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Let me help you Gerry: DAVID PAYNE may hold the key to the mystery
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]Madeleine McCann case - David Payne may hold the key to the mystery TVMais "The English authorities should explain what the complaint is, that they have against David Payne, and who presented it" Gonçalo Amaral, author of the documentary TVI broadcast this week, told tvmais that Payne may hold the key to the mystery and the disappearance of Maddie nâni Carvalho 18 April 2009 Translation by Nigel Moore"If the Attorney General of the Republic watched the programme with care, he should have no alternative other than to reopen the case!" The emphatic claim comes from the coordinator of the Judiciary in the investigation of the Maddie case, until October 2007, in an exclusive interview with tvmais. When Gonçalo Amaral was removed from the investigation he wrote the book "Maddie: The Truth of the Lie", a work that inspired the documentary that TVI devoted 50 minutes to on Monday, after the "National Telediary". "Reopening the process would mean that the prosecutor would be acknowledging a mistake," Gonçalo Amaral told tvmais. "As you can see, we demonstrated in the documentary that, physically, abduction could not have happened. It also became clear that she died that same day, May 3, 2007," the inspector said shortly after the broadcast on TVI. "But above all, the role that David Payne played in the case needs to be understood. Certainly with the girl and with Kate McCann." We ask the coordinator of the PJ to explain these words. "The British authorities have, since May 16, 2007, a complaint filed by Katherina G., a doctor and former friend of Payne and Gerry McCann. In that complaint, she explains the suspicions that she has had about David Payne since she spent a holiday with Payne and McCann in Mallorca. Gerry McCann is accused of inaction and complacency in the attitude of David Payne. " Suspected paedophile The claim of Gonçalo Amaral refers to the British couple, (doctors Katherina and Arul) who denounced David Payne. During that past holiday with the McCann's and Payne's in Mallorca, summer 2005, that British doctor retained an impression and never forgot what she saw one night when Gerry and David were talking about Maddie. David sucked on his finger, pushing it into and out of his mouth, while with the other hand made circles around his nipple. Days later, the doctor said, she returned to see Dave do the same gestures when speaking about his own daughter. Katherina decided to take special care with her own daughter and asked her husband to ensure that her daughter was never left alone with Payne when she was taking a bath. Kaherina said she had associated the gestures with someone who likes to see pornography. "I remember thinking if he would look at girls in a different way," she concluded. Twelve days after Maddie disappeared (16 May), Katherina and Arul went to the police to reveal the two conversations with Dave and Gerry, which first showed suspicious behaviour and suggested sex with minors. Katherina provided an eight-page statement. She described the holiday in Mallorca with McCann and Payne. Katherina's partner confirmed the gestures made by Dave during the conversation with Gerry, but said he did not realise that they were talking about Maddie. He also believed that the behaviour was of extremely bad taste. The statements were provided on May 16, 2007, but had no input into the process until January 2008 (Volume XIII). By then, the rogatory letters had already been sent. David Payne, the same Tvmais has already reported that David Payne is the same one that the PJ did not see testify in England. He is the only one whose statements for the famous rogatory letters, that the PJ sent to England, were remade because of a malfunction in the recorder... David Payne was one of the friends dining with the McCanns on the night of the disappearance of the girl at the Ocean Club. He is the man that tvmais had already confirmed had been in apartment 5A of the resort (home of the McCanns) about 19:00 that afternoon of May 3, 2007, shortly before, therefore, the time that the girl was reported as missing. Up to the closure of this edition, we failed to confirm whether someone from the Attorney General's Office saw the documentary. Although the rest had already been informed by tvmais throughout the almost two years that have elapsed since the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, a British child of 4-years-old, in the Algarve. We even showed the reported information of the declarations about Payne to the British police. It was the phrase Gonçalo Amaral on TVI's documentary: "It can be said with all certainty that Madeleine McCann was not abducted." McCanns already control the fortune The fund created just nine days after the disappearance of Maddie (a fund whose only goal was to raise funds to find the girl, accumulating millions of euros) has a new director: Gerald McCann, the very father of Madeleine McCann. Discreetly, they had already entered Peter Hubner, John McCann, Edward Smethurst, Doug Skehan, Jon Corner and other friends of the McCanns. This special status of the fund means that detailed accounts on how the money is spent do not need to be submitted. The McCanns house and other expenses are not reflected as being paid by the fund, although of the accounts presented, what is clear, is that barely 13% of the money was spent on investigations to "find the girl." The rest also went, but where is not known... [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] (With thanks to the McCann files) |
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Dr Payne... Close chum of Kate & Gerry and a "warm 'n' soapy" handed 'uncle' of toddlers....
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] ...is this the same Dr Payne that was one of the last 3 people to claim to have seen Madeleine alive? (Thus statistically potentially involved in any murder/death).
... ...is this the same Dr Payne that was identified in the Gaspar statements as having shown a (possible/likely) sexual interest in Madeleine, (along with her father), the previous year? (Thus statistically potentially involved in any murder/death).
... ... ... is this the same Dr Payne that refused to do a 'recreation of events' in Praia d'Luz to help make sense of the wildly differing statements given to the Portuguese Police?
... ... ... ... is this the same Dr Payne that bathed the toddlers?
... ... ... ... ... Is this the same Dr Payne that was recalled vaguely by the professional Child Protection Officer 'Yvonne Warren Martin' (who was on holiday in Portugal at the time, and who offered her professional assistance following the initial reports of an 'abduction'... and was effectively told to 'f*ck off') as someone she'd come across previously in her professional duties?
Oh well... Just as Savile and Cyril Smith (& Janner and Heath) have shown us...anyone can abuse kids (or more), and then call in favours and merrily get away with it...Just as long as the masses are distracted by the latest celebs/the latest silly pseudo-science/the latest Calais immigration tale and the scapegoat of the latest 'corporate tax evader' (that's agreed to be named in order to call in favours later down the line).
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... ...is this the same Dr Payne that was identified in the Gaspar statements as having shown a (possible/likely) sexual interest in Madeleine, (along with her father), the previous year? (Thus statistically potentially involved in any murder/death).
... ... ... is this the same Dr Payne that refused to do a 'recreation of events' in Praia d'Luz to help make sense of the wildly differing statements given to the Portuguese Police?
... ... ... ... is this the same Dr Payne that bathed the toddlers?
... ... ... ... ... Is this the same Dr Payne that was recalled vaguely by the professional Child Protection Officer 'Yvonne Warren Martin' (who was on holiday in Portugal at the time, and who offered her professional assistance following the initial reports of an 'abduction'... and was effectively told to 'f*ck off') as someone she'd come across previously in her professional duties?
Oh well... Just as Savile and Cyril Smith (& Janner and Heath) have shown us...anyone can abuse kids (or more), and then call in favours and merrily get away with it...Just as long as the masses are distracted by the latest celebs/the latest silly pseudo-science/the latest Calais immigration tale and the scapegoat of the latest 'corporate tax evader' (that's agreed to be named in order to call in favours later down the line).
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Re: Let me help you Gerry: DAVID PAYNE may hold the key to the mystery
Hope this is ok to do! (Apologies in advance if not)Jill Havern wrote:
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]Madeleine McCann case - David Payne may hold the key to the mystery TVMais
"The English authorities should explain what the complaint is, that they have against David Payne, and who presented it"
Gonçalo Amaral, author of the documentary TVI broadcast this week, told tvmais that Payne may hold the key to the mystery and the disappearance of Maddie
nâni Carvalho
18 April 2009
Translation by Nigel Moore"If the Attorney General of the Republic watched the programme with care, he should have no alternative other than to reopen the case!" The emphatic claim comes from the coordinator of the Judiciary in the investigation of the Maddie case, until October 2007, in an exclusive interview with tvmais.
When Gonçalo Amaral was removed from the investigation he wrote the book "Maddie: The Truth of the Lie", a work that inspired the documentary that TVI devoted 50 minutes to on Monday, after the "National Telediary".
"Reopening the process would mean that the prosecutor would be acknowledging a mistake," Gonçalo Amaral told tvmais. "As you can see, we demonstrated in the documentary that, physically, abduction could not have happened. It also became clear that she died that same day, May 3, 2007," the inspector said shortly after the broadcast on TVI. "But above all, the role that David Payne played in the case needs to be understood. Certainly with the girl and with Kate McCann."
We ask the coordinator of the PJ to explain these words. "The British authorities have, since May 16, 2007, a complaint filed by Katherina G., a doctor and former friend of Payne and Gerry McCann. In that complaint, she explains the suspicions that she has had about David Payne since she spent a holiday with Payne and McCann in Mallorca. Gerry McCann is accused of inaction and complacency in the attitude of David Payne. "
Suspected paedophile
The claim of Gonçalo Amaral refers to the British couple, (doctors Katherina and Arul) who denounced David Payne. During that past holiday with the McCann's and Payne's in Mallorca, summer 2005, that British doctor retained an impression and never forgot what she saw one night when Gerry and David were talking about Maddie. David sucked on his finger, pushing it into and out of his mouth, while with the other hand made circles around his nipple. Days later, the doctor said, she returned to see Dave do the same gestures when speaking about his own daughter. Katherina decided to take special care with her own daughter and asked her husband to ensure that her daughter was never left alone with Payne when she was taking a bath. Kaherina said she had associated the gestures with someone who likes to see pornography. "I remember thinking if he would look at girls in a different way," she concluded. Twelve days after Maddie disappeared (16 May), Katherina and Arul went to the police to reveal the two conversations with Dave and Gerry, which first showed suspicious behaviour and suggested sex with minors. Katherina provided an eight-page statement. She described the holiday in Mallorca with McCann and Payne. Katherina's partner confirmed the gestures made by Dave during the conversation with Gerry, but said he did not realise that they were talking about Maddie. He also believed that the behaviour was of extremely bad taste. The statements were provided on May 16, 2007, but had no input into the process until January 2008 (Volume XIII). By then, the rogatory letters had already been sent.
David Payne, the same
Tvmais has already reported that David Payne is the same one that the PJ did not see testify in England. He is the only one whose statements for the famous rogatory letters, that the PJ sent to England, were remade because of a malfunction in the recorder...
David Payne was one of the friends dining with the McCanns on the night of the disappearance of the girl at the Ocean Club. He is the man that tvmais had already confirmed had been in apartment 5A of the resort (home of the McCanns) about 19:00 that afternoon of May 3, 2007, shortly before, therefore, the time that the girl was reported as missing. Up to the closure of this edition, we failed to confirm whether someone from the Attorney General's Office saw the documentary. Although the rest had already been informed by tvmais throughout the almost two years that have elapsed since the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, a British child of 4-years-old, in the Algarve. We even showed the reported information of the declarations about Payne to the British police. It was the phrase Gonçalo Amaral on TVI's documentary: "It can be said with all certainty that Madeleine McCann was not abducted."
McCanns already control the fortune
The fund created just nine days after the disappearance of Maddie (a fund whose only goal was to raise funds to find the girl, accumulating millions of euros) has a new director: Gerald McCann, the very father of Madeleine McCann. Discreetly, they had already entered Peter Hubner, John McCann, Edward Smethurst, Doug Skehan, Jon Corner and other friends of the McCanns. This special status of the fund means that detailed accounts on how the money is spent do not need to be submitted. The McCanns house and other expenses are not reflected as being paid by the fund, although of the accounts presented, what is clear, is that barely 13% of the money was spent on investigations to "find the girl." The rest also went, but where is not known...
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Re: Let me help you Gerry: DAVID PAYNE may hold the key to the mystery
The attempts by subversive ex-Members of this very Forum to claim that Dr Payne's visit of 30 seconds or 30 minutes was a Fabrication, and never happened, only add Wheight to the Argument that something could have occurred that Afternoon.
It explains why Madeleine was seen by so many other people.
It fulfills the Mark T Hoffman qoute that Madeleine had to Die, because she was old enough to Talk. She could have told someone what had happened to her.
What happened to Madeleine, and when however, is still the big Question.
It explains why Madeleine was seen by so many other people.
It fulfills the Mark T Hoffman qoute that Madeleine had to Die, because she was old enough to Talk. She could have told someone what had happened to her.
What happened to Madeleine, and when however, is still the big Question.
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Re: Let me help you Gerry: DAVID PAYNE may hold the key to the mystery
Either 30 minutes or 30 seconds IS a fabrication.
Or both.
But one of them definitely is.
Or both.
But one of them definitely is.
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Re: Let me help you Gerry: DAVID PAYNE may hold the key to the mystery
Payne's DNA was discovered in Apartment 5A was it not?
So he has been in there at some point.
So he has been in there at some point.
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They all were.Silentscope wrote:Payne's DNA was discovered in Apartment 5A was it not?
So he has been in there at some point.
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But how many times that week and when?
Or was packing the Apartment full on Thursday part of the coverup Plan?
Introducing as many DNA samples as possible to confuse the Enemy?
The Enemy being the Police...
Or was packing the Apartment full on Thursday part of the coverup Plan?
Introducing as many DNA samples as possible to confuse the Enemy?
The Enemy being the Police...
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I'm not sure what your point is.
Because Payne DNA was found then the visit happened?
I vote 30 seconds and 30 minutes are both fabrications. One is definitely which casts doubt on the other.
Because Payne DNA was found then the visit happened?
I vote 30 seconds and 30 minutes are both fabrications. One is definitely which casts doubt on the other.
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I am not sure that the Visit as described happened or not either.
But getting everyone including DP in to Apartment 5A on Thursday would be a good excuse for his DNA being found (again?) would it not?
Especially if someone was planning to Set him up later?
But getting everyone including DP in to Apartment 5A on Thursday would be a good excuse for his DNA being found (again?) would it not?
Especially if someone was planning to Set him up later?
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Could have been in and out all week.
I don't think they were thinking about dna at that point.
I don't think they were thinking about dna at that point.
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Gerry could have been. His Bedtime reading included 'The Interpretation of Murder'
The Interpretation of Murder, 03 January 2009
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Still taken from PJ video of Gerry's bedside table, at the Vista Mar villa
The Interpretation of Murder
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03 January 2009
Thanks to Dr Martin Roberts for quotes
The PJ video recorded that Gerry McCanns' choice of bedtime reading, whilst staying at the Vista Mar villa, included 'The Interpretation of Murder' by Jed Rubenfeld.
A seemingly inappropriate choice of book for a man who believed his daughter had been abducted and could quite possibly be in the hands of a predatory paedophile.
However, when one considers some quotes from the book, this may not have been such a peculiar choice of reading material:
"The announcement was pure invention, but it was believed, and therefore within three weeks it was so. Mr Banwell had mastered the great truth that truth itself, like buildings, can be manufactured." (p.9).
"I cannot be expected to solve a murder if the evidence is trampled and tampered with before I arrive." (p.22).
"In this heat, he explained, decomposition would rapidly set in if the corpse was not refrigerated at once." (p.28).
"Littlemore studied the bedroom. 'Miss Acton', he said, 'how do you think the man got in here last night?'
'Well, he must have – why, I don't know.'
It was, Littlemore reflected, certainly a puzzle. There were only two doors to the Acton house, the front and the back... ....Could the intruder have climbed in through a window?" (p.299).
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The Book can be seen on the Sofa in the Living room of Aartment 5A.
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Still taken from PJ video of Gerry's bedside table, at the Vista Mar villa
The Interpretation of Murder
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03 January 2009
Thanks to Dr Martin Roberts for quotes
The PJ video recorded that Gerry McCanns' choice of bedtime reading, whilst staying at the Vista Mar villa, included 'The Interpretation of Murder' by Jed Rubenfeld.
A seemingly inappropriate choice of book for a man who believed his daughter had been abducted and could quite possibly be in the hands of a predatory paedophile.
However, when one considers some quotes from the book, this may not have been such a peculiar choice of reading material:
"The announcement was pure invention, but it was believed, and therefore within three weeks it was so. Mr Banwell had mastered the great truth that truth itself, like buildings, can be manufactured." (p.9).
"I cannot be expected to solve a murder if the evidence is trampled and tampered with before I arrive." (p.22).
"In this heat, he explained, decomposition would rapidly set in if the corpse was not refrigerated at once." (p.28).
"Littlemore studied the bedroom. 'Miss Acton', he said, 'how do you think the man got in here last night?'
'Well, he must have – why, I don't know.'
It was, Littlemore reflected, certainly a puzzle. There were only two doors to the Acton house, the front and the back... ....Could the intruder have climbed in through a window?" (p.299).
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The Book can be seen on the Sofa in the Living room of Aartment 5A.
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Bottom Right of the four Photographs.
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Re: Let me help you Gerry: DAVID PAYNE may hold the key to the mystery
And Payne had an extra room in his apartment in the Ocean Club, where Gerry and Kate slept later. Because he knows something would happend? Because something was planned?
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I'm sure he was weeks later.
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