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'The Last Photo': The key questions

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'The Last Photo': The key questions

Post by roy rovers on Fri 24 May - 0:38

Châtelaine wrote:
roy rovers wrote:Could Peter Mac identify the pool wall and the brown wall then nip over with a camera and a pair of secateurs and photograph and sample both bougainvillea plants to establish that they are both the same red later flowering variety? Must be just about the right time to get the flowers in bloom.
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If I'm not mistaken, PeterMac has a good 8-hour drive to get there. Perhaps you could go there yourself and take some pictures?

Unfortunately this is not convenient for me as I am currently orbiting earth on the international space station before returning home to Australia. Maybe Kate could oblige on her next visit to PdL.
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Post by worriedmum on Fri 24 May - 9:29

..but the plants at ground level look thickly grown and luxuriant on the last photo, whereas there is just a measly-looking nettle-like plant on the play area picture, in my opinion
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Post by tigger on Fri 24 May - 10:21

In the topic 'the lady by the pool' a photograph of Gerry and Kate shows them on their way to the police station. Both wearing fleeces and of course looking quite pale. Imo quite impossible to square that with Gerry baking in blistering sunshine at the pool.

He should have had sunburn looking at the pool photo where his skin is going red.
Also: whereas I've seen Kate with an admirable tan a few weeks after the event, I've never seen Gerry really sun-tanned. He comes from a red-haired family and at age 10 or so I've seen a photograph of him with bright red hair.
Redheads don't tan easily at all.


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Post by Khalgregar on Fri 24 May - 14:24

tigger wrote:In the topic 'the lady by the pool' a photograph of Gerry and Kate shows them on their way to the police station. Both wearing fleeces and of course looking quite pale. Imo quite impossible to square that with Gerry baking in blistering sunshine at the pool.

He should have had sunburn looking at the pool photo where his skin is going red.
Also: whereas I've seen Kate with an admirable tan a few weeks after the event, I've never seen Gerry really sun-tanned. He comes from a red-haired family and at age 10 or so I've seen a photograph of him with bright red hair.
Redheads don't tan easily at all.


As I have said, that is a matter of opinion. To me, Gerry looks just as tanned as in the photo allegedly taken on the 3rd.

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Post by DIBarlow on Sun 26 May - 18:12

bobbin wrote:
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MJC wrote:
Portia wrote:
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aquila wrote:Just to add, iirc KM wished she'd brought a cardigan for Madeleine. Madeleine is wearing a cardigan in this photograph.
Hi aquila, the ladder leads to a platform where a slide can be accessed on the other side. The woman you see is sitting under the canopy beyond the play house.

Just noticed:

Upper right hand corner, tree. Shadow at 10 o' clock

Lower right corner: person standing nex to photgrapher: shadow at 10 o'clock

Child seen from behind: no shadow. Sean: no shadow;

Photographer: no shadow:

Gerry and 'Maddy' (?): shadow at 14.00 o'clock
This is a very important observation and I think all members here could usefully pay close attention to it.

The shadows in fact fall into two very distinct catogories.

Imagine for a moment that you are looking due north (and you probably are in fact, approximately).

The following parts of the photo have been taken from the SOUTH-EAST - and therefore IN THE MORNING:

Right-hand side of picture, shadow bottom right, tree shadow top right, shadows on the white buildings at the TOP LEFT.

The following parts of the photo have been taken from the SOUTH-WEST - and therefore IN THE AFTERNOON (or probably, looking at the length of the shadows, in the early evening):

All the people in the foreground, and the objects around them.

Provisional interpretation: the earlier, foreground part has been carefully photoshopped onto the later, background part.

I can't see any particular discrepancy in the shadows? The tree back right has two main limbs, the left of which has shadow consistent with rest in shot.

The camera is pointing almost due East, this photo was likely taken in the latter part of the afternoon.

If there are any taken from this position with camera pointing North then they would show the background to the infamous 'last photo' and establish if those flowers were in bloom before 3rd May 2007.

It was most definitely unseasonally cold during May 2007, only warming up to the norm in the last week of May.
DIBarlow, you really surprise me. Relative to the strong shadow, leading off from Gerry at the angle as seen, where is the strong shadow of the main trunk of the tree on the right where you would expect to see a shadow cast against the wall to the right of the tree.
I don't wish to surprise bobbin!

I am merely trying to establish the validity of the photo.

In my opinion, the shadow of the main trunk of the tree on the right is obscured by the trunk itself (i.e it is directly behind it). The tennis court on the other side of the wire fence is at a considerably lower level than the base of the tree, hence the shadow of the trunk would not show on the wall, however the sparsely leaved upper branches would (and do).

If you use Google Maps and streetscene you can view a very clear detail of this tree and it's relationship to the adjacent tennis courts, the drop in level is over 2 metres at the fence/wall line.

As I've previously said, the way to test the validity of the 'last photo' would be to study any other photographs of the backdrop (approx. 90 degrees to the left of the photo we are discussing) taken in early May 2007 and compare the bloom or otherwise!

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Post by worriedmum on Sun 26 May - 18:51

yes, but also look down- compare the plants at ground level...
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Post by tigger on Sun 26 May - 19:26

That's another problem. Ceops created a website for people to post their holiday snaps so that they could be scanned for suspicious individuals.
Allegedly. People who didn't have a digital camera were offered the possibility to scan their snaps free at any Jessop's to be sent to the website.

Now - considering the publicity - nobody as far as I know, ever sent a picture to the press of any of the same locations that the three photographs of Maddie have been taken. Allegedly.

Isn't that strange? Or might it be that sending the photographs would get you a grateful reply with the request never to publish these?
Gerry asked for these photographs several times in his blog etc. Yet we never hear about a single one again and are we to believe that hundreds of photographs needed no further investigation? I would have expected some feedback.

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Post by Guest on Sun 26 May - 19:42

I wonder if any of those pictures might crop up in the media over the next few weeks, they must be almost out of old material by now big grin
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Post by plebgate on Sun 26 May - 22:19

I still can't understand it all. Wasn't Maddie still a ward of court at the time. If so, why would the court allow all of this to be going on?

Who knows the working of the British Court. None of use seem to be able to fathom it out.

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Re: 'The Last Photo': The key questions

Post by PeterMac on Sun 26 May - 22:39

Why doesn't the little house cast a shadow ?

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Post by Smokeandmirrors on Sun 26 May - 22:59

PeterMac wrote:Why doesn't the little house cast a shadow ?

When the picture is enlarged you can see the shadow on the ground behind the house, if you look through the gap where the ladder is. So that's shadows going in three directions throughout the photo. It's what is called McShadow!

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Re: 'The Last Photo': The key questions

Post by worriedmum on Sun 26 May - 23:15

so what is the shadow on the far right ? I wondered if it was someone holding a small child in their arms....
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Post by Guest on Sun 26 May - 23:17

I thought it belonged to the person taking the photo though it is a bit of an odd shape.
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Post by Miraflores on Mon 27 May - 8:58

It looks like a person holding a child.

There is a bit of shadow on the yellow part of the little house. The interesting think to me is that the source of light i.e. the sun, must be above the bottom left of the picture, to cast the shadows of Madeleine, Gerry, and the people walking behind. For the shadow of 'person with the child' it would be coming from bottom right. Most odd.

Do we know what time of day the picture was taken?
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Post by PeterMac on Mon 27 May - 9:05

Judging by the shadows it was taken at 2, 4, 6, 8 o'clock

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Post by tigger on Mon 27 May - 11:57

PeterMac wrote:Judging by the shadows it was taken at 2, 4, 6, 8 o'clock

I've heard of those long exposures..... winkwink

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Post by Ayniia on Thu 30 May - 22:48

Smokeandmirrors wrote:
PeterMac wrote:Why doesn't the little house cast a shadow ?

When the picture is enlarged you can see the shadow on the ground behind the house, if you look through the gap where the ladder is. So that's shadows going in three directions throughout the photo. It's what is called McShadow!

I could swear I see two Seans in that picture , probably just another toddler with the same kind of hair and very similar clothes, but still,it's...funny?

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Post by Guest on Thu 30 May - 22:54

I take it that you mean the child being held by the young woman on the rear left of the picture?

The guy in the red / orange top walking away reminds me of Gerry but that probably is just me having a mad moment!
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Post by Ayniia on Thu 30 May - 23:09

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:I take it that you mean the child being held by the young woman on the rear left of the picture?

The guy in the red / orange top walking away reminds me of Gerry but that probably is just me having a mad moment!

I'm having one myself, the lady by him looks Kate and the lady in the back in The middle of the play house looks Tanner, that lady is guilty of having a purple shirt. The other is guilty of being blonde and the red shirt guy is guilty of being male and not showing his face. Each time I go over the pictures they get crazier. And this one is guilty of MCshadows as someone said, hihi

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Post by Guest on Fri 31 May - 9:23

This is a rear view photo of both of them - much more pleasant than seeing their faces.

http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/gerry-mccann-parents-of-missing-child-madeleine-mccann-gerry-and-kate-mccann-may-5-2007-8roT8U.jpg

Please could someone humour me and put this photo up next to the playground one for comparison with the couple on the left walking away from the camera.
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Post by tigger on Fri 31 May - 10:36

Screenshot is as good as it gets most of the time with me.

I don't think the blonde woman can be Kate and the man is much too tall to be Gerry.


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Post by Nina on Fri 31 May - 11:43

And Madeleine's two left feet and being so close to the bent knee of her father that she must have a bruise on her right side, and no shadow of her on him. And what is Sean patting or trying to get hold of. Yet another photograph where there is oddity after oddity.

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Post by Guest on Fri 31 May - 12:43

Thanks for that, Tigger. I didn't think that the woman was Kate - the hair doesn't look right - but there is to me at least a similarity to Gerry with the man.

I could just imagine this being another McCann in-joke at the expense of those gullible enough to believe them. This particular photo reminds me of that fuzzy felt game from my childhood where random images are put down on a board. Nothing blends in with anything else there.
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Post by bobbin on Fri 31 May - 13:06

PeterMac wrote:Why doesn't the little house cast a shadow ?
With the shadow from the little house, the front bar above the steps casting a shadow below the orange disc and with Raj Balu (name?) the Asian-looking man's jacket-shadow by his right knee, it is now obvious that the shadows emanate from a different position than the ones cast by Gerry, the couple on the left etc. and the tree, etc. on the right.
Three different directions.
We have already discussed how impossible the foot position of Raj Balu? relative to his stomach.
This now indicates another, YES, yet another, photo-shopped representation of Maddie having been on that holiday.
This playground one, with her brother and daddy, along with the playhouse one, where Maddie's height is estimated to be well in advance of her 'last/pool' photo, were supposedly of her arrival day/ first day on the holiday.
NOW, we seem to have no holiday photo whatsoever, with Maddie's presence in PdL.
With serious questions as to the bus video, what proof is there that Maddie was in PdL at all.
No DNA/hairs/hand prints found, no used clothes/ bed linen given to sniffer dogs/police, no signs of her in the apartment, except for blood and cadavour, a strange blue eye-make-up photo of her, suspected but not confirmed, of being on a balcony in Burgau, creche records a complete mess, no-one being able to give a complete confirmation of her presence, tennis court photo/tapas statement discrepancies, etc. what is there to place Maddie in PdL ?

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Post by Ayniia on Fri 31 May - 13:51

IMO the bus video is the only actual proof of Madeleine in PDL in May. Gerry's lovely comment in it is also the only thing that keeps me off the premeditation theory. The pool picture is as fake as it can get. This one has the shadows, Raj feet, Madeline weird position, Gerry weird position, everything...

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