Re: Christian Brueckner: To be or not to be

by **PeterMac** 16.09.20 6:00

Perhaps not, but what Defence lawyer do you know who would visit the scene, speak at length to the SIO in the case and take possession of the DVD with the original files ?
Fülscher has been put in the position not of trying to refute his client's Guilt, but of having to prove his innocence. Brückner has been condemned by the State Prosecutor, but without any evidence against him having been revealed.

It sounds rather like a Mediaeval witch trial. Float and you're Guilty. Drown and you were innocent.

And your phrase is therefore apt. Fülscher has to resuscitate a man who has already been drowned by the Media.

by **Tony Bennett** 16.09.20 7:00

Fuelscher: "I praise the British investigation team..."

?????????????

by **PeterMac** 16.09.20 8:14

Which team ?
The first one who went there and saw that the shutters were not broken, smashed, forced or jemmied, who took off their silly wrist bands within 24 hours of arriving, and who recommended searches with dogs, and suggested concentrating on the parents
Or, the team that blew the Tannerman nonsense out of the water – in public with the parents present
Or the current lot who seem to have gone to ground

But I'll ask him

by **PeterMac** 16.09.20 9:39

It appears the British Press are still lying on behalf of the Mccanns wherever and whenever they can.
H. Fülscher DID NOT praise the British Police

[and that's an emphatic "did not"]

He praised the Portuguese. The PJ

But no British media are going to report that, are they.

by **Silentscope** 16.09.20 9:43

@PeterMac I have sent you a PM.

@Verdi No, I do not believe in Psychics, but I agree that it will probably be turning very Ugly soon. Please use PM if you wish so I do not out of a mistake delete your comments with my own.

I would pose the Question how far does the U.K. Government and the McCann Family want to take this? Up to a Diplomatic incident, with the German Press revealing more than they can afford?

Their choice.

by **Jill Havern** 16.09.20 10:34

To: ftr@mirror.co.uk
Sent: Wed, Sep 16, 2020 10:19 am
Subject: Andy Lines

Sir,
In your on-line article
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-prime-suspects-lawyer-22688679
you quote H. Fülscher as saying
He said:“I praise the British investigation team and,..”

I have spoken to H. Fülscher and am assured by him that he did not.
Quite the contrary, he praised the PORTUGUESE Police (the PJ) for their attention to the facts.

This is a clear breach of your own standards, as published on your web page
https://www.mirror.co.uk/about-us/

Verification and fact checking

We expect our staff to use their best endeavours to verify the stories being put forward for publication.

I fully understand that the British Press is under instructions to cover this dreadful case in a particular way
and that this report is simply following those orders, but I feel that I, a lay person, can check the facts so easily
it should not be beyond a Professional Journalist to do so.

Yours sincerely
MMRG

by Guest 16.09.20 13:37

Friedrich Fuelscher is making himself available for media interviews with any number of reporters - including Martin Brunt it would appear.

The German prisoner has not been charged with anything in connection with the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, he therefore doesn't need a lawyer to defend him at this stage. The lawyer can be on-call but I see no need for him act as a private investigator, gathering evidence in order to prove his clients innocence - by all appearances, that's what is happening.

Friedrich Fuelscher is fueling media attention through his voluntary interviews and video appearances. Without his contribution, doubtless this latest media frenzy would have died out by now. On the surface there are only two people who can directly benefit by this wave of media attention .... Gerry and Kate McCann.

Yet again, they have distanced themselves. Any other parent of a lost child would be screaming from the rooftops to get this latest 'suspect' locked-up indefinitely - or at least questioned and thoroughly investigated, even if there be only a remote chance he might be guilty in some way, connected to Madeleine McCann's disappearance.

What other lawyer would travel extensively and willingly court the media, on behalf of a client who hasn't been charged by the police, or even questioned by all accounts? Well, I can think of a number of lawyers who traveled to Portugal to 'help' the McCanns within hours/days of Madeleine McCann's alleged disappearance. Ostensibly, the McCanns did not need legal representation at that stage.

The McCanns too were desperate to get their hands on the PJ files DVD when released one year after the event.

In my view, Friedrich Fuelscher is behaving very unprofessionally but if nothing else, he's made a name for himself.

by **PeterMac** 16.09.20 15:37

His client is being publicly vilified and accused by the Prosecutor of something that in all likelihood did not even happen, let alone be perpetrated by him.
Under those circumstances he is using the only defence he can – That of attack.
And using the same medium, namely the press and publicity.
Much as CMoMM has been doing for the past decade, in fact, to counter the methods used by the McCanns

What it has done is keep the case in the public view for a lot longer, and give time for the various fora and social media to reconsider the case.
It has also allowed comments to be made in those red-top gutter press which still permit them.
A quick scan reveals the depth of disgust the commentariat feel towards the McCanns and their supporters.

by Guest 16.09.20 15:43

Tony Bennett wrote:Fuelscher: "I praise the British investigation team..."

?????????????

It helps to put the particular quote in context..

Fuelscher was at pains to compliment the professionalism Scotland Yard were showing in handling their inquiries but slammed the German legal authorities in Braunschweig.

He said: “I praise the British investigation team and, from what I have seen so far, I certainly think they have good reasons to still treat this as a 'missing persons' inquiry.

It is indeed the British police who are still treating the case as a 'missing persons' inquiry - not the Portuguese police, I hasten to add.

So, either the tabloid has completely misquoted Herr Fuelscher or Herr Fuelscher has forgotten what he said when being interviewed by a tabloid journalist.

by Guest 16.09.20 16:10

Silentscope wrote:
@Verdi No, I do not believe in Psychics, but I agree that it will probably be turning very Ugly soon. Please use PM if you wish so I do not out of a mistake delete your comments with my own.

No @Silentscope, I do not please or wish to do anything at your order, you seem to have misunderstood me. The moderators note was enlarged and emboldened and considerably longer than your post. You couldn't possibly have not seen it.

I repeat so there is no more confusion..

Verdi wrote:You are free to delete your own posts within the time frame allowed, but to delete a post with an admin or mod comment added, is not acceptable nor appreciated.

I'm sure you realise. Should a similar situation occur in the future, please contact admin or myself by PM before deletion.

In addition, I did not ask if you believe in psychics. Your said you wanted to post a comment but didn't know how without going off topic. I didn't understand your post but as you included a link to do with psychics, I gave you the link to a forum thread where you could post without going off topic - providing the commentary is within the framework of the thread. In other words, if you post a comment about baking bread you will of course be off topic.

I hope this clarifies matters for you.

by Guest 16.09.20 16:17

I wonder who's paying for Friedrich Fuelscher's fees and expenses.

by Guest 16.09.20 16:22

Nick Fagge of the Waily Snail is now repeating the errant accomplice of the reservoir story. With the customary embelishment of course..

Madeleine McCann chief suspect Christian Brueckner had an ACCOMPLICE, Portuguese TV show is set to reveal

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8739347/Madeleine-McCann-chief-suspect-Christian-Brueckner-ACCOMPLICE.html

by **Silentscope** 16.09.20 16:37

Herr Fülschers not just trying to defend his Client in Maddies case.
He is Fighting on many different Fronts due to many “Cold cases” being pointed at CB. Many are on Video and are known to the BKA.

As far as the Press or other “Witnesses” goes, it is in Germany an Offence to raise False Suspicions. Paragraph 2-3 apply.

Criminal Code (StGB)
Section 164 False suspicion

[size=12][size=12](1) Anyone who suspects another official or a military superior who is responsible for receiving reports or who is publicly against their better judgment of an illegal act or a breach of official duty with the intention of bringing about or continuing an official procedure or other official measures against him to leave is punishable by imprisonment for up to five years or a fine.
(2) Anyone who, with the same intentions at one of the bodies referred to in paragraph 1 or publicly about another against his better knowledge, makes any other assertion of a factual nature that is suitable for bringing about or continuing official proceedings or other official measures against him or her with the same intention shall also be punished allow.
(3) Anyone who commits the false suspicion in order to obtain a mitigation or waiver of punishment pursuant to Section 46b of this Act or Section 31 of the Narcotics Act is punished with imprisonment of between six months and ten years. In less serious cases, the penalty is imprisonment from three months to five years.[/size][/size]

Basically if you make an Accusation that you later cannot Prove, you can be either Sued or Charged.

Thou shalt not bear false witness - If you are religious.

by Lance De Boils 16.09.20 17:37

Unfortunately I have forgotten or overlookedmany things. Please excuse my lack of knowledge. Has this need discussed?

Is it the case that the PJ have actually re-opened the case?
If so, if it's re-shelved, do we get to see more files?

by Lance De Boils 16.09.20 17:39

I've also over-looked my typos. Oops.

by **Silentscope** 16.09.20 18:54

The lawyers of Christian B. (43), suspected in the Maddie case, resigned from their mandate after just a few days. The lawyers Jan-Christian Hochmann and David Volke did not give a reason. According to their own statements, they had been assigned the defense by the accused last week.
Christian B. is now represented by the Hamburg lawyer Johann Schwenn and his Kiel colleague Friedrich Fülscher. Fülscher told RTL / n-tv : "Christian B. is currently not providing any information on the matter and we ask for your understanding that we as defense lawyers do not provide any information"
When asked how his client was doing, Fülscher replied: "How should a person feel who is isolated in a correctional facility and accused of the worst crimes by half the world's population?" The lawyer also announced that he wanted to proceed “civilly or criminally” against false suspicions of his client.

SILENTSCOPE - There is No indication of who is paying for their Services, but it is ILLEGAL IN GERMANY for Lawyers to work for free. That is just fact.
Source: RND

by **sharonl** 16.09.20 19:33

Lance De Boils wrote:Unfortunately I have forgotten or overlookedmany things. Please excuse my lack of knowledge. Has this need discussed?

Is it the case that the PJ have actually re-opened the case?
If so, if it's re-shelved, do we get to see more files?

Or knowing that it was only closed after Gordon Brown did some deal with Jose Socrates, does that deal end with Brexit?

by **Silentscope** 16.09.20 19:56

@sharonl

I wonder- what would be “the deal” with Extradition after Brexit?

Harder or Impossible?

Playing for time out are they?

by Guest 17.09.20 1:15

And the beat goes on, the beat goes on .... la de da de de, la de da de da..

NEW BOMBSHELL Madeleine McCann suspect Christian B ‘had an ACCOMPLICE who helped snatch Brit girl from Portugal apartment’

Tariq Tahir

16 Sep 2020, 16:44

MADELEINE McCann prime suspect Christian B had an accomplice when he abducted the toddler, a Portuguese TV show claims.

Sexta As 9 is set to reveal that detectives believe the 43-year-old German had help when he is alleged to have taken youngster from her bed in Praia da Luz in 2007.

Madeleine was three when she disappeared while on holiday with her family in the Algarve resort in 2007.

Convicted paedophile and rapist Christian B was named as the prime suspect in the 2007 disappearance of Madeleine and is currently serving a one year and nine months sentence for drug dealing.

Sexta As 9 presenter Sandra Felgueiras says in the show, which airs this Friday: “German detectives have confirmed the suspicion" that Christian B "had an accomplice”.

Prosecutor Christian Wolters tells the programme he has clear evidence that Madeleine McCann is dead.

Felgueiras also speaks to Christian B’s lawyer Friedrich Fuelscher, who has promised to reveal a "big" breakthrough in the case in the coming weeks that will clear his client.

Fuelscher himself last week flew to Portugal where he met Amaral, who led the hunt for Madeleine and wrongly named parents, Kate and Gerry, of Rothley, Leicestershire, as suspects.

Portuguese police sources have said Amaral - who believes the German is a "scapegoat"- will help provide further information to support his claims he was not responsible for the crimes.

It comes as German cops are reportedly hunting a new witness who allegedly lived next to the Barragem da Bravura reservoir where a mystery note was left claiming her body had been dumped.

The man is believed to be an ex-pal of rapist Christian B, who is suspected of abducting and murdering the three-year-old in 2007.

Officers are understood to be treating him as a witness and not a suspect, reports the Daily Mirror.

It is thought he was holed up in a camper van near the remote 'Reservoir of Wilderness' which lies nine miles from Praia da Luz.

A note - found outside the flat where Madeleine disappeared - suggested that the three-year-old’s body may have been dumped in the reservoir.

The note, sent to a Dutch newspaper, is said to identify a reservoir as Madeleine’s "final resting place” and allegedly described the murky waters as a “perfect” place to hide a body.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12686118/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-b-accomplice-2/
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Always play your cards close to your chest - or you could be trumped!

Not only is Fuelscher unprofessional but he also comes across as a fool. Telling the world will not help him.

spin

by Guest 17.09.20 1:43

Verdi wrote:Not only is Fuelscher unprofessional but he also comes across as a fool. Telling the world will not help him.

The way these German prosecutors and lawyers have been behaving is bizarre, to say the least.

One says that they enough evidence to bring forward a prosecution, but hasn't done so; the other goes to great lengths to prove his client's innocence, when he knows full well he doesn't have to.

But above all else, we have a three year old child who's missing, and we haven't gotten an opportunity to know the full circumstances of what happened, because the media keeps going back and forth between what the German prosecutor is saying and what investigative work the suspect's lawyer has done over the past months.

This is not normal.

by Guest 17.09.20 2:08

Exactly!

Madeleine McCann is the focal point, not globe trotting or a battle of egos or personal vendettas or point scoring.

Sadly, I think Madeleine McCann was buried in the mire (metaphorically speaking) somewhere between late 3rd May and early 4th May 2007.

Since then it's been nothing but an elaborate circus.

Way back, when Jim Gamble of the Ce-Ops was asked to prepare an internal (UK) confidential report on the case of missing Madeleine McCann in 2011, he suggested that too many people became involved, wanting to help, leading to confusion and inevitable disruption.

How right he was - although not for the right reasons did he speak.

Maybe he sowed the seed of confabulation that led to where we are today. Just about everybody in a position so to do, has catapulted into the limelight with a tale to tell - people who should know better than to capitalize on the back of a missing three year old child.

It's nothing short of despicable behaviour. They should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves and their conduct.

Thank goodness for CMOMM and it's genuine members, only concerned for justice in the name of Madeleine McCann.

I salute

you all.

by **PeterMac** 17.09.20 7:55

The letter to the Mirror (and the intervention of a German Journalist) seem to have had the desired effect.

By
Andy Lines

20:59, 15 SEP 2020
UPDATED15:27, 16 SEP 2020

Fuelscher was at pains to compliment the professionalism the Portuguese Police had shown in handling their inquiries but slammed the German legal authorities in Braunschweig.
He said he believed Scotland Yard still “have good reasons to still treat this as a 'missing persons' inquiry.”

The original - now whooshed - read
"He said: “I praise the British investigation team and, from what I have seen so far, I certainly think they have good reasons to still treat this as a 'missing persons' inquiry."

So the addition of 'at pains to compliment the professionalism of ' has certainly beefed it up.

by Guest 17.09.20 13:35

Meanwhile the MP for the McCann’s Leicester constituency yesterday urged Portuguese and German detectives to “work together” to solve the mystery of Madeleine's disappearance.

Andrew Bridgen, the Conservative MP for Leicester, which is near to Kate and Gerry’s home in Rothley, hit out at reports the two police forces were at war over the case.

He said: “We need to bang some heads together and force the Portuguese Police and German prosecutor to work together for the sake of Madeleine McCann. It would be ludicrous ig disputes between agencies might allow the perpetrator to escape justice.”

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12684404/madeleine-mccann-suspect-goncalo-amaral-clear-him/

2010–present: The Borough of Charnwood wards of Anstey, Birstall Wanlip, Birstall Watermead, East Goscote, Forest Bradgate, Mountsorrel, Queniborough, Rothley and Thurcaston, Syston East, Syston West, Thurmaston, and Wreake Villages, the District of Blaby wards of Ellis, Fairestone, Forest, and Muxloe, and the Borough of Hinckley and Bosworth ward of Groby.

wikipedia

Edward Argar MP

Edward John Comport Argar is a British Conservative Party politician serving as Minister of State for Health at the Department of Health and Social Care since September 2019.

_____________________________________________________________________________

Andrew Brigden MP

Conservative Party party

politician and businessman.

On 9 June 2011, allegations of sexual assault were made against Bridgen, leading to his arrest in London by the Metropolitan Police and subsequent release on bail. A week later the allegations were retracted as untrue, and police said no further action would be taken against Bridgen, or the woman concerned, Annabelle Fuller, a former employee of UKIP. In a statement, Bridgen expressed his frustration that "such a ludicrous, false and unsubstantiated allegation" had received so much attention.

wikipedia

by Guest 17.09.20 13:46

"such a ludicrous, false and unsubstantiated allegation"

Sounds familiar - what do you think Clarence, ring any bells?

by Guest 17.09.20 14:42

Arr.. the "L" word.

Those were the days.

by **PeterMac** 17.09.20 15:02

The Portuguese could simply tell the Germans who Did It
The PJ, the State Prosecutor, the Court of Appeal and the Supreme Court have spelled it out enough times, surely even for someone very slow not to be able to work it out.

IT didn't happen in the way the two principal suspects and their 'friends' said it did.

As Kate herself said "It happened under other circumstances." Well quite.

by **PeterMac** 17.09.20 15:29

What a decade of lying can do to you.

Christian Brueckner: To be or not to be - Page 4 143

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Christian Brueckner: To be or not to be - Page 4 226

Christian Brueckner: To be or not to be - Page 4 323

Christian Brueckner: To be or not to be - Page 4 416

Is it worth it ?

by **PeterMac** 17.09.20 15:33

by **Silentscope** 17.09.20 16:18

I would like to see their Faces if they get “Doorstepped” by the German Media next week!

“Never - in the Field of world Publicity has so much BS been peddled by so Few - to so Many!”
howdy

You know what I mean...

by Guest 17.09.20 16:33

Madeleine McCann investigators dug up suspect's allotment in hunt for sick photos

German police officers started digging up the former allotment of Christian Brueckner, the prime suspect in the Maddie case who lived in a camper van on the plot outside Hanover

ByMilo Boyd

16:06, 17 SEP 2020

Police officers dug up the former allotment of the prime suspect in the Madeleine McCann case in search of photos they believe he may have buried there.

In July Germany investigators brought in diggers to excavate the garden of Christian Brueckner.

The convicted sex offender is now the prime suspect in the Maddie disappearance case following a police appeal for information earlier this year.

The dig at his former allotment near Hanover, Germany was sparked by an investigation into the disappearance of five-year-old Inga Gehricke, The Sun reported.

A previous search of a farmhouse in Neuwegersleben near Braunschweig in connection with that investigation uncovered child porn images.

Prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters told the publication: "With regard to the excavations in Hanover, I would therefore only like to add that the search was not based on a current, specific indication, but rather the result of routine investigative work.

"So there was no specific search for something special. Rather, as part of the investigation, all places where the accused had stayed for a long time were checked for the presence of any evidence.

"Since it was known from the past that the accused had already buried data carriers, this possibility was also considered and corresponding excavations were initiated in Hanover."

Mr Wolters would not say whether anything was found in the dig.

Brueckner reportedly used the Neuwegersleben farmhouse to store and repair old cars.

More than 8,000 USB sticks containing graphic child porn were also found buried on the property, next to his dead dog.

The German was convicted of possessing the images but Inga, who disappeared during a family picnic in 2015, was never found.

Brueckner lived above a basement at the allotment near Hanover around the time that Maddie disappeared in 2007.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-investigators-dug-up-22700144
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Geeez - give me strength!