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Post by Tony Bennett on 24.03.11 10:45

1. At the time Madeleine was reported missing, Clarence Mitchell was the Head of the 40-strong government Media Monitoring Unit at the COI. Without doubt he would have been fully briefed about the events at Praia da Luz as soon as they happened. We know from a written reply to an FOI Act request that Mitchell was seconded from the COI to the Foreign Office on 7 May. He actually went out to Praia da Luz on 22 May

2. The first public identifying of Murat as a possible suspect came with journalist Lori Campbell speaking to her editor and to Leicestershire Police on 6 and 7 May. Ms Campbell and Mitchell knew each other well, not least because they covered the Soham murder story together for several weeks

3. During the first few days after Madeleine McCann was reported missing, various members of the security services came out to Praia da Luz. They included: Leicestershire Police, CEOP, NPIS (National Police Intelligence Service) and MI5 (sources: various, including Amaral’s book ‘The Truth About A Lie’). Jim Gamble is the Chief Executive of CEOP. In addition, it seems that a private intelligence agency, Control Risks Group, sent out two of its members in the first few days.

4. Right from early on 4 May, Murat became a translator for the Portuguese Police. In that position, he obtained information about the investigation, he put forward theories to the police, he suggested investigation strategies to them, and he was observed trying to read confidential investigation documents. These matters were made the subject of a report expressing serious concerns by one of the Inspectors to his seniors.

5. We know from Amaral’s book that a team from CEOP (or certainly including men from CEOP), described by Amaral as ‘profilers’, had by the weekend of 12/13 May not only come up with the profile of a likely abductor, but said that they were ‘90% sure’ [Amaral’s chapter on Murat] that Murat was the man they all were looking for. It is worth noting that they all focussed on the ‘fact’ that Madeleine had been abducted and it is obvious that these men from CEOP were not considering other possibilities.

6. On 12 May, Murat hired a car for no obvious reason, and apparently giving two different reasons for doing so. In addition, for a reason not explained, he gave as his address the address of his soon-to-be-ex-wife in Norfolk - why?

7. On 13 May, we know from Amaral’s book (and not expressly denied elsewhere) that Jane Tanner, in a police van with darkened windows, was ‘adamant’ (Amaral’s words) that when she saw Robert Murat walk by the police van, that he was the abductor she’d allegedly seen 10 days earlier. We know from what she and others have said that before identifying Murat she had spoken both to Leicestershire Police’s Bob Small and to ‘the men that Kate and Gerry brought in’ - widely taken to mean the men from Control Risks Group (but it could have been others).

8. The very next day (14 May), three members of the ‘Tapas 9’ - Rachael Mampilly, Fiona Payne and Dr Russell O’Brien - suddenly said they were ‘sure’ that they had each seen Robert Murat hanging around the Ocean Club late in the evening on 3 May. To the PJ, this helped to deepen their suspicions about him. These three repeated in a ‘police confrontation’ with Robert Murat on 11 July 2007 (see below) that they had definitely seen Murat that night. Murat denied it.

9. On 14 May, in his first police interview, Murat was asked to explain his movements and actions between 1 and 4 May. When he had his second and third interviews with the police on 10 and 11 July, as I have shown in a separate article, he changed his story in no fewer than 17 significant respects. He ‘remembered’ places he’d been to (after the police confronted him with where his mobile ’phone showed he had been during those four days), and he ‘remembered’ people he’d seen. It was now 10 weeks since these events, yet his memory recall seemed much better now than it had been barely a week after those events.

10. Murat received about £700,000 in two separate libel payouts in the latter half of 2008.

These possibilities arise from the above facts:


A. It was always part of a plan for Murat to be available for translations as soon as Madeleine was reported missing; that was why he flew out to Praia da Lz on 1 May.
B. It was part of a plan for Murat to be named as the suspect very early on, thus switching attention right away from the McCanns. In other words, he was ‘The Fall Guy’, the ‘Patsy’.
C. It was part of the plan for Murat to receive a huge pay-off eventually, one way or another. As it happened, this came by way of two libel pay-outs.


It is not being suggested that Murat played any part in Madeleine’s disappearance, only that he was deeply involved in subsequent events, in a collusion with the McCanns.


A plan may have developed as follows:

1. Suggestions put to Lori Campbell (perhaps by Clarence on the 'phone from London) to take a close look at Murat

2. Men from British security services/CEOP/MI5 etc. develop a profile of the abductor (because they are working on the abduction theory and ruling out all else) - then come up with Murat as the man to get. Did they perhaps have Murat in mind BEFORE they did their alleged ‘profiling’?

3. Jane Tanner is somehow briefed by some of these men and it is somehow suggested to her that she identify Murat as the abductor. She does so in what was either an incompetent or corrupt identification exercise

4. Immediately after Murat is arrested, three of the 'Tapas' group (Fiona, Dave and Rachael) trot down to the cop shop and say: "We saw Murat hanging round the Ocean Club late in the evening on 3 May (and they maintain this line at the confrontation on 11 July).

We can then slot in things during 1-3 May as preparation for his role as 'Fall Guy'. He meets his lawyer Pagarete to discuss this role, how he can be sure he will be paid at the end etc. etc., and his other meetings are somehow connected with the coming abduction hoax to be played out on the evening of 3 May.

He then performs the translation role as agreed beforehand and picks up valuable information about the investigation which is duly relayed to the Tapas group.

In November he meets Kennedy to discuss a deal. Kennedy tells him arrangements are in hand for lawyers to claim a large sum of money for him. Amaral by then has been successfully ousted from his post.

Immediately after, stories appear in the press like 'Tanner says Murat not the abductor' and 'McCanns not sure if Murat involved' [I document these in my forthcoming Murat article]

Kennedy, Metodo 3 and Marcos Aragao Correia work up stories about Madeleine's body being found in a lake, Madeleine being seen here and there etc.

McCann Team told off the record by PJ that there will be no charges.

Murat sues for libel and collects £600,000-plus.

As the concluding part of the deal, he has to make a one-off 'final speech' at the Cambridge Union on 5 March 2009 where he lambasts the tabloids blaming the whole thing on them and winds up by saying: 'The important thing is to keep looking out for Madeleine'.
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Post by Autumn on 24.03.11 22:45

Very interesting Tony thumbsup if it could be established exactly what Murat's role was in this, I think we would be well on the way to unravelling the McCanns web of deceit.
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Post by listener on 24.03.11 23:22

Another well-thoughtout post Tony ROBERT MURAT'S ROLE 259100
I have often pondered about Kennedy's involvement. The only conclusion I ever came to was that BK was/is a member of the same 'club' - and I don't mean the one where you are initiated whilst wearing a sheepskin apron.
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Post by Guest on 12.06.13 14:46

First time I;ve read about Murat and the car hire, must have another read to digest it.

I don't know if this has been posted and discussed before, but it's the first time I've seen it, an artical in the Daily Mail in 2007:

 

Madeleine's DNA was found in Murat's house, police claim
Last updated at 18:06 24 October 2007


Detectives searching for Madeleine McCann have told a Portuguese newspaper she WAS at the home of official suspect Robert Murat.
Officers claim traces of the missing four-year-old's hair and body fluids were found in at the Briton's villa.
The new allegations come as Mr Murat was due to be removed from the suspects' list after detectives failed to provide enough evidence to charge him.
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Suspect Robert Murat: traces of Madeleine's DNA were allegedly found at his house
But according to sources quoted in the newspaper 24 Horas DNA samples found in his house was Madeleine's.
Detectives claimed they matched traces found in the hire car rented by the Kate and Gerry McCann 25 days after Madeleine disappeared.
Mr Murat,33, an Anglo-Portuguese who lives at his mother's rambling walled villa Casa Liliana, was arrested two weeks after the youngster vanished from her parents's holiday apartment in Praia da Luz, 60 yards away.
He became the first and only official suspect in the case until Kate and Gerry, both 39, were named by Portugal's Justice Ministry six weeks ago.
Sources alleged Mr Murat did not return to the house after his arrest on May 14 on suspicion of havimg been involved in Madeleine's disappearance.
The tell-tale traces were reportedly discovered during searches between June 10 and August 4.
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Madeleine disappeared on May 3
They explain why Portuguese police are refusing to drop their theory that Madeleine died in her parents' apartment and her body was hidden nearby until it could be removed from the area.
But Mr Murat's lawyer Francisco Pagarete insisted his client was innocent and would fight to clear his name.
He said: "My client is accused of a virtual crime.
"All he has done is to be a suspect in the early stages of the child's disappearance.
"I have read the statutes and there is no such crime."
Mr Murat will have a chance to clear his name next month.
Under Portugal's new penal code suspects cannot be held for more than six months without knowing details of the evidence against them.
Meanwhile new claims have been made that Gerry McCann organised a game of tennis in the days after his daughter Madeleine disappeared. In an allegation likely to infuriate the McCanns, a waiter at the Ocean Club resort in Praia da Laz said Gerry and Kate were "very cool" after she vanished and seemed less upset than their friends. The waiter said: "What we found really strange was Gerry, days after the little girl disappeared, calmly playing tennis. He played with an old couple from England.
"I thought that everybody else in the group seemed more upset and stressed and bothered than the parents.
"They were so cool about it. I never saw them cry or anything. They played tennis and went jogging.
"They didn't seem as distraught as their friends. If my kid disappeared I'd go insane. I wouldn't be able to function. They'd have to lock me away


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-489408/Madeleines-DNA-Murats-house-police-claim.html#ixzz2W0dkv0q6
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Post by tiny on 12.06.13 16:12

Robert murat knows more than he's told is my belief , i don't think he has anything to do with Madeleine's demise,but there's just something about him
that I just cant put my finger on.
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Post by Tony Bennett on 12.06.13 16:31

@tiny wrote:Robert Murat knows more than he's told is my belief, I don't think he has anything to do with Madeleine's demise, but there's just something about him
that I just can't put my finger on...
Here's something, tiny, and others, can certainly put their finger on: Murat's 17 lies.


Why?

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 Murat’s police interview on 11 July

At 10.00am on 11 July, Murat faced further questions from Inspector Paulo Ferreira. Here are the main points from this interview.


·        Murat remembered that the ’phone numbers for ‘Roger’, 44780xxxxxxx, and 44770xxxxxxxx, are both mobile ’phone numbers of two partners who buy and sell land and whom he knows professionally.

·        He said he’d been in England ‘about a month’ before returning to Portugal on 1 May. He’d been renovating the house that used to belong to his grandmother and is now owned by his mother. He and his mother had struck a deal; he would renovate that house in Devon; she would invest in ‘Romigen’.

·        His mother had paid for the trip to England.

·        Whilst over in England, he’d been in contact with his sister and brother-in-law, his nephews, and his long-standing friend Mário R____ C____ (‘Czech’) who lived nearby in Exeter.

·        Whilst in England he kept in internet contact with his future partners Jorge da Silva and his son Jason, and of course his partner Michaela.

·        He cannot be sure if he kept in touch with Sergei Malinka during this period.

·        He said that whilst in England, negotiations with his potential future business partners had stalled. This was why he decided to travel to Portugal. He wanted to progress this matter, believing that he was the only person who could do so.

·        He booked his air ticket with ‘flybe’ by internet on the same day he travelled, namely Tuesday 1 May.

·        The night before flying out, he slept in the house of sister and brother-in-law. His sister Samantha took him to the airport. He flew from Exeter to Faro.

·        During his stay in England he did not have contact with the McCanns nor any of the ‘Tapas 9’ and he is not aware that any member of his family had had any contact with, or knew any of them beforehand.

·        Asked again if he was involved on the night that Madeleine disappeared or was in Mark Warner Ocean Club helping in the searches and contacting several people, around 11.30pm to midnight, he replied again: ‘Categorically, No’. He maintained that he hadn’t left his mother’s house after around 7.30pm that evening.

 
Following this further interview, the police then arranged the ‘confrontation’ between Murat and Rachel Mampilly/Oldfield, Russell O’Brien and Fiona Payne, which we discussed above.

The questioning of Murat recommenced in the afternoon. Murat again said that he arrived at his mother’s house at between 7.00pm and 7.30pm on 3 May, which is not consistent with his mother’s account, as she puts Robert’s arrival at about 8.15pm to 8.30pm, after she returned from the supermarket. He couldn’t remember what clothes he was wearing and he still couldn’t remember whether his mother was there or not when he arrived. Nor could he recall what he did that evening after he got in.

The police put to him his mother’s clear recollection that she came back to her house at around 8.30pm and that she recalls Robert arriving about the same time. Murat said couldn’t explain the discrepancy. He confirmed that he and his mother heard sirens at ‘between 10.00pm and 10.30pm’ but says again that didn’t hear the sounds of dogs barking or raised voices.

Asked about his renting a grey Hyundai Getz on Saturday 12 May from Cma Auto Rent in Praia da Luz, he recalled hiring the car in the afternoon. He said he’d done so because his mother was using the VW over the weekend and the Skoda was being repaired in the garage and he had no other means of transport. His mother returned the car the following Tuesday [15 May]. He said he’d used the car to drive round the Lagos and Portimão areas, and probably drove ‘no more than 60 to 120 miles’. Only he had driven it.

It was put to him that the clock in the car showed that it had been driven over 400 miles. Murat’s response was: ‘That’s not true’. He said it must be an error by the car hire company.

Pausing there, let us look at a contemporaneous account about Murat’s hiring of his car on 12 Saturday, in an article by Ian Herbert. We will immediately notice, on reading the first paragraph, that, according to this article, he apparently gives an entirely different reason for hiring out this car. Here is the article:

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Suspect in hunt for missing girl ‘wanted hire car immediately’

By Ian Herbert in Praia da Luz - Friday, 18 May 2007



“Police investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann in Portugal have been told how their prime suspect, the Briton Robert Murat, was impatient to rent a car two days before he was first questioned by police, because he claimed his own was needed by those involved in the search for the four-year-old.


“Staff at the Autorent 3 dealership here say they asked Mr Murat to wait until after their lunchbreak finished at 3pm last Saturday - Madeleine's fourth birthday. But he said he needed the vehicle immediately.

“Maria Rocco, the member of staff who received Mr Murat's call at the dealership, opposite the church where Madeleine's parents have been praying regularly, called police to report Mr Murat's request after hearing of his arrest. He said: ‘I need a car for myself because the English people who are looking for the little girl need to borrow my car’, Mrs Rocco recalled. ‘You could tell from his voice that he needed it in a hurry. I was puzzled. Why would he need to lend his car to somebody else [in the search]?’ The revelation comes after police questioned Mr Murat's mother, Jennifer, yesterday about her son's alleged involvement in Madeleine's abduction. Yesterday it was reported that police arrived at Mrs Murat's £600,000 villa in Praia da Luz to quiz her about her role concerning her son's alibi on the night of the abduction.


“Results of these interviews will join Mrs Rocco's evidence, which was supported by the form Mr Murat signed when he collected a Hyundai Getz at 5.16pm that day. It will certainly have interested Portuguese police, since the ground search for Madeleine was being scaled down last Saturday and Mr Murat's mother's car, a green VW van, seen in the area that weekend, was available. Mr Murat has indicated that he was aware last weekend that police were tailing him. He complained to them about this shortly before the raid on his house.

“Police are also focussing their inquiries on telephone calls between Mr Murat and a Russian computer scientist, Sergei Malinka. One of these was reportedly made by Mr Malinka a few minutes after 10pm on 3 May,  the time when Madeleine's parents discovered she was missing from her room at a Mark Warner resort in the Algarve town.

“The Russian left his flat in Praia da Luz on Wednesday night with police, who had removed a laptop and two computer hard drives. Mr Malinka declined to discuss his ’phone calls with Mr Murat yesterday, but insisted that videos seized from his house had no paedophile content. He confirmed his name and number were in Mr Murat’s phone.

“Yesterday, Mr Malinka protested his innocence. He said: ‘I am not a suspect in this case. I am merely a witness questioned like eight or nine others. Everything that has been said about me is lies...There have been claims in the press that I am some kind of sexual maniac or paedophile. It is nonsense. My career is destroyed and my life is ruined’.

“Mr Malinka remains one of the investigation's 100 witnesses, rather than a suspect like Mr Murat, but the policeman leading the inquiry, Oligario Sousa, did not rule out that situation changing. ‘[He is] not a suspect but it could be in the course of the investigation that something could change’, he said. ‘It's a very dynamic investigation’.

“Mr Malinka, who moved to Portugal from Moscow seven years ago, says he spent several weeks helping Mr Murat and his German girlfriend, Michaela Walczuk, set up a property website a year ago. He said Mr Murat was a client, not a friend, despite reports that they had been photographed together several times after Madeleine's disappearance. ‘I had a working relationship with him [Robert]. How friendly can you be with a client?’ he said.

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It is clear that by the date of that article, many serious rumours were in full swing about Murat and his friend Malinka. We might note that that weekend, Dr Gerald and Dr Kate McCann were discussing a possible visit to the Roman Catholic shrine at Fatima in Ourém. The 400 miles that Murat had driven would have enabled him to travel to Fatima and back. Or he could have reached Lisbon and back within the 400 miles, or even Huelva in Spain and back. Did someone want to meet him covertly and insist that he travelled in a hired car? Or did Murat need to meet someone?

One additional mystery is that Murat used his ex-wife's Norfolk address in Hockering, Norfolk, when he hired the Hyundai Getz, which he ‘needed in a hurry’ from Auto Rent. Why not give his local address or, if he wanted to give an English address, that of one of his sisters in Devon? The questions about Murat’s actions just seem to pile up.

The police then asked an important question in the interview. They wanted to know why he had apparently not madeany calls on his mobile ’phone between 3.00pm on Wednesday 2 May and late on the evening of Thursday 3 May. Murat couldn’t explain it except to say that he was ‘with Michaela most of the time and she was the person he most frequently ’phoned’. The significance of this is that the mobile ’phone records of Dr Gerald McCann showed that he switched off his mobile ’phone within six minutes of Murat doing so and switched it on again some 32 hours later again within six minutes of Murat doing likewise. It is a coincidence of timing that cries out for an explanation. One suggestion made is that they both used Pay-as-you-Go mobiles during this period, discarding them later.

We might note at this juncture the responses the two men gave as to whether they already knew each other. When reporter Sandra Felgueiras asked Dr Gerald McCann whether he already knew Robert Murat, Dr McCann hastily said: “I'm not going to comment on that” whilst his body language clearly showed that he was uneasy with the question. As one observer noted: “The absence of a firm denial makes the positive answer much more likely to be correct”.

Robert Murat's answer to a similar question was: “"I've never met the man before and the idea that I'd met him when he was campaigning for the Labour Party is laughable. I've been a Conservative all my life." (Daily Express, 14 September 2007).

Murat then went on to tell police that he’d never entered the apartment where Madeleine was, neither before nor since she disappeared.

The police now questioned Murat about other matters. The police had his landline and mobile ’phone records. They put to him the numbers held in his mobile ’phone and asked whom he’d been ringing. His answers, for the record and for anyone wanting to analyse his telephone records, are in Appendix 1. We are unsure whether they yield anything of significant interest.

He was asked if he knew someone who owned a boat. He said his uncle had a boat stored at the back of his home. Last year, when he worked for ‘Remax’, he had sold an apartment to a Snr I____ and he knows that he possesses a boat, but doesn’t know where this boat is, and never saw it. He only had a business relationship with Snr I____.

Murat added that he thought that a friend of Michaela’s husband Luis, called Steve, also had a boat, but he’d never seen it and wasn’t sure. Murat also noted that he knew Nelson P____, who was the son of Carlos P____, who had an ‘embarcaçiáo’, but Murat never saw it nor knew where it was kept. Asked if on the day Madeleine disappeared, or subsequently, he had been around the Marina or the port area, he said he had not.  

Murat was then shown a photograph by the police, and identified the man in the photo as a Romanian man that he knew who had done some gardening at his mother’s house. Murat had been seen talking to the Romanian after Madeleine disappeared, and said he’d been asking the Romanian if he could translate into Romanian an appeal for people to look for Madeleine.

I.  A summary of Murat’s 17 changes of story about what he did on 1, 2, 3 and 4 May

You may by now have lost count of the number of changes in Robert Murat’s story about what he was doing between 1 and 4 May, so here’s a convenient summary of his new account of events, and how these contradicted his earlier account of events:

1.     Remembers that on 1 May he tried to contact Jorge da Silva.

2.     Remembers that on 2 May he didn’t leave home at 10.30am but instead had a meeting with Sergei Malinka at the Batista Supermarket.

3.     He had in fact taken Michaela and Malinka back to his mother’s house in Praia da Luz for a further discussion, something he’d omitted to tell the police in the first interview.

4.     He now remembered visiting his bank and paying in 287.51 euros.

5.     He now remembered he’d called at the home of Francisco Pagarete, his lawyer, that morning.

6.     He now remembers that he had met Francisco Pagarete that afternoon.

7.     He now remembers that another of Jorge’s sons was present at their meeting in the café in the afternoon.

8.     The meeting in the café went on much longer than he had said previously.

9.     He thinks that Michaela Walczuk’s husband Luis Antonio may not have been present at Michaela’s house that evening, contrary to what he had previously said.

10.             On 3 May, he had not woken at 9.00am as previously stated, but at 8.00am.

11.             He had not driven to Michaela’s house that morning after 10.00am as previously stated; instead he had left home at 8.45am for a 9.30am meeting with the owner of the business tourist complex called ‘Gold Bunker’ in the Espiche district and her father-in-law.

12.             He now remembered that he and Michaela had visited two apartments for about 30 minutes, probably on the afternoon of 3 May.

13.             He and Michaela had lunch with the owner of the ‘Gold Bunker’ complex and her father-in-law, a fact he had not disclosed to police before.

14.             Michaela’s daughter C______ was not with them that day, contrary to his previous story.

15.             They went to the Palmares Golf Club in the afternoon, another fact Murat had failed to disclose.

16.             He now admitted to making two telephone calls, to Sergei Malinka and Michaela, at 11.39pm and 11.40pm that night.

17.             He previously said he had woken at 9.00am on Friday 4 May. He now admitted he had telephoned Michaela at 8.27am and must have got up earlier.

A possible interpretation of these changes of story could be along these lines; namely that during his first statement, Murat did not want to admit to:


·        meeting with Sergei Malinka at the Batista supermarket on 2 May at around 10.00am

·        he and Michaela being in the Espiche/Almádena area at around 9.30am on 3 May

·        his meeting with the owner of the ‘Gold Bunker’ complex

·        he, Michaela and the da Silvas being at the Palmares Golf Club on the afternoon of 3 May

·        that he had visited two apartments on the afternoon of 3 May.


We make no other comment on the large number of changes of story but leave the reader to form his or her own judgment as to why there were so many changes. We will however add this discussion by a poster on the ‘maddiecasefiles’ internet forum, who analysed these discrepancies in Murat’s account of those few days:

“Jorge Miguel Rocha da Silva tells us that even on the day Murat returned from Exeter (1 May), he tried to get in touch da Silva at the children’s clothing shop that he runs with his wife. He couldn’t, as it was a public holiday. On the following two days (2 & 3 May) he insisted that that da Silva meet him at short notice. A few days later, three days before Murat was made an arguido, Michaela Walczuk was still inviting him to get-togethers at her apartment.

“The official line from Murat is that he was talking to da Silva to persuade him to invest in his and Michaela’s venture: ‘Romigen’. Yet to this day, Romigen appears to be no more than a ‘shell’ company, just a paper idea for selling property via the internet. It doesn’t seem as though the company required any significant cash injection. And if we look at da Silva’s statements, if Murat had any intention of buying land to make money out of it, this was never made apparent to da Silva even after several hours of apparently unprofitable conversation - or rather, so it's been said, of long and puzzling silences.

“On his first full day back in Praia da Luz (2 May), Murat did manage to get in touch with da Silva at the shop. He took da Silva and his two sons to a café bar for the first round of talking. We know that Murat rang his lawyer no less than four times that day. In addition, in da Silva’s first statement to the PJ, he said that: “They did some talking in Mrs Murat’s VW Transporter”. He says rather vaguely that the discussion was ‘to develop some details of the intended business’.

“The following day (3 May), Murat, Michaela, Jorge da Silva and his sons met again for a long session on 3 May, at the Palmares Golf Club.
It is hard to understand from Jorge da Silva’s account what all these meetings were really about”.


So what could they have been about? Was the true content of these discussions being concealed?

We know that Murat came back to Portugal in apparent haste on 1 May.

His own account says that he booked his ticket on that very day. He seems to have booked his flight ticket at between midnight and 2.00am. His sister Samantha took him to the airport to catch the 7.00am flight. Murat must have been up and about at not long after 4.00am that morning to get up, travel by car to the airport and check in etc.

There seems to be, without doubt, a significant degree of urgency about Murat’s movements on 1 May. In his statement he said that he met only his mother (who fetched him from Faro airport) and Michaela that day, but since then we’ve learnt that he called at Jorge da Silva’s shop. Why did da Silva have these long discussions with Murat? Was it really just about Romigen?

Was his sudden early morning flight from Exeter to Praia da Luz just in order to get ‘Romigen’ moving, or to finalise his divorce as he claimed on another occasion? Did he really need to meet urgently with a top local lawyer for that reason?  Two years later, Romigen appears to be still only a ‘shell’ company, or at most a ‘front’ for something else.

 
[FROM A LONGER ARTICLE ABOUT ROBERT MURAT]


 

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Dr Martin Roberts: "The evidence is that these are the pjyamas Madeleine wore on holiday in Praia da Luz. They were photographed and the photo handed to a press agency, who released it on 8 May, as the search for Madeleine continued. The McCanns held up these same pyjamas at two press conferences on 5 & 7June 2007. How could Madeleine have been abducted?"

Amelie Mcann (aged 2): "Maddie's jammies!".  

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Post by tiny on 12.06.13 16:40

That's what I mean Tony,why would he lie and how has he got away with it.yes he certainly is dodgy
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Post by Tony Bennett on 12.06.13 17:00

@tiny wrote:That's what I mean Tony, why would he lie - and how has he got away with it? Yes he certainly is dodgy

I think anyone who considers that 'Robert Murat had nothing to do with Madeleine's disappearance' would need to take a very hard, long look at Murat's 17 lies, see what he eventually admitted to (but only when the police cornered him with evidence from his mobile 'phone records), and then wonder if Murat can be believed when he claimed that he gave the 'wrong' answers because he was 'tired'.

For that matter, can we really believe that Brian Kennedy flew out with McCann lawyer Edward Smethurst to meet Robert Murat and his lawyer Francisco Pagarete, on 13 November 2007, 'just to offer him a job helping to look for Madeleine' - as he claimed ...but only after news of this highly secret meeting leaked out in the Portuguese press.

And what was he doing talking to the chief suspect at the time anyway?

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Post by Praiaaa on 12.06.13 17:58

Cherry Blossom wrote:Meanwhile new claims have been made that Gerry McCann organised a game of tennis in the days after his daughter Madeleine disappeared. In an allegation likely to infuriate the McCanns, a waiter at the Ocean Club resort in Praia da Laz said Gerry and Kate were "very cool" after she vanished and seemed less upset than their friends. The waiter said: "What we found really strange was Gerry, days after the little girl disappeared, calmly playing tennis. He played with an old couple from England.
"I thought that everybody else in the group seemed more upset and stressed and bothered than the parents.
"They were so cool about it. I never saw them cry or anything. They played tennis and went jogging.
"They didn't seem as distraught as their friends. If my kid disappeared I'd go insane. I wouldn't be able to function. They'd have to lock me away


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-489408/Madeleines-DNA-Murats-house-police-claim.html#ixzz2W0dkv0q6

This bit is also interesting, tho' hardly surprising to most of us I suppose.
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Post by Praiaaa on 12.06.13 18:07

Extremely interesting that both Gerry and Murat had their phones switched off in the same 32 hours - in fact, astonishing! Until now, I had assumed that Murat had been dragged into this as a scapegoat after the fact, but does now look distinctly murkier... Is there any reference to this in GA's book? ( Which I try repeatedly to buy on Amazon, and just keep getting the suggestion hat I buy Donatie's instead...)
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Post by jd on 08.07.13 16:55

Russell James O'Brien Date: 2007.05.16


After this morning the witness saw Murat 3 more times, once on the morning of 4th May in the same street, rua Silva at about 12.00 in the company of police officers. About two days later he saw Murat at the OC reception at about 12.00/14.00. Robert was alone and walking towards the previously mentioned road. The witness says that he (ROB) was accompanied by Rachel. The last time he saw Robert was last Sunday, near to his house at about 20.30. At that moment the witness was with Jane.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RUSSELL-OBRIEN.htm


.Fiona Elaine Payne Date: 2007.05.16

She only came across him at around 23H30, next to the McCANN apartment, when he went there to offer his help in any way possible. She does not remember if anyone was with him at this time.
- That in the following days she saw him various times with numerous reporters who were in the locale.
- That she did not see him in any other place or situation.

Fiona PAYNE...THURSDAY10 APRIL 2008
01.08.59
1485
'Right. Oh I see. So when he told you, he was a Robert MURAT, and then you realised who he was later on from the''

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'When I realised, in fact, it was the day he was made, erm, brought in for questioning and we were watching SKY News, it was the afternoon in my apartment and Russell was in the apartment, and obviously, you know, again, we were all very shocked, there was any progress, who is this man, and he was on telly and it showed a picture and I was like 'Oh, is that the guy that was around on the night acting as translator', you know, 'with the squint', because you couldn't see in this picture, and Russell said 'Yeah, yeah, that's him', but I hadn't seen him at all in the days following, erm, you know, Madeleine's disappearance, that, that on the telly was the next time I'd seen him'.

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Russell James O'Brien Date: 2007.05.16....The last time he saw Robert was last Sunday, near to his house at about 20.30. At that moment the witness was with Jane.

Jane Tanner...Date of Interview: 08.04.08

4078    “Right.  And can you summarise what you did then, between the third and the seventeenth?”
Reply    “Yeah, I mean, it’s a bit like groundhog day really.  There was the interview on the day after and then, I can’t think it was that night they came back about two, well about half one, to pick me up again to go back to do the sketch, so I think that was the night of the fourth or it could have been the fifth, but I think it was the night of the fourth.  And then, erm, we did, I think I was re-interviewed again a week afterwards, actually on the Thursday a week afterwards, erm, and that was a long one, that was the one that sort of went into the middle of the night, so that was, yeah, that was the Thursday after that.  And then, I can’t remember exactly what day the surveillance was, but then there was the, the surveillance when, erm, they took me round the back of the van for the surveillance day and I think that was probably, maybe the Tuesday or the Monday of the week before we went back”.

4078    “Okay.  And can you just go on to tell me a bit more about that surveillance?”
Reply    “Yeah, erm, well I was actually talking to, I think it was the, it was some of the people that Kate and Gerry brought in, I was actually talking to them about what had happened at that point.  And Bob SMALL rang, erm, rang me on my phone and sort of said, well he scared the living daylights out of me, because rather than saying ‘The Portuguese Police want to talk to you’, or you know, ‘I want to pick you up to see the Portuguese Police’, he said ‘I need to pick you up and take you to see the Spanish Police but you can’t tell anybody not even Russell’ and all this, so it was sort of a bit and because he’d said Spanish Police, I thought there was some sort of a strange conspiracy going on, so it was like, oh, but, I mean, he just got”.

4078    “Got it wrong”.
Reply    “He just got mixed up.  But that made me even more suspicious because it was like, so I think at that point, I think I actually spoke to Stewart then, because I thought, I didn’t even know who Bob SMALL was at that point, so it was like, you know, and that, we were obviously worried about the Press and everything at that point, we thought it could be anybody, you know, trying to ring, and at that point I thought it could even be the person I saw ringing.  So, erm, we, erm, so, yeah, and I did tell Russell where I was going, because I thought ‘I’m not just going and getting in a car with somebody who is taking me to see the Spanish Police’.  So Russell, we walked, so I arranged to meet Bob SMALL in a car park at half seven or something at night or whatever it was, so Russell and I walked up to, erm, to meet Bob SMALL and, by chance, erm, we walked up, we’d missed the throng of Press that were at the top of the road, we actually walked up by Robert MURAT’s house and he came down in his car, in his van at that point, stopped, and he knew Russ, he’d met Russell earlier in the week, so he actually jumped out to say ‘Hi’ to Russell and he was showing us, erm, things in the back of his car as to what he was doing with the, erm, because they’d set up a stop where people could come and give their own evidence”.

4078    “Yeah, I can remember that”.
Reply    “So he’d actually jumped out and I’d never, I’d never, I hadn’t met him at this point, so I didn’t really know who he was and I wasn’t really taking it in because I was worried sick I was about to be abducted by the people”.

4078    “By the Spanish Police?”
Reply    “And taken to the Spanish Police, so I was a bit sort of like, you know.  Erm, and so we stopped to talk, that was probably a couple of minutes, and he was trying to show us all this stuff, but I was, at that point, I was thinking ‘Oh shut-up I need to go and meet Bob SMALL’”.

4078    “Do you remember his car?”
Reply    “It was the green, it was the green, I think it’s a green PASSAT, he was in a green, it’s the one that had been used for the, erm, post, the what’s it, you know, the anonymous information post where people could, because that’s what he was showing us, he was actually showing.  And I remember thinking at the time ‘He’s very keen to show us’, you know, ‘show us what he was doing’, but, you know, we thought ‘Oh great’, but.  So we then carried on and I met Bob SMALL and Russell wrote down the number plate of the car just in case I was taken away.  And, erm, then Bob drove me up to where, erm, the rest of the team were to do the surveillance.  Erm, so I went off in the back of this like refrigerated, well it was pretending to be a refrigerated, erm, van and took it round to the point on the road and obviously, in hindsight now, I realise they were probably calling Robert MURAT to try and get him to walk across, across the top of the road so that, you know, I could see.  But it was a bit odd because there was a car, where we were parked there was a car that moved just at that point that he appeared and then two other people walked by, so I didn’t really, but I didn’t even recognise it as the person I’d been talking to five minutes before, well, you know, half an hour before, so.  Erm, and then, erm, then went, I think because it has gone a bit wrong because this car had been there and then tried to set it up elsewhere, but again I couldn’t really see, I couldn’t really see that well and, you know, it didn’t look, it didn’t jog, jog any memories”.

4078    “Now you are left with that mental image in your head about the man carrying the child”.
Reply    “Umm”.

4078    “And you said, you described his hair quite well.  Having seen MURAT then and obviously in the papers since, could you link the two of those?”
Reply    “I don’t think so.  I mean, I don’t, phew, I don’t, I don’t think it, no, there doesn’t, there’s no, but then the person I see in the paper doesn’t really look like my recollection of the person I met on the way to meet Bob SMALL.  It’s really annoying because normally I would have probably taken more notice but I was so worried about what I was going to do, because I didn’t know at this point at all, I didn’t really take any notice, but I think it was too short and I remember it being, being long into the neck and not so.  Again, I don’t really, when I saw Robert MURAT outside his house he looked quite little to me, but then when you see him on the telly he seems quite bit, so I can’t, again, I don’t think the build, the build was right, I don’t”.

4078    “So you don’t feel, in your heart of hearts”.
Reply    “No”.

4078    “You don’t feel it was the same person?”
Reply    “No, I don’t, no”.

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Post by sallypelt on 08.07.13 17:56

Murat is a liar imo. Why so many have support him is beyond me. Take this, for example:

He has since formed a relationship with a thirty-something German property saleswoman, Michaela Walczuch, who lives with her husband in nearby Lagos.

They have been described as lovers, but Murat denies this. "She's my partner, and we are very, very, very close - but she's not my girlfriend because she can't be. She's a Jehovah's Witness and she's still married. I'm not a Witness, but I attend study classes


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-459316/Madeleine-Is-Robert-Murat-suspect-scapegoat.html

My question is, WHAT CHANGED?
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Post by Sceneset on 08.07.13 21:29

Brian Kennedy ( double glazing magnet) was a Jehovah's  Witness. There have been large scale cover ups of child abuse within that organisation.Maybe worth finding out if many at PDL were Jehovah's Witnesses.
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Post by jd on 08.07.13 22:04

@sallypelt wrote:Murat is a liar imo. Why so many have support him is beyond me. Take this, for example:

He has since formed a relationship with a thirty-something German property saleswoman, Michaela Walczuch, who lives with her husband in nearby Lagos.

They have been described as lovers, but Murat denies this. "She's my partner, and we are very, very, very close - but she's not my girlfriend because she can't be. She's a Jehovah's Witness and she's still married. I'm not a Witness, but I attend study classes


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-459316/Madeleine-Is-Robert-Murat-suspect-scapegoat.html

My question is, WHAT CHANGED?

I've always been curious why jane tanner and russell o'brien are mostly referred to as 'partners'...not husband and wife

e.g. from o'briens statements

Apart from his partner, he is on holiday with their children **** O'Brien, aged three years and **** O'Brien aged one year. He works as a doctor. He is a colleague of (Gerry) McCann, having worked together for six months. His partner became pregnant around the same time as Gerry's wife.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RUSSELL-OBRIEN.htm

We have:
kate & gerry mccann
david and fiona payne
matt & rachael oldfield
But....janner tanner & russel o'brien...makes sense of the creche records with Ella i.e. the fake couple?


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Post by Guest on 08.07.13 22:23

JD, Jane Tanner (or Janner Tanner!) and Russell O'Brien weren't - and still aren't as far as I know - actually married, hence the use of the word partner.

As for Robert Murat, oh to be a fly on the wall at his house......about as believable as the Tapas mob, in my opinion.
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Post by marconi on 08.07.13 22:27

Why doing this to Robert Murat? I am convinced that he is innocent.
There was no sign of a cadaver in his home, neither in his car.
Why don't we all wait for the Yard's conclusion?
If Murat was involved in the crime, O'Brian, Rachel and Fiona wold never have reconized him.  It would have endengered Tapas 9.
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Post by jd on 08.07.13 22:40

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:JD, Jane Tanner (or Janner Tanner!) and Russell O'Brien weren't - and still aren't as far as I know - actually married, hence the use of the word partner.

As for Robert Murat, oh to be a fly on the wall at his house......about as believable as the Tapas mob, in my opinion.

But at times they are referred to as being married...

Witness statement of Russell James O'Brien

He remembers that, in September of 2005, three couples, excluding the deponent and his wife, went on holiday to Mallorca and that they did not accompany them as Jane tanner was in the final stages of pregnancy.

- He made note of the activities on the 3rd of May p.p.. This note consists of all the facts presented, of his activities and those of the group. They are in accordance with the version already represented by his wife, Jane Tanner.

As the menu was always the same, the group already knew what plates made up the menu, for this reason the deponent told his wife what he wanted, and that she place the order, while he tried to put Evie down.

When asked, he says that according to his wife Jane, she did not see Murat on the night of the events as she had spent most of the time looking after her children.


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Post by Guest on 08.07.13 22:45

I think that's just people making assumptions that they are; the same goes for Jes Wilkins and Bridget O'Donnell. 

Marconi (or your alter-ego Macaroni!) I did hope to post a link to a good article about Robert Murat and the discrepancies with his statements but the website on which it appears is down at present.
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Post by marconi on 08.07.13 22:59

Anybody  here suggesting that Madeleine's death was already known on May the 1st?  premeditated?

What a terrible thing to be said!  Murrat lived in Praia da Luz, it was his home, he could go back at any time he wanted.

And who could guarantee that the PJ would not find an official translator in Lagos, Luz or somewhere Portimão?

Maybe he can make up stories, making them interesting, but it does not mean he is involved in a murder.

He got scared when the police started suspecting him and who wouldn't?

Perhaps he wanted to feel important, as a translator, being on the news, being useful to the Tapas.
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Post by jd on 08.07.13 23:31

I think it was April 30th...the day nobody talks about.... the night robert murat made his emergency booking to fly back to PDL for a few hours later for 'business' which he clearly did not attend to...

It wasn't assumptions that they were married.....This was in the statement of russell of brien where he starts off referring to jane tanner as his partner but later his wife

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Post by Guest on 09.07.13 20:13

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:
Marconi (or your alter-ego Macaroni!) I did hope to post a link to a good article about Robert Murat and the discrepancies with his statements but the website on which it appears is down at present.
 
www.madeleinefoundation.org.uk/

The site is now back. Go to the Articles section and there, amongst other reports, is a six parter about Robert Murat.
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Post by tigger on 10.07.13 7:26

Came across this in McCannfiles:


McCanns after Murat Jornal de Notícias
3/5/08
(Thanks to 'Li' from the3arguidos forum for translation)

The McCanns look for answers in Robert Murat, they are convinced of his involvement in the disappearance of their daughter. The multimillionaire that supports the expenses with lawyers and the private detectives of the Spanish agency "Método 3" went on purpose to Algarve to get to know the British man.

Brian Kennedy offered to help him, although he was unable to explain how. Why? Why does he believe that Robert or his mother Jennifer might have seen someone on the night of 3rd of May in the area of the Ocean Club. He was prepared to pay to the best technicians to draw a photofit of a possible suspect. Saying one thing and then saying another he ended to say that Kate and Gerry believe that he is innocent and they never came publicly to accuse him but he insisted that Murat might remember some important detail to help them find Madeleine.

The JN knows that Murat did not accept the help of the multimillionaire. On the contrary he was upset with the questions that were made and with the insistence of the multimillionaire that wanted him to remember the night of the disappearance, when Murat always said that he spent the night in his mother's house, Jennifer, in Praia da Luz.

The meeting - a dinner that Brian Kennedy asked to be discreet and far away from the eyes of the press - took place in the end of last year at a house of Murat's relatives in Burgau (Vila do Bispo). At the dinner were present Murat and Kennedy, the respective lawyers, Jennifer Murat and the aunt and uncle of Murat.

After dinner was Brian Kennedy that finished the conversation. He could not explain why three friends of the couple, belonging to the group "Tapas 7" came publicly saying that they saw Robert Murat in the area of the Ocean Club in the night of 3 of May and he (Kennedy) ended to enter in contradiction.

Francisco Pagarete does not confirm this meeting but the JN knows that the PJ is aware and that they monitored the steps of Kennedy and the detectives of Método 3 very closely. According to the lawyer one year after the disappearance of Maddie, Murat "still does not understand how his name was involved in the case". "Everything is very strange" says the lawyer regretting that " a person was involved in this story without having nothing to do with it".

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Vila do Bispo, wasn't that Gerry's first stop after he came back from his US trip?

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Post by bobbin on 10.07.13 8:31

@tigger wrote:Came across this in McCannfiles:


McCanns after Murat Jornal de Notícias
3/5/08
(Thanks to 'Li' from the3arguidos forum for translation)

The McCanns look for answers in Robert Murat, they are convinced of his involvement in the disappearance of their daughter. The multimillionaire that supports the expenses with lawyers and the private detectives of the Spanish agency "Método 3" went on purpose to Algarve to get to know the British man.

Brian Kennedy offered to help him, although he was unable to explain how. Why? Why does he believe that Robert or his mother Jennifer might have seen someone on the night of 3rd of May in the area of the Ocean Club. He was prepared to pay to the best technicians to draw a photofit of a possible suspect. Saying one thing and then saying another he ended to say that Kate and Gerry believe that he is innocent and they never came publicly to accuse him but he insisted that Murat might remember some important detail to help them find Madeleine.

The JN knows that Murat did not accept the help of the multimillionaire. On the contrary he was upset with the questions that were made and with the insistence of the multimillionaire that wanted him to remember the night of the disappearance, when Murat always said that he spent the night in his mother's house, Jennifer, in Praia da Luz.

The meeting - a dinner that Brian Kennedy asked to be discreet and far away from the eyes of the press - took place in the end of last year at a house of Murat's relatives in Burgau (Vila do Bispo). At the dinner were present Murat and Kennedy, the respective lawyers, Jennifer Murat and the aunt and uncle of Murat.

After dinner was Brian Kennedy that finished the conversation. He could not explain why three friends of the couple, belonging to the group "Tapas 7" came publicly saying that they saw Robert Murat in the area of the Ocean Club in the night of 3 of May and he (Kennedy) ended to enter in contradiction.

Francisco Pagarete does not confirm this meeting but the JN knows that the PJ is aware and that they monitored the steps of Kennedy and the detectives of Método 3 very closely. According to the lawyer one year after the disappearance of Maddie, Murat "still does not understand how his name was involved in the case". "Everything is very strange" says the lawyer regretting that " a person was involved in this story without having nothing to do with it".

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Vila do Bispo, wasn't that Gerry's first stop after he came back from his US trip?
Yes, I recall reading that he made a detour, which appeared a bit strange and without explanation or reason.
How do the dates for the Murat meeting and Gerry's return tally. If they don't tally, who would have been in the house at Vila do Bospo that Gerry would want to 'see' 'report to'?
How did he know anyone in Vila do Bospo that would merit a diversion rather than going straight to see his wife and twins after an exhausting visit and flights to USA, given that K and G weren't supposed to have any acquaintances in Portugal.
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Post by tigger on 10.07.13 9:09

Here is HideHo's video - from about 6.10 it's about Gerry's returning around 16.40 from the US. Overshooting PdL and driving to Vila do Bispo - it hadn't registered with me that there is a Murat connection.

Complete with phone pings and a drive through the area. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWkrLLLX7cY

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