Re: Blacksmith

by bobbin 14.06.13 11:25

Angelique wrote:I agree that Blacksmith sometimes drops either side of the fence and sometimes I simply can't work out what he is trying so hard to say.

I do have this this strange picture in my mind of him writing from the inside of a desk :)

Is that like one of those old wooden desks in junior school with a lift up lid and an ink-well, where he lies in wait, all coiled up inside, ready to jump out at you like a jack-in-the-box if you are unfortunate enough to happen upon his desk. big grin

by Angelique 14.06.13 11:29

bobbin wrote:
Angelique wrote:I agree that Blacksmith sometimes drops either side of the fence and sometimes I simply can't work out what he is trying so hard to say.

I do have this this strange picture in my mind of him writing from the inside of a desk :)
Is that like one of those old wooden desks in junior school with a lift up lid and an ink-well, where he lies in wait, all coiled up inside, ready to jump out at you like a jack-in-the-box if you are unfortunate enough to happen upon his desk.

bobbin

Yes - absolutely my vision was one of those lift the lid type desks ha.. ha.. Great minds think alike!

by margaret 14.06.13 11:36

Not even Mr Anthony Aloysius Hancock Bennett, whose day in court ended in craven abasement but whose latest libel refers to a conspiracy by the parents and Robert Murat to cover up the child's disappearance before she even disappeared.

I can't say l've seen anything on this but is there really a new libel against Tony? wft

by Guest 14.06.13 11:38

I think that Blacksmith has fallen off his anvil again!

what

indeed.

by margaret 14.06.13 11:40

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:I think that Blacksmith has fallen off his anvil again!

indeed.

Since Tony isn't even allowed to talk about the case he can't have made any comments that could be construed as libellous, so l don't know what BS is on about.

by Guest 14.06.13 11:46

margaret wrote:
Not even Mr Anthony Aloysius Hancock Bennett, whose day in court ended in craven abasement but whose latest libel refers to a conspiracy by the parents and Robert Murat to cover up the child's disappearance before she even disappeared.

I can't say l've seen anything on this but is there really a new libel against Tony?

indeed, what is he on about!

by Guest 14.06.13 11:49

Angelique wrote:candyfloss

Can you help - I seem to have lost any "little boxes" at the top and no smilies either. Maybe its because I am using Apple perhaps?

Might be, lots of people having problems too on other forums. They are trying to sort it out.

http://help.forumotion.com/t124671p360-only-topic-new-editor#831718

by **Tony Bennett** 14.06.13 11:54

'Blacksmith' wrote:

"Mr Anthony Aloysius Hancock Bennett, whose day in court ended in craven abasement...his latest libel..."

He really doesn't like me, does he?

And is he really Antony Sharples?

by **Tony Bennett** 14.06.13 11:57

Lostfridge wrote:QUOTE Blacksmith: "Amid this shortage of facts one truth stands out: it is a fact that after six years there is no known evidence of involvement of the parents in the disappearance of their daughter"

I can never work out where this guy is coming from.....

REPLY: I worked it out a long time ago. His rantings on the subject of Lord McAlpine were certainly instructive...

I seem to recall that Portia was an ardent, passionate dovotee of 'Blacksmith'...

by Guest 14.06.13 12:02

http://ordinisrubricrucis.wordpress.com/2013/03/15/puppeteering-antony-sharples-and-the-blacksmiths

Link to a site from someone less than impressed with Blacksmith.

by tiny 14.06.13 12:02

No Tony he makes that quite plain big grin

what have you done to upset him,i wonder

by Guest 14.06.13 12:14

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:http://ordinisrubricrucis.wordpress.com/2013/03/15/puppeteering-antony-sharples-and-the-blacksmiths

Link to a site from someone less than impressed with Blacksmith.

Alas that writer does not get his facts right. Mixing up kiko with AS.
Seriously, I am not impressed

parapono

by Guest 14.06.13 12:17

In an underneath way he's seems to be saying "pack it all in and go home" NO WAY

by DIBarlow 14.06.13 12:36

margaret wrote:
Not even Mr Anthony Aloysius Hancock Bennett, whose day in court ended in craven abasement but whose latest libel refers to a conspiracy by the parents and Robert Murat to cover up the child's disappearance before she even disappeared.

I can't say l've seen anything on this but is there really a new libel against Tony?

IMO there are two possibilities here?

1. Blacksmith really is 'in the know' and has hitherto unknown evidence of the latest libel action taken by TM against TB.

2. Blacksmith is citing TB post found here https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t2248-robert-murat-s-role#161741 without realising that it was posted in March 2011.

Other than those options, I have no clue.

by bobbin 14.06.13 12:47

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:http://ordinisrubricrucis.wordpress.com/2013/03/15/puppeteering-antony-sharples-and-the-blacksmiths

Link to a site from someone less than impressed with Blacksmith.

A succinct and eloquent description of BS. I have never been able to feel convinced.
I like most of all the reply by Conor. Two grammatical errors in his accusation against the author. laughat

Conor says:
March 22, 2013 at 12:11

Not half as sad or as pathetic as your feebly assault, Sir/Madam. Bad writing/journalism indeed.
(should that be "Not half as sad, nor as pathetic, as your feeble assault"

by garfy 14.06.13 12:59

And is he really Antony Sharples?

I think Ena Sharples would be a more apt name for him ...[a proper know it all]

by lj 15.06.13 2:42

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:Maybe no physical evidence but bucket loads of circumstantial evidence.

I thought that Blacksmith had given up blogging?

=========================

He should ....

I have no idea how to get this out of the quote box

by lj 15.06.13 2:50

Ah, they want us to think outside the box.

As far as BS goes: he looks like an old starlet, who gives farewell concerts over and over again.

I like to read he
is pieces, because as a foreigner I love reading decent English. He motivations for writing seem very narcissistic though.

by **tigger** 15.06.13 7:22

@ lj:

(I still can't get out of that quote box! )

Yes jl, it's his use of language and in many pieces, subtle humour that was the best of Blacksmith.

His continued sniping at Tony Bennett spoils it all for me as it is simply petty and I would think reporting that Tony was drawing pictures of a scantily-clad Maddie whilst in court is libel and completely untrue.
The intimation is clear and it's made even worse by the fact that Blacksmith reacted so furiously to the tweets on the McAlpine case. Which alleged libel was based on an actual event in the press. Which cannot be said about the above remark.

You can't have it both ways BS.

by **Tony Bennett** 15.06.13 9:02

tigger wrote:
His continued sniping at Tony Bennett spoils it all for me as it is simply petty and I would think reporting that Tony was drawing pictures of a scantily-clad Maddie whilst in court is libel and completely untrue. The intimation is clear and it's made even worse by the fact that Blacksmith reacted so furiously to the tweets on the McAlpine case...

REPLY: It was of course a deeply offensive comment, completley untrue, and probably libellous, even if just on the basis of 'innuendo'. The venom of that particular attack was enhanced by also describing me in appearance as 'a tramp', which even my critics might agree was a trifle over the top. But the reference to an allegation that I was drawing pictures of a scantily-clad Madeleine says nothing about me but does tell us something about 'blacksmith'.

His vitriol has frequently been aimed at me and I don't think anyone else has been criticised so severely by him. Here are just three examples:

QUOTE 1: "Bennett is an ideal target – anti-McCann, loud and self-righteous, an effective, if weird, self-publicist (he can be seen sittingowlishly behind McCann and the Coffin in the House of Commons hearings) and, most importantly, a serial loser who looks like he fell out of Monty..."

QUOTE 2: "...however many times nutters like Mr Bennett email Goncalo Amaralthey won’t get a reply"

QUOTE 3: "The one I find most disgusting is the way he returns time after time, vulture-like, to sink his dirty beak into the totally blameless Robert Murat, picking out the juicy bits from the police evidence, this time like a drooling old man with binoculars trained on his neighbour's lavatory, to hint, or suggest, or claim or assert, or thrill, that Murat is involved in the disappearance of Madeline McCann. Excuse me. [Reaches for napkin to vomit into].

It is this last quote which perhaps teaches us the most about 'blacksmith'.

First of all, there is the 'lavatorial' language that he often produces within his pieces. This is an insight into his mind, just as the reference to my allegedly 'doodling pictures of a scantily-clad Madeleine' emerged from his mind, not mine. We might go further and think about the content of what I would call his 'Lord McAlpine' piece (which he's now deleted, I think?), where he rounded viciously on those (including members of this forum) who were allegedly engaged in some sort of witch-hunt against child-abusers, whilst at the same time robustly defending Lord McAlpine as a 'warm' and 'cuddly' person, comments which more than hinted at him knowing Lord McAlpine personally.

Second, what does he say about Robert Murat? He describes Robert Murat as 'totally blameless' and talks about 'picking out the juicy bits from the police evidence'.

As is known, I have researched Robert Murat's statement made to the police on 15 May, when he was first interviewed, and then his further statements made on 10 and 11 July, when he changed his statement in at least 17 important respects. He did so simply because a diligent Portuguese police investigation had uncovered these errors by analysing his mobile 'phone 'pings'. His excuse for these 17 errors was that he was 'tired' when first interviewed on 15 May. I have referred to these, boldly I admit, as 'Murat's 17 lies'.

I am happy for forum-members to judge whether this work of unpicking Murat's lies was genuine research into the truth about Madeleine's disappearance - or, as 'balcksmith' would have it: "like a drooling old man with binoculars trained on his neighbour's lavatory..."

by plebgate 15.06.13 9:12

Never read his blog(s) unless something is posted on here.

Ignoring the dung is best Tony. He has also referred to the posters here as cowards.

I read your post into the Murat statement and believe it was genuine research.

Who cares what any other bloggers think of this site or the posters on it. Although I do think the comment about sketching drawings of Maddie is an terrible thing to blog and as you say Tony, it came from his mind, not yours.

Name calling comes from the "pro" camp, so maybe that tells us something about his postings?

by Guest 15.06.13 9:22

:goodpost:plebgate.

I remember commenting before that he sounded more likely to be the one drawing pictures and that provoked an outpouring of bile!

He (or they?) have had some great moments in the past - the McCann alphabet was hilarious - but now, I think I can safely say, he has joined the ranks of Bonnybraes and Bren.

P.S. The icons are playing up again - there should be one where it says: good post.

by Guest 15.06.13 12:05

by sallypelt 15.06.13 12:07

The Blacksmith Bureau Saturday, 15 June 2013

I've posted this on the SY threat too, so admins, please remove one if you think it's necessary

Now we're talking…

"Under the plan, Yard detectives will seek the assistance of the Portuguese to carry out some inquiries on their behalf. British police do not have jurisdiction in Portugal but they have the right to investigate and prosecute any British suspects who might be linked to Madeleine’s disappearance."
As Goncalo Amaral has said repeatedly, the original investigation was "incomplete". The Attorney-General's department in the archiving summary detailed the ways in which it was incomplete. The common factor was that the British persons of interest were beyond reach. If the review, which we remind readers is a joint review, had led to the re-opening of the case in Portugal then the authorities there would be faced with exactly the same problem that they had then: no way of forcing those people back and insufficient evidence to seek European arrest warrants. That will not be the case if the Yard take over the inquiry. The only "persons of interest" to the investigation are the holiday group: the others are now dead.
Forget the forthcoming rumours that the Portuguese will be upset by the decision – that is a Scotland Yard steer and untrue. The fact is that the two countries have finally found a way to cut the Gordian knot. Everyone who wants the truth to come out, such as the parents of the child and their supporters, will welcome the news. Hooray!

by **tigger** 15.06.13 18:54

https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t6008-blacksmith-unmasking-himself?highlight=blacksmith

Blacksmith: "Quite how an internet movement which began by investigating the lies of Kate & Gerry McCann has become a sex and crime obsessed clique of self-righteous losers that thinks it’s acceptable to defame honourable men like McAlpine defeats me.
What a truly wicked thing to do! [...] I only regret that McAlpine is too gentle a man to make the Twitter users who’ve defamed him pay the appropriate price – personal ruin – for their behaviour, instead of settling with them, as he probably will.
I've been rude or satirical about McCann forum people lately to disassociate myself from what I consider is now a disgusting activity.
unquote

Below is what I wrote at the time:
Surely Blacksmith could have found a simpler method than rudeness or satire to dissociate (disassociate isn't the best word here JB) himself from the likes of us? Especially if he now considers the majority of 'us' to be engaged in 'disgusting activities'.

The language in defending LMcA is curiously non-Blacksmith. 'What a wicked thing to do' would fit an elderly aunt's profile. Next we have a statement that
'McAlpine is too gentle a man'. Very nice if he's your uncle, but we're straying into territory and adjectives more suited to someone who has a personal interest, rather than that of an observer.

This gentle man, as I pointed out earlier, was and probably still is, a business man.

From the Oz 2000 interview:
‘McAlpine’s advice on dealing with the media?
Spread false defeat to gain public sympathy; or false accusation and then arrange for it to be exposed as such – so the accuser will forever be treated with suspicion.’ unquote
ref: http://hat4uk.wordpress.com/2012/11/17/lord-mcalpine-shock-new-question-from-australia/

This gentle man too, wrote a book on the New Machiavelli.

So why is Blacksmith presenting us with a gentle man, who is the victim of wicked people like us? Because we haven't said a thing about him before the media did.
unquote

Below (apologies for the long post) is a copy of the BS article and in particular the references to Payne being totally innocent (he published a picture of a Middle East lynching alongside it) There is no reference to the Gaspar statement, which clearly accused Payne. Here we go, the language getting ever more - let's say vulgar.

Friday, 23 November 2012
Saying sorry is the easiest thing

John Blacksmith writes again: Well now. Somebody mailed me to check out one of the forums where a poster was devoting an inordinate amount of time and multi-coloured ink to me. I did. The post I skimmed was actually quite harmless and amusing but it was some of the other stuff on this "Madeleine McCann Site" which caught my eye.

As we know, Lord McAlpine was libelled and he has taken action against a number of the libellers. Nobody has stood up to claim that the libel was anything more than a grotesque pack of lies. The reason why the libel was so serious, of course, was the current climate of mass hysteria about paedophilia which the forums on the one hand and Witchfinder Rebekah and her peers on the other have whipped up.

In such a climate the accusation is absolute dynamite, far more serious than being accused of murder. Readers have only to look at the treatment of Raymond Hewlett, the man whom the McCanns' employees publicly targeted as a possible "suspect" in the MM case, to see how he became overnight the target of gross and disgusting abuse and accusations and was pursued right onto his deathbed, treatment which the Bureau described with contempt as "pissing into his oxygen mask".

It is this climate which has resulted in a number of deaths of suspected paedophiles at the hands of lynch mobs. Beaten to death. In England. In the twenty-first century. To make the accusation is to put the person at risk.

Now the anti-McCann sites have form in this regard. With gloating fascination they have accused David Payne of being a paedophile time and time again. We've always refused even to discuss the filth people have thrown at him after dribbling over the "evidence" which demonstrates his wickedness, just as we've always refused to discuss the claims that one of the Head Witchfinders was caught with his erect cock in his moving hand in a public lavatory some time ago. We could do so, of course, and we could use the McCann forum techniques to demand that the suspect answers our questions and demonstrates his innocence. We have the absolute right, don't we, to know whether he was watching, or fantasising about, an adult or a child while he was busily occupying himself. And what sex was that person? Justice for Maddie (from Norbury) demands the truth!

Did Payne's accusers ever consider what the consequences might be for him? Did they actually hope that a mob might descend on his house and start trying to burn it down ? Or were they just too dim to see that words cause real-world events?

Unquote

by **Tony Bennett** 15.06.13 19:23

tigger,

We have already seen on this thread the lavatorial language of 'blacksmith' (quite apart from the frequent swearing) plus his capacity to imagine others drawing a scantily-clad Madeleine.

Now you have added these two comments from 'blacksmith' in your post above (I'm very reluctant to re-quote them and only do so to illustrate a point)::

(1), QUOTE: "...treatment which the Bureau described with contempt as "pissing into his oxygen mask"

(2), QUOTE: ".... we've always refused to discuss the claims that one of the Head Witchfinders was caught with his erect cock in his moving hand in a public lavatory some time ago..."

These and other comments are more than unpleasant - and quite unnecessarily graphic.

Regarding the Dr David Payne allegtions, these facts must be remembered:

* Two fully qualified GPs broke the convention of standing shoulder-to-shoulder with fellow medics by alerting Leiecestershire Police to their serious concerns about Payne's remarks, and

* Leicestershire Police took nearly 6 months (and waited until Dr Goncalo Amaral was safely out of the way) before sending the Gaspars' statement to Portugal.

Against that background, you would think that a purported serious journalist/researcher on the Madeleine McCann case would show at least some concern.

But, no. Instead, he rails against 'the filth people have thrown at him after dribbling over the 'evidence' which demonstrates his wickedness".

And he describes forums like this as "a sex and crime obsessed clique of self-righteous losers", referring to Lord McAlpine as 'gentle'.

These matters enable us to work out some of the things which go on in 'blacksmith's mind - they are, if you like, pointers to his prejudices, views and inclinations

by Guest 15.06.13 19:31

The filth that Blacksmith is now peddling destroys all the credibility he or they once had.

It's up to anyone else of course if they decide to copy any blogs here but I'll be quite happy never to hear from him again; he has in my view reduced himself to the level of the worst cesspit sites.

by **Tony Bennett** 15.06.13 19:35

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:It's up to anyone else of course if they decide to copy any blogs here but I'll be quite happy never to hear from him again...

AGREED

by **tigger** 15.06.13 20:20

Tony Bennett wrote:
No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:It's up to anyone else of course if they decide to copy any blogs here but I'll be quite happy never to hear from him again...
AGREED

I certainly won't do this again, but I thought the graphic content of these openly published articles illustrate the BS problem clearly. It may be the reason he deleted them.

For reasons best known to the BS bureau, nearly all articles were deleted and none to be added. Now we find new articles and I thought the above might serve as a reminder.

Admin: please feel free remove or edit my posts above, it really is quite unsavoury now I see them again I'm sorry I posted it. Or could you blank out the relevant words? omg

Only rational reason for the above example of his/their work I can think of is that BS is part of Editorial Intelligence and is now frustrated that we don't answer using the same language.

by bobbin 15.06.13 21:55

tigger wrote:
Tony Bennett wrote:
No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:It's up to anyone else of course if they decide to copy any blogs here but I'll be quite happy never to hear from him again...
AGREED

I certainly won't do this again, but I thought the graphic content of these openly published articles illustrate the BS problem clearly. It may be the reason he deleted them.

For reasons best known to the BS bureau, nearly all articles were deleted and none to be added. Now we find new articles and I thought the above might serve as a reminder.

Admin: please feel free remove or edit my posts above, it really is quite unsavoury now I see them again I'm sorry I posted it. Or could you blank out the relevant words?

Only rational reason for the above example of his/their work I can think of is that BS is part of Editorial Intelligence and is now frustrated that we don't answer using the same language.

I think it is rather important to leave the material here.
Just as Lord A M wrote a book showing how to debase other people and render them disrespected and disbelieved, just as this same man 'cleaned' his wiki pages, was it around the time that Ovenden was being looked at? Blacksmith has shown in print and on the record, what his mind is like.
Unpleasant as it is to read this sort of thing, wiping it off the record does not make him a nice person all of a sudden, and people deserve to be able to make their own judgment, which they can only do if they are properly informed.
I don't think any of us would be happy to be party to 'white-washing' either BS or Lord A M