Re: British holidaymakers can help in the hunt for Madeleine, says Kate McCann Sunday Express 2/6/13

by Beanie 02.06.13 22:23

Lance De Boils wrote:I would be interested to know exactly how many "holiday packs" they actually sell! How many are they expecting to sell? And how many people WOULD put up posters etc if they didn't have to pay for them? In other words, how many people are put off by them having the flicking audacity to charge for the pictures?

They want everyone else to do all the searching, putting up posters, AND cover the costs of everything themselves.

EXACTLY WHAT ARE THE FAMILY ACTUALLY DOING THEMSELVES?

Totally agree with you.

I have just put this point to a family member who thinks the McCanns can do no wrong. He is gobsmacked that with all the money raised, all items which could possibly help in spreading awareness are not free. As I pointed out, this is no ordinary case of a missing child.

by Beanie 02.06.13 22:28

Peneda Geres wrote:
Lance De Boils wrote:I would be interested to know exactly how many "holiday packs" they actually sell! How many are they expecting to sell? And how many people WOULD put up posters etc if they didn't have to pay for them? In other words, how many people are put off by them having the flicking audacity to charge for the pictures?

They want everyone else to do all the searching, putting up posters, AND cover the costs of everything themselves.

EXACTLY WHAT ARE THE FAMILY ACTUALLY DOING THEMSELVES?

Like I said in an earlier post, ask Missing persons to send you age progressed posters of MBM when you are off on holiday. No reason why they should not as they are a charity.

You have a very good point. It would be interesting to see if they oblige or refer people to the McCann's official website.

by Guest 02.06.13 22:29

From the website

Why do we continue?
- if it was a genuine situation the reason for continuing wouldn't need to be justified. Nobody gives up on their kids.

There is absolutely nothing to suggest that Madeleine has been harmed.
- if she was abducted that in itself is harm. Does a damaged child not deserve to be found?

Madeleine is still missing and someone needs to be looking for her.
- "someone"? Someone different from the family who failed to take care of her in the first place? How is this anyone else's problem exactly?

She is very young and vulnerable and needs our help.
Exactly, she needed her parents help. But failed to get it. See above.

We love her dearly and miss her beyond words.
Well, I'm glad that's been clarified (pardon the pun). Pinkie or porkie?

by **PeterMac** 02.06.13 22:30

The poster is of an age-progressed photo -
Aged SIX.
Not TEN.
The McCanns and their Spokesthing Clarence Mitchell, and their private Detectives Edgar and whatsisname insist, and without ever having publicly resiled from that position
that
Madeleine is being held in a Hellish lair within 10 miles of PdL, by a predatory paedophile.
So where exactly are the public supposed to search, at the cost of £1.75p

by Woofer 02.06.13 22:37

Dear Mr. and Mrs. McCann,

I`m going on a round the world trip to look for your Maddie. Would you be kind enough to let me know where you`ve already looked so I don`t go over the same ground again.

YS

by Guest 02.06.13 22:47

British holidaymakers can help in the hunt for Madeleine, says Kate McCann Sunday Express 2/6/13 - Page 2 110921

or rather

British holidaymakers can help in the hunt for Madeleine, says Kate McCann Sunday Express 2/6/13 - Page 2 173510

by Harriet94 02.06.13 22:48

Why don't you want to know who this is ? Why are'nt you interstested in finding out about a "pod "that contained childrens toys and photographic equipmentment? Source Steven Carpenters statement.

by Guest 02.06.13 22:53

Harriet, I considered myself well versed, but I'm lost.Can you elaborate, please?

by Harriet94 02.06.13 23:04

Please read Carpenters statement from the PJ Files. I thought this was common knowledge. He mentions a grey haired man who took charge on the night Madeleine went missing. He also mentions a "pod" that contained a bed and children's toys. Sorry I didn't think this was anything new.

by Guest 02.06.13 23:18

Ah, this is what you mean :

DCF: And we made a request to the
local police to collect your
statement and it was in this
sequence that your statement
arrived. It is likely that my papers
are not in order because this page
is more about the details of the
search of the apartments near to
Gerry's apartment and mentions the
man from the laundry.

SC: Yes, yes.

DCF: And about the searches carried
out.

SC: I remember that, yes.

DCF: You spoke to a man who later
showed you a garage where there was
a bed.

SC: Yes, well what happened was
that, Gerry's apartment was here
because it was not a flat area, it
was more or less like this and that
is why the opposite apartments were
higher.

DCF: Correct.

SC: That is why it could obviously
be seen, these apartments could be
looked over from above and all the
lower parts and where we, hummm..
this is where the grey haired man
was.

DCF: Right.

SC: Who had supposedly acquired a
property, and that is why I strongly
suggested that we should open the
maximum possible number of
doors,...I can't remember the name
of the man who I also met by chance
and who was doing some translating,
what was his name again, who helped
open the doors.

DCF: Was it John HILL'

SC: No, John Hill was a Mark Warner
employee, I can't remember his name,
but he...humm also knew the local
estate agent and different people
who helped to get the keys of the
properties from the letters, some of
whom were on holiday.

DCF: Yes.

SC: And once the garage door was
opened, it was not just a garage for
a car, it was a type of "capsule" of
about six by nine metres in size
which became longer where there was
a bed in the corner, and it was when
we were searching this, the English
man with grey hair whose identity I
did not know, but who had explained
this to me.

DCF: Yes.

SC: Humm... this garage belonged to
a Portuguese man, the man from the
laundry.

DCF: Yes.

SC: And when we entered the garage I
asked who lived there, he replied
that his son lived there and then
there were distractions and because
I was concentrated on the fifty year
old English man, this man is
Portuguese, it was only afterwards
when I thought later about what we
were searching for, it didn't occur
to me and I think it is because of
this that i mentioned it in my
statement two weeks later, because I
remember that there had been some
distortions.

DCF: Yes.

SC: Of course with Murat there is
Murat and the Russian individual,
you know....I thought that we might
well be looking for the totally
wrong person and the fact that a bed
existed in the garage and some
children's toys.

DCF: Yes.

SC: I thought, ohhh...its worth
mentioning this and that's the
reason I mentioned it in my
statement.
DCF: Fine, now (inaudible) describe
the Portuguese man, the laundry man
to me, yes'

SC: Yes.
I am certain that I read about this
at the beginning, which (inaudible)'
I think that afterwards, and
afterwards coincides with the fact
that he was the man from the laundry
and of the van parked there, because
as i have already explained, we were
here in a small street here above
which linked to the main road and to
everything beside here on top, the
rest was all pathways and I remember
that on two or three occasions I
thought...this is a dead end road,
the van was parked there, I never
saw anyone and more than once
assumed that it would be cleaning
staff and only this thought
coincided with the presence of the
man from the laundry, and if there
were any reply to be made in
relation to the link between the van
parked there and the laundry man.

DCF: Yes.

SC: Murat here, I think and the
laundry thing here.

DCF: Yes

SC: And I would once again give the
reason why I mentioned the subject..

by bobbin 02.06.13 23:29

Châtelaine wrote:Ah, this is what you mean :

DCF: And we made a request to the
local police to collect your
statement and it was in this
sequence that your statement
arrived. It is likely that my papers
are not in order because this page
is more about the details of the
search of the apartments near to
Gerry's apartment and mentions the
man from the laundry.

SC: Yes, yes.

DCF: And about the searches carried
out.

SC: I remember that, yes.

DCF: You spoke to a man who later
showed you a garage where there was
a bed.

SC: Yes, well what happened was
that, Gerry's apartment was here
because it was not a flat area, it
was more or less like this and that
is why the opposite apartments were
higher.

DCF: Correct.

SC: That is why it could obviously
be seen, these apartments could be
looked over from above and all the
lower parts and where we, hummm..
this is where the grey haired man
was.

DCF: Right.

SC: Who had supposedly acquired a
property, and that is why I strongly
suggested that we should open the
maximum possible number of
doors,...I can't remember the name
of the man who I also met by chance
and who was doing some translating,
what was his name again, who helped
open the doors.

DCF: Was it John HILL'

SC: No, John Hill was a Mark Warner
employee, I can't remember his name,
but he...humm also knew the local
estate agent and different people
who helped to get the keys of the
properties from the letters, some of
whom were on holiday.

DCF: Yes.

SC: And once the garage door was
opened, it was not just a garage for
a car, it was a type of "capsule" of
about six by nine metres in size
which became longer where there was
a bed in the corner, and it was when
we were searching this, the English
man with grey hair whose identity I
did not know, but who had explained
this to me.

DCF: Yes.

SC: Humm... this garage belonged to
a Portuguese man, the man from the
laundry.

DCF: Yes.

SC: And when we entered the garage I
asked who lived there, he replied
that his son lived there and then
there were distractions and because
I was concentrated on the fifty year
old English man, this man is
Portuguese, it was only afterwards
when I thought later about what we
were searching for, it didn't occur
to me and I think it is because of
this that i mentioned it in my
statement two weeks later, because I
remember that there had been some
distortions.

DCF: Yes.

SC: Of course with Murat there is
Murat and the Russian individual,
you know....I thought that we might
well be looking for the totally
wrong person and the fact that a bed
existed in the garage and some
children's toys.

DCF: Yes.

SC: I thought, ohhh...its worth
mentioning this and that's the
reason I mentioned it in my
statement.
DCF: Fine, now (inaudible) describe
the Portuguese man, the laundry man
to me, yes'

SC: Yes.
I am certain that I read about this
at the beginning, which (inaudible)'
I think that afterwards, and
afterwards coincides with the fact
that he was the man from the laundry
and of the van parked there, because
as i have already explained, we were
here in a small street here above
which linked to the main road and to
everything beside here on top, the
rest was all pathways and I remember
that on two or three occasions I
thought...this is a dead end road,
the van was parked there, I never
saw anyone and more than once
assumed that it would be cleaning
staff and only this thought
coincided with the presence of the
man from the laundry, and if there
were any reply to be made in
relation to the link between the van
parked there and the laundry man.

DCF: Yes.

SC: Murat here, I think and the
laundry thing here.

DCF: Yes

SC: And I would once again give the
reason why I mentioned the subject..

goodness, I've never seen this before. really weird, is there any more on this.

by Harriet94 02.06.13 23:29

Yes sorry it was descibed as a "capsule" not a pod. Still no idea as to who the grey-haired man is though British holidaymakers can help in the hunt for Madeleine, says Kate McCann Sunday Express 2/6/13 - Page 2 172348

British holidaymakers can help in the hunt for Madeleine, says Kate McCann Sunday Express 2/6/13 - Page 2 172348

by bobbin 02.06.13 23:31

Harriet94 wrote:Yes sorry it was descibed as a "capsule" not a pod. Still no idea as to who the grey-haired man is though

the only one I can think of is that 'Gerahty' person, a local but English, aged man who helped the McCs.

by Guest 02.06.13 23:32

@ bobbin

Yes, there's more. but ... it is a real strange statement, bearing in mind that the world and its dog knew by then who was Murat, the translator ...

by Guest 02.06.13 23:35

1,146 readers now!
I'm gonna switch off.
Bonsoir, bonne nuit to each and everyone :-)

by bobbin 02.06.13 23:37

Châtelaine wrote:1,146 readers now!
I'm gonna switch off.
Bonsoir, bonne nuit to each and everyone :-)

Me too, it's gone 00.36 where I am.
Till morning time... bonne nuit.

by Harriet94 02.06.13 23:38

Hi Chataleine. I'm confused, Did Murat translate Carpenters Statement?

by Harriet94 03.06.13 0:03

Perhaps its only private investigators who are allowed to interpret information supplied by Carpenters/Gaspers. Tax funded Scotland Yard Back Off!

by aiyoyo 03.06.13 6:24

Bed and children toys in a capsuled garage.....

A 50ish grey Brit man...

Murat & Russian friend...

Laundry man of the Resort and a white van seen a few times in the vicinity....
(Laundry man would certainly need a van for transportation.)

All these in this Carpenter (guy?)...statement

Well depending when Carpenter's statement was taken he seemed to have observed a lot and definitely worth re-interviewing if only to determine who the 50ish greyhaired man. One of the men in the Tapas group is grey, not 50, but since grey can be mistook for 50 ish.

by **tigger** 03.06.13 6:41

PeterMac wrote:The poster is of an age-progressed photo -
Aged SIX.
Not TEN.
The McCanns and their Spokesthing Clarence Mitchell, and their private Detectives Edgar and whatsisname insist, and without ever having publicly resiled from that position
that
Madeleine is being held in a Hellish lair within 10 miles of PdL, by a predatory paedophile.
So where exactly are the public supposed to search, at the cost of £1.75p

But there's no evidence of her having come to any harm as Gerry McCann never fails to state in almost every interview. The British public isn't that gullible imo even when the popular press is falling over itself with 'soothing' couples, creepy men and six British cleaners in quick succession.

If this wasn't about a little girl who should be going to school now and have a normal life it would be funny. Now she has been used by every nutcase who ever wanted 15 minutes of fame.

The SY review must be coming to an end as the British public are asked again to help. The McCanns have stated last year that they would not employ private detectives so as not to duplicate or hinder the review. But it was a review, not an active search by SY so why stop looking?

Further info: https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t5063-the-appointment-of-and-the-actions-of-the-mccann-team-s-private-investigatorsmetodo-3antonio-gimenez-rasokevin-halligendave-edgar?highlight=the+private

by plebgate 03.06.13 7:43

Snipped from PennyX post:

" I think it would become a police matter so everything else would
follow including the ID of the person posting. The computer would
record who posted & what. It is very simple.

Libel is a civil matter and would not involved the police. The computer cannot know which person in a household is posting.

Anyway as you said people have their own opinions.

As Margaret Thatcher was once reported as saying - Deny, Deny, Deny. British holidaymakers can help in the hunt for Madeleine, says Kate McCann Sunday Express 2/6/13 - Page 2 847771

British holidaymakers can help in the hunt for Madeleine, says Kate McCann Sunday Express 2/6/13 - Page 2 847771

by plebgate 03.06.13 7:50

PeterMac wrote:The poster is of an age-progressed photo -
Aged SIX.
Not TEN.
The McCanns and their Spokesthing Clarence Mitchell, and their private Detectives Edgar and whatsisname insist, and without ever having publicly resiled from that position
that
Madeleine is being held in a Hellish lair within 10 miles of PdL, by a predatory paedophile.
So where exactly are the public supposed to search, at the cost of £1.75p

I meant to copy and paste last week a post from here where someone pointed out along the lines that when a family go on holiday why should they be expected to buy posters or wear wrist bands (which they have to pay for) and young children going to bed each night could be frightened witless worrying about whether a nasty man was coming to take them away from their family in the middle of the night.

How true.

by Smokeandmirrors 03.06.13 8:04

Even in the immediate aftermath of 3/5/2007 when there were a few sightings coming in of little blond girls who were the right sort of age and size as Madeleine, especially the one in Belgium, the McCanns never gave any indication that they were taking them seriously. Kate even complained about the police driving too fast after one sighting (WTF?? - could any vehicle go fast enough under such circumstances?).

Six years on and only guesstimate age-progression pictures to go on and no idea if a now 10 year old would still have fair hair, no idea how tall (children vary so much at 10), or anything else, what good would a wristband or a luggage tag be anyway?

Would the McCanns even recognize a 10 year old Madeleine if she stood right in front of them?

by **tigger** 03.06.13 8:32

Smokeandmirrors wrote:Even in the immediate aftermath of 3/5/2007 when there were a few sightings coming in of little blond girls who were the right sort of age and size as Madeleine, especially the one in Belgium, the McCanns never gave any indication that they were taking them seriously. Kate even complained about the police driving too fast after one sighting (WTF?? - could any vehicle go fast enough under such circumstances?).

Six years on and only guesstimate age-progression pictures to go on and no idea if a now 10 year old would still have fair hair, no idea how tall (children vary so much at 10), or anything else, what good would a wristband or a luggage tag be anyway?

Would the McCanns even recognize a 10 year old Madeleine if she stood right in front of them?

I don't think so. What struck me about the latest 'age advanced picture' is that her parting is on the right. In all the photographs it's either in the middle or on the left. So not very accurately observed imo. I would have expected her mother to spot that.

by Smokeandmirrors 03.06.13 8:40

tigger wrote:
Smokeandmirrors wrote:Even in the immediate aftermath of 3/5/2007 when there were a few sightings coming in of little blond girls who were the right sort of age and size as Madeleine, especially the one in Belgium, the McCanns never gave any indication that they were taking them seriously. Kate even complained about the police driving too fast after one sighting (WTF?? - could any vehicle go fast enough under such circumstances?).

Six years on and only guesstimate age-progression pictures to go on and no idea if a now 10 year old would still have fair hair, no idea how tall (children vary so much at 10), or anything else, what good would a wristband or a luggage tag be anyway?

Would the McCanns even recognize a 10 year old Madeleine if she stood right in front of them?

I don't think so. What struck me about the latest 'age advanced picture' is that her parting is on the right. In all the photographs it's either in the middle or on the left. So not very accurately observed imo. I would have expected her mother to spot that.

And she wasn't a "proper" blond, the sort of hair colour that goes darker with age. They should be advising people to look for a brunette, not a blond, the whole idea of looking for a blond IMO is futile.

by **tigger** 03.06.13 9:36

Spaniel wrote:
tigger wrote:Spaniel wrote:
I have no idea of the legalities regarding comments in newspapers as it's not my concern. I made it my concern though at the height of the TB proceedings to research whether a forum owner is liable for postings. They are not and it's here somewhere that to sue a forum owner would be akin to suing a newsagent for selling a paper containing libellous material.

We are all responsible for what we post, not the forum owner.
Think on. Would CR have gone after Tony Bennett if they could have had the site owner instead and closed it down?
unquote

It would be wonderful if you could post the reference. TB wasn't prosecuted initially for anything he posted here but for distributing a booklet.
I find the analogy of a newsagent to a forum owner and administrator rather unlikely. The case of Sally Bercow v. McAlpine will be interesting in this respect since I recently read that there is a precedent which states that in a case of multiple sources of libel the main source should be taken to court and picking out individual offenders was disallowed by the court.

In the case of taking newspapers to court for libel, it's never an individual journalist but always the paper as a whole.

I said did I not that papers didn't concern my research as we here are not newspapers. Go research that if you like. My concern at the time was this forum's liability, of which they have none.

I'm really tired of people here not understanding why TB was penalised and it was not because of a booklet. I could explain yet again, but I think your mind is closed.

I referred to journalists and not comments by readers in my last post. I know exactly why TB was judged in court, i.e. for contempt of court in breaking the undertaking given after the initial 'offence'. I used the word 'initially' for that reason.
Most members and guests understand perfectly well why TB was in court as far as I can see.

I didn't ask for an explanation of that matter but I did ask politely if you could produce the reference for your statement repeated above that this forum has no liability for the content posted by members. Imo that's very good news but where and when can we find a legal reference? Until such time I will say that I think the present misinformation campaign is ˙∆˚˚¬¬øøˆˆ∆∆˙˙˙©©©©¡¡¡¡©©ƒ®®¢£™£∞∞§§§¡!!!

- and to get back on topic: asking holiday makers to buy posters from their Ltd. Co. (aka as Fund) to help look for Maddie is †¥¶•∆∆˚˚¬¬!!

by suzyjohnson 03.06.13 10:37

My question here is this -

Why on earth should I buy posters and take them on holiday with me when the McCann's own friends are so unconcerned for Madeleine's welfare that they have all refused to return to Portugal to take part in the reconstruction?

The way I see it the tapas group have to convince us all that they actually believe that Madeleine is still alive by taking part in the reconstruction. Otherwise we can only draw two conclusions, either that they are all completely unmoved by the plight of a young girl, or that they already know that she is beyond help.

by Monty Heck 03.06.13 10:45

suzyjohnson Today at 10:37 am

My question here is this -

Why on earth should I buy posters and take them on holiday with me when the McCann's own friends are so unconcerned for Madeleine's welfare that they have all refused to return to Portugal to take part in the reconstruction?

The way I see it the tapas group have to convince us all that they actually believe that Madeleine is still alive by taking part in the reconstruction. Otherwise we can only draw two conclusions, either that they are all completely unmoved by the plight of a young girl, or that they already know that she is beyond help.

Well said. If this group of people believe this child is alive and findable, why would they agree among themselves to effectively stall the investigation into finding her? Their actions indicate that there is no urgency to find her. She could wait years for a case review to be implemented, then more years while the case files are searched. No rush at all, and if she's an adult by the time she's found, well, why would that be our fault?

by nomendelta 03.06.13 11:52

The aged progressed photo of Maddie is not particularly helpful - I know of one girl in Malaga that looks pretty close and a couple more in the small town near Huelva where I used to live. I am quite sure in my small Scottish town I could probably find half a dozen lookalikes.

That's what this is about - generate more useless sightings. Sightings get reported, headlines made, fund gets publicised and coffers boosted.

by plebgate 03.06.13 12:44

In view of the number of redheads in Mr's family it is possible that Maddie could have red hair and freckles.

British holidaymakers can help in the hunt for Madeleine, says Kate McCann Sunday Express 2/6/13