Re:Recap on the Tennis Ball Photo

by Sparklehorse 16.05.14 22:22

Thank you Woofer that's the one. my iPad hates me won't copy links or photos a lot of the time.

by worriedmum 16.05.14 22:26

I wondered if the lower red characters were xxx which I think means the balls are 'seconds'?

by MF77 16.05.14 22:31

If you're trying to diagnose potential photoshop fraud with any of the above pics, do you realise you can run them through photo forensics, to see what's been 'edited, copied or pasted' into an image?

I'm pretty sure too, that there is no digital way of removing such activity.

by Hicks 16.05.14 22:32

Andrew77R wrote:
canada12 wrote:The man behind the house was identified as one of the other holidaymakers that I believe the McCanns knew. What's peculiar about him is his feet. If you look closely he's facing one direction and his feet and legs are facing another direction in an impossible position, even if he were an extremely agile ballet dancer or acrobat.

I can't remember his name off the top of my head.

The other interesting things about this photo are:

1. If you stand "Madeleine" up straight she'd be much taller than your average 3-4 year old
2. "Madeleine" has two left feet
3. The shadows are all very peculiar

For me, this is a primary example of a manipulated photo with elements that have been added to make a composite. IMO.
Yes - your very correct with your observations. Not noticed it before..

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Wow, now those oddities are pointed out the photo make sense. GM is playing with the twins only, Madeleine has been added. The bald man has been added in the background to propel the myth that people were watching them. KM says on the Corner clip in August that 'they must have been watching us for days'.

Wonder when the photo was taken?

If the photo has been altered that means the bald man is in on the scam otherwise he would have alerted to it by and we wouldn't be here now.

by Guest 16.05.14 22:35

Hicks: the dark-haired girl is the Paynes' daughter, not Amelie.

I would hazard a guess that this photo was taken on 28th April as the clothes that the children are wearing are very similar to those in the airport and bus video.

by juliet 16.05.14 22:36

Where is the lower half of Sean's body? Why does he look tiny compared to Madeleine when in other photos he is almost the same size?

by canada12 16.05.14 22:41

Unfortunately that Bruno press pic isn't very good. Here's a better image (with annotations someone else made unfortunately):

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There used to be some very good versions of this picture online but I'm not sure where they've disappeared to. I'll look.

by Guest 16.05.14 22:45

Woofer wrote:
Sparklehorse wrote:The man behind the Wendy House in the playground photo in my opinion bears quite a resemblance to Revd Lars F Nowen the Snr Chaplain at St Vincent's Anglican Church - Haynes Hubbard's successor. Check out [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] and go to the people section. There is a picture of him full length in casual clothes on the website if you search for 30 hr famine which gives a better comparison.

wAS IT THIS ONE?

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by Guest 16.05.14 22:47

juliet wrote:Where is the lower half of Sean's body? Why does he look tiny compared to Madeleine when in other photos he is almost the same size?

Good point. Why is there shadows in front of Sean as well??

Get's weirder every time you look at this pic....

by Hicks 16.05.14 22:47

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:Hicks: the dark-haired girl is the Paynes' daughter, not Amelie.

I would hazard a guess that this photo was taken on 28th April as the clothes that the children are wearing are very similar to those in the airport and bus video.

Yes, sorry. Though I still think GM is playing with the two children sat down and that Madeleine was never there.

If the photo was taken that early on, and it has been doctored (no pun intended) then it would lend to the theory that the whole thing was pre-planned back in the UK.

by canada12 16.05.14 22:49

Hicks wrote:
No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:Hicks: the dark-haired girl is the Paynes' daughter, not Amelie.

I would hazard a guess that this photo was taken on 28th April as the clothes that the children are wearing are very similar to those in the airport and bus video.
Yes, sorry. Though I still think GM is playing with the two children sat down and that Madeleine was never there.

If the photo was taken that early on, and it has been doctored (no pun intended) then it would lend to the theory that the whole thing was pre-planned back in the UK.

Not necessarily. They may have had a photo of Sean and the other little girl, with or without Gerry, taken early on in the holiday. Gerry and / or Madeleine could have been added after she disappeared.

by Hicks 16.05.14 22:51

Yes canada12, that is possible..........ooh my head hurts!

by Guest 16.05.14 22:52

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There are two other photos taken in the playground though.

by Guest 16.05.14 22:59

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There are two other photos taken in the playground though.

Those 2 other pictures of M in the playground on that link don't even look like Madeleine IMO.....

by Guest 16.05.14 23:03

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Is that the same girl....... Really......???

by missbeetle 16.05.14 23:09

Andrew77R wrote:
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There are two other photos taken in the playground though.
Those 2 other pictures of M in the playground on that link don't even look like Madeleine IMO.....

Just out of curiosity, has anyone a bit 'dental' had a look at all these pictures of Madeleine? Might be easy with a good 'eye' to say, yep, same child, no - someone completely different etc. Also approx. ages of purported child/ren?

by juliet 16.05.14 23:11

The othe playground picture with Madeleine supposedly at the door of the playhouse was also torn apart by photo experts on 3 As. Blurring in the wrong places, a yellow panel where it shouldn't be etc.

by Woofer 16.05.14 23:15

Châtelaine wrote:
Woofer wrote:
Sparklehorse wrote:The man behind the Wendy House in the playground photo in my opinion bears quite a resemblance to Revd Lars F Nowen the Snr Chaplain at St Vincent's Anglican Church - Haynes Hubbard's successor. Check out [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] and go to the people section. There is a picture of him full length in casual clothes on the website if you search for 30 hr famine which gives a better comparison.

wAS IT THIS ONE?

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by Guest 16.05.14 23:39

There's no reason to snipe at me, Woofer.
The subject has been brought up several times before, and it wasn't just me to contradict it at those times.
Good night smilie

by canada12 16.05.14 23:45

juliet wrote:The othe playground picture with Madeleine supposedly at the door of the playhouse was also torn apart by photo experts on 3 As. Blurring in the wrong places, a yellow panel where it shouldn't be etc.

Yup, I was one of them on 3A's. I found a picture of the exact same playhouse showing the door panel - the yellow in it is in the wrong place entirely and has been used to fill in a space.

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Here's some work of others on the Truth for Madeleine website:
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by Doug D 16.05.14 23:47

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Pretty sure its been confirmed & I believe there is no doubt that 'mystery man' is Raj Balu, who was staying that week.

by canada12 16.05.14 23:52

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Pretty sure its been confirmed & I believe there is no doubt that 'mystery man' is Raj Balu, who was staying that week.

I think you're right ! :-)

by juliet 16.05.14 23:55

The McCanns were trying to prove something with these fake pictures. But what? And by the by, in almost every supposed PdL photo of Madeleine she is dressed like some poor little orphan with unwashed hair and cheap clothes. Yet so many of the pics said to be Maddie at home have her done up in make up, or fancy dress.

by Guest 16.05.14 23:57

Thats the one. Raj 'weird feet' Balu.

by Guest 17.05.14 0:03

canada12 wrote:
juliet wrote:The othe playground picture with Madeleine supposedly at the door of the playhouse was also torn apart by photo experts on 3 As. Blurring in the wrong places, a yellow panel where it shouldn't be etc.
Yup, I was one of them on 3A's. I found a picture of the exact same playhouse showing the door panel - the yellow in it is in the wrong place entirely and has been used to fill in a space.

Edited to add:
Here's some work of others on the Truth for Madeleine website:
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So she is about a meter in height there then... (however i'm not convinced that girl is MBM - see comparison in earlier post)

How tall did they say she was? Can't remember.

What did people on the 3A's think that strange yellow area was....

by TheTruthWillOut 17.05.14 0:11

The 'official' height I think was said to be 90cm. Which for a nearly 4 year old was thought to be quite short.

by TheTruthWillOut 17.05.14 0:20

And I think this image shows the yellow section of the playhouse to be in the right place. Just that it is being partially blocked?

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by canada12 17.05.14 2:14

TheTruthWillOut wrote:And I think this image shows the yellow section of the playhouse to be in the right place. Just that it is being partially blocked?

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If that's the case, then there's an extra "ledge" of red between Madeleine's left hand and her body.

If you'll compare where the yellow panel is on the door in the top picture, you can see that it's in the middle of the "cross" formed by the frames of the four windows. Below it is a narrow vertical strip of red, and below to the right is an open window.

If you look at Madeleine's left hand, there's a "gap" behind her hand which looks like a cutout where you can see grass. Between her hand and her body, to the left of the cutout, is a red filled in panel. Above the red filled in panel is a piece of yellow.

If it was a true picture of the inside of the door, as shown in the top picture, between Madeleine's hand and her body the entire space would be an open window and you might catch a glimpse of the edge of the lower narrow vertical crossbar. As you can see in the top picture, the raised frame around the windows leads down from the circle at the top, then at the bottom, turns to the left. Between the raised frame and the interior crossbars, the windows are clear.

In the Madeleine picture, between the raised frame and Madeleine's body, a red area has been filled in.

by canada12 17.05.14 2:31

I can't get the whole door in with this posting but you can find the picture in its entirety here:
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I thought that the clear area beside Madeleine's hand should have been larger... but I did an experiment. I made pictures of both doors the same size, and drew a vertical line down from the middle of the circular window, to the door frame.

You know what?
You're right!
I admit I'm wrong.
The yellow thing is in the right place and the red vertical post going down to the door frame is in the right place and is the right size. The little window beside Madeleine's hand is very very tiny. It seems like it shouldn't be that tiny. But it is.
Thank you TheTruthWillOut !
(I don't often admit I'm wrong but the evidence is there)
I'd have edited my post above this but I ran out of time and it wouldn't let me.

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by canada12 17.05.14 3:25

TheTruthWillOut wrote:The 'official' height I think was said to be 90cm. Which for a nearly 4 year old was thought to be quite short.

40 inches is about 100cm so this makes her the right height, more or less? (10 cm isn't a big difference)
I think she was a very tiny child - a bit fragile looking, to be honest. The twins at the same age were far more robust looking.