Re: Could Maddie be in the garden of Casa Liliana?

by Guest 30.06.13 7:32

aiyoyo wrote:Not a dickie bird from SB!

Here we are aiyoyo

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Posted by admin On June - 30 - 2013
Chelsea Hoffman

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Many of you are aware of my strong suspicions that Madeleine McCann was murdered, and that she was never truly missing. Of course, I am not the only person who has this theory, but one man has sleuthed his way into a theory that is too frightening not to explore. Stephen Birch believes that Maddie is located under the driveway of Robert Murat — a man who has already been cleared of suspicion in the abduction of the British tot. Stephen believes he found these remains during a search of the Murat property using specific equipment that showed anomalies beneath the surface. The big problem with this discovery, however, is that nobody appears to be willing to excavate the driveway. Why?
Stephen Birch illegally examined the driveway belonging to Robert Murat — something he admits to doing — but he has good reason. He chose to leak his findings after returning to South Africafrom Portugal. For that, he deserves a world of thanks.
We need to push for this property to be excavated. Officials both in Portugal and with Scotland Yard need to stop ignoring the very obvious anomaly located beneath the surface of Murat’s driveway. If the anomaly turns out to be something unrelated to the McCann case, then so be it, but until this driveway is excavated, we will likely never know. Please watch the video below for a better understanding of what Birch discovered:

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Why don't they just excavate and put the is she or isn't she buried there to bed?

by Guest 30.06.13 8:56

It is difficult to know how Chelsea Hoffman can take Stephen Birch seriously as she claims to have spoken to him - or more precisely, been spoken at by him.

Newer members may not be aware of his postings on this site - including those in the name of LEACHATE as well as Stephen Birch.

There is nothing wrong with being unusual or different but there are limits!

by aiyoyo 30.06.13 9:47

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aiyoyo wrote:Not a dickie bird from SB!

Here we are aiyoyo

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Posted by admin On June - 30 - 2013
Chelsea Hoffman

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Many of you are aware of my strong suspicions that Madeleine McCann was murdered, and that she was never truly missing. Of course, I am not the only person who has this theory, but one man has sleuthed his way into a theory that is too frightening not to explore. Stephen Birch believes that Maddie is located under the driveway of Robert Murat — a man who has already been cleared of suspicion in the abduction of the British tot. Stephen believes he found these remains during a search of the Murat property using specific equipment that showed anomalies beneath the surface. The big problem with this discovery, however, is that nobody appears to be willing to excavate the driveway. Why?
Stephen Birch illegally examined the driveway belonging to Robert Murat — something he admits to doing — but he has good reason. He chose to leak his findings after returning to South Africafrom Portugal. For that, he deserves a world of thanks.
We need to push for this property to be excavated. Officials both in Portugal and with Scotland Yard need to stop ignoring the very obvious anomaly located beneath the surface of Murat’s driveway. If the anomaly turns out to be something unrelated to the McCann case, then so be it, but until this driveway is excavated, we will likely never know. Please watch the video below for a better understanding of what Birch discovered:

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Why don't they just excavate and put the is she or isn't she buried there to bed?

Barking, as usual!

They must think Portugal Police are bunch of nincompoops!

Freaking incroyable they are still singing from this hymn sheet.

by Guest 30.06.13 9:59

I must admit I was somewhat intrigued at the beginning of the Birch story. However, I put it in the loony-bin, when he purported that the PJ had found the body, but left it there after extracting DNA to use a month later in the rented car ... tease

by bristow 30.06.13 12:19

As much as SB sounds a bit odd I DO think that the site of the anomaly should be excavated.

by Guest 01.07.13 10:32

If you know Madeleine was buried under Murat's drive and you wanted to get that information out into the public domain without exposing yourself to the wrath of the McCanns, you become some random nutter with a bodyfinding machine.

The McCanns can't shut him up now without drawing unwanted attention and everyone who follows the case is now aware that there is an "anomaly" in the ground under the drive.

Of course he might really be some random nutter with a bodyfinding machine.

by stumo 01.07.13 18:46

if you want to know if there's a body under the drive then send in the dogs...

by **tigger** 01.07.13 18:50

Poe wrote:If you know Madeleine was buried under Murat's drive and you wanted to get that information out into the public domain without exposing yourself to the wrath of the McCanns, you become some random nutter with a bodyfinding machine.

The McCanns can't shut him up now without drawing unwanted attention and everyone who follows the case is now aware that there is an "anomaly" in the ground under the drive.

Of course he might really be some random nutter with a bodyfinding machine.

There's no better body finding machine than a dog's nose. The dogs have been to Casa Liliana the PJ's dogs as well as Eddie and Keela. Nothing.

by Grande Finale 06.07.13 3:44

tigger wrote:

There's no better body finding machine than a dog's nose. The dogs have been to Casa Liliana the PJ's dogs as well as Eddie and Keela. Nothing.

Oldest trick in the book wait until the police clear the ground and then bury your victim ! GA thought the body may have been frozen for weeks.

The child has been missing 6 years and the whole world has been searching, 100M away someone says something has been buried with a spade and has been deteriorating ,(The operator who did the original survey for the police agrees).

Just obtain the neccesary paperwork and dig the spot!!

I have done some basic research into this as I knew very little about it, at first I thought it may show twin pipes or cables underground, but other scans didn't look like this one. It seems to me it is something buried and deteriorating 1/2 meter deep in a 1 meter long hole, my guess is it could be a large dog or a small child.

Just obtain the neccesary paperwork and dig the spot!!

by marconi 06.07.13 4:44

Oh no!

# Ther's a hole in the bucket,

dear Lisa, dear Lisa, ##

ther's a hole # in the bucket,

dear Lisa,

a hole.. #

by **tigger** 06.07.13 6:06

Grande Finale wrote:
tigger wrote:

There's no better body finding machine than a dog's nose. The dogs have been to Casa Liliana the PJ's dogs as well as Eddie and Keela. Nothing.
Oldest trick in the book wait until the police clear the ground and then bury your victim ! GA thought the body may have been frozen for weeks.

The child has been missing 6 years and the whole world has been searching, 100M away someone says something has been buried with a spade and has been deteriorating ,(The operator who did the original survey for the police agrees).

Just obtain the neccesary paperwork and dig the spot!!

I have done some basic research into this as I knew very little about it, at first I thought it may show twin pipes or cables underground, but other scans didn't look like this one. It seems to me it is something buried and deteriorating 1/2 meter deep in a 1 meter long hole, my guess is it could be a large dog or a small child.

Just obtain the neccesary paperwork and dig the spot!!

a) Eddie and Keela were invited at short notice at the end of July so planning a burial after the dogs had been isn't logical.
b) The scans published by Birch could just as well be from his backyard - there is no proof and I don't believe he's ever been in Casa Liliana's garden.
c) it is not possible - I expect your research was based on CSI TV series - to determine that a 'small child or dog' is an anomaly on the scan , neither is it possible to determine by geophysics whether such a body would be detoriating. You'll have to do a bit more research.
d) Birch never divulged the frequency he was using, probably didn't know.
e) the six 'experts' who all agreed with Birch have never been produced by him, neither has Birch divulged what they are experts in. Confidence tricks?

by russiandoll 24.07.13 13:30

from today's Correo da Manha newspaper :   [ did my best with google translate to make it more comprehensible]

Maddie: Petition to dig in the backyard of Murat
The South African researcher Stephen Birch has created an online petition to excavate a yard at the home of Robert Murat, in Praia da Luz

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It is in this courtyard, built after the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, the South African businessman believes is the key evidence to solve the case.
Stephen Birch has not given up the investigation into the disappearance of Maddie and created the petition ' Digging for Madeleine '(Digging for Madeleine) to press the governments of Portugal and England to take what Birch believes to be "a fundamental step to discover what happened in night of Maddie's disappearance in Praia da Luz, in 2007. "
In the Algarve property of Robert Murat, called 'Casa Liliana' Birch believes that "there is a way to reveal hidden secrets," because, according to what he found, "there is something buried on this land." The entrepreneur alerted to this situation for the first time in 2012, stating the importance of carrying out excavations to discover what is buried there, "after more than two years of his own research," a discovery which was supported by experts .
The courtyard referred to by the South African businessman and his team was built at the rear of the Murat property in 2008 - less than a year after the disappearance of Maddie - and "currently works as a new addition to the 'Casa Liliana.'" According to Birch, " Kate McCann herself, Maddie's mother knows that her daughter's body is buried in the Algarve . "

Since this discovery, Stephen Birch has tried to "act with the Portuguese authorities and the Portuguese Attorney General to have excavations carried out on the site. " At that time, he even made a video where he explained his findings and challenged Murat to allow excavations on the  property, but without success. Now, the next step is to publish the petition 'Digging for Madeleine McCann' worldwide.
Robert Murat was the first suspect that the Judicial Police identified the disappearance of Maddie, but was ultimately cleared during the Portuguese investigation.
The South African businessman told CdM "regarding the petition which has been created recently, the goal of one million signatures will not be difficult to achieve given the media coverage of the case."
The petition will be available for everyone to sign and will be delivered to the Portuguese Government, the British Government, the Court of Justice of the European Union and even ... the Vatican.
In Portugal, petitions must have four thousand signatures in order to be discussed with the Assembly.  At the time of publication of this news the petition had 630 signatures.

[ will check on the one million signatures, this must be an error ?]

by Ayniia 28.11.13 22:27

I'm sorry if this was posted already,
I was trying to watch it till the end, but I can't stomach that.
One would think Stephen would already know basic things about the case, but seems he doesn't. Again, talking about planted DNA ... My question would be: wouldn't it be easier to plant DNA on Murat than on the Mccanns?!
Among many other questions of course!
What I found most interesting in the half of the video I managed to force myself to watch, was the many times he refers to: Me, my findings, my findings being talked worldwide ( even stating how many articles were published ),correio da manhã newspaper having such interest in my story, me, me, me...
I feel like as Portuguese I feel like I must explain, Correio is the most sold newspaper here but it's certainly also known for being the one who grabs all the "nutters " stories.
All IMHO of course.

by ekatae 28.11.13 22:30

This is most interesting... must research and log out now.... did he mention two men on a balcony at any point?

by Ayniia 28.11.13 22:32

ekatae wrote:This is most interesting... must research and log out now.... did he mention two men on a balcony at any point?

He did, Raj Balu and Neil Barry

by **tigger** 29.11.13 5:38

Ayniia wrote:

I'm sorry if this was posted already,
I was trying to watch it till the end, but I can't stomach that.
One would think Stephen would already know basic things about the case, but seems he doesn't. Again, talking about planted DNA ... My question would be: wouldn't it be easier to plant DNA on Murat than on the Mccanns?!
Among many other questions of course!
What I found most interesting in the half of the video I managed to force myself to watch, was the many times he refers to: Me, my findings, my findings being talked worldwide ( even stating how many articles were published ),correio da manhã newspaper having such interest in my story, me, me, me...
I feel like as Portuguese I feel like I must explain, Correio is the most sold newspaper here but it's certainly also known for being the one who grabs all the "nutters " stories.
All IMHO of course.

Thank you, the voice of reason. Birch is an attention seeker in it for the money. Murat's garden and house were checked by several sets of dogs, including the CSI dogs.

If Birch hadn't put himself forward in this way TM might have had to invent him. He's focussing attention on Murat and that would do them no harm at all.

Besides, there's the threat of either Murat or his mother writing a book - never been popular with Kate, Birch is doing a great job for TM.

by Ayniia 29.11.13 16:21

tigger wrote:Thank you, the voice of reason. Birch is an attention seeker in it for the money. Murat's garden and house were checked by several sets of dogs, including the CSI dogs.

If Birch hadn't put himself forward in this way TM might have had to invent him. He's focussing attention on Murat and that would do them no harm at all.

Besides, there's the threat of either Murat or his mother writing a book - never been popular with Kate, Birch is doing a great job for TM.

Thank you too tigger!
The claims of Birch are just so easy to debunk,seems like child play!
And IF there was the remote chance of remains being buried there ,someone would've grabbed a shovel and dig that up! Why didn't Bitch did it himself? It's as much crime as getting into private property to scan the ground...
Maybe Birch was hoping to be backed up by team Mccann, but he should've done his research better because if you talk about remains that means the end of the fund... this is speculation from my part and all IMHO of course.