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Re: Could Maddie be in the garden of Casa Liliana?
Jean wrote:I wasn't suggesting that SB is anyone on JATYK2, Newintown.
Does anybody else think he could be?
He's always seemed very evasive and doesn't come up with the goods like he keeps promising, except for the small article that was posted here a day or two ago, but then anyone could write an article like that and send it to a newspaper. It doesn't mean it's true.
I saw the shocking post last night. If he was a professional businessman with a high profile name, with loads of money as he keeps trying to impress on us, and that post was written by someone else in his name I think he would be spitting feathers by now. He seems to have kept very quiet, although he was on line this morning as you mentioned in your post.
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Re: Could Maddie be in the garden of Casa Liliana?
Jean wrote:I wasn't suggesting that SB is anyone on JATYK2, Newintown.
Does anybody else think he could be?
No the Stephen Birch on this forum is the real one.
That forum does seem to have only a few members on it, I had another look and I'm away to wash my eyes out with bleach
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Re: Could Maddie be in the garden of Casa Liliana?
I was hoping this thread would just discuss the possibilities of SB`s theory without him getting involved under his real name, but rather than sticking to posting on the old thread, he has posted on this thread. I`m now assuming either there are 2 people or SB is getting false information. He says he has to be cautious about what he says, but the statement he`s made is very inflamatory and I`m surprised he did that. But I`m still preferring to wait and see.
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Re: Could Maddie be in the garden of Casa Liliana?
Jean wrote:I think that SB has lost all credibility that he ever had - some would say that he had none from the start - and it will be interesting to see if he makes any further comments.
Judging by the wildly different styles of "writing" in his posts - particularly when he used the name Leachate - I think we are dealing with more than one person.
Really don't understand all the excitement on Birch's comment regarding GA. Did NO ONE of you ever listened to his last interview given to South Africa radio some four weeks ago???
There he clearly stated that GA allegedly planted evidence in the hired car. Found it quite interesting and to some extent plausible at that time, not necessarly the part about Mr A though.
Hope not to be too rude, but to me, being a foreigner as well, it seems that people on this forum worry too much about spelling, social classes, financial backings, etc.
I simply guess that a dig is necessary before we can make up our minds and judge people. If he was a pro-MC, THEY would have been happy enough to "make" something out of this whole story over the past months. However, he has been struggeling to find an open ear since July, so I can, to some extent understand that he is frustrated and furious and maybe simply had a glass too much about realising that people only speak about his typos.
What can be wrong about digging? Please feel free to comment.
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Re: Could Maddie be in the garden of Casa Liliana?
buscadora Matilda wrote:Jean wrote:I think that SB has lost all credibility that he ever had - some would say that he had none from the start - and it will be interesting to see if he makes any further comments.
Judging by the wildly different styles of "writing" in his posts - particularly when he used the name Leachate - I think we are dealing with more than one person.
Really don't understand all the excitement on Birch's comment regarding GA. Did NO ONE of you ever listened to his last interview given to South Africa radio some four weeks ago???
There he clearly stated that GA allegedly planted evidence in the hired car. Found it quite interesting and to some extent plausible at that time, not necessarly the part about Mr A though.
Hope not to be too rude, but to me, being a foreigner as well, it seems that people on this forum worry too much about spelling, social classes, financial backings, etc.
I simply guess that a dig is necessary before we can make up our minds and judge people. If he was a pro-MC, THEY would have been happy enough to "make" something out of this whole story over the past months. However, he has been struggeling to find an open ear since July, so I can, to some extent understand that he is frustrated and furious and maybe simply had a glass too much about realising that people only speak about his typos.
What can be wrong about digging? Please feel free to comment.
Thank you. It's extremely generous of you to allow comment.
SB is a charlatan, there is no body in Murat's garden and I have already explained the impossibility of doing a GPR survey under the circumstances SB described.
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Re: Could Maddie be in the garden of Casa Liliana?
buscadora Matilda wrote:Jean wrote:I think that SB has lost all credibility that he ever had - some would say that he had none from the start - and it will be interesting to see if he makes any further comments.
Judging by the wildly different styles of "writing" in his posts - particularly when he used the name Leachate - I think we are dealing with more than one person.
Really don't understand all the excitement on Birch's comment regarding GA. Did NO ONE of you ever listened to his last interview given to South Africa radio some four weeks ago???
There he clearly stated that GA allegedly planted evidence in the hired car. Found it quite interesting and to some extent plausible at that time, not necessarly the part about Mr A though.
Hope not to be too rude, but to me, being a foreigner as well, it seems that people on this forum worry too much about spelling, social classes, financial backings, etc.
I simply guess that a dig is necessary before we can make up our minds and judge people. If he was a pro-MC, THEY would have been happy enough to "make" something out of this whole story over the past months. However, he has been struggeling to find an open ear since July, so I can, to some extent understand that he is frustrated and furious and maybe simply had a glass too much about realising that people only speak about his typos.
What can be wrong about digging? Please feel free to comment.
New Zeland wine perhaps ?
I don't recall anybody saying there was someting wrong with digging, just that it was not practical given the legal constraints.
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I am going to say it again, and if I am right and Madeleine Mc Cann is buried in the Murat garden, then I am correct that she was buried on the 3rd May 2007, and the DNA evidence was planted in the Mc Cann vehicle, hired 25 days after MADELEINE went missing. I also believe then, that the possibilty exists, that the DNA evidence was planted by Portuguese Police with the possible knowledge of Mr Goncarlo Amaral.(A desperate action to convict the Mc Cann's) As a result Mr Amaral was removed from the case.(political embarrassement, MI5 got to find out) If Madeleine is in the Murat garden, given the press presence in Praia da luz at the time, it would of been then impossible to bury MADELEINE in the Murat garden using the vehicle that was hired 25 days after MADELEINE went missing.
Mr Amaral,s previous actions were under scrutiny involving a mother who killed her child, and fed the child to pigs. It is believed that Mr Amaral got a police woman to physically interrogate the childs mother for 9 hours, to ellicit a confession out of her. The woman was covered in bruises. The case is well documented in Portugal. Mr Amaral has no money, lost his wife, and had to sell his house to pay his legal costs. He has had a serious drinking problem for many years.He relies on friends for handouts.
Currently he faces losing 1.2 million pounds to the Mc Cann's in a deformation trial. Despite this, he and his attorney Dr Santos de Oliveira fail to ask for the excavation of the Murat driveway, despite the fact, that the discovery of the remains, would surely result in Mr Amaral successfully defending the Mc Cann deformation claim.
Why is Mr Amaral not asking for the driveway to be excavated, he has nothing to lose, I made the claim, not him. He is drowning, and there is a possible lifeline, why not grab it, no matter how small the chance. We have already proved the Portuguese Police lied about scanning the Murat yard, in that our evidence (photos see Huffington Post article) proves that despite the head of the Portuguese Police, in a letter to the Prime Minister of Portugal claiming that the entire Murat yard was scanned,my investigation revealed that a pile of building rubble was left undisturbed. No ground penetrating machine in the world can scan over building rubble !!! So we know the police are lying. If they lied once, who says they never lied about the DNA !!!!
This is my theory, and until it is proven wrong, I am sticking with it.This post is not written to evoke attention, it is written because a real possibilty exists that the Portuguese Police, with Mr Amaral knowledge planted DNA evidence. Many such events by frustrated police are documented around the world.
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I am going to say it again, and if I am right and Madeleine Mc Cann is buried in the Murat garden, then I am correct that she was buried on the 3rd May 2007, and the DNA evidence was planted in the Mc Cann vehicle, hired 25 days after MADELEINE went missing. I also believe then, that the possibilty exists, that the DNA evidence was planted by Portuguese Police with the possible knowledge of Mr Goncarlo Amaral.(A desperate action to convict the Mc Cann's) As a result Mr Amaral was removed from the case.(political embarrassement, MI5 got to find out) If Madeleine is in the Murat garden, given the press presence in Praia da luz at the time, it would of been then impossible to bury MADELEINE in the Murat garden using the vehicle that was hired 25 days after MADELEINE went missing.
Mr Amaral,s previous actions were under scrutiny involving a mother who killed her child, and fed the child to pigs. It is believed that Mr Amaral got a police woman to physically interrogate the childs mother for 9 hours, to ellicit a confession out of her. The woman was covered in bruises. The case is well documented in Portugal. Mr Amaral has no money, lost his wife, and had to sell his house to pay his legal costs. He has had a serious drinking problem for many years.He relies on friends for handouts.
Currently he faces losing 1.2 million pounds to the Mc Cann's in a deformation trial. Despite this, he and his attorney Dr Santos de Oliveira fail to ask for the excavation of the Murat driveway, despite the fact, that the discovery of the remains, would surely result in Mr Amaral successfully defending the Mc Cann deformation claim.
Why is Mr Amaral not asking for the driveway to be excavated, he has nothing to lose, I made the claim, not him. He is drowning, and there is a possible lifeline, why not grab it, no matter how small the chance. We have already proved the Portuguese Police lied about scanning the Murat yard, in that our evidence (photos see Huffington Post article) proves that despite the head of the Portuguese Police, in a letter to the Prime Minister of Portugal claiming that the entire Murat yard was scanned,my investigation revealed that a pile of building rubble was left undisturbed. No ground penetrating machine in the world can scan over building rubble !!! So we know the police are lying. If they lied once, who says they never lied about the DNA !!!!
This is my theory, and until it is proven wrong, I am sticking with it.This post is not written to evoke attention, it is written because a real possibilty exists that the Portuguese Police, with Mr Amaral knowledge planted DNA evidence. Many such events by frustrated police are documented around the world.
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Re: Could Maddie be in the garden of Casa Liliana?
But it is not all your theory. Why are you able to state the exact time when MM was buried? What else do you know or is it just a big hunch?
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Re: Could Maddie be in the garden of Casa Liliana?
Stephen Birch wrote:TO THE FORUM
I am going to say it again, and if I am right and Madeleine Mc Cann is buried in the Murat garden, then I am correct that she was buried on the 3rd May 2007, and the DNA evidence was planted in the Mc Cann vehicle, hired 25 days after MADELEINE went missing. I also believe then, that the possibilty exists, that the DNA evidence was planted by Portuguese Police with the possible knowledge of Mr Goncarlo Amaral.(A desperate action to convict the Mc Cann's) As a result Mr Amaral was removed from the case.(political embarrassement, MI5 got to find out) If Madeleine is in the Murat garden, given the press presence in Praia da luz at the time, it would of been then impossible to bury MADELEINE in the Murat garden using the vehicle that was hired 25 days after MADELEINE went missing.
Mr Amaral,s previous actions were under scrutiny involving a mother who killed her child, and fed the child to pigs. It is believed that Mr Amaral got a police woman to physically interrogate the childs mother for 9 hours, to ellicit a confession out of her. The woman was covered in bruises. The case is well documented in Portugal. Mr Amaral has no money, lost his wife, and had to sell his house to pay his legal costs. He has had a serious drinking problem for many years.He relies on friends for handouts.
Currently he faces losing 1.2 million pounds to the Mc Cann's in a deformation trial. Despite this, he and his attorney Dr Santos de Oliveira fail to ask for the excavation of the Murat driveway, despite the fact, that the discovery of the remains, would surely result in Mr Amaral successfully defending the Mc Cann deformation claim.
Why is Mr Amaral not asking for the driveway to be excavated, he has nothing to lose, I made the claim, not him. He is drowning, and there is a possible lifeline, why not grab it, no matter how small the chance. We have already proved the Portuguese Police lied about scanning the Murat yard, in that our evidence (photos see Huffington Post article) proves that despite the head of the Portuguese Police, in a letter to the Prime Minister of Portugal claiming that the entire Murat yard was scanned,my investigation revealed that a pile of building rubble was left undisturbed. No ground penetrating machine in the world can scan over building rubble !!! So we know the police are lying. If they lied once, who says they never lied about the DNA !!!!
This is my theory, and until it is proven wrong, I am sticking with it.This post is not written to evoke attention, it is written because a real possibilty exists that the Portuguese Police, with Mr Amaral knowledge planted DNA evidence. Many such events by frustrated police are documented around the world.
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Why should he ? I would like to know why the childs parents have not asked for the driveway to be excavated, for they most certainly have nothing to loose.
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Re: Could Maddie be in the garden of Casa Liliana?
I plead my 5th amendment right, to the question as to why the Mc Cann's do not call for the excavation of the Murat rear gravel driveway.
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Re: Could Maddie be in the garden of Casa Liliana?
Amaral is a civilian now so surely he has no authority to ask for anything?
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Re: Could Maddie be in the garden of Casa Liliana?
Roy, that I will reveal after the body is exhumed, please respect the fact that this investigation only commences once the body is exhumed.
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Re: Could Maddie be in the garden of Casa Liliana?
Excuse me, but where the heck would they have gotten Madeleine's [resembling] DNA ... ????!!!
Planting cadaver scent is one thing [and surely not road-kill, thank you JATYK2], but DNA?
And now it's the PJ with knowledge of Dr. Amaral, instead of him planting it himself.
And the murderess in incest with her own brother has to be pitied, because - instead of 3 big unidentified policemen - a policewoman beat the truth out of her.
Jeez. Get yourself a life [no offense meant, just a recommendation].
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ETA I posted before reading up to all comments before ...
Didn't change my mind, though.
Planting cadaver scent is one thing [and surely not road-kill, thank you JATYK2], but DNA?
And now it's the PJ with knowledge of Dr. Amaral, instead of him planting it himself.
And the murderess in incest with her own brother has to be pitied, because - instead of 3 big unidentified policemen - a policewoman beat the truth out of her.
Jeez. Get yourself a life [no offense meant, just a recommendation].
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ETA I posted before reading up to all comments before ...
Didn't change my mind, though.
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Re: Could Maddie be in the garden of Casa Liliana?
Have Robert Murat and his mother asked for the area to be searched?
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Re: Could Maddie be in the garden of Casa Liliana?
An excellent question sami. Why wouldn't they..? And to the other claim that the police allegedly lied, is that entirely implausible?
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Re: Could Maddie be in the garden of Casa Liliana?
Mr Amaral and his attorney were contacted telephonically Friday by the largest newspaper in Portugal, Correio da Manha. Both Mr Amaral and his attorney made no effort to call for the excavation of the Murat driveway in the telephonic interview--
The Forum must realise that I speak to Portuguese journalists from various newspapers,magazines and TV stations at least 6 times a day.
The Forum must realise that I speak to Portuguese journalists from various newspapers,magazines and TV stations at least 6 times a day.
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The attorney for Robert Murat, Mr Franscio Pagarette was contacted via email - entry into the property for the purpose of excavating the driveway was denied.
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The case of Amaral's involvement in the beating of a missing childs mother for 9 hours, to ellicit a confession is well documented in Portugal, and is known by most Portuguese citizens.The case received national press coverage, some years back.I am not familiar with the exact facts surrounding the case myself.
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Have you contacted Ms Healy or Dr McCann ?
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***Stephen Birch wrote:The case of Amaral's involvement in the beating of a missing childs mother for 9 hours, to ellicit a confession is well documented in Portugal, and is known by most Portuguese citizens.The case received national press coverage, some years back.I am not familiar with the exact facts surrounding the case myself.
You should, IMO, before speaking out.
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***sami wrote:Have you contacted Ms Healy or Dr McCann ?
Also referred to as DRS McCann ...
I guess, he didn't.
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If you watch the video link below you will see the reaction of Kate Mc Cann to my investigation - watch her left eye as my name is mentioned, watch it over and over !!!
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Kate Mc Cann continued to suspect Mr Robert Murat of having something to do with the abduction of Madeleine, 5 months after Mr Murat's arguido status was lifted !!!
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Kate Mc Cann continued to suspect Mr Robert Murat of having something to do with the abduction of Madeleine, 5 months after Mr Murat's arguido status was lifted !!!
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Stephen Birch wrote:The case of Amaral's involvement in the beating of a missing childs mother for 9 hours, to ellicit a confession is well documented in Portugal, and is known by most Portuguese citizens.The case received national press coverage, some years back.I am not familiar with the exact facts surrounding the case myself.
I suggest you do a bit of reading, these may help
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I have had no contact with the Mc Cann's.
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Stephen Birch wrote:The case of Amaral's involvement in the beating of a missing childs mother for 9 hours, to ellicit a confession is well documented in Portugal, and is known by most Portuguese citizens.The case received national press coverage, some years back.I am not familiar with the exact facts surrounding the case myself.
This reads as if it is some sort of revelation. The exact facts are well known to many on this forum. Even I, not a long standing member here, am familar with the facts. It would be advisable for you to read about the case and make yourself aware of the facts if you are using it as a benchmark on which to discredit Snr Amaral.
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Sorry Candyfloss, our posts crossed, I did not see your link before posting.
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Stephen Birch, why don't you dig the Murat garden in the darkness of the night?
It would save all is this bother of posting on forums and writing to people in Portugal, you did it before albeit scanning with your machine so surely you can do it again?
If you get arrested then so be it but it would be worth the hassle if you found what you were looking for?
It would save all is this bother of posting on forums and writing to people in Portugal, you did it before albeit scanning with your machine so surely you can do it again?
If you get arrested then so be it but it would be worth the hassle if you found what you were looking for?
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sami wrote:Stephen Birch wrote:The case of Amaral's involvement in the beating of a missing childs mother for 9 hours, to ellicit a confession is well documented in Portugal, and is known by most Portuguese citizens.The case received national press coverage, some years back.I am not familiar with the exact facts surrounding the case myself.
This reads as if it is some sort of revelation. The exact facts are well known to many on this forum. Even I, not a long standing member here, am familar with the facts. It would be advisable for you to read about the case and make yourself aware of the facts if you are using it as a benchmark on which to discredit Snr Amaral.
Yes, just posted some links above. From what SB is saying re the torture and beating, it sounds to me like he is rather talking to the wrong people . You haven't been talking to a certain lawyer have you, the one who just had a libel trial by any chance.
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Stephen Birch wrote:I have had no contact with the Mc Cann's.
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Why ?
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***Stephen Birch wrote:If you watch the video link below you will see the reaction of Kate Mc Cann to my investigation - watch her left eye as my name is mentioned, watch it over and over !!!
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Kate Mc Cann continued to suspect Mr Robert Murat of having something to do with the abduction of Madeleine, 5 months after Mr Murat's arguido status was lifted !!!
Stephen, with all due respect, as I have for anyone whom I don't know and cannot proof wrong ...
Whatever Mrs [sorry Dr] McCan -Healy says about Mr. Murat doesn't mean anything to me.
However, whatever Mrs [sorry Dr] McCann-Healy says about herself [and not her missing daughter] means a lot to me and my thinking.
When you mention her left eye or whatever part of her physics: again it means nothing to me, apart from her superior feeling : catch me if you can ... IMO
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