Government officials well in excess of the norm were immediately despatched to Praia Da Luz on hearing of Madeleines’ disappearance
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Government officials well in excess of the norm were immediately despatched to Praia Da Luz on hearing of Madeleines’ disappearance
by sharonl 19.03.21 22:57
THE IMPORTANT PEOPLE WHO RUSHED OUT TO PRAIA DA LUZ AFTER 3 MAY 2007 AND BY FRIDAY 11 MAY 2007
One of the most extraordinary features of the Madeleine McCann case is the huge number of government and embassy officials, secret service and security staff, public relations officers, lawyers, private agencies with government contracts and assorted others who descended on Praia da Luz in the first week after Madeleine McCann was reported missing.
What was it about this reported disappearance of a 3-year-old British girl which appeared to trigger an action little short of panic from so many high-level people?
Likewise, hundreds of media journalists also descended on Praia da Luz, their editors apparently desperate to get every possible item of the latest news to their readers and viewers.
This article provides a useful list - but is probably not complete. MMRG has added names from time to time to this list as new information has emerged.
This article was last updated on 9 August 2019
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THE IMPORTANT PEOPLE WHO RUSHED OUT TO PRAIA DA LUZ AFTER 3 MAY 2007 AND BY FRIDAY 11 MAY 2007
This summarises a list of those known to have rushed out to Praia da Luz after 3 May 2007 (or on the case of Resonate and Robert Murat, BEFORE then). Dates of arrival given where known, all before Thursday May 10 unless otherwise stated:
Government officials
Robert Henderson – British Consul for the Algarve – immediate (persuaded Portuguese Police to allow the McCanns to wash clothes before seizing them)
John Buck – British Ambassador to Portugal (Lisbon), arrived immediately
Angela Morado – British Proconsul, arrived immediately
Liz Dow, British Consul rom the Embassy in Lisbon, arrived immediately
Andy Bowes, British Embassy Press Officer, arrived immediately
Sheree Dodd, Foreign and Commonwealth Office
Other staff from the Foreign and Commonwealth Office
British Police Officers
Glen Power, British Police Liaison Officer for Portugal, arrived 5 May
An ‘Analyst’ (unnamed) from the National Policing Improvements Agency, arrived 4 May
Detective Chief Superintendent Bob Small, Leicestershire Police
Two other police ‘family liaison’ officers from Leicestershire Police
Government security and secret service personnel
Staff from MI5 (unnamed)
Kenneth Farrow from Control Risks Group
Michael Keenan from Control Risks Group
Staff from government-supported private crisis psychology group
Alan Pike, Head of Yorkshire-based Centre for Crisis Psychology (CCP) (arrived 4 May)
Martin Alderton, Colleague of Alan Pike from CCP (arrived 5 May)
Public Relations Consultants
Michael Frolich, Head of Resonate, subsidiary of international PR company Bell Pottinger (already there by Monday 30 April)
Tricia Moon, Deputy Director of Resonate, (already there by Monday 30 April)
Alex Woolfall, Head of Risk for international PR company Bell Pottinger, arrived 4 May (helped to edit Gerry McCann’s photos before putting them on a disc for the PJ)
Lawyers
Staff from the recently-formed International Family Law Group (IFLG):
Michael Nicholls, barrister, arrived 11 May
Accompanied by a ‘paralegal’ from Leicestershire, arrived 11 May
There are references to other government lawyers having arrived
Top staff from Mark Warner (company that organised the holiday)
David Hopkins, Managing Director of Mark Warner
One of his senior colleagues
Interpreters
Robert Murat became the initial main interpreter for the Portuguese Police on 4 May. He had already flown out from England on 1 May. He was recommended by British Consul Robert Henderson
Religious Organisations
Rev. Haynes and Susan Hubbard mysteriously arrived in Praia da Luz from Canada on Sunday 6 May, to take up an appointment as the Anglican Minister in Praia da Luz. The Hubbards rapidly became very close friends of the Mccanns
Others
‘Hugh’ – Kate in her book says he would only identify himself as ‘Hugh’, he was brought in by Control Risks Group and said he was ‘a former intelligence officer, now a kidnap negotiator and counsellor’. He attended meeting with the lawyers from IFLG
OTHER APPOINTMENTS
Clarence Mitchell, Head of the government’s Media Monitoring Unit: According to the reply to a Freedom of Information request, he was appointed on Sunday 6 May to head up the government’s PR support for the McCanns, but he did not travel to Portugal until 22 May 2007
The government set up a very high-powered liaison committee on Tuesday 8 May under the Chairmanship of Matt Baggott, Leicestershire Police Chief Constable. It consisted of representatives from a wide variety of government departments and agencies. The government has refused to answer FoIAct questions about who those agencies were.
Government Ministers Gordon Brown (Chancellor of the Exchequer) and Margaret Beckett (Foreign Secretary) spoke to Gerry McCann in the first week. Tony Blair, Prime Minister, did so later.
Literally hundreds of international journalists were also there in that first week.
For discussion, please visit this thread: https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t13570-the-important-people-who-rushed-out-to-praia-da-luz-after-3-may-2007-and-by-friday-11-may-2007
One of the most extraordinary features of the Madeleine McCann case is the huge number of government and embassy officials, secret service and security staff, public relations officers, lawyers, private agencies with government contracts and assorted others who descended on Praia da Luz in the first week after Madeleine McCann was reported missing.
What was it about this reported disappearance of a 3-year-old British girl which appeared to trigger an action little short of panic from so many high-level people?
Likewise, hundreds of media journalists also descended on Praia da Luz, their editors apparently desperate to get every possible item of the latest news to their readers and viewers.
This article provides a useful list - but is probably not complete. MMRG has added names from time to time to this list as new information has emerged.
This article was last updated on 9 August 2019
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THE IMPORTANT PEOPLE WHO RUSHED OUT TO PRAIA DA LUZ AFTER 3 MAY 2007 AND BY FRIDAY 11 MAY 2007
This summarises a list of those known to have rushed out to Praia da Luz after 3 May 2007 (or on the case of Resonate and Robert Murat, BEFORE then). Dates of arrival given where known, all before Thursday May 10 unless otherwise stated:
Government officials
Robert Henderson – British Consul for the Algarve – immediate (persuaded Portuguese Police to allow the McCanns to wash clothes before seizing them)
John Buck – British Ambassador to Portugal (Lisbon), arrived immediately
Angela Morado – British Proconsul, arrived immediately
Liz Dow, British Consul rom the Embassy in Lisbon, arrived immediately
Andy Bowes, British Embassy Press Officer, arrived immediately
Sheree Dodd, Foreign and Commonwealth Office
Other staff from the Foreign and Commonwealth Office
British Police Officers
Glen Power, British Police Liaison Officer for Portugal, arrived 5 May
An ‘Analyst’ (unnamed) from the National Policing Improvements Agency, arrived 4 May
Detective Chief Superintendent Bob Small, Leicestershire Police
Two other police ‘family liaison’ officers from Leicestershire Police
Government security and secret service personnel
Staff from MI5 (unnamed)
Staff from Child Exploitation and OnLine Protection Service (unnamed – Kate McCann in her book describes them As ‘Forensic Psychologists’), arrived 4 May
More staff from CEOP, the ‘Director of the Forensic Psychology Unit’ AND a CEOP ‘social worker’ (arrived 6 May)
Staff from Special Branch (unnamed)
‘Criminal profilers’ (unnamed - attached to unnamed government security departments)
Government-funded private security firms
Kenneth Farrow from Control Risks Group
Michael Keenan from Control Risks Group
Staff from government-supported private crisis psychology group
Alan Pike, Head of Yorkshire-based Centre for Crisis Psychology (CCP) (arrived 4 May)
Martin Alderton, Colleague of Alan Pike from CCP (arrived 5 May)
Public Relations Consultants
Michael Frolich, Head of Resonate, subsidiary of international PR company Bell Pottinger (already there by Monday 30 April)
Tricia Moon, Deputy Director of Resonate, (already there by Monday 30 April)
Alex Woolfall, Head of Risk for international PR company Bell Pottinger, arrived 4 May (helped to edit Gerry McCann’s photos before putting them on a disc for the PJ)
Lawyers
Staff from the recently-formed International Family Law Group (IFLG):
Michael Nicholls, barrister, arrived 11 May
Accompanied by a ‘paralegal’ from Leicestershire, arrived 11 May
There are references to other government lawyers having arrived
Top staff from Mark Warner (company that organised the holiday)
David Hopkins, Managing Director of Mark Warner
One of his senior colleagues
Interpreters
Robert Murat became the initial main interpreter for the Portuguese Police on 4 May. He had already flown out from England on 1 May. He was recommended by British Consul Robert Henderson
Religious Organisations
Rev. Haynes and Susan Hubbard mysteriously arrived in Praia da Luz from Canada on Sunday 6 May, to take up an appointment as the Anglican Minister in Praia da Luz. The Hubbards rapidly became very close friends of the Mccanns
Others
‘Hugh’ – Kate in her book says he would only identify himself as ‘Hugh’, he was brought in by Control Risks Group and said he was ‘a former intelligence officer, now a kidnap negotiator and counsellor’. He attended meeting with the lawyers from IFLG
OTHER APPOINTMENTS
Clarence Mitchell, Head of the government’s Media Monitoring Unit: According to the reply to a Freedom of Information request, he was appointed on Sunday 6 May to head up the government’s PR support for the McCanns, but he did not travel to Portugal until 22 May 2007
The government set up a very high-powered liaison committee on Tuesday 8 May under the Chairmanship of Matt Baggott, Leicestershire Police Chief Constable. It consisted of representatives from a wide variety of government departments and agencies. The government has refused to answer FoIAct questions about who those agencies were.
Government Ministers Gordon Brown (Chancellor of the Exchequer) and Margaret Beckett (Foreign Secretary) spoke to Gerry McCann in the first week. Tony Blair, Prime Minister, did so later.
Literally hundreds of international journalists were also there in that first week.
For discussion, please visit this thread: https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t13570-the-important-people-who-rushed-out-to-praia-da-luz-after-3-may-2007-and-by-friday-11-may-2007
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Re: Government officials well in excess of the norm were immediately despatched to Praia Da Luz on hearing of Madeleines’ disappearance
by Tony Bennett 19.03.21 23:27
This is perhaps the biggest 'tell' of all that something really bad, something really wicked, something that must at all costs be kept secret, happened to Madeleine McCann on that holiday.
Can anyone on this forum come up with a coherent and credible alternative explanation for why so many top government, PR, police, lawyers and state security officials positively swarmed like locusts into that little village of Praia da Luz, all in just those first few days?
Can anyone on this forum come up with a coherent and credible alternative explanation for why so many top government, PR, police, lawyers and state security officials positively swarmed like locusts into that little village of Praia da Luz, all in just those first few days?
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Amelie McCann (aged 2): "Maddie's jammies!".
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Re: Government officials well in excess of the norm were immediately despatched to Praia Da Luz on hearing of Madeleines’ disappearance
by sequested 20.03.21 13:27
It was a dummy run for the Covid scandemic - to see how many lies the gullible World population would swallow !!
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Re: Government officials well in excess of the norm were immediately despatched to Praia Da Luz on hearing of Madeleines’ disappearance
by Jill Havern 20.03.21 14:02
That's ^^^ got to be the Quote of theTony Bennett wrote:This is perhaps the biggest 'tell' of all that something really bad, something really wicked, something that must at all costs be kept secret, happened to Madeleine McCann on that holiday.
Can anyone on this forum come up with a coherent and credible alternative explanation for why so many top government, PR, police, lawyers and state security officials positively swarmed like locusts into that little village of Praia da Luz, all in just those first few days?
This ^^^ is exactly what keeps us here!
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Re: Government officials well in excess of the norm were immediately despatched to Praia Da Luz on hearing of Madeleines’ disappearance
by Guest 20.03.21 14:24
sequested wrote:It was a dummy run for the Covid scandemic - to see how many lies the gullible World population would swallow !!
Don't be silly!
You're sullying probably the most important factor of this case, as said above ^^^ the reason why we are here fourteen years down the line and why we discourage time wasters and charlatans who come here to disrupt and for idle larks.
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Re: Government officials well in excess of the norm were immediately despatched to Praia Da Luz on hearing of Madeleines’ disappearance
by crusader 20.03.21 14:59
Looking through the PJ files yesterday, this caught my attention.
Correspondence on 27th Sept 07, to G Amaral.
Pages 2945 to 2952.
The Direcao Central de Combate ao Banditismo (DCCB) got wind of the possible arrival of certain Englishmen from an information gathering organisation (CRG) supposedly to clean places and things associated with the family.
Correspondence on 27th Sept 07, to G Amaral.
Pages 2945 to 2952.
The Direcao Central de Combate ao Banditismo (DCCB) got wind of the possible arrival of certain Englishmen from an information gathering organisation (CRG) supposedly to clean places and things associated with the family.
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Re: Government officials well in excess of the norm were immediately despatched to Praia Da Luz on hearing of Madeleines’ disappearance
by Guest 20.03.21 15:24
crusader wrote:Looking through the PJ files yesterday, this caught my attention.
Correspondence on 27th Sept 07, to G Amaral.
Pages 2945 to 2952.
The Direcao Central de Combate ao Banditismo (DCCB) got wind of the possible arrival of certain Englishmen from an information gathering organisation (CRG) supposedly to clean places and things associated with the family.
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Re: Government officials well in excess of the norm were immediately despatched to Praia Da Luz on hearing of Madeleines’ disappearance
by 8lade 22.06.21 23:16
What I don't understand is how high their support is; from Blair all the way through to Johnson, PMs have all backed the suspicious side. Pretty much every organisation beneath that point will just be following orders, not everybody acting in defence of the parents can know what's happened. The Portuguese have been leant on, the Germans are supporting it(I was expecting good things when I heard they were involved), this has to have very high level support and I can only think of 2 reasons for that both incredible but not unbelievable, only the Americans (from what I've heard) find this crime as astounding as we do.
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Re: Government officials well in excess of the norm were immediately despatched to Praia Da Luz on hearing of Madeleines’ disappearance
by Guest 22.06.21 23:35
I think that this level of support is what makes the McCann's so confident that whatever their degree of responsibility for Madeleine's fate, they are home and dry.
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Re: Government officials well in excess of the norm were immediately despatched to Praia Da Luz on hearing of Madeleines’ disappearance
by futureatme 16.08.21 12:59
I like the words dummy, gullible. But I would have added sheep as well. Knowing the future understands the past! Time travel worlds beyond what you know even Aliens are real. Look on my Twitter pages and see small examples of the truth. If you can't see it then I'm not like sequested way of thinking you are. Documented facts can't be changed if other's have copies of them at the time stated.sequested wrote:It was a dummy run for the Covid scandemic - to see how many lies the gullible World population would swallow !!
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Just months after Madeleine went missing I published info on the McCanns website some private some not of info they only knew. One part I gave them was published in Mrs. McCann's personal diary by the NOTW many years later. The McCann's Arguido time is running out.
As far as Covid run, well, Verdi's correct sullying facts aren't the way forward.
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Re: Government officials well in excess of the norm were immediately despatched to Praia Da Luz on hearing of Madeleines’ disappearance
by Guest 16.08.21 13:12
futureatme wrote:I like the words dummy, gullible. But I would have added sheep as well. Knowing the future understands the past! Time travel worlds beyond what you know even Aliens are real. Look on my Twitter pages and see small examples of the truth. If you can't see it then I'm not like sequested way of thinking you are. Documented facts can't be changed if other's have copies of them at the time stated.sequested wrote:It was a dummy run for the Covid scandemic - to see how many lies the gullible World population would swallow !!
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Just months after Madeleine went missing I published info on the McCanns website some private some not of info they only knew. One part I gave them was published in Mrs. McCann's personal diary by the NOTW many years later. The McCann's Arguido time is running out.
As far as Covid run, well, Verdi's correct sullying facts aren't the way forward.
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Re: Government officials well in excess of the norm were immediately despatched to Praia Da Luz on hearing of Madeleines’ disappearance
by futureatme 16.08.21 19:56
Oh dear, sorry. But your ad popped up in my mailbox and I forgot you don't like the truth backed up with documented time dated copies. Sorry I haven't got time for banter because I know what's coming and it's more dangerous than C-19.
I've never asked anyone to believe me. It's your choice. But facts are facts and an example is ex-PM Blair, President GW Bush, Obama, H Clinton plus media outlets NY Times and others like MIT got the info/warnings and chose to ignore them. Take the islands in the S.C.S. Even the Chinese gov. didn't know they were going to build manmade islands in the South China Sea back then. It didn't pop up until about 2014. I did and from the late 1990s, I warned Clinton, Blair, Bush Gordon Brown, Obama, and every US Senator what will happen. Fact. Don't believe, ask why not one journalist has ever questioned/ousted me?
The world is suffering Covid-19 and in 2019 only the Chines Gov. knew about C-19. Sorry plus little old me. I contacted PM Boris/gov. and on Dec. 10 2019 they got my Twitter account shut down for 4 months. Why do that? People have died because there was nothing to stop C-19. Why not humor me and just test it for free. If I'm wrong then I'm the fool. What had they to lose?
Well, the race was on and the first one to come up with a vaccine. Well, that history is already written, isn't it?
Fear. To save my Facebook account from suffering the same fate. On the 16th of Dec. 2019, I posted the same picture 3 times one after the other with new comments below. The first and third had the same biblical end comments for obvious reasons. But the middle one I changed to the future is already written. Meaning my pic and words had a clear warning virus coming tonic stops it. PM Boris and his gov mindset then were it will not happen, head sand hide. It took months for them to wake up it's real. When they did realize C-19 is happening they had zero means of stopping it until a vaccine comes along. But the truth/facts were Scottish all-natural Tonic is real and ready to go. It stops any coronavirus C-19 and mutations dead and it spreading. So why not test it as I offered it to them for FREE.
I'm not anti vaccines but don't lie about it. Blood clots, heart, liver, kidney problems, and the loss of protein via your urine are some of the documented facts withheld. Playing about with the immune system is dangerous for every organ even the brian.
The Gov stated vaccines stops C-19 and you can't get or spread it after the jabs. Well, that's not true. Fortunately for we who have taken tonic are free from the shackles of the virus and don't have any fear of becoming ill with it. A tried and tested fact.
If that causes any of you offense then I'm sorry for I can't for the love of me understand why. The truth is the truth.
I've never asked anyone to believe me. It's your choice. But facts are facts and an example is ex-PM Blair, President GW Bush, Obama, H Clinton plus media outlets NY Times and others like MIT got the info/warnings and chose to ignore them. Take the islands in the S.C.S. Even the Chinese gov. didn't know they were going to build manmade islands in the South China Sea back then. It didn't pop up until about 2014. I did and from the late 1990s, I warned Clinton, Blair, Bush Gordon Brown, Obama, and every US Senator what will happen. Fact. Don't believe, ask why not one journalist has ever questioned/ousted me?
The world is suffering Covid-19 and in 2019 only the Chines Gov. knew about C-19. Sorry plus little old me. I contacted PM Boris/gov. and on Dec. 10 2019 they got my Twitter account shut down for 4 months. Why do that? People have died because there was nothing to stop C-19. Why not humor me and just test it for free. If I'm wrong then I'm the fool. What had they to lose?
Well, the race was on and the first one to come up with a vaccine. Well, that history is already written, isn't it?
Fear. To save my Facebook account from suffering the same fate. On the 16th of Dec. 2019, I posted the same picture 3 times one after the other with new comments below. The first and third had the same biblical end comments for obvious reasons. But the middle one I changed to the future is already written. Meaning my pic and words had a clear warning virus coming tonic stops it. PM Boris and his gov mindset then were it will not happen, head sand hide. It took months for them to wake up it's real. When they did realize C-19 is happening they had zero means of stopping it until a vaccine comes along. But the truth/facts were Scottish all-natural Tonic is real and ready to go. It stops any coronavirus C-19 and mutations dead and it spreading. So why not test it as I offered it to them for FREE.
I'm not anti vaccines but don't lie about it. Blood clots, heart, liver, kidney problems, and the loss of protein via your urine are some of the documented facts withheld. Playing about with the immune system is dangerous for every organ even the brian.
The Gov stated vaccines stops C-19 and you can't get or spread it after the jabs. Well, that's not true. Fortunately for we who have taken tonic are free from the shackles of the virus and don't have any fear of becoming ill with it. A tried and tested fact.
If that causes any of you offense then I'm sorry for I can't for the love of me understand why. The truth is the truth.
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Re: Government officials well in excess of the norm were immediately despatched to Praia Da Luz on hearing of Madeleines’ disappearance
by sharonl 16.08.21 20:08
The coverup doesn't lie solely within the UK, it's much larger than that.
Tony Blair seems to have been the first to panic
Then we have other government officials arriving in record time
Mitchell is dispatched to control what comes out in the press
Gordon Brown is on a direct line to Gerry before he interferes in the case
Jose Socrates meets with Brown
Gerry manages to get to the White House
There's a press conference in Brussels
The McCanns get involved at the Leveson inquiry
Then there are the millionaire and celebrity McCann supporters
Then we have Brexit and it seems to be the same old bunch of politicians trying to thwart Brexit as those supporting this pair and those involved in Leveson. Why do the same names keep cropping up?
Then we have the likes of Clement Freud.
European Union
UK Government
America
PACT, NCMEC,Missing People,
The Media
The Celebs
The Tycoons
Football clubs
Leveson
EU Remainers
BBC
Child abuse
Covid 19 (conveniently hits after Brexit)
In the words of Rebekah Brooks (Leveson escapee) "We're all in this together"
What is it that you are all in Rebekah?
Apart from the obvious with Freud, Payne and others being involved, were the doctors aware of the forthcoming scamdemic?
Tony Blair seems to have been the first to panic
Then we have other government officials arriving in record time
Mitchell is dispatched to control what comes out in the press
Gordon Brown is on a direct line to Gerry before he interferes in the case
Jose Socrates meets with Brown
Gerry manages to get to the White House
There's a press conference in Brussels
The McCanns get involved at the Leveson inquiry
Then there are the millionaire and celebrity McCann supporters
Then we have Brexit and it seems to be the same old bunch of politicians trying to thwart Brexit as those supporting this pair and those involved in Leveson. Why do the same names keep cropping up?
Then we have the likes of Clement Freud.
European Union
UK Government
America
PACT, NCMEC,Missing People,
The Media
The Celebs
The Tycoons
Football clubs
Leveson
EU Remainers
BBC
Child abuse
Covid 19 (conveniently hits after Brexit)
In the words of Rebekah Brooks (Leveson escapee) "We're all in this together"
What is it that you are all in Rebekah?
Apart from the obvious with Freud, Payne and others being involved, were the doctors aware of the forthcoming scamdemic?
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Re: Government officials well in excess of the norm were immediately despatched to Praia Da Luz on hearing of Madeleines’ disappearance
by Guest 17.08.21 1:00
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Just this once I will humour you - for the first and last time I hasten to add.
What are you talking about and what's it got to do with this thread?
You need to justify your reason for joining this forum because so far your contribution is somewhat dubious.
I get the impression you are trying to sell your wares but here on CMOMM there is a strict zero tolerance policy for hawkers and circulars.
Pay heed.
You really are trying my patience but I'm guessing that's your intention.
Once more and you're out, I don't make idle threats.
Just this once I will humour you - for the first and last time I hasten to add.
What are you talking about and what's it got to do with this thread?
You need to justify your reason for joining this forum because so far your contribution is somewhat dubious.
I get the impression you are trying to sell your wares but here on CMOMM there is a strict zero tolerance policy for hawkers and circulars.
Pay heed.
You really are trying my patience but I'm guessing that's your intention.
Once more and you're out, I don't make idle threats.
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Re: Government officials well in excess of the norm were immediately despatched to Praia Da Luz on hearing of Madeleines’ disappearance
by futureatme 17.08.21 11:45
Sorry, you have totally got me wrong. I'm not selling anything and certainly not trying to piss you off. Please accept my apologies and if you wish I will disconnect myself from your forum.
I will try and be more open. I can't stop the info from coming into my brain. I've suffered this all my life and it was in the early 90s when I had to stick my head above the parapet and expose myself. Sorry, I should also state I'm dyslexic which makes it even harder to keep up with your posts. I hope you can understand how fearful I am of doing this publicly. When I sent those letters/emails and faxes I knew it would be looked alone as crazy. However, I was let the government know what is coming and used it to document the facts in those emails. In 2002/3 the CIA shut down my Hotmail accounts and a paid private website where copies of info were kept. I once had a visit from two men in suits. They questioned me and I closed up and became a fool. It worked and off they went. When I oped a new account futureatme. I sent an email to the CIA telling them isn't it, better to know the future rather than guess it. It's still open to this day.
I could give you many examples but I should show you the other side of what was given.
I watched the live death of Diana as the two men sat on the embankment with their pulse light gun. It blinds you and all you see is white light. Seemingly at the back of the eyes leaves a trace. At the time there were only two governments I knew of that had this classified weapon, so it wasn't publicly known about at the time.
I sent that info out into the world media, blogs, and its time/dated via Al Fayed Harrrod's contact info. I looked upon it as any parent would like to know what happened to their son even if it seems farfetched. But like on your forum, I gave other info at the same time to prove my worth for telling the truth.
Her friend Jill Dando's murder. I didn't have access to a computer so I sent two tape recordings of what I had seen. Not only that the info on it was contrary to some of the info the police in London put out via the media. Later they changed it to what was on the tapes. Documented facts. And, yes I have an alibi I was in Edinburgh at the time.
One other fact was the water running down the stone stepping stones. I couldn't understand what it meant at the time but I sent that info as well to Al Fayed Harrods. In those days all I had was the public library to look up places that have water running down steps to see what they wanted me to see. Years later a memorial to Diana was unveiled. Think about it? And, no I'm not a psychic or practice being one. I keep myself to myself. I've got enough problems to deal with, without people nipping my brain can you give me the lotto numbers and so on. One why should I and two the info comes like turning on your TV? When you shut your eyes you sleep, I struggle because it is like switching on a TV.
Now the relevance to this form. I did the same with the McCanns and they have had to change some of the info they put out from the getgo. I have never been nasty to them only advice that they later had to change to what really happened. Some of what is published on other websites.
That is all have been doing on your forum. So I'm not selling/hawking anything to your public. Nor is it a circular. It's background info to prove I'm real. And the question, if you look back on your form, you will see I asked the McCanns in 2007 when they asked me via their website Find Maddy if I was the famous Gordon Smith psychic from Glasgow. No was my response I'm not a sweet wife guesstimater. I deal with facts seen.
Many times over the years I have asked them why would you, not if you are really looking for your child, use my free confidential offer and meet me in a church in Edinburgh in front of a priest to explain my visions. Visions that later became facts in the investigation find Maddy.
Once again please accept my apologies for the misunderstanding and assure you of my best intentions at all times and on consideration to you I will stop posting on your website.
Yours sincerely,
Gordon Smith. futureatme.
I will try and be more open. I can't stop the info from coming into my brain. I've suffered this all my life and it was in the early 90s when I had to stick my head above the parapet and expose myself. Sorry, I should also state I'm dyslexic which makes it even harder to keep up with your posts. I hope you can understand how fearful I am of doing this publicly. When I sent those letters/emails and faxes I knew it would be looked alone as crazy. However, I was let the government know what is coming and used it to document the facts in those emails. In 2002/3 the CIA shut down my Hotmail accounts and a paid private website where copies of info were kept. I once had a visit from two men in suits. They questioned me and I closed up and became a fool. It worked and off they went. When I oped a new account futureatme. I sent an email to the CIA telling them isn't it, better to know the future rather than guess it. It's still open to this day.
I could give you many examples but I should show you the other side of what was given.
I watched the live death of Diana as the two men sat on the embankment with their pulse light gun. It blinds you and all you see is white light. Seemingly at the back of the eyes leaves a trace. At the time there were only two governments I knew of that had this classified weapon, so it wasn't publicly known about at the time.
I sent that info out into the world media, blogs, and its time/dated via Al Fayed Harrrod's contact info. I looked upon it as any parent would like to know what happened to their son even if it seems farfetched. But like on your forum, I gave other info at the same time to prove my worth for telling the truth.
Her friend Jill Dando's murder. I didn't have access to a computer so I sent two tape recordings of what I had seen. Not only that the info on it was contrary to some of the info the police in London put out via the media. Later they changed it to what was on the tapes. Documented facts. And, yes I have an alibi I was in Edinburgh at the time.
One other fact was the water running down the stone stepping stones. I couldn't understand what it meant at the time but I sent that info as well to Al Fayed Harrods. In those days all I had was the public library to look up places that have water running down steps to see what they wanted me to see. Years later a memorial to Diana was unveiled. Think about it? And, no I'm not a psychic or practice being one. I keep myself to myself. I've got enough problems to deal with, without people nipping my brain can you give me the lotto numbers and so on. One why should I and two the info comes like turning on your TV? When you shut your eyes you sleep, I struggle because it is like switching on a TV.
Now the relevance to this form. I did the same with the McCanns and they have had to change some of the info they put out from the getgo. I have never been nasty to them only advice that they later had to change to what really happened. Some of what is published on other websites.
That is all have been doing on your forum. So I'm not selling/hawking anything to your public. Nor is it a circular. It's background info to prove I'm real. And the question, if you look back on your form, you will see I asked the McCanns in 2007 when they asked me via their website Find Maddy if I was the famous Gordon Smith psychic from Glasgow. No was my response I'm not a sweet wife guesstimater. I deal with facts seen.
Many times over the years I have asked them why would you, not if you are really looking for your child, use my free confidential offer and meet me in a church in Edinburgh in front of a priest to explain my visions. Visions that later became facts in the investigation find Maddy.
Once again please accept my apologies for the misunderstanding and assure you of my best intentions at all times and on consideration to you I will stop posting on your website.
Yours sincerely,
Gordon Smith. futureatme.
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Re: Government officials well in excess of the norm were immediately despatched to Praia Da Luz on hearing of Madeleines’ disappearance
by crusader 17.08.21 12:44
Hi Gordon, have you anything to tell us about what happened to Madeleine?
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Re: Government officials well in excess of the norm were immediately despatched to Praia Da Luz on hearing of Madeleines’ disappearance
by Guest 17.08.21 12:52
OK, you've had your chance to prove your worth here on CMOMM. Epic failure if I might say, although highly Bondesque and at the same time comedic.
Time, no we've gone beyond that, you took your mystic fantasy world elsewhere.
Don't say you weren't warned. Oh no, you no doubt predicted your own destiny here on CMOMM.
I will leave your inspirational works of art here for a short while, just so there is no future misunderstanding - before moving to garbage.
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Re: Government officials well in excess of the norm were immediately despatched to Praia Da Luz on hearing of Madeleines’ disappearance
by crusader 17.08.21 13:02
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Hi Gordon, have you anything to tell us about what happened to Madeleine?
I'll take that as a no then.
Hi Gordon, have you anything to tell us about what happened to Madeleine?
I'll take that as a no then.
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Re: Government officials well in excess of the norm were immediately despatched to Praia Da Luz on hearing of Madeleines’ disappearance
by Guest 17.08.21 13:18
The cloak and dagger - already revealed all.
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Re: Government officials well in excess of the norm were immediately despatched to Praia Da Luz on hearing of Madeleines’ disappearance
by Christina 05.11.21 19:23
This is an interesting post but haven't been on forum for ages - just now catching up.. Whilst this is crucial so too is who fled/left the night/s before.. Forgotten now so need to look everything up.
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Re: Government officials well in excess of the norm were immediately despatched to Praia Da Luz on hearing of Madeleines’ disappearance
by Guest 06.11.21 0:01
What is an interesting post, or do you mean an interesting thread?
So who did leave and/or flee the night before. Do let us know when you've looked everything up.
So who did leave and/or flee the night before. Do let us know when you've looked everything up.
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Government Help
by Astra 24.04.22 12:14
I have always wondered with all the help they had, why didn't they just totally keep it all quiet, if Madeline died earlier in the week, they could of done this surely?sharonl wrote:THE IMPORTANT PEOPLE WHO RUSHED OUT TO PRAIA DA LUZ AFTER 3 MAY 2007 AND BY FRIDAY 11 MAY 2007
One of the most extraordinary features of the Madeleine McCann case is the huge number of government and embassy officials, secret service and security staff, public relations officers, lawyers, private agencies with government contracts and assorted others who descended on Praia da Luz in the first week after Madeleine McCann was reported missing.
What was it about this reported disappearance of a 3-year-old British girl which appeared to trigger an action little short of panic from so many high-level people?
Likewise, hundreds of media journalists also descended on Praia da Luz, their editors apparently desperate to get every possible item of the latest news to their readers and viewers.
This article provides a useful list - but is probably not complete. MMRG has added names from time to time to this list as new information has emerged.
This article was last updated on 9 August 2019
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THE IMPORTANT PEOPLE WHO RUSHED OUT TO PRAIA DA LUZ AFTER 3 MAY 2007 AND BY FRIDAY 11 MAY 2007
This summarises a list of those known to have rushed out to Praia da Luz after 3 May 2007 (or on the case of Resonate and Robert Murat, BEFORE then). Dates of arrival given where known, all before Thursday May 10 unless otherwise stated:
Government officials
Robert Henderson – British Consul for the Algarve – immediate (persuaded Portuguese Police to allow the McCanns to wash clothes before seizing them)
John Buck – British Ambassador to Portugal (Lisbon), arrived immediately
Angela Morado – British Proconsul, arrived immediately
Liz Dow, British Consul rom the Embassy in Lisbon, arrived immediately
Andy Bowes, British Embassy Press Officer, arrived immediately
Sheree Dodd, Foreign and Commonwealth Office
Other staff from the Foreign and Commonwealth Office
British Police Officers
Glen Power, British Police Liaison Officer for Portugal, arrived 5 May
An ‘Analyst’ (unnamed) from the National Policing Improvements Agency, arrived 4 May
Detective Chief Superintendent Bob Small, Leicestershire Police
Two other police ‘family liaison’ officers from Leicestershire Police
Government security and secret service personnel
Staff from MI5 (unnamed)Staff from Child Exploitation and OnLine Protection Service (unnamed – Kate McCann in her book describes them As ‘Forensic Psychologists’), arrived 4 MayMore staff from CEOP, the ‘Director of the Forensic Psychology Unit’ AND a CEOP ‘social worker’ (arrived 6 May)Staff from Special Branch (unnamed)‘Criminal profilers’ (unnamed - attached to unnamed government security departments)Government-funded private security firms
Kenneth Farrow from Control Risks Group
Michael Keenan from Control Risks Group
Staff from government-supported private crisis psychology group
Alan Pike, Head of Yorkshire-based Centre for Crisis Psychology (CCP) (arrived 4 May)
Martin Alderton, Colleague of Alan Pike from CCP (arrived 5 May)
Public Relations Consultants
Michael Frolich, Head of Resonate, subsidiary of international PR company Bell Pottinger (already there by Monday 30 April)
Tricia Moon, Deputy Director of Resonate, (already there by Monday 30 April)
Alex Woolfall, Head of Risk for international PR company Bell Pottinger, arrived 4 May (helped to edit Gerry McCann’s photos before putting them on a disc for the PJ)
Lawyers
Staff from the recently-formed International Family Law Group (IFLG):
Michael Nicholls, barrister, arrived 11 May
Accompanied by a ‘paralegal’ from Leicestershire, arrived 11 May
There are references to other government lawyers having arrived
Top staff from Mark Warner (company that organised the holiday)
David Hopkins, Managing Director of Mark Warner
One of his senior colleagues
Interpreters
Robert Murat became the initial main interpreter for the Portuguese Police on 4 May. He had already flown out from England on 1 May. He was recommended by British Consul Robert Henderson
Religious Organisations
Rev. Haynes and Susan Hubbard mysteriously arrived in Praia da Luz from Canada on Sunday 6 May, to take up an appointment as the Anglican Minister in Praia da Luz. The Hubbards rapidly became very close friends of the Mccanns
Others
‘Hugh’ – Kate in her book says he would only identify himself as ‘Hugh’, he was brought in by Control Risks Group and said he was ‘a former intelligence officer, now a kidnap negotiator and counsellor’. He attended meeting with the lawyers from IFLG
OTHER APPOINTMENTS
Clarence Mitchell, Head of the government’s Media Monitoring Unit: According to the reply to a Freedom of Information request, he was appointed on Sunday 6 May to head up the government’s PR support for the McCanns, but he did not travel to Portugal until 22 May 2007
The government set up a very high-powered liaison committee on Tuesday 8 May under the Chairmanship of Matt Baggott, Leicestershire Police Chief Constable. It consisted of representatives from a wide variety of government departments and agencies. The government has refused to answer FoIAct questions about who those agencies were.
Government Ministers Gordon Brown (Chancellor of the Exchequer) and Margaret Beckett (Foreign Secretary) spoke to Gerry McCann in the first week. Tony Blair, Prime Minister, did so later.
Literally hundreds of international journalists were also there in that first week.
For discussion, please visit this thread: https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t13570-the-important-people-who-rushed-out-to-praia-da-luz-after-3-may-2007-and-by-friday-11-may-2007
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Famous People Involved
by Astra 24.04.22 12:19
Tony Bennett wrote: I believe because famous people were involved, but as my previous post, why didn't they keep it a totall coverup and not tell the public at all.
This is perhaps the biggest 'tell' of all that something really bad, something really wicked, something that must at all costs be kept secret, happened to Madeleine McCann on that holiday.
Can anyone on this forum come up with a coherent and credible alternative explanation for why so many top government, PR, police, lawyers and state security officials positively swarmed like locusts into that little village of Praia da Luz, all in just those first few days?
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Covid Scamdemic
by Astra 24.04.22 12:21
Well most people have fallen for this Bullshit, and had the Jab.sequested wrote:It was a dummy run for the Covid scandemic - to see how many lies the gullible World population would swallow !!
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Re: Government officials well in excess of the norm were immediately despatched to Praia Da Luz on hearing of Madeleines’ disappearance
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Re: Government officials well in excess of the norm were immediately despatched to Praia Da Luz on hearing of Madeleines’ disappearance
by Hemoglobin 13.05.22 0:11
There are several things that seem to contradict each other about this case, so I think we have to accept that whatever the truth is is likely to be fairly improbable, once we've eliminated the impossible or absurdly improbable.
If we take the view that a stranger kidnap is absurdly improbable, for all the reasons about the window, the shutters, the dogs, etc etc, I think we also have to accept that at least nine people voluntarily going along with a cover-up because they were guilty of a shared criminal or taboo activity that would come out (child sex abuse, sedation, anything) is also absurdly improbable. Somebody would crack - it's just how people are.
So what are we left with, which would also would explain the unprecedented 'national security' interest and British interference in the investigation without ever finding a body or even a credible lead? Only really that Madeleine died either at the hands of someone who should have been protecting her or that they found her dead, and the tapas 9 and others were given NO CHOICE but to go along with the abduction hoax for all this time. What is the only thing that could really ensure such a large group of people decide to take a secret to the grave? Really only a credible threat coming from high up that they or their families would come to a bad end if they didn't do and say exactly what was asked of them. They don't have to all be a paedophiles, all sedators, etc. Only one person has to know information so sensitive (about whatever subject) that this person could persuade high level British officials to assist with the fake abduction and to threaten the others. This person (most likely to be one of the parents) doesn't even have to have been doing something extremely sinister to Madeleine. It is enough that when she died at their hand/hand of their spouse/when they 'found her', whatever happened or the presence of the body would be enough for them to lose their career, for them or their spouse to be sent to prison, or for them to lose their other children to care. Weighing this up, all they would have to do would be to speak to their 'handler' who told/worked with them on whatever secret sensitive information they know, and threaten to release the information unless their handler used their connections to make sure British services covered everything up, including threatening the tapas 9 with dire consequences if any of them ever spoke about what they knew.
Gerry challenged people to find Madeleine's body, implying that they never will. Why was he so sure of this, as stranger abductions often end with a body being found? Because he knows that Madeleine's body was probably cremated even before Kate raised the alarm. It might well have even been something mundane and sad that caused Madeleine's death, but whatever it was, the risks to the person who killed her/found her of her body being found were too great, so they decided to use their insurance policy and bring in the big guns to clean up and then create the largest abduction hoax the world has ever seen. I can't make sense of it any other way.
If we take the view that a stranger kidnap is absurdly improbable, for all the reasons about the window, the shutters, the dogs, etc etc, I think we also have to accept that at least nine people voluntarily going along with a cover-up because they were guilty of a shared criminal or taboo activity that would come out (child sex abuse, sedation, anything) is also absurdly improbable. Somebody would crack - it's just how people are.
So what are we left with, which would also would explain the unprecedented 'national security' interest and British interference in the investigation without ever finding a body or even a credible lead? Only really that Madeleine died either at the hands of someone who should have been protecting her or that they found her dead, and the tapas 9 and others were given NO CHOICE but to go along with the abduction hoax for all this time. What is the only thing that could really ensure such a large group of people decide to take a secret to the grave? Really only a credible threat coming from high up that they or their families would come to a bad end if they didn't do and say exactly what was asked of them. They don't have to all be a paedophiles, all sedators, etc. Only one person has to know information so sensitive (about whatever subject) that this person could persuade high level British officials to assist with the fake abduction and to threaten the others. This person (most likely to be one of the parents) doesn't even have to have been doing something extremely sinister to Madeleine. It is enough that when she died at their hand/hand of their spouse/when they 'found her', whatever happened or the presence of the body would be enough for them to lose their career, for them or their spouse to be sent to prison, or for them to lose their other children to care. Weighing this up, all they would have to do would be to speak to their 'handler' who told/worked with them on whatever secret sensitive information they know, and threaten to release the information unless their handler used their connections to make sure British services covered everything up, including threatening the tapas 9 with dire consequences if any of them ever spoke about what they knew.
Gerry challenged people to find Madeleine's body, implying that they never will. Why was he so sure of this, as stranger abductions often end with a body being found? Because he knows that Madeleine's body was probably cremated even before Kate raised the alarm. It might well have even been something mundane and sad that caused Madeleine's death, but whatever it was, the risks to the person who killed her/found her of her body being found were too great, so they decided to use their insurance policy and bring in the big guns to clean up and then create the largest abduction hoax the world has ever seen. I can't make sense of it any other way.
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Re: Government officials well in excess of the norm were immediately despatched to Praia Da Luz on hearing of Madeleines’ disappearance
by Guest 13.05.22 1:08
And thank you again Hobgoblin for bringing this important thread back on top.
Your commentary has much food for thought.
That one person has certainly got a lot to answer to hasn't she or he and would appear to have much clout in the upper echelons of society.
Is this your personal view of the case 15 years down the line or do you have interesting inside knowledge you covertly hint?
Even now, this case is so interesting isn't it.
Your commentary has much food for thought.
That one person has certainly got a lot to answer to hasn't she or he and would appear to have much clout in the upper echelons of society.
Is this your personal view of the case 15 years down the line or do you have interesting inside knowledge you covertly hint?
Even now, this case is so interesting isn't it.
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Re: Government officials well in excess of the norm were immediately despatched to Praia Da Luz on hearing of Madeleines’ disappearance
by Hemoglobin 13.05.22 1:45
Just my personal view because I can't see how it could have happened any other way, accounting for the ramping up of the British 'people in high places' presence even before the 3rd, accounting for all the reasons why a stranger abduction couldn't have happened, and accounting for the mixed-up detailed convoluted stories of all the different parties while they are all clearly not planning on divulging the truth any time soon.
I'm afraid I don't have any inside information or expertise, but this is probably one of the unsolved things I would most like to know the truth about because it is so bizarre, convoluted and haunting - it's really something that you need Poirot to decipher to have any hope of getting to the truth.
My gut feeling is that the death itself was probably sad and mundane rather than sinister or satanic, as most sudden/unnatural deaths are sad and simple (an accident, a fit of rage, etc).
The more improbable elements involving 'the powers that be' would then only come into play because of one person's reasons that the body could never be found and his (probably rather than her) realisation that he had enough sensitive information to leverage to make sure that not only could this be achieved, but an entire alternative narrative crafted and made global.
The sensitive information the person knew could be anything from paedophilia in high places, to medical research or military secrets. His need for the body not to be discovered could range from protecting his spouse (fit of rage hypothesis), to not wanting sexual abuse or routine sedation (drugged accident hypothesis) to be discovered.
One thing I see in Kate's face is that her pain is real, even if she also seems to wear it as a mask sometimes. This to me comes across as someone who is suffering, but not for the exact reasons they would have you believe. Gerry is more controlled and controlling. He is suffering too but he knows he has to hold it together. This suggests he would be the planning, pragmatic one dispassionate enough to make plans and salvage what he could in horrible circumstances. Children need their mother/father, we can't have them growing up in care, they're all we have left, you/I wouldn't last in prison, I think I can get someone to sort something out, etc. It could have spiralled beyond even what he initially wanted/asked for help with - once the story went global there wasn't much choice but to keep building on the rather unsteady house of cards, which is where all the contradictions and unexpected actions come in.
I'm afraid I don't have any inside information or expertise, but this is probably one of the unsolved things I would most like to know the truth about because it is so bizarre, convoluted and haunting - it's really something that you need Poirot to decipher to have any hope of getting to the truth.
My gut feeling is that the death itself was probably sad and mundane rather than sinister or satanic, as most sudden/unnatural deaths are sad and simple (an accident, a fit of rage, etc).
The more improbable elements involving 'the powers that be' would then only come into play because of one person's reasons that the body could never be found and his (probably rather than her) realisation that he had enough sensitive information to leverage to make sure that not only could this be achieved, but an entire alternative narrative crafted and made global.
The sensitive information the person knew could be anything from paedophilia in high places, to medical research or military secrets. His need for the body not to be discovered could range from protecting his spouse (fit of rage hypothesis), to not wanting sexual abuse or routine sedation (drugged accident hypothesis) to be discovered.
One thing I see in Kate's face is that her pain is real, even if she also seems to wear it as a mask sometimes. This to me comes across as someone who is suffering, but not for the exact reasons they would have you believe. Gerry is more controlled and controlling. He is suffering too but he knows he has to hold it together. This suggests he would be the planning, pragmatic one dispassionate enough to make plans and salvage what he could in horrible circumstances. Children need their mother/father, we can't have them growing up in care, they're all we have left, you/I wouldn't last in prison, I think I can get someone to sort something out, etc. It could have spiralled beyond even what he initially wanted/asked for help with - once the story went global there wasn't much choice but to keep building on the rather unsteady house of cards, which is where all the contradictions and unexpected actions come in.
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