chris spivey

Dr Russell O’Brien’s son Rob, is friends on facebook with all of the Murats, including those who live in France.

I didn't know that Russell O'Brien had a son called Rob.

Can anyone shed any light on this?

This information comes from Stephen Birch so is unlikely to be true! I've certainly never heard of a presumably teenage or adult son from a previous relationship.

Just realized that if the below was confirmed by Kates dad ....

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'Twenty
five days after Madeleine went missing, hair and body fluid removed off
Madeleine’s corpse was planted in the Renault hired by the McCann’s.
This was later confirmed by Brian Healey, Kate McCann’s father. The
planting of this DNA by Portuguese Police is the single most important
reason the case was closed 15 months after it was opened.' unquote



Why are they still looking for a living Maddie ???

Lance De Boils wrote:

Dr Russell O’Brien’s son Rob, is friends on facebook with all of the Murats, including those who live in France.

I didn't know that Russell O'Brien had a son called Rob.

Can anyone shed any light on this?

As far as I know, he doesn't have a child older than ten as Maddie was the oldest child on that fateful holiday.

Managed to get just after the half way mark on the very long blog post and will return to read the rest later.

It does raise some interesting things to chew over once again, regardless of what Spephen Birch or Chris Spivey have been chatting about.

It makes no sense whatsoever to suggest Madeleine was buried by anyone on the Murat property for the following reasons:

Mrs Murat was in the house and probably was for the majority of the time.
The dogs detected nothing and the land was turned over
Robert put himself forward to help as did his mother
There was no time in the dark to do this undetected and it was too close IMO

There are stacks of other reasons, but all in all it's a cr@p idea, so listing them is a waste of time .

BUT

The Tapas wanted to finger Murat from the off, and I do feel that there was a prior link to or knowledge of Robert from one of the Tapas.

Malinka's car being torched and FALA sprayed on the pavement has always bugged me.

Murat DOES want to say something, but at this moment, for some reason he just can't. IMO someone has to say/do something first, thus providing the CORRECT opportunity, a lead if you like, for Robert to say what he needs to say.

The McCanns have always maintained that they are doing everything to find Madeleine yet have not seemingly been remotely interested in any sighting, have not asked for the drive to be dug and won't do a reconstruction.

Robert Murat may have seen or heard something about the two witness statements which, given that he had been made arguido and been visited by Kennedy cannot freely divulge. He's also had his fair sure of negative publicity and legal encounters as a result of the whole incident, and those around him were dragged into the mire too. He has a daughter to think of, and IMO he's not going to act too rashly.

It's like a stalemate situation between the McCanns and Murat, a sort of Mexican standoff. The recent newspaper article was a bit of a dig to try and get some movement I think. A sixth year of sofa-lurve with Lorraine and the same old script is probably too much to bear.

The thing to work out seems to be, not whether Mr Birch and his MagicMower Detecting Widgit are in anyway credible, but just WHO is/was using/paying him to try and break this stalemate? Someone wanted the Police and/or the McCanns to take the bait, but it has failed.

Someone is playing a game to get someone to squeal but it hasn't worked just yet.

Smokeandmirrors wrote:

Malinka's car being torched and FALA sprayed on the pavement has always bugged me.

When I saw that I had the same idea but then I read that he had cars torched before and prior to Madeleine's case.
Avwry says the same in this post https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t1685-sergey-malinka-took-pictures-of-madeleine-mccann-on-the-beach and I'm sorry I can't find the source of that information but I know I've seen it somewhere.

Ayniia wrote:

Smokeandmirrors wrote:

Malinka's car being torched and FALA sprayed on the pavement has always bugged me.

When I saw that I had the same idea but then I read that he had cars torched before and prior to Madeleine's case.
Avwry says the same in this post https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t1685-sergey-malinka-took-pictures-of-madeleine-mccann-on-the-beach and I'm sorry I can't find the source of that information but I know I've seen it somewhere.

Yes I recall another torching, but I'm sure it was quite some time after the FALA torching. It's the "FALA" - Malinka could well be a generally dodgy so and so with many enemies, or the FALA could relate to the case. If it does, then it would explain a lot of things.

Smokeandmirrors wrote:

Ayniia wrote:

Smokeandmirrors wrote:

Malinka's car being torched and FALA sprayed on the pavement has always bugged me.

When I saw that I had the same idea but then I read that he had cars torched before and prior to Madeleine's case.
Avwry says the same in this post https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t1685-sergey-malinka-took-pictures-of-madeleine-mccann-on-the-beach and I'm sorry I can't find the source of that information but I know I've seen it somewhere.

Yes I recall another torching, but I'm sure it was quite some time after the FALA torching. It's the "FALA" - Malinka could well be a generally dodgy so and so with many enemies, or the FALA could relate to the case. If it does, then it would explain a lot of things.

But if someone knows that Malinka knows something about the case and goes to the lenghts of torching his car that way, that person has to know something too right? IMO Murat would be a "better target". So the person who burned the car knows something,why not tell the police?

tigger wrote:Extract:

'Twenty five days after Madeleine went missing, hair and body fluid removed off Madeleine’s corpse was planted in the Renault hired by the McCann’s. This was later confirmed by Brian Healey, Kate McCann’s father. The planting of this DNA by Portuguese Police is the single most important reason the case was closed 15 months after it was opened.' unquote

Case solved , we can all go home now.

As for those six experts, I'd like to see their reports and their names and qualifications.
There is no proof whatsoever that the GPR output is from Murat's backyard. No need to leave SA in order to produce such a 'result'.

So getting this straight: the PJ found the corpse in Murat's garden, took the DNA off it, contaminated Kate's pants and cuddlecat, planted the hair and DNA in the car and 5a and then managed a month or so later to prevent the CSI dogs from alerting to a corpse when they searched the garden. Somehow Brian Healy found out and told - well certainly Stephen Birch. Some six years later.

Errm, case isn't closed, it's shelved - can be re-opened any time.

that's all the air time you're going to get from me mr. B. for B.......

I thought those bounty hunters went off screen together with Rawhide and Bonanza!

Ayniia wrote:

Smokeandmirrors wrote:

Ayniia wrote:

Smokeandmirrors wrote:

Malinka's car being torched and FALA sprayed on the pavement has always bugged me.

When I saw that I had the same idea but then I read that he had cars torched before and prior to Madeleine's case.
Avwry says the same in this post https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t1685-sergey-malinka-took-pictures-of-madeleine-mccann-on-the-beach and I'm sorry I can't find the source of that information but I know I've seen it somewhere.

Yes I recall another torching, but I'm sure it was quite some time after the FALA torching. It's the "FALA" - Malinka could well be a generally dodgy so and so with many enemies, or the FALA could relate to the case. If it does, then it would explain a lot of things.

But if someone knows that Malinka knows something about the case and goes to the lenghts of torching his car that way, that person has to know something too right? IMO Murat would be a "better target". So the person who burned the car knows something,why not tell the police?

Murat would be too obvious, and I imagine he has some decent connections as his father's side was pretty wealthy. There were a number of well connected people popping up at the beginning, many surprising connections. British consular activity, the worlds press etc, people flying in from all over the place like it was some international crisis ( ), Malinka bing a computer spiv with pervy rumours abounding…..it'd be libellous to say more!! But you get the drift.

Yes I get what you mean
But still, I think that if the torch incident came from "we know who" it would've been way more publicized at least in the UK.
So either has no connection to Madeleine case,or someone knows something and it's not talking either. That happened a while ago and still no developments,no one talking... IMO as Murat had things he felt the need to hide (about his relationship with Michaela,being married and so on...) I believe maybe Malinka had too,but not directly connected with this case. Many things come to my mind but as you just said : "it'd be libellous to say more"

The thing is, with what was leaked into the press, what is in the published portion of the PJ files there are still going to be potentially big gaps. There was about 33% of the files kept out of the public domain, and the most important bits are still unknowns. There were definitely a few strange movements of people flying out of the resort very fast in the immediate aftermath, not just according to planned schedules if I understand correctly, but leaving earlier than planned. I'm not very informed on this part but a lot of examination of the PJ files by others some time ago identified a few shocking anomalies. Makes you wonder why they scarpered, obviously very distressing when the father is running around shouting about paedophiles immediately.

Smokeandmirrors wrote:. There were definitely a few strange movements of people flying out of the resort very fast in the immediate aftermath, not just according to planned schedules if I understand correctly, but leaving earlier than planned. I'm not very informed on this part but a lot of examination of the PJ files by others some time ago identified a few shocking anomalies.

Yes I was reading about that yesterday,very strange and the deeper you go,the stranger it gets
And back to topic,I don't believe the body is in Murat's garden, seems nonsense. Stephen's theory seemed credible to me until he said : "Twenty five days after Madeleine went missing, hair and body
fluid removed off Madeleine’s corpse was planted in the Renault hired
by the McCann’s. This was later confirmed by Brian Healey, Kate McCann’s
father. The planting of this DNA by Portuguese Police is the single
most important reason the case was closed 15 months after it was opened."

I see people pointed this out before in the topic but...this is a very serious accusation! Plus the fact that contradicts the fact that the Mccanns are being "protected". So someone's trying to frame Murat and the PJ finds out and knows the body is in the garden but goes there, get samples and plant them in the Mccanns car? Sorry Mr Birch but

The site went down in the middle of my reading it.
I do think there was a concerted effort to frame Murat.
The theory that the Portuguese knew where the body was yet wanted the mccanns to hang themselves is an interesting one.

Does anyone know what possessed Kate's father to make a statement re the DNA coverup?
I don't believe the Portuguese police did attempt a set up in that manner.
Is there any more theory on what the retained statements might contain?
Thanks.

loopzdaloop wrote:The site went down in the middle of my reading it.
I do think there was a concerted effort to frame Murat.
The theory that the Portuguese knew where the body was yet wanted the mccanns to hang themselves is an interesting one.

Does anyone know what possessed Kate's father to make a statement re the DNA coverup?
I don't believe the Portuguese police did attempt a set up in that manner.
Is there any more theory on what the retained statements might contain?
Thanks.

I still don't buy it. Body would mean autopsy. Autopsy would mean know the cause of death. That would "hang" them. IMO the PJ had no motive to try and frame the Mccans ,to take Murat out the hook. They did in fact made him arguido first. And for instance,the incident of the PJ not asking for Maddie's clothes early due to the concerns of the ambassador that it would look bad. The PJ could just say: no way,we want them. Of course it could still not be allowed from "higher instances" as it was the request to tap the Tapas9 mobiles. I understand it's a nice theory but still doesn't make sense.

loopzdaloop wrote:The site went down in the middle of my reading it.
I do think there was a concerted effort to frame Murat.
The theory that the Portuguese knew where the body was yet wanted the mccanns to hang themselves is an interesting one.

Does anyone know what possessed Kate's father to make a statement re the DNA coverup?
I don't believe the Portuguese police did attempt a set up in that manner.
Is there any more theory on what the retained statements might contain?
Thanks.

I'd like to see proof and reference of that statement of Brian Healy. It's the first I've ever heard it and imo it's false. The Healy's have been rather quiet compared to the McCann clan.

Spivey and Birch are a pair of con artists imo. Spivey - if that's his real name it's particularly apt.

I wouldn't be surprised if this whole Birch/Spivey story is a concerted effort from the 'other side.'

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=53539 is worth a read and worth saving.

tigger wrote: [...]

I'd like to see proof and reference of that statement of Brian Healy. It's the first I've ever heard it and imo it's false. The Healy's have been rather quiet compared to the McCann clan.

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I can remember having seen Brian Healy in some video, saying something of the kind, but I haven found it again yet. Meanwhile I stumbled upon this one again [November 2007]:

Mrs Healy, 61, has also repeated her concerns that efforts are being made to frame her daughter. "I'm worried that evidence is being planted," she said.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-495012/Kate-McCanns-mother-I-understand-children-left-alone.html#ixzz2T3w4Wxrn

GRACEFUL1 wrote:I
agree with you Tigger invented by the Mccann team to throw a spanner of
confusion (which they're good at) amongst the known
facts to discredit the dogs findings in the apartment, kate's clothing
and the car - once they eliminate that real proven evidence they feel they
are untouchable.

Yes, and Spivey says that Brian Healy confirmed this. How can he do that without proof?
So that time - which I didn't know - thanks Chatelaine, both the Healys did a McCann. Being the mouthpiece for the fragrant pair.

I don't like the smell of the whole Spivey article, too well organised, too well spiked with deliberate misinformation.

Mrs Healy on planting evidence again:

Mrs Healy said: "If the forensic results are right and there's some DNA that links
Madeleine to the hire car - bearing in mind the car was hired several weeks
after she disappeared - that evidence must have been planted. There is no other
explanation.

"But it's very difficult to prove if someone has planted evidence. It's almost like Kate has been put in a position where she's guilty and she's got to prove she's innocent."


http://www.thefreelibrary.com/How+can+they+think+Kate+is+a+suspect%3F+Kate+McCann%27s+shattered+parents...-a0168462889

September 2007:

The family and friends of Kate and Gerry McCann described suggestions that they could have anything to do with their daughter's disappearance as a "ludicrous, insulting farce".


Mrs McCann's mother, Susan Healy, said in Liverpool: "This is a set-up. Maddie is Kate and Gerry's world. They would never do anything to harm her.


"If there is any evidence to implicate Kate and Gerry in any way then it has been planted.



Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-480635/Kates-shocked-family-friends-This-set-up.html#ixzz2T42toxy3

Brilliant detecting - straight from the horses mouth - so to speak!

I don't believe for a millisecond that Brian Healy ever said that - it can only be a misquote of his wife's comment that any evidence would have been planted.

It's impossible to take anything that Stephen Birch says seriously - mind you he's certainly not the only one you can't believe.

I like the mysterious son of Russell O'Brien he's invented!

Well, he DID say that, NFWTD in a Sky News interview he gave September 7, 2007, outside his house. The video is no longer available [surprise ...], but I found a transcript [published by Bren Ryan ]

Snippet:

Brian Healy: “The thing is Kate and Gerry are not involved and the stuff must have been planted there, you know the DNA is there, its just unbelievable.”

ETA But this is only proof that he's said it, of course. Nothing more.

BTW underlining of DNA is mine.

[quote="Ayniia"]
Yes I was reading about that yesterday,very strange and the deeper you go,the stranger it gets
And back to topic,I don't believe the body is in Murat's garden, seems nonsense. Stephen's theory seemed credible to me until he said : "Twenty five days after Madeleine went missing, hair and body
fluid removed off Madeleine’s corpse was planted in the Renault hired
by the McCann’s. This was later confirmed by Brian Healey, Kate McCann’s
father. The planting of this DNA by Portuguese Police is the single
most important reason the case was closed 15 months after it was opened." (quote]#

The barking mad theory (25 days after....) comes from the creative mind of Stephen Birch in 2012. He reckons that the police found the body, took samples to incriminate the McCanns and then left it where they found it......

I take Brian Healy's comment in 2007 to refer generally to the various DNA evidence that was found in the apartment and elsewhere; it could not have been aimed at this particular bizarre claim.

Enough disinformation intentionally added to this long and winding tale leads to false or inaccurate information being spread deliberately amongst known facts. For this reason, it is synonymous with and sometimes called black propaganda. It is an act of deception and false statements to convince someone of untruth - according to Wikipedia.

Thanks for the link re the actual quote.
I do not believe he was actually suggesting a conspiracy on the side ofvthecpolice.
What I feel he was actually doing is grasping at straws to explain away the findings to protect himself from further grief, as it must be terrible enough for him to lose a grandchild, let alone entertaining the thought that his daughter has a greater awareness of what happened.

Whatvaboutvgerrybbeing friends with 'Rastaman' and rastamans statement being withheld?

Châtelaine wrote:Well, he DID say that, NFWTD in a Sky News interview he gave September 7, 2007, outside his house. The video is no longer available [surprise ...], but I found a transcript [published by Bren Ryan ]

Snippet:

Brian Healy: “The thing is Kate and Gerry are not involved and the stuff must have been planted there, you know the DNA is there, its just unbelievable.”

ETA But this is only proof that he's said it, of course. Nothing more.

BTW underlining of DNA is mine.

Thanks. That just illustrates how Spivey et al manipulate the truth.
At this moment in time, leaving aside the lying under oath at Leveson re 'there were no body fluids in the car', we have an admission that the DNA is there, at the time the Healy's gave their opinion. The planted evidence story gave way to rotting meat and dirty nappies and as late as one of the Swedish interviews last year Gerry admitted of course Maddie's DNA was in the car because our DNA was in it as well and it was all mixed up (not litt. transcript).
The smartie aproach to DNA as I like to call it, forgetting all about the very individual alleles that distinguish one sibling from another.

So: NO 'confirmation' from Mr. Healy at all, a second hand explanation for the admission that DNA was present.

No confirmation at all, indeed.

Wasn't it Clarence who said any evidence found had an innocent explanation, no mention, as far as i am aware, from his lips that the evidence was planted.