Christian Brueckner: To be or not to be

by **crusader** 11.07.23 8:37

Helge B is not to be trusted, yes he can give police important info on CB about his criminal past but as for info on Madeleine, it's all made up.
In a previous interview he said CB would definately take Madeleine if he saw her when on one of his burglary rounds.
Now he's saying CB went with the intention of taking Madeleine because he went equipped with paint stripper to deliberately sedate her.

by **Silentscope** 11.07.23 8:44

Absolute rubbish.

According to Helge B’s own Statement to DC Mark ? of Op Grange.

“I was never friends with Christian, he was the friend of an Accomplice of mine, a Michael Tatschl.”

Handing over any Prosecution information to a Witness would be grossly irresponsible. Especially when the Defense is constantly being denied ‘Akteneinsicht’ allowed to see the same information.

by **Silentscope** 11.07.23 11:28

The Sun and its revelations are destroying the Process against CB.
By reporting a ‘Source close to’ stating that a person inside the German Investigation means to release Brückner and have him followed, and now wishes to reveal Evidence which should remain Secret to a Witness they have risked the entire investigation.

An example from an unrelated Case:

The 14th Senate of the Schleswig-Holstein Higher Administrative Court, which is responsible for disciplinary matters in the state, has confirmed the Interior Ministry's decision to temporarily relieve a police commissioner and former deputy state chairman and press spokesman of a police union.
This is justified because his removal from the civil service is more likely than not. There is sufficient suspicion that the police officer has committed criminal offenses under Section 353b of the Criminal Code by unauthorizedly disclosing secrets that have been entrusted to him as a public official or as a person who performs tasks under staff representation law, thereby intentionally endangering important public interests have. The Senate relied on two sets of facts – out of a total of twelve – and considered these to be sufficient. There is sufficient suspicion that the police officer improperly disclosed to a newspaper editor, who published, information regarding the release of a prisoner deemed dangerous and the protective measures taken in connection therewith, as well as information regarding the impending release of a police officer. Since the actions mentioned are punishable under criminal law with a prison sentence of up to five years, the maximum disciplinary measure – removal from service – is also possible and, in the specific case, also largely probable.
The administrative court had previously suspended the provisional suspension. Although it also considered the suspicion of a serious misconduct to be well-founded, removal from service as a disciplinary measure was not particularly likely (Az. 17 B 1/20).
The decision of August 21, 2020 is final (Az. 14 MB 1/20).

Source:
https://www-schleswig--holstein-de.translate.goog/DE/justiz/gerichte-und-justizbehoerden/OVG/Presse/PI_OVG/2020_08_26_Weitergabe_von_Dienstgeheimnissen.html?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=sc

by Guest 11.07.23 11:47

indeed by given these kind of files to witnesses, it is to be expected a witness can knowingly and even unknowingly starts to follow what is already known.

by that it also could and would be understood as training and instructing a witness, quite simple first year law school stuff about what you never can do.

and indeed it is not the first time the guy hb talks to the media, sounds great for a simple public. but the guy talks already from 2017 on to the media.

i think it must hurt a lot of reporters, you know the ones with the real investigation stuff pretenses, the missed that in 2017, all because they could not read greek, and google does not really favor it too. you have to manhandle google quite a bit to go beyond english. german, french are even a problem, google just thinks for you, you would not be able to understand other languages. and sometimes they are very right, but there are of course some way beyond that.

so maybe we have to feel a bit of empathy for the roses, the pisas, the jons, and all others, they have had actually 3 years longer being cashing in on this guy and his story, it was even retold by an english expat news thingy, and none of them found it, they had to wait until hcw found it time to send a guy from the bka to xy ungelöst before the could start bickering about it.

if they keep writing this kind of crap, they have to know they would not be on friendly terms with a certain cps, that has to get back from his holidays too. maybe he can just hurdle a sentence of two in before he is gone.

i do think talking out of investigation is everywhere not very good for your career, but they first have to know you actually did it, and it is a bit of a problem with the media, the press has in these same countries usually the right to keep their sources a nice big secret.
and they still have to get the reporter over a german border.

it also just means, we have no clue if there ever was a source, or it was just handy to invent one. sources would hardly make or break any trial, you have to id yourself before doing that. even when a judge decide your name did not have to become public, and that would not be a first, the judge would very well know who you are.

by Guest 11.07.23 14:32

crusader wrote:Helge B is not to be trusted, yes he can give police important info on CB about his criminal past but as for info on Madeleine, it's all made up.
In a previous interview he said CB would definately take Madeleine if he saw her when on one of his burglary rounds.
Now he's saying CB went with the intention of taking Madeleine because he went equipped with paint stripper to deliberately sedate her.

It's all a load of old cobblers.

Anyone who believes a single word of this protracted Brueckner saga must be living in cloud cuckoo land or stark raving doolally.

tease

Seriously though, a police informer? Pull the other one.

by Guest 11.07.23 14:56

and police informant means informer informs the police, not the police is informing their informer.

it looks like they write two different versions, and are already forgotten after each point which one they are at.

by Guest 11.07.23 18:04

The latest Sun report is proof in itself what a load of cobblers the fairy tale is - I ask you, who in their right mind on the international press/media circuit would consult The Sun on any matter of importance or interest, outside the exact dimensions of a Kardashian bum.

'Cor what a squelcher !'

Not so long ago Brueckner was being released from prison ahead of schedule, so they (whoever they might be) could covertly follow him about because, being a creature of habit, he was sure to return to old haunts, so say they - and now Helge 'the informer' Busching is taking them down the same route - apparently.

You couldn't make it up could you .... oh but wait a minute sarcastic

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by **crusader** 11.07.23 18:30

The Sun has become the "font of all knowledge" on Madeleine, unless you want the truth of course.

by **sandancer** 11.07.23 22:42

Truth and the sun don't go hand in hand !

by Guest 13.07.23 18:14

And the Sun Online understands police plan to hand a dossier on Christian B, 45, to his former friend in a bid to throw up fresh leads.

Christian Brueckner: To be or not to be Scre3992

Christian Brueckner: To be or not to be Scre3993

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by **Silentscope** 13.07.23 20:46

by bevcoffee 14.07.23 11:35

"2 who accused the McCann Parents; who's findings have never been disproved."

Keela and Eddie, were the two dogs who told the truth.

RIP Keela and Eddie.

by Guest 14.07.23 14:06

And it's all documented in black and white for all to read.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/

Why fly in the face of fact and evidence that is readily available - free gratis and for nothing!

It's so ridiculous it's embarrassing.

Still, it fits in the nicely with the alternative version of the truth..

by **Silentscope** 20.07.23 9:15

The Mirror

German paedophile was 'spotted staking out Maddie's apartment for four days'
The paedophile suspect in the Madeleine McCann case was spotted staking out her family's apartment in Portugal for four days before she...

On attempting to open:
We are unable to display the requested content in your country.
(They obviously do not want English speaking Germans to read this?) thinking

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/german-paedophile-spotted-staking-out-22141633

Obviously no

by Guest 20.07.23 13:47

it is an article from june 2020. i have no problem as german and english speaking dutch person to look at it.
but as it is very old news, maybe it is already on the forum, from around that time.
the mirror said they nicked the story from the sun.

it has at least the mysterious portuguese barman in it, that later became known as d.r.
i think it was at the same time we discussed about the meaning of all these confessions, as in telling to know what happened to madeleine mccann. if that was all and it could be, look at last weeks, just one sentence and his friends at the time know he did it. even hb could not bring it beyond doing an it.

well it is not hard to accept the cb figure did at least some its at the time, but we heard so much its, they even served us an it specialist. but what the it is meaning is still not outed into breaking news.

as far i can say, the ladies who looked say a blond it doing it, but they are as always very helpful in identifying all doing its. like the block 4 balcony ladies, who had talked over 11 hours about it to op grange, it is still believed they have still a back log in shredding all of it.

so it is not really breaking news. maybe get rid of your cookies can help it.

and if you are in berlin at this time, look out for the lioness it is on the loose.

by Guest 20.07.23 14:35

Who cares.

The stranger/s watching apartment 5a witnesses on and around 3rd May 2007 have been repeated over the years ad-infinitum - it's not NEWS!

From Gail Cooper to Jayne Jensen to Annie Wiltshire to Neil Berry blah

all found their way on the Netflix hall of fame.

There is no evidence or intelligence to suggest Christian Brueckner was connected with the disappearance of Madeleine Mccann.

Everything regurgitated over the last three years about Brueckner is built on past media and press reports.

Yet here we are again, focusing on an irrelevance .... waiting

by Guest 20.07.23 17:33

I had to chuckle reading this recently - from another source..

His boasting is going to be his downfall. This friend hopefully will let the police into the mind of CB. Why didn't Amaral wonder to himself how that man got into apartments to abuse children? Holiday makers were saying they locked their doors. He didn't bother did he. All he cared about was framing the McCann's. There was no evidence Amaral said that anyone came in through the window, put your interest into the door then idiot. The window could have been opened to let fumes out. If he used something to do with paint thinners or similar to sedate Madeleine. A detective should you would think go through all the possibilities. He's a business man CB boasted, well maybe he made a deal with someone to sell Madeleine, he was selling drugs he would know a lot of shifty people and other p.a.e.d.o.philes it was his dark little world. I hope something comes up to snare him one way or another.

by Guest 20.07.23 19:11

yeah, it looks to be a quite common disease these days. how to talk dirty without using facts at all.
well at least 'sommerloch' is started officially in germany, and they are quite busy with a lioness, and that must go very wrong, because i have seen they have taken dogs out to find it. and we know how untrustworthy these animals are.

so the northern parts of germany have no time to deliver the next friend, former friend, or ex of cb, and of course it is their holiday too. let's not forget that. it would mean the uk division of outspoken porkies have to make them all up by themselves.

it is quite silent from the southern front at the moment, i was just looking forward to a serialization of stone circles made by druids in the algarve. i already read a lot about the ones in the uk, scotland, ireland, scandinavia and france, i missed out on them in the northern parts of spain, but okay, it would be hard to get a better story out than old paddy and o'leary had in kenmare.

by **Silentscope** 24.07.23 17:33

Of course, no person has to prove someone else did something in order to be free of suspicion themselves.

The way it works is you (one) must show your case against your identified suspect, not demand that they prove it was someone else.

by Guest 24.07.23 20:11

you do not even have to assist in any way or manner into your own conviction.

it is up to the prosecution to prove guilt in a crime.

so i do not get where you are reacting to.

for the defense side there is no case to react on, no arrests, no charges brought. no news about any other charges. so the team can have their holidays too.

by Guest 25.07.23 2:09

It's all a matter of keeping the name Brueckner up front, as it has always been since the appearance back in June 2020.

Transparent and pathetic.

Question remains unanswered .... why?

Or is that obvious.

by **crusader** 26.07.23 21:39

CBs sinister camp next to reservoir by Jon Clarke.
https://www.the-sun.com/news/8225215/inside-madeleine-mccann-suspect-sinister-camp-reservoir/

by **sharonl** 27.07.23 0:12

Geez, they really are trying to pin this on Brueckner, aren't they?

There is no evidence in relation to Madeleine's disappearance in or near that dam.

There are no pictures of Madeleine in his stack of photos (if they exist)

There is nothing in that article to suggest that CB had anything to do with Madeleine's disappearance.

This is pure manipulation to brainwash us into thinking that CB is responsible for Madeleine's disappearance.

If CB was so secretive about this camp, why tell his friend about it and take her there?

Who would edge a pathway to a secret place? big grin

Is Clark drunk or what?

big grin

He created that path and circle with stones from the river? Pull the other one, for one, that path looks like it was already there. And oh, so secretive, no one would see him there in that open circle.

Who on earth would take a photo of an outdoor table and chair with nothing but a few trees in the background? big grin

Who really took this photo and when? More to the point why?

Is it a Jon Clarke special? If it was taken in 2021, that chair is in good condition and still in place?

And yet another anonymous witness - does this one really exist?
What a load of nonsense, but the what do you expect from an amateur journo spit coffee

by Guest 27.07.23 1:52

And then there is the issue of Brueckner collecting trophy passports from his burglaries - allegedly.

Christian Brueckner: To be or not to be Scre4030

https://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/5A_PHOTO_REPORT.htm

He must have been otherwise engaged on that particular occasion roll

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by **Silentscope** 27.07.23 8:50

Christian Brueckner: To be or not to be Img_0326

Maybe Brückner was having trouble getting past the front door lock?

Because someone stole his Lockpicks from his House BEFORE Maddie disappeared.

by **PeterMac** 01.08.23 8:46

It gets BETTER
Not content with looking for Clarke's 'pyjama fibres', or searching for a gun, or tapes, or "various other items some of which . . .directly implicate Brueckner [sic]..." [

Clarke], the articles got churned by the gutter press of the Europe and by the time it reached HUNGARY, a new revelation was disclosed.

https://www.origo.hu/nagyvilag/20230711-itt-a-fordulat-bejelentest-tett-a-rendorseg-az-eltunt-madeleine-mccann-holttesterol.html

BIG WORLD
The police made an important announcement about the body of Madeleine McCann
ORIGIN11.07.2023 08:13
As reported by Origo , the police recently seemed to be on the right track in the case of Madeleine McCann, who was three years old at the time of her disappearance, and who was presumably abducted from a hotel room in 2007, during a family vacation. The proven pedophile Brueckner is now the number one suspect who committed sexual crimes in this area in 2007. According to assumptions, he was the one who kidnapped and murdered the little girl, and the police got an important tip, reports Bors .

The investigation gained new strength because, according to an eyewitness, Brueckner appeared at the Arade dam on the evening of Maddie's disappearance and
THEY SAW A LITTLE GIRL WHO LOOKED A LOT LIKE MADDIE WITH HIM.

Thousands of pedophile recordings were found on the defendant's devices, and based on their examination, it is likely that the vicinity of the dam may have been the defendant's favorite place. Brueckner himself admitted that it was his favorite place, but he vehemently denies having anything to do with Maddie.

Because of the witness' statement, the English, Portuguese and German police launched a large-scale search expedition. They combed the entire dam, dug up the ground, and were confident that they would finally find the little girl's body. They seemed to be really hot on the trail.
HOWEVER, THE POLICE HAVE NOW CONFIRMED THAT THEIR MISSION WAS UNSUCCESSFUL, THEY DID NOT FIND THE BODY.
However, based on the Mirror's information, according to experts, the investigation has started in a very good direction, since criminals often hide their victims in a place they like and where they feel safe.
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Clarke clearly missed a good story there.
Brückner SEEN WITH A LITTLE GIRL AT THE DAM
That would have been worth another extension on the Kidman-Law house, to match the Murat west wing

by **Silentscope** 01.08.23 9:06

Is ‘Arade Dam’ the Hungarian way of saying ‘Alcossebre’ I wonder?

laugh

by Guest 01.08.23 10:57

they mean on that very dark night from 3 to 4 may 2007, the witness sees a little girl out there, in the little paradise without a lamplight. must had exceptional night vision. and was it into the druids circle or outside of it.

nice story line and indeed this one is even a class better than our very remarkable dear jon.

by **PeterMac** 01.08.23 12:22

And it is "ON the EVENING of .." so before midnight.
Which means CB must have taken Madeleine from her bed, trooped her – ceremonially displayed in the approved 'fork-lift' manner past Miss FlipFlop, Portugal 2007, and the father and JeZ W, placed her still asleep in the Jaguar/ VW/ Winnebago, driven the 50 km to the Barragem do Arade, woken her up, taken her for a walk, and then done whatever he is alleged to have done :-
between 10pm and midnight

We are now deep into "Clarke Fantasy Territory"

by **sharonl** 01.08.23 21:52

PeterMac wrote:And it is "ON the EVENING of .." so before midnight.
Which means CB must have taken Madeleine from her bed, trooped her – ceremonially displayed in the approved 'fork-lift' manner past Miss FlipFlop, Portugal 2007, and the father and JeZ W, placed her still asleep in the Jaguar/ VW/ Winnebago, driven the 50 km to the Barragem do Arade, woken her up, taken her for a walk, and then done whatever he is alleged to have done :-
between 10pm and midnight

We are now deep into "Clarke Fantasy Territory"

Is Brueckner so daft as to take a recently stolen child there when there were other people around?

Do people often visit this dam late at night?

What was this witness doing there?

Is is lit up so well that you could clearly see other people?

This witness is amazing, not only did they claim to see CB that night, they remembered exactly what the child looked like. Was the child awake and on foot (she would have been screaming) or was she asleep, curled up and not easily identifiable.

thinking

Carrots?