'Maddie cops to quiz British paedo in prison in Malta', MIRROR, 3 Dec 2014 - on and on it goes

jeanmonroe wrote:It's SNOW joke!

The 'establishment' won't be able to 'find' an INDEPENDANT 'chair person' as they have, all, and i mean ALL, from PM's and Judge's (Justice's Leveson and Hogg ) MP's, LOTS of 'evidence' of THAT (lovely photo's and 'statements' and video's), down, at one time or another, these past 7 1/2 YEARS, been 'associated' with the McCann's!

...and you can get the media to report the cost of xxx millions of pounds being spent on the Madeleine case, the usual public debate/outrage when in fact the cost of government inquiries is astronomical.

You can have the 'what about Ben Needham' interest.

You can have 'Missing People' the charity that 'really does something' and is endorsed by UK Police.

You can have all sorts of things....just don't expect the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

The 'establishment' could always, of course, ASK me, to 'chair' an inquiry!

"I'm FREEEE"!

aquila wrote:

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You can have all sorts of things....just don't expect the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

One might get an Iraq independent type of enquiry, or maybe even one of the banking collapse variety. The type of enquiry where 'lessons can be learnt' but no-one will be held accountable, other than of course the long suffering taxpayers.

All you are requesting with a public enquiry is yet another feasting for the higher echelon jobs for the boys brigade. Whatever happened to the 'We're all in it together' financial crisis. There's always money for the wrong people and wrong causes. The Madelaine McCann story is a massive distraction from the real havoc that has been wreaked on this country over the past quarter of a century by the establishment, a bit like the force feeding of celebrities by the media , TV soap operas, instant gratification reality shows etc. opiates for the masses.

jeanmonroe wrote:

plebgate wrote:Yesterday we heard about the new date for libel trial, today we have this (old) news.    Another coincidence?

WHO, at the 'Mirror' has the authority and endorses that Maddie 'stories' can go to press'?

WHO 'gives' the 'SAY SO'?

I wonder. Because of all the papers The Mirror does seem to come up with the most rubbishy news with regards to the Madeleine McCann case. Still peddling the mystery abductor story. On the other hand, a paedo ring may not be very far from at least some of the truth, imo. And the people police are talking to are getting closer to TM than previously. John Hill didn't seem to buy into the abduction story, if his early interviews are anything to go by. And he confirmed there were no signs of a break-in to the apartment. Which proves that members of the McCann family got the facts wrong from the word go.

j.rob wrote:

"Which proves that members of the McCann family got the facts wrong from the word go"
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I'm sure you are a very nice person, j.rob, but, imo, far to 'polite'!

THE MCCANN'S didn't 'get it wrong', they LIED, to their families and friends, back in the UK, via, diliberately 'dialled' phone  numbers, about the shutter, even though they knew, KNEW, the shutter was perfectly 'intact',and not 'smashed, jemmied, forced or broken', as they TOLD people in UK, who repeated that 'claim' by rote, to the UK Madia, without 'verifying' for themselves that what they were being TOLD was actually 'true'.

What a 'shock' those 'rellies' must have got when they arrived at the OC, PDL, within hours, gratis, by OC, MW. to 'find' they had been er, diliberately, 'misled' about the shutter 'story'

And, what a 'shock' those 'rellies' must have got to 'learn' that THREE of their family 'members' all under four years of age, had diliberately and consciously, been left alone, in an unlocked, out of sight apartment, every night,  for at LEAST half an hour, (34 minutes between G&K McCann leaving their apartment, at 8:30pm and GM's first 'check', 9:04pm, 3rd May 2007) between 'checks', left at serious risk of 'harm' to themselves or by 'others' (falls, cuts, pills 'abduction' 'assualt, or god fobid, 'death' etc.,)

But, as GM has said, "it COULD (phew! wipes brow) have been worse, we could have lost all THREE of our kids"

GM: "Don't forget there were THREE children, left alone, by us, in that room"

THAT 'statement' alone should qualify him, amongst his peers, for the 'Father of the Year' award, indefinitely!

What an absolute fcuking P***K!

That's me being 'polite' j.rob.

jeanmonroe wrote:j.rob wrote:

"Which proves that members of the McCann family got the facts wrong from the word go"
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I'm sure you are a very nice person, j.rob, but, imo, far to 'polite'!

THE MCCANN'S didn't 'get it wrong', they LIED, to their families and friends, back in the UK, via, diliberately 'dialled' phone  numbers, about the shutter, even though they knew, KNEW, the shutter was perfectly 'intact',and not 'smashed, jemmied, forced or broken', as they TOLD people in UK, who repeated that 'claim' by rote, to the UK Madia, without 'verifying' for themselves that what they were being TOLD was actually 'true'.

What a 'shock' those 'rellies' must have got when they arrived at the OC, PDL, within hours, gratis, by OC, MW. to 'find' they had been er, diliberately, 'misled' about the shutter 'story'

I wasn't really trying to be polite! But surely there is a contradiction here? If the McCanns had phoned their families and friends that night, straight after when-ever the abduction is supposed to have occurred (anywhere between 9.15pm according to at least one eye-witness statement and 10pm according to Kate) then why would they have told such an obvious lie? 

We know it is a fact that there were no jemmied shutter and no sign at all of a break-in. Why lie about something so obvious? They could still have advanced the random mystery abductor theory without lying about jemmied shutters, couldn't they? If the doors and or windows were unlocked then someone could have gone in and 'stolen' Madeleine without leaving obvious traces. It's not impossible. Burglars sometimes gain entry at night through an unlocked window, for instance, and steal things while everyone is asleep. It's not impossible that an abductor could have gained entry in this way - or even managed to get hold of a key to the apartment - and get inside and take Madeleine away leaving very few traces.

And in actual fact they did still advance the mystery abductor theory even though the shutters were not jemmied and they were no obvious signs of a break-in.

This is what makes me think that someone was supposed to jemmy the shutters. But didn't. Something or someone landed TM in it right at the last minute. The family back home already knew prior to the 9.15pm - 10pm kick off (depending on which version of events you read) that the plan was for the shutters to be jemmied (I reckon at around 9.15pm). 

There was a last minute stitch up (Jez Wilkins and/or the Naylors/Riders?)  Kate yells out  ("the f****** bastards have taken her) because in the panic she forgets her lines which should have been something like: "Someone has broken into the apartment and stolen Madeleine. The shutters have been jemmied open.) 

In the total panic that ensues, no-one from Team McCann has time to tell family at home that the shutters have not, in actual fact, been broken. Although Gerry does later tell family:"It's been a disaster." So, family at home think that the pre-planned script has gone ahead. And come up with the original lines.

I can't think of any other reason for making such a fundamental mistake. The hoax was thrown into complete turmoil at the very last minute, imo. And Jez Wilkins has something to do with this I do believe. 

That's why the time-lines got in a mess. Probably why the Tapas invented Tanner-man.

Smith-man could conceivably have been Gerry or another Tapas male (or another friend/acquaintance for instance) being forced to 'fake the abduction', but then why did they invent Tanner-man? It is ludicrous to suggest that they are one and the same person, as Kate has attempted to do in her book, because what abductor worth his or her salt is going to stagger around for 45 minutes carrying a child? That makes no sense.

So I think Smith-man (whether real or not and however he was) was a curve-ball thrown in to the air to, maybe, get Robert Murat off the hook (whereby he is handsomely rewarded for being a patsy) and also to point a finger of suspicion on Gerry McCann. The Smith-man sighting (whether it happened or not - it could conceivably have been staged by someone to land TM in it)  served as a warning to Gerry, imo and Team McCann. 

A theory as always.

jeanmonroe wrote:
THE MCCANN'S didn't 'get it wrong', they LIED, to their families and friends, back in the UK, via, diliberately 'dialled' phone  numbers, about the shutter, even though they knew, KNEW, the shutter was perfectly 'intact',and not 'smashed, jemmied, forced or broken', as they TOLD people in UK, who repeated that 'claim' by rote, to the UK Madia, without 'verifying' for themselves that what they were being TOLD was actually 'true'.
What a 'shock' those 'rellies' must have got when they arrived at the OC, PDL, within hours, gratis, by OC, MW. to 'find' they had been er, deliberately, 'misled' about the shutter 'story'
And, what a 'shock' those 'rellies' must have got to 'learn' that THREE of their family 'members' all under four years of age, had deliberately and consciously, been left alone, in an unlocked, out of sight apartment, every night,  for at LEAST half an hour, (34 minutes between G&K McCann leaving their apartment, at 8:30pm and GM's first 'check', 9:04pm, 3rd May 2007) between 'checks', left at serious risk of 'harm' to themselves or by 'others' (falls, cuts, pills 'abduction' 'assualt, or god fobid, 'death' etc.,)

Quite.
What did the Phragrant Philomena think when she went round to the apartment to find that she had been cynically used to tell the world a load of nonsense ?
What did she say to her little brother ?
What word did she use for LIE ?
What did the mothers say ? We know they said something because they got sent home !

Is it just me, or have I missed that the Malta man is the same one who was spoken to two months ago.

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On the run British paedophile who was in Portugal when Madeleine McCann disappeared to be quizzed by detectives after being arrested in Malta
Roderick MacDonald has been arrested and is to be extradited to Britain
He may have been living in Portugal at the time of Madeleine's disappearance
MacDonald is a convicted paedophile for crimes in Australia and Britain
He was arrested in Malta on Monday and approved for extradition yesterday


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British police investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann have quizzed a convicted paedophile said to have been in the Algarve when she vanished.
Officers from Scotland Yard flew to Malta to question Roderick MacDonald, 77, in his prison cell in a bid to uncover any vital clues about who snatched little Madeleine, aged three at the time.


The one who was in NEW ZEALAND from 2002 to 2009
Confucius, he say Confusion is good !

It's quite possible, in my opinion, that the McCanns told relatives back home that the shutters were open when they discovered Madeleine missing, then, as the story was passed on by word of mouth, it developed legs and went from open to forced/smashed and finally jemmied.

Daryl Dixon wrote:It's quite possible, in my opinion, that the McCanns told relatives back home that the shutters were open when they discovered Madeleine missing, then, as the story was passed on by word of mouth, it developed legs and went from open to forced/smashed and finally jemmied.

Richard D. Hall's dvds show videos of the McCann parents and Gerry's sister telling that the shutters were forced open and in Philo's case "jimmed" so this is not third hand and Chinese whispers. I think the shutters were supposed to be forced open by Gerry but he got waylaid by Jez Wilkins. Unfortunately, Kate didn't know that.

jeanmonroe wrote:The 'establishment' could always, of course, ASK me, to 'chair' an inquiry!

"I'm FREEEE"!

Love to see it, but it aint gonna happen.

Daryl Dixon wrote:It's quite possible, in my opinion, that the McCanns told relatives back home that the shutters were open when they discovered Madeleine missing, then, as the story was passed on by word of mouth, it developed legs and went from open to forced/smashed and finally jemmied.

NO Chinese 'whispers' here:

Kate rings another close friend, Jon Corner, at 3 (THREE) am, 4th May 2007, FIVE (5) HOURS AFTER the 'event'! And knew, KNEW, the shutter was, in fact, in perfect condition, as proven by her husband who was lowering and raising the shutter, in FRONT of her, with DW and FP, in attendance, within minutes of them entering the apartment at 10:00pm.
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Jon Corner, a close friend of Mrs McCann and godparent of the twins, said Kate telephoned him in the middle of the night distraught.
He said: "She just blurted out that Madeleine had been abducted. She told me, 'They HAVE BROKEN THE SHUTTER on the window and taken my little girl.'

"They had left the apartment locked while they were having their meal, but when they went back the last time they SAW THE DAMAGE."

After speaking to her a second time, he repeated his earlier account, but this time in stronger language

He told how tearful Kate sobbed down the phone early yesterday: "Someone has taken my little girl."

He continued: "She was in an absolutely hysterical state - very, very distressed. She blurted out Madeleine had been abducted.

"Kate said THE SHUTTERS OF THE ROOM WERE SMASHED. Madeleine was missing It looks as though someone had gone straight past the twins to get to her. Kate was incredibly upset. I've spoken to her since, and she's still completely devastated.

"She's also very upset that the police don't seem to be doing more to find............"

(Unlike herself, who was frantically phoning friends in the UK, but not actually 'searching' for her daughter, herself)
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"They had left the apartment LOCKED while they were having their meal..........."

Oh dear! That's not what they say NOW, is it Jon?

Oh dear! If the apartment was 'locked' HOW did MO get 'in' to see the twins 'breathing'?

Oh dear! If the apartment was 'locked' HOW did the burglator get 'in'?

The McCanns now SAY 'he/she/they must have got 'in' through the patio door which we, diliberately and consciously, left UNLOCKED, so our friends could check on our kids, which none on them had, until the 'fateful' night MO 'volunteered' to check the McCann kids, for the very FIRST time, of the whole week"

Bottom line?

She LIED, with as many teeth, in her mouth, to her own daughter's Godfather!

SHUTTERS

These were four SEPARATE calls from the McCanns to Four - at least - separate people.
Philomena not on this list, so there may have been more.

First reports
In the 24 hours following the report of Madeleine’s disappearance the following
family members and close friends reported almost identical stories to the press
They are of course hearsay as to the state of the shutters and window, but they are
direct evidence of what they were told by the McCanns.
That is a crucial difference.
Trish Cameron -
Gerry McCanns sister, said she received a telephone call from her 39-year-old
brother, a consultant cardiologist, who was "hysterical and crying his eyes out".
She said: "They last checked at half past nine and they were all sound asleep,
sleeping, windows shut, shutters shut. Kate went back at 10 o'clock to check. The
front door was lying open, the window had been tampered with, the shutters
had been jemmied open or whatever you call it and Madeleine was missing...” [1]
Brian Healy -
Madeleine's maternal grandfather, told the Guardian his son-in-law had phoned
him shortly after returning "Gerry told me when they went back the shutters to the
room were broken, they were jemmied up and she was gone," said Mr Healy.
"She'd been taken from the chalet. The door was open." [2]
Jon Corner -
a close friend of Kate McCann and godparent of the twins, said she phoned him in
the middle of the night distraught. He said: "She just blurted out that Madeleine had
been abducted. Kate said the shutters of the room were smashed. Madeleine
was missing It looks as though someone had gone straight past the twins to get to
her. [3]
Jill (or Gill) Renwick -
a family friend told GMTV the McCanns were certain that Madeleine has been
abducted. "They were just watching the hotel room and going back every half-hour
and the shutters had been broken open and they had gone into the room and
taken Madeleine," she said.” [4]
Observation
1 In all four cases it is reported that the shutters were broken open, smashed,
or jemmied.
2 Three of the reports include that the door was open, or hanging open.
As one commentator, John Blacksmith, has percipiently noted -
“What must be appreciated, at this point, is that these comments, from closest
family and friends - the first to be contacted, are not Chinese whispers. It is not a
case that the McCanns rang one person, who got the message wrong, and this got
passed on to everyone else. These are four people who received independent
telephone calls from Gerry or Kate, in the hours following the 'abduction', and made
independent statements. Yet, the statements all recount the same story. The
McCanns' apartment was locked, so the 'abductor' must have gained access via
the jemmied shutters and left via the front door.”

Having read PeterM's last post surely at least one of the people contacted and told about the jemmied shutters must now wonder why that statement was changed?

PeterMac wrote:What do you use to whitewash whitewash ?
How do you cover up a cover-up ?

Maybe you just keep going round in circles. I has worked for them...so far.

In my opinion.

plebgate wrote:Having read PeterM's last post surely at least one of the people contacted and told about the jemmied shutters must now wonder why that statement was changed?

Because people would rather accept a lie than face an uncomfortable truth , especially as there catalogue of alleged charges namely , concealment , disposing of there own child , fraud , lying to the world inc the pope ., etc etc . Would not look good by association , of friends and kin especially at society dinners !!.
' Oh look George, its them who knew the McCann's "

IMO some it will be denial , some it will be my above point , and some it will be because they are equally as bad . but i don't believe for a second there inner sanctum are not fully versed re this case .

j.rob wrote:
This is what makes me think that someone was supposed to jemmy the shutters. But didn't. Something or someone landed TM in it right at the last minute. The family back home already knew prior to the 9.15pm - 10pm kick off (depending on which version of events you read) that the plan was for the shutters to be jemmied (I reckon at around 9.15pm).

I agree about the shutters. There is a level of rank stupidity in announcing to the world your shutters have been 'done' when they are perfectly intact, unbecoming of the level of intelligence you'd expect from highly educated professionals. Are these the kind with high intelligence and no common sense?

To give the appearance of jemmied shutters, I suppose someone would have had to go outside and jemmy the shutters...
"Hi Gerry. What are you doing up there?"
Bang! Crash!
"F*ck off! I'm jemmying the shutters"

In my opinion.

Perhaps they didn`t want their friends and relatives to know how the abductor really got in. The truth may have resulted in a tirade of abuse from them. In hindsight, a very niaive thing for the McCanns to do but maybe they thought that the investigation would quickly move on and that "minor" detail would not become public knowledge.

stillsloppingout wrote:

plebgate wrote:Having read PeterM's last post surely at least one of the people contacted and told about the jemmied shutters must now wonder why that statement was changed?

Because people would rather accept a lie than face an uncomfortable truth ,  especially as there catalogue of alleged  charges namely , concealment , disposing of there own child , fraud , lying to the world inc the pope ., etc etc . Would not look good by association , of friends and kin  especially at society dinners !!.
' Oh look George, its them who knew the McCann's "

IMO some it will be denial , some it will be my above point , and some it will be because they are equally as bad . but i don't believe for a second there inner sanctum are not fully versed re this case .

It's their remaining pair of kids I feel sorry for. They've done nothing yet they'll always be associated with this mess, having to fall into a patterns of denial and defence just to get through what should have been a 'normal' childhood. I hope they make it through undamaged enough to GTFO of McCann Land and restart life under a different name or something. What is more likely to happen is that they will just take up the baton. Shame.

In my opinion.

mysterion wrote:Perhaps they didn`t want their friends and relatives to know how the abductor really got in. The truth may have resulted in a tirade of abuse from them. In hindsight, a very niaive thing for the McCanns to do but maybe they thought that the investigation would quickly move on and that "minor" detail would not become public knowledge.

I think they would have hoped the hoo-ha about a missing child would be the focus too, which is why they had no qualms about getting the media to stir up the pot. What they didn't bank on, it seems, was real police work, and a wiley and experienced copper on the job who put the focus on them. Not part of the (very ill-conceived) plan!

In my opinion.

Maybe Gerry was supposed to 'jemmie' them and seeing Jez scuppered him.

I don`t think so because Gerry told the same story.

mysterion wrote:Perhaps they didn`t want their friends and relatives to know how the abductor really got in. The truth may have resulted in a tirade of abuse from them. In hindsight, a very niaive thing for the McCanns to do but maybe they thought that the investigation would quickly move on and that "minor" detail would not become public knowledge.

'how THE 'abductor' really got in'?

mysterion, what 'abductor'?

stillsloppingout wrote:

plebgate wrote:Having read PeterM's last post surely at least one of the people contacted and told about the jemmied shutters must now wonder why that statement was changed?

Because people would rather accept a lie than face an uncomfortable truth ,  especially as there catalogue of alleged  charges namely , concealment , disposing of there own child , fraud , lying to the world inc the pope ., etc etc . Would not look good by association , of friends and kin  especially at society dinners !!.
' Oh look George, its them who knew the McCann's "

IMO some it will be denial , some it will be my above point , and some it will be because they are equally as bad . but i don't believe for a second there inner sanctum are not fully versed re this case .

Mark Twain — 'It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.'

jeanmonroe wrote:

mysterion wrote:Perhaps they didn`t want their friends and relatives to know how the abductor really got in. The truth may have resulted in a tirade of abuse from them. In hindsight, a very niaive thing for the McCanns to do but maybe they thought that the investigation would quickly move on and that "minor" detail would not become public knowledge.

'how THE 'abductor' really got in'?

mysterion, what 'abductor'?

Sorry, I forgot the inverted commas.

noddy100 wrote:Maybe Gerry was supposed to 'jemmie' them and seeing Jez scuppered him.

Always thought that could be what happened..........then JT gave him an alibi by claiming to see Bundleman whilst Gerry and Jez were chatting.

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j.rob wrote:This is what makes me think that someone was supposed to jemmy the shutters. But didn't. Something or someone landed TM in it right at the last minute. The family back home already knew prior to the 9.15pm - 10pm kick off (depending on which version of events you read) that the plan was for the shutters to be jemmied (I reckon at around 9.15pm). 
IMO

I don't know if there is any significance in this but on the Monday, weren't the handymen around at 5a to repair the washing machine and the shutters in the other bedroom that had been broken by Gerry? I am sure that Kate mentions this in her book.

You may be right, maybe the shutters were meant to be jemmied, but was there an earlier plan that went wrong?