Re: Leave No Stone Unturned

by Guest 26.09.20 16:11

If you're not having a problem with using the quote function then I ask - would you please use it when replying to another member's post.

Thank you.

by **Silentscope** 27.09.20 17:04

I think the Cremation idea has now “Burnt out?”

laugh

by **Silentscope** 10.11.20 19:31

[size=32]The car is available with both manual (8 versions), as well as automatic (4 versions) gearbox. Renault Scenic average fuel consumption in combined cycle for petrol engine is from 7.2 to 8.6 litres per 100km, whereas for diesel engine - from 5.1 to 7.1 litres per 100km.[/size]

11,229 Kilometres run up
8,6 Litres per 100 Km
11,229 divided by 100 equals 112.29 times 8,6 equals 965.7 Litres of Fuel
Fuel prices 2007 Super €1.118 /L Diesel €0,86 /L
€1, 079.65 Super
€830.50 Diesel

So my question is;

Did the McCanns actually pay that much for Fuel, or was the Distance run up by some other means?

A full tank in the Scenic has a Capacity of 60 litres.

They would have had to Refuel at least 16 times to cover that distance.

So how many times did they Refuel and where?

Or was the Mileage added by some other mechanical or electrical means?

by **Cammerigal** 11.11.20 5:52

The mileage allocated to the Renault Scenic car bookings against the known timeline chronology shown by the booking sheets doesn't seem to logically add up.
We know from Crispbee's analysis of the ocean Club room booking sheets in the PJ files that they were falsified (use of OCR, copy n paste) - to mendaciously confuse and create a false evidence trail and hide guests.

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I would suggest that a similar scrutiny of the car booking sheets could well also show a form of mendacious falsification.
me thinks it was the work of Mi5.

by **Silentscope** 11.11.20 22:09

Renault Grand Scenic 1.5 Liter DCI motor
Gearbox Manual / Automatic?

11,229 Kms

5.1 L / 100 Kms - 572.68 Litres €492.50
7.1 L/ 100 Kms - 797.26 Litres €685.64

60 Litre tank range per Tankful between 845.07 to 1176.47Kms

That would be 9.5 to 13 Tankfuls depending on load and driving style.

Here is the known distances travelled below:
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by Guest 12.11.20 0:43

What exactly is the point of this - what is being suggested?

Considering the general consensus of opinion, that the mileage clocked-up by the Renault Scenic hired in the name of Gerry McCann with two additional named drivers - Sandy Cameron and Michael Wright, is very high for a period of four months, if any adjustment was to be made to the recorded mileage, wouldn't it have been more sensible to disconnect the speedo (not Gerry McCann's swimwear I hasten to add) rather than MI5 or some other source increasing the recorded mileage count?

I venture to suggest it proves nothing to calculate the cost of fuel, where the vehicle was refuelled or by whom - if it were even possible.

As for manufacturing faults with the particular make and model of car and the particular period of manufacture no comment

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The car hire details, copies of the contract documents, before the McCanns hire and after, are all recorded in the PJ files.

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Surely the suggestion here is not that the car rental company 'were in on it'!?!

This subject is in danger of going off the beaten track - let's not go down that cul-de-sac again.

The PJ thoroughly investigated the car hire as can be seen by the documented files.

by Lance De Boils 12.11.20 1:32

I did a lot of research on the previous car renters. Just in case. (Elimination.)

by **Silentscope** 12.11.20 14:49

The point is that the Kilometres were added between 12:30 on the 01.09.07 and 15:30 on the 23.09.07 not over the whole Rental period.

If the Vehicle was used as suspected to transport the body of Madeleine to any location, it must have happened before the Dogs inspection on 06.08.07 at 15:17 or the Cadaver odour would not have been detected.

The Vehicle had then at that point covered not 11,229 Kms but just 2,752 Kms.

The Kilometres driven between the start of the Hire period and the Dogs inspection narrow down the search area for a body considerably.

If Madeleine died in PDL and was transported as suspected in the Hire car, and you wanted to cover your tracks you could hide the distance travelled in several ways. But this did not happen.

They had to add to the Kilometres driven because if they had tried to disconnect or change the Kilometre level it would have left a trace.

by **Cammerigal** 16.11.20 9:11

Budget Car Rental Analysis
I have looked at the car rental bookings and analysed the PJ files via simple EXCEL, with a noted PJ page reference. See enclosed jpeg.
As stated earlier, like the hotel booking, the hire of the Renault Scenic does not make logical sense and has a mendacious aspect of falsification, as outlined below, when consideration is made of computerized systems.

General
The Renault Grand Scenic 1.5 Dci 7L/X1, registration 59-DA-27 was rented out from new by Budget Portugal from 10^th March 2007 with 11km on the clock. It started life at AS Faro Airport, then moved to location AS Praia da Rocha, then finally AS Lagos. It was returned to Budget on 23^rd September 2007 after 213 hire days, showing 11329km on the odometer (aka the clock)

A unique contract ID is issued sequentially, with a 3 part Budget branded contract rental form printed in 3 parts; white original, yellow duplicado and pink triplicado, which are then scanned and recorded in the PJ files.
The renter naming format is; surname then christian name. They also record the driving licence. A 2^nd driver is also added, when required.
The renter address is recorded, but is usually redacted, with the UK recorded in the European format (not in Ingalterra, Portuguese)
Various customer names, Budget car reservation class bookings and customer booking codes (assumed to be the rate card) are used on the mainframe booking system, as is the norm for car rentals.
Finally, A car is normally handed over and back with a full tank of fuel, with the time of handover and handback recorded in hours/minutes format (often using a handheld ODB code reader)

My Not OK observations from the simple PJ file analysis are as follows:

1.    NOK1 – Ref PJ P.2962. The car had a magic mileage jump from 823km to 4099km on 25^th March 2007, when KA Walkden of the UK hired the car at 1018 hrs at Faro airport, after its return at 0832 hrs that day with 823km when returned by JG Patterson. We also note the missing Budget yellow duplicado form. Walkden had it for 7 days, driving 846 km, handing it back with 4945 km on the 1^st April at 0832hrs, at the airport. NB Walkden, apart form being a golfer has a Leicestershire based inflatable business.....
This mileage jump should not happen.

2.    NOK2 – Ref PJ P.2929- On the 2^nd April, the car had 4000km erased from its clock, for when RA Lowes of the UK hired it at 1130hrs with 945km on the clock. He had it for 10 days, running 221km.
This mileage deletion should not have happened and the clocking would be illegal.

3.    NOK3 – Ref PJ P.2909. On the 23^rd May 2007, McCann Gerald of Inglaterra hired it in AS Lagos at 1230hrs with 3114km, with Michael Wright as 2^nd driver and 7/8^th tank of fuel. He had it for 7 days and managed a nice ‘round’ mileage of 750km, with 3864km recorded.
The hire was then extended for AS Lagos by Zenith rent a car (Budget UK head office) for McCann and Wright on the 27^th May with 3864km on the clock. They managed to drive a perfect ‘round’ 2000km in 30 days until 3^rd July with 5864km recorded
·         It is noteworthy that his country of origin is now Inglaterra and not UK
Perfect round mileages are not driveable and thus not believable

4.    NOK4 – Ref PJ P.2912. McCann Gerald re-hires it in AS Lagos (Ocean club) on 3^rd July at 1230hrs with 5864km on the clock. There is no return date or check in
A car hire should have a return check in
He managed zero recorded mileage. An oversight?
A car rental contract must show IN and OUT details

5.    NOK5 – Ref PJ P.2915. DR Gerald P. MC Cann of Inglaterra rehires it in AS Lagos on 2^nd August with 5865km on the clock and keeps it for 30 days, with a return on 1^st September with 5866km – just 1 km magically travelled in a month.
·         His name has changed to reverse format. This name reversal cannot happen with mainframe computer coding
·         The Budget branding has disappeared on the hire forms
·         There is no recognition of white original, yellow duplicado and pink triplicado text on the 3 part forms
Is this a falsified record?

6.    NOK6 – Ref PJ P.2918 DR Gerald P. MC Cann of Inglaterra with Michael Wright rehire it in AS Lagos on 1^st September with 5866km on the clock. There is no return date or check in. He keeps it for just 22 days, as Renault insist on its return. It’s recorded mileage on the 23^rd September is 14443 km. McCann has driven 11329 km in 141 days.
·         The McCann name is changed to reverse format. This name reversal cannot happen with mainframe computer coding
·         The Budget branding has disappeared on the hire forms
·         There is no recognition of white original, yellow duplicado and pink triplicado text on the 3 part forms
·         A car hire should have a return check in
Is this a falsified record?

7.    NOK7 – The return mileage recorded is 11329km in the 213 days, but analysis of the individual rental sheets shows a total of 15047 km. We have a gap of 3718km
Are there falsified car rental mileage records?

Again I propose that OCR scanning may work some of the time on outputs to present a 'nice' picture , but the main computer database cannot be easily compromised
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Readers may wish to critique the methodology and add observations, such as observed landmarks when the car was seen in use on videos

by **Silentscope** 16.11.20 9:36

What an excellent in - depth Analysis!
Well done indeed!

If it can be proved physically impossible that they did not have either the time, money or range to complete all the “extra” Kilometres after the Dogs inspection remains the question?

The Spanish Police had already told the PJ that they were observed in places where they had no good reason to be. Where these places were, and how far apart is not public knowledge as far as I am aware.
I have done some researching on present day Computer software relating to geography and crime scene mapping. It is entirely possible to calculate with such programs possible routes and destinations.

I have a few other possibilities that I have shared with other Members by PM, they may become even more definitive thanks to your work.

Well done Cammerigal!

by **crusader** 16.11.20 10:44

I'm not sure why the car mileage has anything to do with Madeleine's disappearance, is it to try to prove the involvement by government agents?

I don't believe Madeleine was transported in the car weeks after her death. Who in the the name of sanity would transport a dead and decaying child from one place to another in the boot of their car.

What kind of parents could cope with seeing their child dead and wrapped in a plastic bag in their boot.

I believe the signals given by the dogs was proof that the McCann's had been in contact with a dead Madeleine. The signals given by the dogs don't give a date when they had contact with a dead body, they just signal that they detect blood/cadaver.

If Madeleine had been in the boot of the car, the whole floor of the boot would have been a signal instead of one small area.

They also signalled the key that was in the door pocket, not once but 3 times. That key had been handled by numerous people.

by **Silentscope** 16.11.20 11:14

I would hazard a guess that if any real “Agent” from any Government Agency had anything to do with altering anything, they would be so well trained that no one had noticed a thing.

There would be no traces at all.

So why are we noticing?

by Guest 16.11.20 18:58

It is one thing to suggest that the OCR booking sheets had been altered and quite something else to suggest the same of the Odometer of a car! I would go along with the inordinate mileage having been driven after the cadaver alert of 6/8 to give any investigation a wider search area for a body, an endeavour likely deemed worthy of undertaking inspite of the inevitable ensuing scrutiny that the car's mileage might have been forseen to attract. In my opinion, if correct, the need for this level of deception also lends itself to the notion of burial and not cremation.

In regard to the body being transported in the car, I don't think we can pick and choose when and where the dogs got it right, however, unpaletable the very thought might be.  If, as you suggest, Crusader the dog's alerts only 'serve as proof that the McCann's had been in contact with a dead Madeleine,' then the alerts would not be confined to the boot, and would be in the cabin of the car on the seats too if this was the case. People do not ordinarily ride around in the boot of cars unless fitted with seats which I don't believe this car was. The alert in the boot was because the dog alerted to the presence of a body having been placed there. I trust the dogs 100% on this.




Secondly

by **Silentscope** 16.11.20 20:41

The Odometer of the Renault Scenic is not Analog, but Digital.

The double rear seats in the Boot area can either be folded down, but not flat, or removed.

Here is a similar vehicle for comparison.

by Guest 16.11.20 20:49

I can't see the point of any of this, nor can I even fathom what's being implied - if anything.

The history of the Renault Scenic hire was thoroughly investigated by the PJ, there was no evidence to suggest any of the previous drivers had any connection with the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

Yet here the hire prior to the McCanns taking possession is being scrutinized. For what reason?

Why would the car hire company be complicit in some sort of deception, be it relevant to the police investigation or not? Who really cares? If the hire company was up to some sort of scam then that's an issue for the police but I fail to see how it relates in any way to the case of Madeleine McCann.

As regards the McCanns period of hire, you would need to know how the company operates before embarking on a super sleuth exercise. For example, I know a bloke who manages a 'reputable' car hire firm in a tourist district. He borrows cars on their books for his own personal use. In addition I once hired a car on renewable basis, I wasn't required to take the car back for a mileage check or inspection of any sort, it was just a case of visiting the office to extend the contract.

Of course, if the car is hired on a limited mileage basis then any excess mileage would be charged - I can't say for certain but if hired on unlimited mileage, the company might have something to say about excessive mileage. They ain't in business for fun!

As I say, you need to know about how they manage their agency otherwise it's a wasted effort trying to find something that just ain't there to be found.

If anyone thinks they are going to map out every trip made by the Renault Scenic, who was driving, where they refueled, how many litres they stuck in the tank, I fear you are heading for an epic failure. I can't even see why it matters.

Still, happy hunting!

The thread appears to be going way off topic.

by **Cammerigal** 16.11.20 22:58

Verdi wrote:I can't see the point of any of this, nor can I even fathom what's being implied - if anything.

The history of the Renault Scenic hire was thoroughly investigated by the PJ, there was no evidence to suggest any of the previous drivers had any connection with the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

Yet here the hire prior to the McCanns taking possession is being scrutinized. For what reason?

Why would the car hire company be complicit in some sort of deception, be it relevant to the police investigation or not? Who really cares? If the hire company was up to some sort of scam then that's an issue for the police but I fail to see how it relates in any way to the case of Madeleine McCann.

As regards the McCanns period of hire, you would need to know how the company operates before embarking on a super sleuth exercise. For example, I know a bloke who manages a 'reputable' car hire firm in a tourist district. He borrows cars on their books for his own personal use. In addition I once hired a car on renewable basis, I wasn't required to take the car back for a mileage check or inspection of any sort, it was just a case of visiting the office to extend the contract.

Of course, if the car is hired on a limited mileage basis then any excess mileage would be charged - I can't say for certain but if hired on unlimited mileage, the company might have something to say about excessive mileage. They ain't in business for fun!

As I say, you need to know about how they manage their agency otherwise it's a wasted effort trying to find something that just ain't there to be found.

If anyone thinks they are going to map out every trip made by the Renault Scenic, who was driving, where they refueled, how many litres they stuck in the tank, I fear you are heading for an epic failure. I can't even see why it matters.

Still, happy hunting!

The thread appears to be going way off topic.

The lady doth protest too much, methinks (Hamlet)

The simple rental analysis, under the lens of IT systems practice points to inconsistencies and potential deception, but not by Budget per se, as their business model is highly dependant upon accurate recording of distance travelled and charging for any excess kms.
Specifically, logical data gaps point to the potential of a cover up, which I do believe is part of the exam question, on this very thread.

Verdi, you may kindly wish to consider creating a new car rental thread to support further sleuthing by those who wish to hunt this one down and thus allow this thread to better revert to your preferred topic scope.

by Guest 17.11.20 0:48

So - your point is what?

by Guest 17.11.20 1:10

Silentscope wrote:The Odometer of the Renault Scenic is not Analog, but Digital.

The double rear seats in the Boot area can either be folded down, but not flat, or removed.

Here is a similar vehicle for comparison.

You do know that manufacturing specifications differ according to the country of manufacture and the target consumer - don't you?

Not that I see an relevance here.

by **Silentscope** 17.11.20 9:40

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I posted the above Video essentially for the benefit of Miffy8 who had questioned the rear seat arrangement in the boot area.
As well as showing the Instrument panel for the benefit of anyone else.
The Dogs inspection Video was not exactly HD quality.

Of course I knew it is not EXACTLY the same car. It was only for showing how the Instruments and Seats look like.

In view of the amount of information that Cammerigal has uncovered, how could the anyone explain Renting a car for a whole month and driving exactly 1Km in it? Or maybe filling it up 2-3 times?

Let alone the amount of places the car was possibly seen to be in that time?

I think the PJ were hampered in their investigation by the technology in 2007, and it has taken £13m and 13 years to find one telephone call from CB?

Sorting out such a small amount of Data in comparison to a Cell tower dump could be easier with a group effort perhaps?

The Forum could be in a position to assist three Police forces in narrowing down the Areas where they could find a body if that is what the reported discussion in Lisbon is about. There are different Software packages available today that were not around then. But they would need feeding with Data in order to work.

It did not take Cammerigal two days to find out that they probably never physically drove the distance in that vehicle. How long would it take to prove it? All it would take is to find out where it was at different times. There are things in this investigation that cannot lie, Dr. Amaral was rightly upset about the Video camera, most Members agree the Dogs are not liars, I think that the Maths cannot lie either.

That must be relevant to any investigation surely?

by Milo 17.11.20 11:10

I can only imagine the expression on KM's face when/if she hears about the content of this odometer-cadaver-petrol thread. I think it would be an expression of glee for her successful gotcha moment. She set a trap and some people fell for it. Is it possible that the blue bag (that was not whooshed but atomised) changed hands/cars more than once?

And I don't even have to imagine the expression on GM's face when he knows that some people believe there is a body actually waiting to be found. Sneer and scorn. Most of us on this forum do not believe there is a body to be found although we agree that there is a dead child.

The McCanns know how Madeleine died and they know what happened to Madeleine's body. Don't we first need to know how Madeleine died...

There are lots of clues in the forensics - not only the dogs that detected cadaverine and blood (two dogs, one a blood specialist, the other a cadaverine specialist) at multiple sites (apartment, car, clothes in villa) but also the tiny splattering of bodily fluid on the walls and curtains in the apartment and blood under a tile.

I wonder how this would have all played out if the McCanns had not been given access to the police files.

by Guest 17.11.20 12:17

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Take your head away from media reports and you might start to see the bigger picture. Your commentary is so inconsistent, the result of taking too much notice of press reports from across the world.

You think dissecting the poor quality copy documentation taken from the PJ files will help three police forces from the developed world solve the case of a missing child - an investigation that has been rumbling on for over a period of thirteen years? A case that is so clearly a state cover-up?

The Portuguese police were hampered by outside interference in what would otherwise be a routine investigation, not by some clapped-out data base or primitive technology.

Asides, there could be any number of reasons why the poor quality rental documentation shows what some think to be suspicious anomalies. What comes out of a computer is fed in by a humanoid in the first place.

It's not possible to draw a map of a day in the life of a Renault Scenic - you would have to speak with the key players. That is what the police do when investigating a crime. If you present an armchair detective perspective of any specific scenario to a police force, without evidence but based only on supposition and presumption, you would be laughed out of the station - destined for the garbage. If you proceed, please don't submit your hypotheses in the name of CMOMM - we can do without the humiliation.

ETA: I will move posts relating to the hired car later today, when I have time, so you can continue your discussion. This is an important thread which shouldn't be taken so far off topic.

by Guest 17.11.20 12:33

Milo wrote:I wonder how this would have all played out if the McCanns had not been given access to the police files.

I've said time and time again, I bet the McCanns are laughing their socks off when they see the online chaos created by their little games - who needs comedy greats when you've got social media to entertain.

by **Silentscope** 17.11.20 16:44

Cammerigal wrote:Budget Car Rental Analysis
I have looked at the car rental bookings and analysed the PJ files via simple EXCEL, with a noted PJ page reference. See enclosed jpeg.
As stated earlier, like the hotel booking, the hire of the Renault Scenic does not make logical sense and has a mendacious aspect of falsification, as outlined below, when consideration is made of computerized systems.

General
The Renault Grand Scenic 1.5 Dci 7L/X1, registration 59-DA-27 was rented out from new by Budget Portugal from 10^th March 2007 with 11km on the clock. It started life at AS Faro Airport, then moved to location AS Praia da Rocha, then finally AS Lagos. It was returned to Budget on 23^rd September 2007 after 213 hire days, showing 11329km on the odometer (aka the clock)

A unique contract ID is issued sequentially, with a 3 part Budget branded contract rental form printed in 3 parts; white original, yellow duplicado and pink triplicado, which are then scanned and recorded in the PJ files.
The renter naming format is; surname then christian name. They also record the driving licence. A 2^nd driver is also added, when required.
The renter address is recorded, but is usually redacted, with the UK recorded in the European format (not in Ingalterra, Portuguese)
Various customer names, Budget car reservation class bookings and customer booking codes (assumed to be the rate card) are used on the mainframe booking system, as is the norm for car rentals.
Finally, A car is normally handed over and back with a full tank of fuel, with the time of handover and handback recorded in hours/minutes format (often using a handheld ODB code reader)

My Not OK observations from the simple PJ file analysis are as follows:

1.    NOK1 – Ref PJ P.2962. The car had a magic mileage jump from 823km to 4099km on 25^th March 2007, when KA Walkden of the UK hired the car at 1018 hrs at Faro airport, after its return at 0832 hrs that day with 823km when returned by JG Patterson. We also note the missing Budget yellow duplicado form. Walkden had it for 7 days, driving 846 km, handing it back with 4945 km on the 1^st April at 0832hrs, at the airport. NB Walkden, apart form being a golfer has a Leicestershire based inflatable business.....
This mileage jump should not happen.

2.    NOK2 – Ref PJ P.2929- On the 2^nd April, the car had 4000km erased from its clock, for when RA Lowes of the UK hired it at 1130hrs with 945km on the clock. He had it for 10 days, running 221km.
This mileage deletion should not have happened and the clocking would be illegal.

3.    NOK3 – Ref PJ P.2909. On the 23^rd May 2007, McCann Gerald of Inglaterra hired it in AS Lagos at 1230hrs with 3114km, with Michael Wright as 2^nd driver and 7/8^th tank of fuel. He had it for 7 days and managed a nice ‘round’ mileage of 750km, with 3864km recorded.
The hire was then extended for AS Lagos by Zenith rent a car (Budget UK head office) for McCann and Wright on the 27^th May with 3864km on the clock. They managed to drive a perfect ‘round’ 2000km in 30 days until 3^rd July with 5864km recorded
·         It is noteworthy that his country of origin is now Inglaterra and not UK
Perfect round mileages are not driveable and thus not believable

4.    NOK4 – Ref PJ P.2912. McCann Gerald re-hires it in AS Lagos (Ocean club) on 3^rd July at 1230hrs with 5864km on the clock. There is no return date or check in
A car hire should have a return check in
He managed zero recorded mileage. An oversight?
A car rental contract must show IN and OUT details

5.    NOK5 – Ref PJ P.2915. DR Gerald P. MC Cann of Inglaterra rehires it in AS Lagos on 2^nd August with 5865km on the clock and keeps it for 30 days, with a return on 1^st September with 5866km – just 1 km magically travelled in a month.
·         His name has changed to reverse format. This name reversal cannot happen with mainframe computer coding
·         The Budget branding has disappeared on the hire forms
·         There is no recognition of white original, yellow duplicado and pink triplicado text on the 3 part forms
Is this a falsified record?

6.    NOK6 – Ref PJ P.2918 DR Gerald P. MC Cann of Inglaterra with Michael Wright rehire it in AS Lagos on 1^st September with 5866km on the clock. There is no return date or check in. He keeps it for just 22 days, as Renault insist on its return. It’s recorded mileage on the 23^rd September is 14443 km. McCann has driven 11329 km in 141 days.
·         The McCann name is changed to reverse format. This name reversal cannot happen with mainframe computer coding
·         The Budget branding has disappeared on the hire forms
·         There is no recognition of white original, yellow duplicado and pink triplicado text on the 3 part forms
·         A car hire should have a return check in
Is this a falsified record?

7.    NOK7 – The return mileage recorded is 11329km in the 213 days, but analysis of the individual rental sheets shows a total of 15047 km. We have a gap of 3718km
Are there falsified car rental mileage records?

Again I propose that OCR scanning may work some of the time on outputs to present a 'nice' picture , but the main computer database cannot be easily compromised
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Readers may wish to critique the methodology and add observations, such as observed landmarks when the car was seen in use on videos

I would “kick off” here if I may.

The best result I could reasonably expect from this is that it could be proved that the Kilometres were altered, and perhaps between which points in time. By who and why is for the PJ to find out.

The Spanish Police have already informed the PJ of areas in Spain the McCanns were observed where they had no good reason to be. Where these points are is not Public knowledge as far as I am aware. Whilst a lot of time and effort has been spent on Mobiles phone pings, deleted Calls and SMSs, the Hire car was only ever checked Forensically. The recent “Secret meeting” in Lisbon was to discuss where a body could likely have been deposited. The challenge in the Press “Find the body and prove we killed her” leads me to believe there is one.
Dr. Amaral also believes that there was Evidence to support this found in the Vehicle.

If enough Kilometres travel can be accounted for and verified, it may reach a point where it would become impossible to complete the remainder.

This would be at least proof that something really does not “add up”. If nothing else it may become a quick source of reference for other researchers wanting to know who was where, and when.

by **Silentscope** 18.11.20 20:56

Published 09.08.07
Date and time of filming unknown.
Any help with identifying locations would be appreciated.

by **Cammerigal** 18.11.20 22:44

Further to my rental analysis;
The big 'elephant in the room' is the non use of a highly utilised, popular rental car from 12th April to 8th May. A logical data gap. This cover the false abduction narrative period and follows on from the the NOK 1 and 2, ODO mileage jump and subsequent removal of 4000kms.
Illogical from a car rental business perspective as assets should never be idle.

Also, this is the car with the scent of death, detected by the dogs in the rear wheel well behind the 3rd row of seats in the Renault Scenic on 6th & 7th August 2007. See Inspection report PJ12_volume_XIIa_Page 3229
The mileage logged by the PJ and Grimes was 9329km PJ P.3232 - which is not as per 2 the rental dockets

And then we have the above McCann driving the Scenic video, tactically posted on youtube, 9th August 2007

by **Silentscope** 19.11.20 8:30

Verdi did (quite rightly) add that any Data put in to a Computer or Paper record is entirely reliant on us mere humans to do it.

As the FBI say RIRO “rubbish in - rubbish out”.

It may be that someone just put the wrong mileage on the wrong paperwork. No “clocking” required. The PJ seem satisfied that the vehicle was not a point of interest until the McCanns picked it up.

If anyone can find a record of the Vehicle underway between 12.04 - 08.5.07 this would be interesting!

I have set up my own Excel table and will share any progress on tracking these irregularities in due course.

by **Silentscope** 19.11.20 8:58

McCanns leaving the Villa for the return Flight to the U.K.
EasyJet was due for takeoff 09:30 on Sunday from Faro.

by **Silentscope** 21.11.20 16:57

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The examination of the interior of the vehicle was initiated, register was also taken of the kilometres clocked at 9329 km.
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So,

03.07.07 5865 Kms Budget paperwork
06.08.07 9329 Kms Dogs inspection PORTIMAO
09.08.07 or before, on video Driving over a Bridge and at a Petrol Station.
01.09.07 5866 Kms Budget paperwork

DEFINITELY another NOK - Not okay at all...

goodpoint

by **Silentscope** 21.11.20 21:25

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Trip to Huelva

The Huelva trip was on the 3 Aug 07. The timeline, according to the British newspaper, The Sun, is as follows:

09:00 Leave Praia da Luz
Estimated distance to HUELVA is 110 Kms.
12:15 Arrive Huelva (expected at 11:00am)
13:00 Distribute leaflets and posters at train station
13:30 Distribute leaflets and posters at cathedral
14:00 Distribute leaflets and posters at bus station
14:20 Leave to return to Praia da Luz

Gerry's blog: It is exactly 3 months since Madeleine was abducted. Kate and I had an early start as we drove to Huelva, 50Km over the border from Portugal in Southern Spain. We were meant to go yesterday but had to cancel because I was ill.

Unfortunately it was a public holiday in Huelva and the large shopping centre we planned to visit was closed. We did distribute posters in several garages, taxi ranks and the bus and train stations and gave out some Madeleine wristbands. This was definitely a worthwhile exercise, as many people did not seemingly recognise Madeleine but we did get a very warm response from the Spanish people we met. We would encourage everyone to continue taking posters on holiday but please ask permission before putting them up in public places.

When we arrived back in Praia da Luz we did a couple of media interviews to building up to August 11th, which will mark 100 days if Madeleine is still missing. There will be a lot of media activity next week reviewing Madeleine's abduction, the investigation and of course the campaign to help find her. It is an opportunity to highlight that we have not given up hope and are still optimistic of being reunited with Madeleine.

by **Silentscope** 23.11.20 10:02

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Did someone here write 93,292.0 Kms or mean 9,329.2 Kms?
Difficult to make out on the Photograph even using image enhancement.