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Post by sharonl 10.09.20 20:10

Silentscope wrote:Only three possibilities for me.

1. They are going to Fit him up so good in a Court of Law, that we all have to believe it.

2. Or CB will be “Epsteined” and we will be led to believe it was him anyway.

3. He confesses that he made a Mess that someone else had to clear up after him.

Unless anyone has any other ideas?

I would guess along the following lines:

In attempt to frame a patsy and exonerate the official suspects who have a number of deals with the press via he who controls what comes out in press and following on from the Netflix manipulation film.

1.  They search for a patsy
2.  They dig up as much background information as possible on the patsy
3.  They locate people who have associated with him in the past
4.  They report that the patsy may be a suspect
5.  They get these associates to make accusations about him and report it to the police in germany
6.  The German police have to investigate as there have been so many reports
7.  McCanns get on the bandwagon and ask the Germans to also investigate him in Madeleines disappearance
8.  A media circus starts with the patsy being a suspect in Madeleines disappearance followed by many reports of what else the suspect is alleged to have done.
9.  The investigation into the other offences is falsely linked to the McCann case.

Watching a video that was posted on here earlier, Wolters says that Bruckner is being investigated for a number of cases but he would not confirm that there was any link to the McCann case.  

I would say that it was these other cases that Brueckner is being investigated for and the McCann case has been tagged on and blown out of proportion.
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Post by Silentscope 10.09.20 20:29


I would say that it was these other cases that Brueckner is being investigated for and the McCann case has been tagged on and blown out of proportion.

Possible, but the PJ and Dr. Amaral seem to have ruled him out of Maddies case years ago.

Inga G, Claudia R and many other “Cold cases” are being investigated because of him.
It is only because of the Telephone call and Bar “confession “ that he was linked at all, then other coincidences started to pile up when they looked deeper into his case.

The German papers had hidden CB’s identity at first.
Who printed his Full Photo either should have known /or must have hoped for something to happen to him.
Sex Offenders are the lowest in Rank inside the Prisoners system. 

Always get someone else to do the Dirty work if you want clean Hands.
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Post by sharonl 10.09.20 20:38

Silentscope wrote:

I would say that it was these other cases that Brueckner is being investigated for and the McCann case has been tagged on and blown out of proportion.

Possible, but the PJ and Dr. Amaral seem to have ruled him out of Maddies case years ago.

Inga G, Claudia R and many other “Cold cases” are being investigated because of him.
It is only because of the Telephone call and Bar “confession “ that he was linked at all, then other coincidences started to pile up when they looked deeper into his case.

The German papers had hidden CB’s identity at first.
Who printed his Full Photo either should have known /or must have hoped for something to happen to him.
Sex Offenders are the lowest in Rank inside the Prisoners system. 

Always get someone else to do the Dirty work if you want clean Hands.

Thats assuming that there was a telephone and a bar confession.
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Post by Silentscope 10.09.20 20:48

True, it has not been Publicly revealed who was in the Bar with CB at the time, but it is believed to be someone looking for a deal on a lighter sentence for his own crimes.

The other end of CB’s telephone call (assuming it was his Mobile) has still not come forward or been identified as far as I know.

Time will tell.
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Post by sharonl 10.09.20 21:53

Silentscope wrote:True, it has not been Publicly revealed who was in the Bar with CB at the time, but it is believed to be someone looking for a deal on a lighter sentence for his own crimes.

The other end of CB’s telephone call (assuming it was his Mobile) has still not come forward or been identified as far as I know.

Time will tell.

big grin Imagine if the recipient of that call turned out to be Gerry McCann
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Post by Silentscope 10.09.20 22:44

“Ask Mr MW THOMAS” on that one Sharoni! laugh
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Post by MaxHeadroom 10.09.20 22:50

Silentscope wrote:Inga G, Claudia R and many other “Cold cases” are being investigated because of him.

The correct term would be "have been investigated." All investigations into a probable connection between CB and the cases Inga G., Claudia R., Peggy K., etc., have already been dropped as the suspicion could not be corroborated. The only ones that keep embarrassing themselves with this CB nonsense are Hans Wolters and the Braunschweig public prosecutors office. And of course all the media who still fall for this nonsense.
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Post by Silentscope 10.09.20 23:02

There are no images of Inga G found on his Videos.
DNA in Claudia R case is a No Match.
I am not aware of the Status of the other Cases.
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Post by Guest 11.09.20 0:39

MaxHeadroom wrote:
Silentscope wrote:Inga G, Claudia R and many other “Cold cases” are being investigated because of him.

The correct term would be "have been investigated." All investigations into a probable connection between CB and the cases Inga G., Claudia R., Peggy K., etc., have already been dropped as the suspicion could not be corroborated. The only ones that keep embarrassing themselves with this CB nonsense are Hans Wolters and the Braunschweig public prosecutors office. And of course all the media who still fall for this nonsense.

Not forgetting team McCann .... it suits their long term agenda.

It makes me wonder, apart from the the media aspect, why this nonsense is being turned inside out here on CMOMM.

We are looking for the truth, not a substitute for the truth. We've been through all that over and over again in the past 13 years.

If sceptics want evidence to support what I say, just look at the media coverage of the case of Madeleine McCann over the years. In particular, the first 12 months.

Rather than concentrating on what ifs and maybes and supposing, let's stick to the evidence.

The German prisoner does not fit with the evidence. It was established by the PJ beyond reasonable doubt that Madeleine McCann was not abducted. The specialist dogs, Eddie and Keela were seconded to Praia da Luz to assist the investigation. Between the two, they alerted to the scent of death and bodily fluids. Any thoughts beyond that which might incorporate an errant stranger would have been detected years ago. Unless of course you go along with the bizarre theory that the entire population of Praia da Luz and environs, residents and visitors alike, were all in on it!

This is just another red herring - or breakfast kipper if you prefer. Creating diversion is what team McCann do best, it works every time - the evidence of which is proven by this thread alone.
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Post by Guest 11.09.20 1:27

'ONE WORD, GUILTY' Witness who started new Madeleine McCann probe says ‘guilty’ Christian B must ‘stay in jail for a long time’
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10 Sep 2020, 22:30Updated: 11 Sep 2020, 0:42

THE key witness who started the new Madeleine McCann probe has said of prime suspect Christian B: “One word. Guilty.”

Helge Busching, 48, was the first person to name him to police.

He was traced by The Sun to Corsica, and stood by claims Christian B was behind her disappearance in 2007.

The recycling worker said he hopes Christian B will “stay in jail for a long time”.

The chief suspect is currently in jail for drugs offences, and is appealing a seven-year sentence for raping a 73-year-old woman.

Busching, who knew his fellow German from their time together in the resort where Madeleine vanished, said: “He is in the right place at the moment and hopefully he will stay there a long time.”

In 2017, Busching was the first person to give police Christian B’s name in connection with Madeleine’s disappearance.

In a redacted statement seen by The Sun, he claims Christian B, 43, told him he was involved in her 2007 abduction.

Busching said the revelation emerged in 2008 when they were at a kite festival in Orgiva, Spain.

His statement talks about a “German male person, whom I know by the name of Christian”.

He adds how he will “talk in detail of his knowledge’’ of his connection with Madeleine, whose parents Kate and Gerry have never given up hope of finding alive.

Christian B, who has been convicted for child sex abuse, was identified in June this year by German cops as the prime suspect in the three-year-old’s disappearance. Officers also said they had “concrete evidence” she was dead.

Busching and another friend Manfred Seyferth knew Christian B from when they all lived in Praia da Luz, the Portuguese resort where Madeleine was on holiday.

Busching’s own previous convictions include assaulting a female beggar in Brindisi, Italy, in 2011.

Six years later he was arrested after trying to smuggle migrants between Greece and Italy.

While under investigation he was put in touch with Operation Grange — the Met Police’s team investigating Madeleine’s disappearance — and gave them Christian B’s name.

Greek media reported this summer that their police said he wanted to speak to British cops. Grange detectives flew to Athens to question Busching in 2017.

According to an internal Greek police report, Busching’s information was described as “given voluntarily and without monetary or other consideration”.

It added that it had been “cross-checked and is considered a reliable source”. It also revealed how Busching had tried to report his concerns to the Portuguese police but had been fobbed off.
'I HOPE HE STAYS IN JAIL'

The report detailed how Busching was in custody at the time after three migrants were found in his car at Igoumenitsa in Greece.

He was jailed for two years and released in 2019.

Met detectives and their German counterparts were investigating his claims before they were made public this summer.

When The Sun tracked him down to a village in Corsica, Busching said: “I am not allowed to say anything about Christian B but I hope he stays in jail.’’

Asked if Christian B had ever shown him images of Madeleine, he said: “Look, I can’t talk about any of this. OK? I’m not allowed.”

Before he left, The Sun asked what he thought of Christian B and he said: “One word. Guilty.”

It is unclear why Busching waited nearly ten years before telling cops of Christian B’s alleged involvement.

Busching and Seyferth helped convict Christian B last December for the rape and torture of a 73-year-old in Praia da Luz in 2005. Christian B and Seyferth regularly broke into apartments there.

The American victim told cops her attacker filmed the attack and appeared to get a thrill out of seeing her begging him to stop.

Busching and Seyferth are said to have stolen a video camera in Christian B’s home while he was in jail for theft. They contacted police after seeing the images and told them it was Christian B.

He has denied the charge and is appealing a seven-year sentence.

Friedrich Fulscher, Christian B’s lawyer, insisted his client is innocent of rape and has nothing to do with Madeleine’s disappearance.

Mr Fulscher has been in Portugal this week looking for witnesses who he believes will clear him.

He told The Sun: “My client is being investigated on the claims of two very dubious and unbelievable witnesses who are convicted criminals themselves and have problems with drink and drugs.”

Christian B is in jail serving 21 months for drug offences and was eligible for parole in June — with officials considering his request.

Last week he was linked to a sex attack on a ten-year-old German girl on a beach in Portugal a month before Madeleine was taken.

Hans Christian Wolters, the lead prosecutor investigating Madeleine’s disappearance, said of Busching: “I know the name, but I see no reason to tell you anything about this person. Hope you understand that.”

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Post by PeterMac 11.09.20 7:38

"It is unclear why Busching waited nearly ten years before telling cops of Christian B’s alleged involvement."
Waiting for a decent offer, perhaps ?

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To spell it out for those who are hard of understanding :-
The issue is not that there is no evidence that Christian Brückner or Raymond Hewlett, or Robert Murat, or Bill Brewer, Jan Stewer, Peter Gurney, Peter Davy, Daniel Whiddon, Harry Hawke, Uncle Thomas Cobleigh . . .
or indeed anyone else chosen apparently at random “DID IT” – 
The issue is that there is no evidence and anyone “DID IT”.
There is no evidence that ’IT’ was ‘DID’ in the first place.
In that place at that time in that way.


What we can be sure of is this –
Madeleine is missing.  This fact was reported around 10pm on Thursday 3rd May 2007

And it is worth repeating as often as we can, so that everyone remembers and understands; 
the only people who insist that Madeleine was abducted by a paedophile are the principal suspects – the parents – and neither they, nor any of the people who have supported them in this story over the past 13 years are able to point to a single piece of what any rational person would term ‘evidence’, nor to provide a coherent scenario how “IT” might have been performed, or in which “IT” might have been achieved within the parameters so rigidly set by the principal suspects – the parents - themselves.


And if that is correct they we may tentatively suggest that Operation Grange and the Bundeskriminalamt –the German FBI / CID, (the BKA) might spend their time more productively hunting Unicorns.
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Post by Silentscope 11.09.20 10:42

Funny how the Sun “tracked him down” when Herr Fulscher was not even sure who he is?

It seems the German papers are now Qouting the Sun, instead of the other way round.

More “Rollox” maybe?
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Post by Tony Bennett 11.09.20 11:47

PeterMac wrote:
And if that is correct they we may tentatively suggest that Operation Grange and the Bundeskriminalamt –the German FBI / CID, (the BKA) might spend their time more productively hunting Unicorns.

There is a very great deal of misunderstanding about the identity of the unicorn. 

Can I clear this up?

The Bible speaks of unicorns. So did many ancient societies, who also spoke of the 'one-horned beast'.

Here is the unicorn, alive and well today >>>

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Dr Martin Roberts: "The evidence is that these are the pjyamas Madeleine wore on holiday in Praia da Luz. They were photographed and the photo handed to a press agency, who released it on 8 May, as the search for Madeleine continued. The McCanns held up these same pyjamas at two press conferences on 5 & 7June 2007. How could Madeleine have been abducted?"

Amelie McCann (aged 2): "Maddie's jammies!".  

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Post by Guest 11.09.20 13:25

The disappearance of Madeleine McCann: Have they got the right man this time?

Sky News talks to the lawyers facing off over the latest person to be investigated in connection with Madeleine's disappearance.

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Friday 11 September 2020 10:25, UK

A new suspect has emerged in the investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

The focus on him is the latest in a series of twists and turns in one of the most high-profile missing person cases in recent history, which saw the three-year-old disappear from a holiday apartment in the Portuguese resort Praia da Luz in 2007.

Sky News crime correspondent Martin Brunt has been on Christian B's trail in Portugal and Germany to find out more about him.



Among the inmates of Kiel's high-security jail in northern Germany, there is one prisoner who has become the most notorious of all. He's isolated for his own protection and allowed to exercise, alone, for only one hour a day.

With publication of his full name restricted under German privacy laws, he is only known as Christian B - but there can't be many who don't know exactly who he is.

He's German, aged 43, and what used to be called a drifter - flitting between Germany and Portugal for many years and working a variety of odd jobs when he wasn't committing crimes.

It's three months since the convicted paedophile, rapist and drug trafficker was identified as the latest suspect in the Madeleine McCann case, suspected of abducting and killing the little British girl who vanished 13 years ago during a family holiday in Portugal.

The case against him is circumstantial - he is a convicted paedophile, he lived in the area, and on the night she disappeared, his mobile phone was in use nearby. The next day he changed the registration of one of his vehicles.

As investigators continue to search for the vital evidence they need to charge him with Madeleine's abduction, Christian B is now the subject of three new investigations in Portugal.

I've covered the Madeleine McCann mystery since she disappeared. Over the years I've reported on various suspects, all of them eventually ruled out, but I wanted to find out, have they got the right man this time?

The prosecutor versus the defence lawyer


I've travelled far and wide across Europe covering this case. The first stop on my latest journey is Braunschweig in central Germany to meet the man in charge of the investigation into the connection between Christian B and Madeleine.

Braunschweig prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters believes Madeleine is dead and Christian B killed her, though he won't reveal why he is so certain.

But three months after he launched a global public appeal for new, vital clues, he still hasn't got enough evidence to charge him.

At his office near the reconstructed medieval town centre, Mr Wolters said: "We have found nothing in the past three months to make us think we've got the wrong suspect, but the evidence we have now is the same we had when we made our first appeal on 3 June.

"We have had hundreds of calls - 400 to us and hundreds to Scotland Yard - but we haven't got the information we need to charge Christian B. But there are some clues that make us hopeful our investigation will be more successful," he added.

The German, British and Portuguese authorities have targeted Christian B for three years, since a criminal associate of his told police he had effectively confessed to him, in a bar conversation, that he had abducted Madeleine.

But they've been unable to find forensic evidence that links the suspect to the victim, even though they have examined the VW camper van and Jaguar car he was driving at the time.

Mr Wolters said: "There is no forensic evidence, but it is not necessary to have forensics to charge our suspect. We just need more evidence, but I can't say what it is we are looking for though there are different possibilities. Maybe a witness, a photo or a video."

He added: "Someone asked me if we had found Madeleine's clothes. If we had found something like that it would be great for our investigation, but it's not true."

The prosecutor described as "speculative" a recent two-day dig at Christian B's former home outside Hanover, saying: "We are checking everywhere he lived and we know from his past that he liked to bury things like the USB computer sticks that were found in a previous investigation.

"I can't tell you what we found."

Mr Wolters said the Portuguese police had searched some wells on information supplied by the Germans and there had been other searches that were not publicised.

The suspect is imprisoned 300km away in the port of Kiel, where he's nearing the end of a sentence for drug trafficking.

His lawyer Friedrich Fulscher insists the prosecutor is wrong and Christian B isn't the man who abducted Madeleine, though he hasn't been shown the evidence against him.

In his spacious office, 2km from the prison, Mr Fulscher said: "I don't know any more after three months because I can't look in the prosecutor's files. He still hasn't told us anything. It isn't fair for him to keep accusing Christian B of killing the girl without telling us the evidence he has.

"There is a legal principle, that both sides have to have the same weapons. It's time for the prosecutor to show his cards, because he is prejudging my client in public without giving him the chance to go into action."

He accused the prosecutor of turning the public against Christian B and is worried about the suspect's future if he is never charged over Madeleine.

Mr Fulscher said: "If he is not charged there will be no chance for him to lead a normal life anywhere in the world, because everyone will connect him to the case. He should have the right to go back into society and be rehabilitated."

The rape trial
Christian B moved to Portugal in 1995 and flitted between the Algarve coast and Germany for many years. In Portugal he had a reputation as a prolific burglar, but it was also the scene of his most serious crime.

In 2005, wearing a balaclava mask, he broke into the beachside villa of an elderly American widow in Praia da Luz, dragged her upstairs to a bedroom, tied and gagged her, then assaulted and raped her. Police found no fingerprints or DNA.

He wasn't convicted until December 2019, when he was tried in Germany, where he was already serving a sentence for drug trafficking. He was jailed for seven years, though the sentence was postponed pending his appeal over the legality of his extradition from Italy.

Mr Fulscher, who didn't represent him at the rape trial, believes Christian B was convicted on thin prosecution evidence.

The most damning was that one of his hairs was found in his victim's bed, though the suspect suggested it may have been carried there by a cat he stroked regularly outside the villa which was on his route home from the beach.

The other main evidence was a statement from the victim who did not appear in court and the testimony of two former criminal associates, one of whom is an informant against him in the Madeleine McCann case.

In fact, Christian B became the main suspect in the Madeleine case when the witness called police to tell them he had confessed to him in a bar. At the time, the informant is thought to have been in jail in Greece.

Mr Fulscher said: "Both the main witnesses are the worst witnesses. They are criminals, accusing each other of drugs and alcoholism, having Alzheimer's and telling lies. You can't believe anything they say, yet the court said they were reliable witnesses.

"One of them was sentenced in Greece for seven years for human trafficking and he got out of prison really quickly in Greece. Not even two years. Why he was released after such a time, there may be different explanations. Maybe he got some benefit because he helped to solve things."

Crucial evidence from the two witnesses was their story of breaking into Christian B's house and stealing homemade videos of him raping several victims, though not the American widow.

But the court was not shown the videos and one of the witnesses told the judges the tapes had been destroyed in a caravan blaze.

Mr Fulscher said: "What makes it worse is that the witnesses weren't questioned for long. The whole case took only three days.

"I would have spent three days just questioning one of the witnesses. The videos were not shown in court, where they are is a mystery."

His lawyer says he was later told the videos had been sold to a man who ran a remote farm retreat in Portugal.

I drove for more than an hour in scorching heat into the hills above the Algarve coast, along twisting roads and dusty tracks to the farm that sits on a mountain top with glorious views across the Alentejo region.

But it was a fruitless journey, because the man denied any knowledge of the tapes and the witnesses. And he wasn't pleased to see me.

New investigations


Investigators seem determined to prosecute Christian B for other crimes, even if they don't find the evidence they still need to charge him with the abduction of Madeleine McCann.

That's illustrated by the case of Hazel Behan, a young Irish holiday rep who was raped in her apartment in Praia da Rocha on the Algarve coast in 2004.

When she read in June that Christian B had been convicted for the 2005 rape of an elderly American widow in a nearby resort, she asked Portuguese police to reinvestigate her unsolved case.

Her description of her ordeal bore remarkable similarities to the American victim's rape a year later.

Portuguese detectives went back through their files, but a decision has only just been made not to reopen the investigation.

In a letter to Sky News, the prosecutor at Portimao court wrote: "The investigation will not be reopened because of the statute of limitations."

In Portugal, some criminal cases cannot be reinvestigated after 15 years.

But we've also learned that the authorities in Germany - where the statute of limitations for sex crimes is 20 years - are investigating the rape, with two witnesses we know of being asked to give statements to German investigators.

German prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters said: "I cannot confirm right now officially that we have an investigation in that case, but we have an eye on it. Maybe we are doing an investigation."

Christian B's lawyer Friedrich Fulscher said: "Hazel B has said the perpetrator had a noticeable tattoo or birthmark on his right buttock, but you can exclude Christian B because he doesn't have anything like that."

Two more cases being re-examined because of suspicions around Christian B are alleged sexual exposure to young girls in Portugal.

A man exposed himself to a 10-year-old German girl on Salema beach a month before Madeleine vanished in 2007. The girl's mother contacted police recently after seeing Christian B's photograph in the media.

And three years ago he was arrested for a similar allegation at a village festival in Sao Bartolomeu de Messines in the hills above the coast.

Instead of being charged, he was extradited to Germany where he was wanted for a similar crime, but now police are planning to prosecute him and are re-interviewing four young victims and witnesses.

Mr Wolters said: "If we find in our Madeleine investigation hints about other crimes then we have to look at those. It doesn't mean we are not making progress in the Maddie case."

Defence lawyer Mr Fulscher said: "I also think they're trying anything to sentence Christian B for other deeds… maybe they know they don't have enough in the Maddie case and they want to have the same result in a different way."

Other suspects


Suspects in the Madeleine McCann investigation have come and gone over the years since she vanished after being left sleeping in the family's holiday apartment in Praia da Luz in May 2007.

Just before paedophile Christian B became the main suspect in the Madeleine McCann case, police were pursuing a quite different theory.

It focused on another suspect in another country and involved a delicate undercover operation. I don't know if that investigation is entirely over, but I think it would be wrong to describe Christian B as the only suspect in this case.

In fact, one source told me that Christian B may be no better a suspect for Madeleine's abduction than two other principle targets.

They are the unnamed suspect, who may still be the subject of an undercover operation, and Euclides Monteiro, a sacked Ocean club waiter and thief who died two years after Madeleine vanished and was later eliminated from the inquiry.

https://news.sky.com/story/the-disappearance-of-madeleine-mccann-have-they-got-the-right-man-this-time-12068118


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Post by Guest 11.09.20 19:25

Martin Brunt wrote:I traveled far and wide across Europe in my search for the truth.
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Post by Guest 11.09.20 19:56

I enjoyed Mr. Brunt's shenanigans for the last three months...

... but I think it's time for this whole charade to die out.

It's time for the Portuguese authorities to put an end to the UK media's assassination of their integrity and reinvestigate the Madeleine McCann case properly, without tolerating any interference from any internal or external force.
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Post by Silentscope 11.09.20 20:02

Personally I find that the lack of transparency (that the Lawyer is getting more Info from the Press than from the State Prosecutors Office) deeply disturbing.

This is not normal.

And as some other Members raised the Question of who is next?

Prophetic almost...
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Post by MaxHeadroom 11.09.20 21:24

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In fact, one source told me that Christian B may be no better a suspect for Madeleine's abduction than two other principle targets.
There are two other principle suspects? Lemme guess - they go by the names Kate M. and Gerry M.? laugh
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Post by Guest 12.09.20 1:51

Martin Brunt is not the focus here, he's just a crime reporter for Sky News.

Journalists are not to be generally trusted, they have no scruples they are only concerned with the main chance - it matters not how they get their story. The case of missing Madeleine McCann alone has proved that to be a fact.

My interest here is what Herr Wolter has to say and the counter attack by the German prisoners lawyer. Particularly the former.

The case of missing Madeleine McCann is, on the surface, still an active investigation in Portugal - assisted by the UK police under the guise of Operation Grange. Make no mistake, the UK are in no position to investigate a crime, in this case the alleged abduction of Madeleine McCann, where Portugal retains primacy.

The police in the developed world only consult the media if they require assistance with an investigation, like help from the public. If the quotes in media reports are true then Wolter is not doing only that. He has continuously given out hints of unevidenced claims of certain guilt - in short, his approach has been very unprofessional.

I remain unconvinced about this latest revelation. Someone or something is pulling Wolter's strings. This is yet another elaborate deception orchestrated by a source close to ....
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Post by Secondthoughts2 12.09.20 4:15

Brueckner – A Bum Steer?

1.

Christian B's lawyer Friedrich Fulscher said:

 "Hazel B has said the perpetrator had a noticeable tattoo or birthmark on his right buttock, but you can exclude Christian B because he doesn't have anything like that."

Looks like this one can be solved if they just ask Brueckner to drop his drawers!

2, 

Mr Fulscher, who didn't represent him (Brueckner) at the rape trial (of elderly American lady), believes Christian B was convicted on thin prosecution evidence.

Reading the above it would appear that way.  I had initially thought in the case in question that there had been video evidence.  Seems not!

Seems too that the prosecutor this time around (Maddie case) can't get his hands on ANY evidence let alone the thin stuff!


From Brueckner's bum to that other bum - Brunt said:

"In fact, one source told me that Christian B may be no better a suspect for Madeleine's abduction than two other principle targets."

So, Bum Brunt didn't give name of his source. 
He casually drops in that CB no better a suspect than two other principle targets. (one deceased)

Is it possible in law to have three (and not one) unrelated principal suspects?  

And, looks like Brunt having travelled far and wide, from doorstep of Brenda Leyland all across Europe to cover this case, didn't, at the end of his quest find answer to his question - 'Have they got the right man this time?

Brunt concluded (Sky News Report) :

"If the prosecutor can’t find the evidence he needs and has to rule out Christian Brueckner where would that leave the mystery of what happened to Madeleine McCann Still a mystery or an unhappy conclusion with questions that might never be answered?"

And there you have it.  As ever, with the aid of Brunt and Sky - Mission Mitchell accomplished?


  • German prosecutor can continue with his Maddie Murder Mystery.
  • Brueckner if not charged, will forevermore be associated/suspected of the abduction/murder of Maddie McCann.  McCanns will forevermore be able to continue claiming Maddie was abducted by one of the many principal suspects who had gathered outside their apartment for the Praia da Luz Paedophile Convention sponsored by a local mobile phone company.
  • Metropolitan Police can continue to claim funding annually to solve mystery so that there is no unhappy conclusion with questions that might never be answered



We couldn't have that now could we?  

Maybe Met could start with Kate McCanns 40 or so unanswered questions?


Brueckner?  Definitely a bum steer.
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Post by PeterMac 12.09.20 9:04

And Brunt also said, and I wrote it down
"It would be wrong to describe Christian B(rückner) as the ONLY suspect."


[Spoke to Fülscher earlier, and he also detects that the press is changing direction]
Let us never forget that Brunt - who incidentally was in PdL for 10 days right at the start and did not speak to the McCanns in all that time [why not?] gave us 100% DNA match and lots of other stuff before he changed tack completely and became a News Corp. acolyte.

Is he realising he has been duped ?
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Post by Guest 12.09.20 10:16

Verdi wrote:Martin Brunt is not the focus here, he's just a crime reporter for Sky News.  
Yes, I know this.

I was just laughing at his "my search for the truth" statement.
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Post by MaxHeadroom 12.09.20 10:23

Verdi wrote:My interest here is what Herr Wolter has to say and the counter attack by the German prisoners lawyer.  Particularly the former.

The case of missing Madeleine McCann is, on the surface, still an active investigation in Portugal - assisted by the UK police under the guise of Operation Grange.  Make no mistake, the UK are in no position to investigate a crime, in this case the alleged abduction of Madeleine McCann, where Portugal retains primacy.

The police in the developed world only consult the media if they require assistance with an investigation, like help from the public.  If the quotes in media reports are true then Wolter is not doing only that.  He has continuously given out hints of unevidenced claims of certain guilt - in short, his approach has been very unprofessional.
The behavior by Wolters has been very unprofessional from the start. While at the beginning, it might have seemed that they were really onto something (at least for the ones who still believe the abduction theory) and were  just holding back the final evidence, it more and more became obvious that it was obviously a big bluff and that what they have is thin and circumstantial. The only thing that they have still seems to be the phone call he made while being close to the Ocean Club logging into a phone cell in the PdL area. They always did as if they had more in hand and just needed the final evidence, but this turned out to be false, as everything that came up afterwards were dubios claims and speculations by questionable witnesses and revelations about CB's past that didn't have anything to do with Madeleine and were just feeding the gutter press. They still haven't got anything to tie him to the case, but keep claiming that they have evidence that Madeleine is dead (Of course they do, it has been proven by Eddie and Keela 13 years ago).

I remain unconvinced about this latest revelation.  Someone or something is pulling Wolter's strings.  This is yet another elaborate deception orchestrated by a source close to ....

I wouldn't go that far into conspiracy theory territory. My guess is that they found out about the phone call and CB's past and thought they were really onto solving Europe's most notorious unsolved missing person case, but leaned out of the window way too far and ended up embarrassing themselves completely. Plus, they probably searched for something to keep CB in prison for as long as they can, as he had chances of getting out a short time later and the final verdict for the ten-year prison penalty in the case of the rape in Portugal was pending.
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Post by Guest 12.09.20 10:38

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I remain unconvinced about this latest revelation.  Someone or something is pulling Wolter's strings.  This is yet another elaborate deception orchestrated by a source close to ....
I wouldn't go that far into conspiracy theory territory. My guess is that they found out about the phone call and CB's past and thought they were really onto solving Europe's most notorious unsolved missing person case, but leaned out of the window way too far and ended up embarrassing themselves completely. Plus, they probably searched for something to keep CB in prison for as long as they can, as he had chances of getting out a short time later and the final verdict for the ten-year prison penalty in the case of the rape in Portugal was pending.
It's not a "conspiracy theory".

It's more than clear, after studying this case in depth, that all of these "developments" are fabrications made up by someone or some group. Your guess doesn't explain why the German prosecutor has behaved the way he did, and why this was overblown in the media, unlike many other fake leads.
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Post by Silentscope 12.09.20 10:40

The Puppet Master has always been pulling the same Strings...

1. Finding People like previous Lawyers, Friends and “Trustable sources” to reinforce the Public perception of the Suspect being as Guilty as possible.

2. Making People like Mr Brunt offers that they either would not, or could not refuse to “come on board” and do his bidding.

3. Is now losing Control as the Main Stream Media is no longer the Public’s MAIN source of information, and is completely biased and no longer trusted.

Follow the Strings.
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Post by MaxHeadroom 12.09.20 10:56

pauloalexandre wrote:It's not a "conspiracy theory".

It's more than clear, after studying this case in depth, that all of these "developments" are fabrications made up by someone or some group. 
Well, obviously it it, because what you say is very typical conspiracy theorist rhetoric.

pauloalexandre wrote:Your guess doesn't explain why the German prosecutor has behaved the way he did, and why this was overblown in the media, unlike many other fake leads.

I did explain why he probably behaved that way. And the press blew it up because after a long time of silence there was new movement in the case and at the beginning it really looked like they were close to solving the case, and they had a scapegoat to demonise.
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Post by Silverspeed 12.09.20 10:57

Just saw another report by Brunt on Sky News. He said this towards the end. 
" Before Christian B became the main suspect, Police were pursuing a quite different theory. It focused on another suspect in another country and it involved a delicate undercover operation. I don't know that that investigation is entirely over, but i do think it would be wrong to describe Christian B as the only suspect."
And now Sky are going to be showing a special report on the case, repeated every 2 hours throughout the day. Yawn.
Christian B isn't a main suspect at all. He's not even a real suspect. The 2 main suspects are the same people who have been the main suspects since day one.
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Post by Guest 12.09.20 11:20

MaxHeadroom wrote:
pauloalexandre wrote:It's not a "conspiracy theory".

It's more than clear, after studying this case in depth, that all of these "developments" are fabrications made up by someone or some group. 
Well, obviously it it, because what you say is very typical conspiracy theorist rhetoric.
According to Cambridge Dictionary, a "conspiracy theory" is a belief that a powerful group is responsible for an event or a situation.

What has this got to do with what I said about fabricated stories that have been planted in the media for the past 13 years?

And the press blew it up because after a long time of silence there was new movement in the case and at the beginning it really looked like they were close to solving the case, and they had a scapegoat to demonise.
If you've been following this case for a while, you realize that the media doesn't overblow a story just because they "feel like it". There's another reason for doing it, and I don't think your explanation is the right answer.
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Post by Secondthoughts2 12.09.20 11:32

@ PeterMac

Yes it would be wrong to describe Brueckner as not only, the ONLY suspect but as  'A' suspect!  But that is what has been happening over the last few months.  

I was thinking about what you asked in reference to Brunt - 'Is he realising he has been duped?'


As ever in this case certain matters can be looked at in more than one way, and often whichever way can be equally as feasible.

(a) Brunt could be a reporter thick as two short planks, who is given free rein by his boss to interpret any information he gathers as he sees fit and reports in that vein, and somewhere along the line realisation has set in, and he knows, in this instance, that he has been duped, so changes tack as subtly as he possibly can to save face (for him and the boss) - saying:   "It would be wrong to describe Christian B(rückner) as the ONLY suspect."

Or, 

(b) It is all part of the plan from the start?   

Reporting these past months as he has, stirring up a storm, placing Bruckner in the eye of it, knowing that Brueckner is hardly likely to be involved in case of missing Maddie - then drawing back a touch (as in his recent report) basically saying, it's not CB who is the villain in the Maddie case would be wrong me/us to say he is!  I'm only out here travelling far and wide, investigating to see if THEY (who does he mean by they, German, Portuguese or British police, all?) have got the right man THIS TIME. 

Taking that step back, removing himself from being the outright accuser of Brueckner as being the abductor/killer of Maddie,  but job done - Brueckner now the name and the FACE of the Maddie Monster' 

And as you rightly say Peter, Brunt was the face of Sky reporting in early days of this case, and at that time he was not reporting in a way supportive of Kate and Gerry McCann.

Suddenly overnight, that all changed!   And not subtly at that time - he did a 180!   He shocked those following case.  And crucially his 180 was not based on any new evidence discovered/uncovered that put the parents in a position whereby they could be deemed innocent of ALL and ANY involvement in the disappearance of their daughter.

The question (s ) however still remains 
What are the German authorities up to?
Why do McCanns not respond to the German thinking that Maddie has been murdered?
Why do Met Police stay, in the main, silent (apart from when it comes to funding)

I always think in Maddie case 'timing' plays a huge part when we are bombarded with stories of new suspects etc.

And with that in mind, I tend to think there will be something in the life of the McCanns at this time, or not too far off, that required firstly a distraction, the distraction (on this occasion C.B.) followed by a story to put the distraction to bed (Brunt's latest report)

Brunt knows Brueckner is not likely to be the guilty party in this case.   He knows the German authorities have not a shred of evidence to charge CB, but CB has been useful to the McC cause for the moment.

Brunt has essentially in his report, introduced, shone a light on another principal suspect - or the next victim if you prefer...

"Just before paedophile Christian B became the main suspect in the Madeleine McCann case, police were pursuing a quite different theory.

It focused on another suspect in another country and involved a delicate undercover operation. I don't know if that investigation is entirely over..."

Oh yes you do Martin!  You know  this, and you know the German authorities barking up the wrong tree with Brueckner.

So who is the other suspect, and in which country?

And what will be the quite different theory attached to the next 'victim?'

Don't pack your passport away just yet Brunt - looks like you'll be hitting the road again soon!

Maddie suspects - like Ten in the Bed...one rolled over and one fell out.    You're out Brueckner - roll over...

Perhaps biggest question - Who is paying the piper!  Every man has his price - Brunt included.
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