Re: Scotland Yard takes over the inquiry into Maddie's disappearance from Portuguese plus *UPDATE* CPS lawyers fly to Portugal

by Lostfridge 24.06.13 16:30

Newintown wrote:
Lostfridge wrote:
rainbow-fairy wrote:
jd wrote:
No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:No problem RF, I know how long it takes for messages to reach you in those remote (but hopefully not lawless) hills. According to the portal map though, you're currently in Westminster and I'm in Maidstone. I'm always glad to get away from there as it's Mike Gunnill territory.

Here's the link for anyone wanting to see where they supposedly are.

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You're not Mi5 are you RF!!!

LOL I could answer that jd but then I'd have to shoot you.....

It says I am in the middle of lkley moor!! West yorkshire!. Where does it get this information from?

It's where your internet provider is located, apparently. What a boring explanation!

I am pretty sure my provider isn't in Ilkley! Be Unlimited have just been bought out by Sky

by Guest 24.06.13 16:32

Please stay on topic, there is a thread in Members lounge re this. ontopic

by rainbow-fairy 24.06.13 17:01

jd wrote:
rainbow-fairy wrote:
jd wrote:
rainbow-fairy wrote:
jd wrote:
No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:No problem RF, I know how long it takes for messages to reach you in those remote (but hopefully not lawless) hills. According to the portal map though, you're currently in Westminster and I'm in Maidstone. I'm always glad to get away from there as it's Mike Gunnill territory.

Here's the link for anyone wanting to see where they supposedly are.

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You're not Mi5 are you RF!!!

LOL I could answer that jd but then I'd have to shoot you.....

Awww, don't cry, ya know I luvs ya
Ok - I admit it. I AM Mi5 - just DON'T TELL ANYONE

Luv ya too ...Your secret is safe with me...

And yours is safe with me lol winkwink

by marconi 24.06.13 17:23

what intrigues me is the fact that the McCanns left the children alone, even after the cry incidents(Ms Fenn, Maddie herself) and after a nanny had offered baby-sitter for the fatal night.
And no monitor. What was behind that? Negligence or something else?
My idea is that the rest of the Tapas had a monitor too, like the Paynes had, and they hid them (blue bag?), to show they were responsible parents, checking on their children every 30 minutes and giving the abductor the chance to take Madeleine, no noise of a breaking window. A good combination of factors.
Imagine the McCanns with a monitor and the twins would start crying before the alarm was raised. clapping

by rainbow-fairy 24.06.13 17:28

candyfloss wrote: Please stay on topic, there is a thread in Members lounge re this.

Sorry candyfloss roses

just noticed your post yes

More on topic, does anyone have any idea what the 'other lot' are thinking of this news?
I can never bring myself to visit their 'site' as I don't have a bucket big enough in to bleach myself in afterwards laughat

Seriously, someone will normally comment on 'Pro' stances, but on this, I've heard... ZILCH!
Odd, or is it just me? huh

BTW, emoticons aren't showing up at all nor the smilie in the edit bar so I'm having to memorise the codes!

by sheila.edwards 24.06.13 18:01

Monitors. I read that OC staff offered and adviced use of them but mccanns refused. could this be why ? no neglect no abduction possible, even by an alien or egg man with keys in less than 2mins

by Ayniia 24.06.13 18:06

sheila.edwards wrote:Monitors. I read that OC staff offered and adviced use of them but mccanns refused. could this be why ? no neglect no abduction possible, even by an alien or egg man with keys in less than 2mins

IMO this reinforce the theory that the children were all in one apartment being supervised by at least one adult.

by rainbow-fairy 24.06.13 18:33

marconi wrote:what intrigues me is the fact that the McCanns left the children alone, even after the cry incidents(Ms Fenn, Maddie herself) and after a nanny had offered baby-sitter for the fatal night.
And no monitor. What was behind that? Negligence or something else?
My idea is that the rest of the Tapas had a monitor too, like the Paynes had, and they hid them (blue bag?), to show they were responsible parents, checking on their children every 30 minutes and giving the abductor the chance to take Madeleine, no noise of a breaking window. A good combination of factors.
Imagine the McCanns with a monitor and the twins would start crying before the alarm was raised.

Hi marconi, I am of the 'don't believe they were left alone at all' camp - the neglect was to 'allow' the abduction, not vice-versa. For two main reasons:

1)A 'sick' or conveniently otherwise absent adult every evening. AND

2)Are we really expected to believe Mr and Mrs locked their apartment during the day to safeguard valuables, yet not at night when by virtue burglars can move about in darkness and Mr and Mrs 3 most valuable (or what SHOULD be their most valuable possessions) ALONE and UNGUARDED?

I just don't think so. nah

As for the crying incident, ever considered 'Maddie, Maddie' as opposed to 'Daddy, Daddy'? Would explain the McCanns eagerness to insist the NEVER called her Maddie or 'anything like that' spin

by jd 24.06.13 18:42

If getting sloshed at the Tapas Bar was like "dining in your back garden"....How come they didn't hear the crying for 90 minutes?

by Smokeandmirrors 24.06.13 18:47

stillsloppingout wrote:
suzyjohnson wrote:A few comments tonight relating to why the government has now decided to act in this case, and suggestions that it's because the McCanns have got too big for themselves, angered too many people. I think it's less complicated than that, I don't believe individuals within the current government took too much interest in Madeleine's disappearance, assuming, like many in the Uk, that the McCanns had been cleared of involvement.

When the McCanns requested a review (which, guilty or innocent, they have to do in order to be seen to be continuing the search) I believe the government asked SY in good faith to look into the case. Once SY did that however, they have encountered the same inconsistencies as the PJ. For their part I think the McCanns fully expected that a review, if any, would reach the same conclusion as the Portuguese, that is 50/50, not enough evidence either way of the parent's involvement or abduction. At which point they would have said, well we tried everything.

I think the outcome of the review was unexpected for the government and, at the same time I think, never in a million years did the McCanns expect to see CPS lawyers travelling to the Algarve and the SY authorised to continue the investigation in the Uk.
Thats all true , but as i stated, to hide in plain sight is a great skill , Saville [ reference from my last post ] acted the fool to draw attention from himself [ he actually had a genius IQ ] . Gerry has an inherent arrogance about him and his decision to go all statesman has eventually backfired , thus your last point about the unexpected visit of CPS lawyers , must be an absolute bombshell .
I agree with this. If Gerry and Kate had kept out of the media and off the breakfast shows etc after Leveson, they would have done themselves a favour. Recently they have added yet another hypocrisy to the proceedings. And Gerry blatantly saying that Camerons Government would lose credibility if he didn't play the game by Hacked Off's rules was an own goal. They have repeatedly tried to call the shots, dictate terms etc as evident from the Paxman interview. People don't like being dictated to, especially by someone who thinks he's cleverer than he actually is.

Control freaks / sociopaths will crack under pressure . [ Shipman did but was saved by his sc@@@ag Lawyer ] if / when he is questioned he WILL crack , its Him NOT her who IMO will be the weak link . She is a hard faced Scouser [ and probably the cause of all this ] no change for the Police there IMO .

I suspect Murat will be part of all this too , he will have to explain his whereabouts etc first . [ and they had better be good or he could still be in for a rough ride .

But when that little hurdle is overcome , i guess there will be co-ordinated raids .

If any of the Tapas lot had any sense they would come clean now , the first to do so probably will be let off with a caution unless .....

interesting times . all IMO of course .

by Praiaaa 24.06.13 20:27

All the Murat stuff is very interesting. As a relative novice big grin

in all this, I just assumed he was an innocent, well-meaning patsy framed by the T9...

by Guest 24.06.13 20:31

I personally think that it is unlikely that Robert Murat has nothing to do with the case; there are many unanswered questions about him.

by Ayniia 24.06.13 20:36

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:I personally think that it is unlikely that Robert Murat has nothing to do with the case; there are many unanswered questions about him.

Concur. Maybe not directly but there's something about him...

by jd 24.06.13 20:37

Praiaaa wrote:All the Murat stuff is very interesting. As a relative novice in all this, I just assumed he was an innocent, well-meaning patsy framed by the T9...

If you haven't read it, then you should read the Robert Murat article on the link below. Its a long read but excellent with its info & analyse

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by lufc50337 24.06.13 21:13

Mmm interesting I never realised he had tried to influence the investigation towards the McCanns, and the McCanns crew are pointing the finger at him??

Add that to biggest fuck up on the planet and no comment from GM to knowing him!

What the hell went on that week?

by **PeterMac** 24.06.13 21:18

sally66 wrote:What the hell went on that week ?

That is, as they say, the 64,000 dollar question.
If we knew that we could all go back to our day jobs.

by jd 24.06.13 21:26

sally66 wrote:Mmm interesting I never realised he had tried to influence the investigation towards the McCanns, and the McCanns crew are pointing the finger at him??

Add that to biggest fuck up on the planet and no comment from GM to knowing him!

What the hell went on that week?

I think it was in GA's book, that GNR officers caught him trying to look at documents. I think this was his role, to keep abreast of what information the PJ were learning...hence his sudden booking a flight back to PDL late at night for a few hours later, he was the man for the job. But why they tried to frame him is a mystery (are we allowed to say this word in the land of the free?)

Why didn't he sue lori campbell who made the most libellous accusations possible against him...yet he did nothing!

by lufc50337 24.06.13 22:20

PeterMac wrote:
sally66 wrote:What the hell went on that week ?

That is, as they say, the 64,000 dollar question.
If we knew that we could all go back to our day jobs.

Yes stating the obvious a bit there wasn't I

by jd 24.06.13 22:29

Has Teresa May got contents of three ‘top secret’ files on the case? and will she release the contents of these three ‘top secret’ files that she is holding, now it is a full SY investigation?

by lufc50337 24.06.13 22:34

jd wrote:
sally66 wrote:Mmm interesting I never realised he had tried to influence the investigation towards the McCanns, and the McCanns crew are pointing the finger at him??

Add that to biggest fuck up on the planet and no comment from GM to knowing him!

What the hell went on that week?
I think it was in GA's book, that GNR officers caught him trying to look at documents. I think this was his role, to keep abreast of what information the PJ were learning...hence his sudden booking a flight back to PDL late at night for a few hours later, he was the man for the job. But why they tried to frame him is a mystery (are we allowed to say this word in the land of the free?)

Why didn't he sue lori campbell who made the most libellous accusations possible against him...yet he did nothing!

Unless someone other than the Tapas crew bought him back and framing him was McCanns way of saying we will take everybody else down with us, he was literally used as a pawn to prove a point?

It does remind me of a game of chess sometimes

by jd 24.06.13 23:04

sally66 wrote:[
Unless someone other than the Tapas crew bought him back and framing him was McCanns way of saying we will take everybody else down with us, he was literally used as a pawn to prove a point?

Yes very possibly, this does make absolute sense. But I feel that the UK government were the ones calling all the shots

by Woofer 24.06.13 23:30

Not long after RM was made an arguido, there was a video on Youtube by a young woman querying why his mother had said he was at home because she knew he wasn`t. I`ve subsequently searched for it but its gone.
I wish I`d taken more notice of it at the time.

I had wondered if Max C had info on him which the MET had recently got hold of.

by marconi 24.06.13 23:57

If Murat ever got payed for his "spy"work, at the PJ office, the money must have been transfered from an account to his. Or a large amount of money disappeared from the account of someody who knows the McCanns.Or perhaps he never got it.

Being curious about the investigation, who knows he was giving information to a news paper, getting money for it which is more Obvious to me. And he was obliged to keep secret about his translations.

It seems to me that it was extremely risky for the Tapas to point him as an eventual suspect, if he was helping the McCanns.

On Amaral's book, he tells that Kate called the PJ asking if they were doing something about him. If she did, she wanted the police to blame him, a proof he did not know anything about the disappearance.

Murat seemed naief, his behaviour, he did not look mature, there was something in him at that time.
In my opinion the McCanns used him.

If the Yard proves that he and the McCanns never met each other before the crime, that he never received extra money from somewhere, it will be the proof that he was used in his naievity.

by Angelique 25.06.13 7:24

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Monday, 24 June 2013

Across No Man's Land

Snip:

"Let me summarise. I personally want three things. First a complete and crushing legal victory for Amaral over the McCanns, with public acknowledgment of the falsity of their claims and condign penalties – i.e. their complete financial ruin – for their wicked, cowardly and disingenuous attack on him. Any victory of his will bring immense satisfaction and a champagne toast.

Secondly, the completion of the "interrupted investigation", wherever it leads, but this time with the contempt of court rules preventing people from purchasing reputational help once they're cautioned.Thirdly, the continued bleeding to death of the UK press in its present form, redundancies and all, for their betrayal of the British public in 2007, together with action against lobbying and the corrupt antics of the reputation management mob. No champagne there, though, and not much emotional, as against intellectual, interest, except in the little matter of Mr Clarence Mitchell. And yes, of course, a certain egotistical desire, very possibly to be thwarted, to be sure that I was on the right track in my assessments and alliances. "

Amen to that.

by plebgate 25.06.13 9:19

The more I think about things the more I think that Mr. & Mrs. (at least) have been questioned, possibly pinky as well. Absolutely nothing coming from their camp about anything. Granny rolled out a couple weeks back reportedly saying something like they hadn't told her that SY were reporting back to them.

The only reason I can think that Mrs. would not tell her mother that SY were in contact with them is because they have been told not to discuss anything with anyone.

It has been reported in the papers for a while that SY have been in contact, but did the "contact" change to questioning? Therefore obliged to keep their mouths shut even to closest family?

Just my opinion, but the silence sure is deafening from all parties.

by margaret 25.06.13 9:23

jd wrote:If you haven't read it, then you should read the Robert Murat article on the link below. Its a long read but excellent with its info & analyse

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Thankyou for that jd, l'd never seen it and am now working my way through it. Excellent as usual Tony. thumbsup

Does anyone know if Murat translated Jane Tanners 4th May statement?

by jd 25.06.13 10:41

margaret wrote:
jd wrote:If you haven't read it, then you should read the Robert Murat article on the link below. Its a long read but excellent with its info & analyse

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Thankyou for that jd, l'd never seen it and am now working my way through it. Excellent as usual Tony.

Does anyone know if Murat translated Jane Tanners 4th May statement?

Yes a most brilliant article that informs all the details about murat

I don't think he did translate jane tanners statement on May 4th. There is nothing on the statemnt with his name on it and it also says this at the start "As she is a British citizen and does not understand written or spoken Portuguese, she is assisted by the interpreter, Filipa Silva"

Plus murat was in PDL at that time and only just getting involved and discovering what had happened....so we are led to believe!

by Praiaaa 25.06.13 11:12

Question re translation v interpretation. I know the T9 referred to 'translation' but that is a different thing to interpretation. Was he a translator - ie took the written statement and translated Eng-Portuguese, or an interpreter - ie interpreting the police questions P toE, and then the answers E to P?
Different roles, and differently open to challenge if anyone intended to play the card of 'the interpreter deliberately or accidentally didn't ask the questions or relay the answers accurately'.
Apologies if this has been asked before, but just wondering if any attempt to implicate RM might have a secondary purpose of challenging the integrity of the statements, and giving 'wriggle room' for changed answers eg to SY at a later date...

by jeanmonroe 25.06.13 11:40

Praiaaa wrote:Question re translation v interpretation. I know the T9 referred to 'translation' but that is a different thing to interpretation. Was he a translator - ie took the written statement and translated Eng-Portuguese, or an interpreter - ie interpreting the police questions P toE, and then the answers E to P?
Different roles, and differently open to challenge if anyone intended to play the card of 'the interpreter deliberately or accidentally didn't ask the questions or relay the answers accurately'.
Apologies if this has been asked before, but just wondering if any attempt to implicate RM might have a secondary purpose of challenging the integrity of the statements, and giving 'wriggle room' for changed answers eg to SY at a later date...

NO wriggle room for the T7 or McCanns.
They gave interviews to LP/police in ENGLISH.
All the discrepancies in their statements need no 'translating' they are given in English (but not as normal people would know it LOL)
EG.
JT. 'yeah, no, yeah so i don't know'

by **PeterMac** 25.06.13 11:42

jeanmonroe wrote:
JT. 'yeah, no, yeah so i don't know'

McKlingon for "I admit it"

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