various other ex police officers who have pushed the McCanns narrative - Gamble, MW-T etc
Journalists, including Jon Clarke

ooops

by **Ladyinred** 25.05.24 7:09

Wow! Thank you, I've got goosebumps reading your post #133. Potentially this is game-changing.

The forum will be busy!

by **Jill Havern** 25.05.24 7:29

To give an example of the FD's investigative skills, he identified one of the 'Golden Nuggets' from the field cam by the close up of the veins on the back of her hand. He was then sat behind her in a cafe in PdL and as she reached down to stroke the dog he could see the veins on her hand. He took a photo and matched them with the field cam images.

He already knew the man she was with was one of the 'Golden Nuggets', because he recognised him from the field cam as he was facing the FD, but now he knew she was the other 'Golden Nugget'.

And so he was able to follow them and find out where they lived and, by making enquiries, who they were.

by Cake Lover 25.05.24 8:14

He couldn't have been any more forensic, going by what you describe. I really, really hope he has cracked it, and that the floodgates open. Seven years of work, while Operation Grange has done zero. To find Madeleine, and vindicate Goncalo Amaral would be an incredible accomplishment. I don't want to leave the house in case the websites go live. Thanks to Jill and Petermac for the updates.

by **Jill Havern** 25.05.24 8:32

A paragraph that caught my attention on page 823 that maybe Peter can clarify:

"I do however truly want this to be as painless as possible for the friends who stuck up for the McCanns and have lived with this lie for so long. We should not judge them as we cannot understand the pressure they were under as the case grew gigantic and global, with government officials coming down to save the McCanns and the Crown [my emphasis] from the embarrassment of the true story."

The Crown? think

by Cake Lover 25.05.24 8:46

He's very generous about the friends; I can't find any sympathy for them. I wonder if they were being blackmailed into keeping silent? By the powers that be, including the Crown?

by **PeterMac** 25.05.24 8:47

Jill Havern wrote:And also, where does it leave:

The Tapas friends
The Priests
The Met Police
Operation Grange
The Government
The German Police
Various other ex police officers who have pushed the McCanns narrative - Gamble, MW-T etc
Journalists, including Jon Clarke

The Tapas friends. Some Conspirators, and others Accessories after the event

The Priests. Accessories

The Met Police. Useful idiots Obeying Orders ? [ A defence disallowed at Nürnberg 1946]

Operation Grange. See above

The Government. Accessories

The German Police. REDACTED

Various other ex police officers who have pushed the McCanns narrative - Gamble, MW-T etc. Accessories, doing it for MONEY

Journalists, including Jon Clarke. Accessories motivated purely by money

by **PeterMac** 25.05.24 8:53

Cake Lover wrote:He's very generous about the friends; I can't find any sympathy for them. I wonder if they were being blackmailed into keeping silent? By the powers that be, including the Crown?

He is also very generous towards Kate, recognising what the accidental death did to her as a mother, and then what the cover up did to her, physically, and then gnawing away at her soul over the past 17 years so she has lost her chosen profession, and (rumoured) her husband.
The twins will also probably have left home by now.
University ? College ? Gap year in the Forests of Borneo ? Job in Rothley McDonalds "Would you like Calpol with that ?"
She may now be at her most lonely and vulnerable. A good lawyer could present a very strong plea in mitigation of sentence - for HER ! ! !

by **crusader** 25.05.24 9:08

Has the FD mentioned anything about the Smith sighting?

by Cake Lover 25.05.24 9:25

A good lawyer would have a hard time explaining the photo evidence of the joyous parents holding balloons and flowers, laughing themselves silly after Madeleine's 'abduction', I hope. Can they afford a lawyer though? Is this what they've been hanging onto the donations for?

by **Jill Havern** 25.05.24 9:25

#142 Yes, but I'll let Peter answer that because I tended to skip past stuff I already knew about so I could focus on his hilltop escapades...hence being able to read the 3rd volume in 2 days - the second day without the aid of painkillers big grin

The FD mentioned everything! He left no stone unturned, so to speak winkwink

by Cake Lover 25.05.24 9:50

His interpretation of 'we have a pact' will be good.

by **Jill Havern** 25.05.24 10:04

I didn't come across that bit - but it's probably in Volume 1 or 2, or possibly a part that I skipped past while I was busy on the Hill with Mr Stellander bashful

I'm sure he'll have mentioned it somewhere - as I say, a digital version will be excellent cos we can search for keywords.

by **Jill Havern** 25.05.24 11:04

crusader wrote:Has the FD mentioned anything about the Smith sighting?

Just checked the 'Contents' and there's a whole chapter on the Smiths from page 247 which is why I haven't read it cos I started at page 603.

by **Ladyinred** 25.05.24 11:25

This book's revelations and the consequences could be sensational. It feels like a volcano rumbling before the eruption at the moment.

I think the parents are still together. I have no sympathy for any of those involved.

by **Jill Havern** 25.05.24 11:43

Ladyinred wrote:I think the parents are still together.

apparently not.

Like Maddie, he moved on.

by **Jill Havern** 25.05.24 11:50

Ladyinred wrote:
I have no sympathy for any of those involved.

I can understand the FD having sympathy with Kate after everything he's read, and the investigation he carried out and the Spots he located - and what she did to preserve them. He clearly got in to their minds.

But, like you, I don't have sympathy with any of them.

This was taken just days after the FD believes Maddie was moved from the 'sudden impulse' hiding spot to a place on the Hill

Norwegian ex-military detective claims to have solved Madeleine case - Page 5 52125

Relaxed, or what?

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