Scotland Yard takes over the inquiry into Maddie's disappearance from Portuguese plus *UPDATE* CPS lawyers fly to Portugal

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I am hopeful!

The legal team is not there to investigate. They are building a case if you ask me.....

Let's hope there will be more news in the weekend papers.   they normally hold over the really interesting stuff until the weekend.

Amanda Platell wrote recently about their hacked off campaign, I believe the press are waiting to pounce.  No doubt in my mind about that.

'Endgame' certainly feels to be in sight...whichever way it goes

@ Aainyia

I was referring to the Evora court ruling ...

Châtelaine wrote:@ Aainyia

I was referring to the Evora court ruling ...

Oh ok thank you

jd wrote:'Endgame' certainly feels to be in sight...whichever way it goes

I can't imagine the PJ/SY saying : oh someone took her and end of story...
But that's just my humble opinion.

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@ Ayniia
I duly apologize for seriously misspelling your name ... It's not an easy one, though

Ayniia wrote:

jd wrote:'Endgame' certainly feels to be in sight...whichever way it goes

I can't imagine the PJ/SY saying : oh someone took her and end of story...
But that's just my humble opinion.

There is that unidentified DNA sample

The Mystery of Profile L

To date, there has been no attempt to link Profile L/Leo to him (Hewlett), but we now have a pending review by Scotland Yard. It will be interesting to see where that goes!

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I wonder if Mr. Lee Rainbow's advice has been sought again at any time during the review?

Perhaps, the identity of the person the DNA belongs to has been identified? I will not expect the CPS to get involved when the identity remains unknown.

Tony Bennett wrote:The Crown Prosecution Service.

In their own words...

...on their own website...

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Our values

We will be independent and fair.

We will prosecute independently, without bias and will seek to deliver justice in every case.

We will be honest and open.

We will explain our decisions, set clear standards about the service the public can expect from us and be honest if we make a mistake.

We will treat everyone with respect.

We will respect each other, our colleagues and the public we serve, recognising that there are people behind every case.

We will behave professionally and strive for excellence.

We will work as one team, always seeking new and better ways to deliver the best possible service for the public. We will be efficient and responsible with tax-payers' money.

We are about to find out just how true their values really are!

I think I may only be repeating what PeterMac has said earlier, but certainly - after looking at the CPS website again tonight - the following can clearly be said about normal CPS operations:

They only get involved when...

...the police already have some evidence...

...about a possible crime...

...committed by a living person...

...that has resulted from a police investigation in England and Wales...

Tony Bennett wrote:I think I may only be repeating what PeterMac has said earlier, but certainly - after looking at the CPS website again tonight - the following can clearly be said about normal CPS operations:

They only get involved when...

...the police already have some evidence...

...about a possible crime...

...committed by a living person...

...that has resulted from a police investigation in England and Wales...

A living person is interesting, if this is the criteria for the CPS to get involved.....maybe there is hope but I remain reserved due to past history. Maybe they are going to pin it on that Swiss paedo

I remain hopeful the British and Portuguese authorities will do their best to crack this case.

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4.1 The Full Code Test has two stages: (i) the evidential stage; followed by (ii) the public interest stage.

4.2 In most cases, prosecutors should only decide whether to prosecute after the investigation has been completed and after all the available evidence has been reviewed. However there will be cases where it is clear, prior to the collection and consideration of all the likely evidence, that the public interest does not require a prosecution. In these instances, prosecutors may decide that the case should not proceed further.
They only come in once the police feel there is enough evidence to put it to the CPS

Prosecutors should consider whether there is any question over the admissibility of certain evidence. In doing so, prosecutors should assess:

the likelihood of that evidence being held as inadmissible by the court; and
the importance of that evidence in relation to the evidence as a whole.


Prosecutors should consider whether there are any reasons to question the reliability of the evidence, including its accuracy or integrity.
Is the evidence credible?
All indicating that there is evidence there to be looked at

Well, it will certainly be in the public interest to prosecute when so many people may have been conned into donating money.

Woofer wrote:Well, it will certainly be in the public interest to prosecute when so many people may have been conned into donating money.

I agree, woofer. My daughter is a law student and only a few weeks ago she was working on the role of the CPS and the two stages.  She's said for this saga to have got to this point means that they have strong evidence to prosecute. Also, one can understand why it's taken so long to get to this stage. The evidence HAS to be watertight .  

These are very exciting times, and not dominated by Clarence Mitchell and his PR machine

I have stated before ; if there are to be charges , thus a change of heart by Government regarding this , it will be no small part due to Gerald's involvement with Hacked Off  . 
 
   You cannot bite both hands that feed you namely the press , and Politicians .

  I Still live in hope regarding the outcome ,  but i still expect IMO a patsy to be produced .

stillsloppingout wrote:

  I Still live in hope regarding the outcome ,  but i still expect IMO a patsy to be produced .

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Yum, yum i love a good pasty! Luvverly jubberly!

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stillsloppingout wrote:

  I Still live in hope regarding the outcome ,  but i still expect IMO a patsy to be produced .

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Yum, yum i love a good pasty! Luvverly jubberly!

  HaHAHA    A cornish Patsy;  were not two of the tapas lot from Cornwall !!!!.

Could it be anything to do with what Rebekah Brooks said when closing News of the World, that it would become apparent in about a year why they had to close the paper

stillsloppingout wrote:I have stated before ; if there are to be charges , thus a change of heart by Government regarding this , it will be no small part due to Gerald's involvement with Hacked Off  . 
 You cannot bite both hands that feed you namely the press , and Politicians .
I Still live in hope regarding the outcome ,  but i still expect IMO a patsy to be produced .

A patsy who:
Went around and messed with the creche sheets,
Erased texts and calls from BOTH Mccanns mobiles (but just some,not all)
Got into Gerry's mind to cloud his recollection of which side of the road he was talking to Jez,
Managed to be seen by JT going on one direction and then seen by the Smiths going on another direction,
Managed to get cadaver scent on Kate's clothes, cuddlecat and red child tshirt,
Managed to get cadaver scent/blood behind the Sofa of 5A and on the Mccanns wardrobe,
Weeks later got into the the scenic without leaving any trace of himself , to get cadaver odor in it (and on the scenic keys) ...
I could make an almost endless list here but with this think you get my point.

jd wrote:

The Mystery of Profile L
To date, there has been no attempt to link Profile L/Leo to him (Hewlett), but we now have a pending review by Scotland Yard. It will be interesting to see where that goes!
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And if they link this mysterious ADN profile to someone even if it was for instance Hewlett, how would that explain everything I said above?

Even if it turns out to be a whitewash, let it happen first before being critical. Of course, it's a possibility but I've seen very little so far pointing in that direction. Taking the news at face value, it looks positive. I'm finding the negative spin disheartening. If it ends up being a whitewash I won't feel guilty for having been hopeful.

stillsloppingout wrote:I wish i could get excited about this news .

   IMO   I still think there is no way they will arrest / charge  doctors and Lawyers ,it doesn't work like that  in the UK .
 [ I know ,Shipman but it took 300 victims before they finally did }  and on different charges  there extensive entourage [ inc Clarrie ] for possibly perverting the course of justice .

  If the CPS are over there its because they have ' FOUND ONE '   ie a village idiot akin to Barry George who they can attribute this case to . 

  Its appears its going to be a Hillsborough for the 21st century .

I've said it before and i'll say it again, their professions may have given them status to new labour politicians however to thr conservatives they are just common plebs, one from glasgow, one from liverpool.
They have never been in the circles people like cameron revolve around. The Mccanns would be considered just staff to the ilk of Cameron. camerons friends would be buying the nhs an other public services given the chance.
The mccanns involvement with 'hacked off' and the disrespectful letter they sent to Cameron ended any tolerence for their behaviour. The CPs have the right to prosecute crimes of fraud, child abuse or murder committed abroad. This case covers all three, which is why this investigative review had been great value for money.

Any idiot can see the inconsistencies in teir story.
What this review has done is rule out all lose ends.
The spagetti is no longer jumbled, it is linear and abck in the packet. They can see where each lead or sighting begins and ends. Any defence the mccanns now make whic they have prepared in advance such as seabass or tea stains the prosecution will have an answer for.

Mccanns: "we didnt do it, the sighting in india..."
Prosecution: "you mean the indian child?"
Mccanns: "eeeerrrr"

I also wonder whether the whole hacked off escapade was a ploy to add to the defence of 'not a fair trial' as considering they were now hacked... Why all the effort...

How important is circumstantial evidence in these cases? There's loads of circumstantial in this case. Most of us can draw some kind of conclusion based on that. Would the CPS consider circumstantial evidence as well?

Just wondering here. Whatever the result of this investigation/inquiry, no one will ever know what really happened inside of the 5A apartment, unless certain people decide to talk. But I doubt they ever will, as they've spun such a yarn they probably believe it themselves now.


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Is there enough evidence against the defendant?
There must be enough evidence to provide a 'realistic prospect of conviction' against the defendant. A realistic prospect of conviction is an objective test. It means that a jury or bench of magistrates, or judge hearing a case alone, properly directed and acting in accordance with the law, is more likely than not to convict the defendant of the alleged charge. This is a different test from the one that the criminal courts must apply. Magistrates or a jury should only convict the defendant if they are sure that he or she is guilty.
When deciding whether there is enough evidence to prosecute, prosecutors must consider whether the evidence can be used in court and whether it is reliable. This means that they must assess the quality of the evidence from all witnesses before reaching a decision. Where it is considered that it would be helpful in assessing the reliability of a witness' evidence or in better understanding complex evidence, an appropriately trained and authorised prosecutor should conduct a pre-trial interview with the witness.A decision to drop a case does not mean that the prosecutor has decided to believe one witness and not believe another.
If there is not a realistic prospect of conviction, the case must not go ahead, no matter how serious or sensitive it may be.
If there is a realistic prospect of conviction, the prosecutor will ask the next question.
Is a prosecution required in the public interest?
It has never been the rule in this country that every criminal offence must automatically be prosecuted. For this reason, in each case, the prosecutor must consider whether a prosecution is required in the public interest.
A prosecution will usually take place unless the prosecutor is sure that there are public interest factors tending against prosecution which outweigh those tending in favour, or unless the prosecutor is satisfied that the public interest may be properly served, in the first instance, by offering the offender the opportunity to have the matter dealt with by an out-of-court disposal.
The public interest factors that can affect the decision to prosecute vary from case to case. The more serious the offence or the offender's record of criminal behaviour, the more likely it is that a prosecution will be required in the public interest. On the other hand, a prosecution is less likely to be required if, for example, a court would be likely to impose a nominal penalty or the loss or harm connected with the offence was minor and the result of a single incident.
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The total silence from certain quarter is deafening!

The Mccanns claimed they were briefed by MET about the review.

Then we've grandma Healy's plea on May 29 to the World to never forget Maddie (despite CPS visit to Portugal in April).

I would say they were kept in the dark, contrary to their claim.

Nereid wrote:How important is circumstantial evidence in these cases? There's loads of circumstantial in this case. Most of us can draw some kind of conclusion based on that. Would the CPS consider circumstantial evidence as well?
Just wondering here. Whatever the result of this investigation/inquiry, no one will ever know what really happened inside of the 5A apartment, unless certain people decide to talk. But I doubt they ever will, as they've spun such a yarn they probably believe it themselves now.

There are lots of things such as all the Mccanns interviews and "madeleine" book that may not be considered as evidence but Amaral's "truth of the lie" as well as all the PJ files are based on actual evidence, the dogs findings for example and on surely circumstantial evidence as the Mccanns reactions to it and repeatedly tries to refute everything. But at least the dogs/forensics of 5A/scenic would be enough to at least get them on trial. All IMHO of course.

aiyoyo wrote:The total silence from certain quarter is deafening!
The Mccanns claimed they were briefed by MET about the review.
Then we've grandma Healy's plea on May 29 to the World to never forget Maddie (despite CPS visit to Portugal in April).
I would say they were kept in the dark, contrary to their claim.

Completely agree with you in the sense that they are not being briefed often. But I still think something was said to them before the vigil.
There's PJ/SY/CPS involved, I can't imagine them all singing along the Mccanns tune.

ShuBob wrote:Taking the news at face value, it looks positive.

jd wrote:

Tony Bennett wrote:I think I may only be repeating what PeterMac has said earlier, but certainly - after looking at the CPS website again tonight - the following can clearly be said about normal CPS operations:

They only get involved when...

...the police already have some evidence...

...about a possible crime...

...committed by a living person...

...that has resulted from a police investigation in England and Wales...

A living person is interesting, if this is the criteria for the CPS to get involved.....maybe there is hope but I remain reserved due to past history. Maybe they are going to pin it on that Swiss paedo

Jd the Swiss paedophile is also dead. I take it you are referring to Von Aesch? He died shortly after he abducted the other little girl.

This is very worrying.

A conviction in this case may set some mind's at rest. It should not. Those mind's should not rest at all , if they really want to find out what the truth really is.

It is possible that any prominent person or person's in this case, could become sacrificial Lamb's, to protect the interest's of the minority that control the majority. I don't think that the majority really realise how ruthless and uncaring the minority really are.

You have to understand that , despite what you have been taught via the media, this is an extremely corrupt system. No real progress can ever be made until the majority of people start to see this system, for what it really is.

This system is fundamentally flawed. I'm sorry, but there is no getting away from that.

Dead of alive foreigner is besides the point because CPS cant be there to examine crime of foreigner.

It must be Brits who are alive.  

And it wont be the 6 Brit cleaners or the couple who soothed Maddie that much is obvious.