Re: Could Maddie be in the garden of Casa Liliana?

by Stephen Birch 17.10.12 21:32

Will post press release and breaking story, perhaps the Forum needs to see these findings in an credible newspaper to believe.

by EJW 17.10.12 21:41

candyfloss wrote:
AskTheDogsSandra wrote:392 users online, presumably interested in what Mr Birch has to say?

Yes, surely that can only be good to get as many visitors as possible reading this forum, I'm sure they will look at other threads as well[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

As long as they don't look at the April Jones one, candyfloss, we'll be alright.

by Guest 17.10.12 21:42

That will send everyone racing towards it!

by Stephen Birch 17.10.12 21:43

CANDYFLOSS you are going to be even more shocked when the truth is revealed. I am filing all these comments to show to my grandchildren one day, and to teach them, that no matter what redicule you face, if you truely believe in something, and you believe you are right, follow through with it, no matter what the cost.

Think out of the box, look from different angles, and be open minded.

Believe.

by Guest 17.10.12 21:48

Stephen Birch wrote:CANDYFLOSS you are going to be even more shocked when the truth is revealed. I am filing all these comments to show to my grandchildren one day, and to teach them, that no matter what redicule you face, if you truely believe in something, and you believe you are right, follow through with it, no matter what the cost.

Think out of the box, look from different angles, and be open minded.

Believe.

My name is spelt with small letters and small c. I await to be shocked. Let's have it. Not the same stuff you have already posted though thanks. Some proof would be nice.

by Guest 17.10.12 22:23

Stephen Birch wrote:If
the body of MADELEINE MC CANN comes out of the Murat garden 130 meters
from where she went missing, previous head of the investigation Goncarlo
Amaral will be in serious trouble. DNA evidence found in the car hired
by the Mc Cann's 25 days after MADELEINE went missing, could only have
been planted by Portuguese Police. The vehicle could not of been used to
transport the body to the site located 130m away, because at the time,
the entire worlds press was in Praia da Luz.

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This man, you Mr. Birch, is a wood head. Gonçalo versus Goncarlo. I told you before and I say it again. Get at least the name right ... laughat

And ... don't say "of" when any English speaking would say "have" ...

The devil is in the detail.

I've been very interested in your "theory" and still don't write all of it off. But I do have serious doubts about you. Pardon. Oh, and your unsubstantiated attacks on "people" planting the "scent of death". I still have IMO better candidates to do that, IF ever ...

by Snifferdog 17.10.12 22:34

Stephen Birch wrote:If
the body of MADELEINE MC CANN comes out of the Murat garden 130 meters
from where she went missing, previous head of the investigation Goncarlo
Amaral will be in serious trouble. DNA evidence found in the car hired
by the Mc Cann's 25 days after MADELEINE went missing, could only have
been planted by Portuguese Police. The vehicle could not of been used to
transport the body to the site located 130m away, because at the time,
the entire worlds press was in Praia da Luz.

It seems the Mccanns and Micheal Wright regularly took garbage and garden refuse to various dumps in the area. Why is this when there were large bins provided for this in the immediate area. I wonder if any of the press around at the time rummaged around in their garbage as they did with Elton Johns? Somehow I doubt it.

by justme3 17.10.12 22:42

I don't often read this thread, because in my opinion, this SB is stringing posters along. But I will take the time to ask this. SB, why are you so intent on trying to convince people on this thread, that your cat and mouse game is something they should take seriously? Someone who knows so much, as you say you do, should be getting on with the job, not spending all your time posting on here. So, GET ON WITH IT.

There...........rant over!

by Stephen Birch 17.10.12 22:51

Justme3 love your post - I like commenting while working. I am not sure which part of I cannot comment or answer certain questions, due to this being an open publc Forum, and the fact that this investigation is ongoing, don't individuals in this forum understand.

by Guest 17.10.12 23:00

Excuse me, but what makes you think that people in this forum "do not understand" ... ?

by Zozo 17.10.12 23:11

Stephen Birch wrote:Why is Amaral not telling the press, lets take a look and dig ??
His back is against the wall with teh Mc Cann's coming in for the kill.

Finding the child will help him enormously....

Stephen Birch wrote:If
the body of MADELEINE MC CANN comes out of the Murat garden 130 meters
from where she went missing, previous head of the investigation Goncarlo
Amaral will be in serious trouble. DNA evidence found in the car hired
by the Mc Cann's 25 days after MADELEINE went missing, could only have
been planted by Portuguese Police. The vehicle could not of been used to
transport the body to the site located 130m away, because at the time,
the entire worlds press was in Praia da Luz.

How on earth can u reconcile both of those posts from SB or SBs, Mr Dig? As it seems suspicious to me his spellings, Sometimes good, sometimes bad, as it has been noted by some other members.

Both his/they posts above speaks volumes how he/they want to manipulate members here. They are even forgetting to consult each other what one or the other has already posted.

Just calculating the appropriate moment to throw in more pieces of his theory and more confusions.... follows. For which goals?

candyfloss wrote:
Mr Birch, I am shocked, very shocked indeed.

Mr Birch, if this is the sort of research you do, then no wonder you have your head full of silly ideas. I suggest you read this forum carefully,
where you will find excellent research, done by excellent members,
backed up with links to the files etc. You may then have a totally
different opinion. There is lots of stuff on Mr Amaral. That is the
problem if people google Goncalo Amaral and it takes them to links like
that, doh, anyone viewing this forum, needs to read here, not that fiction
over there. Wonder how many links they have on there with their so
called research. It is all purely to discredit the one person they are
terrified of.

Do you really need to remind him that, if as he said himself, as a serious investigator, very committed in resolving this case????????

by Guest 17.10.12 23:18

Zozo wrote:
Stephen Birch wrote:Why is Amaral not telling the press, lets take a look and dig ??
His back is against the wall with teh Mc Cann's coming in for the kill.

Finding the child will help him enormously....
Stephen Birch wrote:If
the body of MADELEINE MC CANN comes out of the Murat garden 130 meters
from where she went missing, previous head of the investigation Goncarlo
Amaral will be in serious trouble. DNA evidence found in the car hired
by the Mc Cann's 25 days after MADELEINE went missing, could only have
been planted by Portuguese Police. The vehicle could not of been used to
transport the body to the site located 130m away, because at the time,
the entire worlds press was in Praia da Luz.

How on earth can u reconcile both of those posts from SB or SBs, Mr Dig? As it seems suspicious to me his spellings, Sometimes good, sometimes bad, as it has been noted by some other members.

As he sees he is gaining some supports here, now is calculating the appropriate moment to throw in more pieces of his theory and more confusions.... follows. For which goals?
candyfloss wrote:
Mr Birch, I am shocked, very shocked indeed.

Mr Birch, if this is the sort of research you do, then no wonder you have your head full of silly ideas. I suggest you read this forum carefully,
where you will find excellent research, done by excellent members,
backed up with links to the files etc. You may then have a totally
different opinion. There is lots of stuff on Mr Amaral. That is the
problem if people google Goncalo Amaral and it takes them to links like
that, doh, anyone viewing this forum, needs to read here, not that fiction
over there. Wonder how many links they have on there with their so
called research. It is all purely to discredit the one person they are
terrified of.
Do you really need to remind him that, if as he said himself, as a serious investigator, very committed in resolving this case????????

Oh leave her alone. As candyfloss said on another thread she's shattered. Maybe you could try moderating this forum for a while and see how it feels being in between those who want to debate this topic and those who want SB banned and the thread locked. It's a thankless task sometimes trying to keep everyone happy.

by aiyoyo 17.10.12 23:31

Stephen Birch wrote:CANDYFLOSS you are going to be even more shocked when the truth is revealed. I am filing all these comments to show to my grandchildren one day, and to teach them, that no matter what redicule you face, if you truely believe in something, and you believe you are right, follow through with it, no matter what the cost.

Think out of the box, look from different angles, and be open minded.

Believe.

Shouting candyfloss name and telling her to take his words as Gospel! Oh boy.... oh boy..... oh boy....

by aiyoyo 17.10.12 23:37

tiny wrote:
ShuBob wrote:
Woofer wrote:
ShuBob wrote:
Woofer wrote:
ShuBob wrote:
Woofer wrote:[...]
Bristow, yes, agreed. But he doesn`t irritate me quite so much because its obvious there are certain things he cannot answer. But who knows, I maybe just a naive fool, but what I do know is its extremely foolish to think we have all the answers.

Do you think it's ok for him to allege Amaral planted DNA on items associated with the McCanns and was actively involved in the beating of Leonor Cipriano despite all the court cases?

Obviously not ShuBob but I believe he did rectify that to GA merely `knowing` about those things. I do agree that he should not spout off things as fact - we have all been warned to make sure we add IMO. I`m tending now to think that he has been duped by propoganda coming from the Marcos Correia camp. For all his faults, I just don`t think he`s the type of person to be cunning enough to be involved in a set-up - but as I`ve said, I am naive sometimes. My radar is only any good at spotting negative intentions in people, not positive, albeit misguided ones.

I suppose that's alright then. He didn't plant the evidence himself or instruct his officers to beat a confession out of Cipriano. He just "knew" about them and lied both in court and in his book. This from so-called supporters of Amaral!

With friends like these, who needs enemies.....

As I`ve said before, I think its foolish to always think one is right. I believe in GA and in his motivations, but I do know we all have flaws and I do know none of us know everything. I`m not the almighty, all knowing supreme being and I don`t know everything.

However SB should not make statements as facts.

Personally, I don't think it's possible to support Amaral and at the same time entertain the idea that he may have set up the McCanns and was basically a corrupt cop. Both views are incompatible. That's my opinion anyway.

I make you right on this shubob,I honestly think he is pulling our pl*****

Yeap, afraid so! It seems he's making his statements the Gospel truth, nothing but the whole truth, the way he goes about shouting it while not answering questions to the points. He's leading members merrily down rothley garden path.

by Woofer 17.10.12 23:44

I was hoping this thread could be used for discussing whether SBs theory could be possible or not and if not, why not - mainly so we could disprove his theory. Using methods like playing devil`s advocate can be useful because it encourages people to state why that`s not possible. I had intended to keep SB out of it for his own legal protection. The only way threads descend into the sewers is when people start being disrespectful - if everyone could remain polite, calm and logical, we might get somewhere.

by justme3 17.10.12 23:46

Stephen Birch wrote:Justme3 love your post - I like commenting while working. I am not sure which part of I cannot comment or answer certain questions, due to this being an open publc Forum, and the fact that this investigation is ongoing, don't individuals in this forum understand.

Well, Mr Birch, love it or hate it, this is going to be my last post on this thread. I for one, won't be reading any more of this thread, and the sooner people on here ignore you, the better, in my opinion.

So TOODLE PIP!

by isar 18.10.12 0:00

Stephen,

to quote the late & great Christopher Hitchens:

'That which can be asserted without evidence,
can be dismissed without evidence'

And you Sir, have asserted an awful lot without evidence

Therefore I'm outta here too

Night all

by LG1968 18.10.12 0:33

isar wrote:Stephen,

to quote the late & great Christopher Hitchens:

'That which can be asserted without evidence,
can be dismissed without evidence'

And you Sir, have asserted an awful lot without evidence

Therefore I'm outta here too

Night all

Before you go. I saw your question to Stephen Birch earlier. You asked why did he not dig? Did he reply or not? I've missed it if he did. But I would ask the same question. Why did he not just dig a hole? If he had made a clear film of the area before and then filmed his excavation with witnesses this would have all been dealt with at the time. But instead he seems to be hell bent on publicity and not really interested in solving the case.

by isar 18.10.12 0:51

Hi LG,

Stephen did reply to be fair, something about having a spade and trying to dig but being worried about the noise this would create

and the gardeners at the adjoining Ocean Club starting early in the day

and so on and so on, yaddah, yaddah

(this noise he speaks of, which lugging his great penetration machine, back and forth over 6 foot walls and fences, and tearing his trousers in the process, would not have made - allegedly)

All rather nebulous

He'd come all this way/commited multiple trespass in PT
- and then lost his nerve at the last hurdle (digging and (not) finding things)?

Pull the other one
It's got bells on

by **PeterMac** 18.10.12 7:31

There is no point in arguing.
DIG.

by aiyoyo 18.10.12 7:51

Yeap! Exactly!

by tiny 18.10.12 8:26

Stephen Birch wrote:If
the body of MADELEINE MC CANN comes out of the Murat garden 130 meters
from where she went missing, previous head of the investigation Goncarlo
Amaral will be in serious trouble. DNA evidence found in the car hired
by the Mc Cann's 25 days after MADELEINE went missing, could only have
been planted by Portuguese Police. The vehicle could not of been used to
transport the body to the site located 130m away, because at the time,
the entire worlds press was in Praia da Luz.

I think mr birch is on the wrong forum,i thought at the begining that justice for Madeleine was here at last,but it has it all gone ti** up with his ever changing blame changes,still it was amusing while it lasted.

by sami 18.10.12 8:55

tiny wrote:
Stephen Birch wrote:If
the body of MADELEINE MC CANN comes out of the Murat garden 130 meters
from where she went missing, previous head of the investigation Goncarlo
Amaral will be in serious trouble. DNA evidence found in the car hired
by the Mc Cann's 25 days after MADELEINE went missing, could only have
been planted by Portuguese Police. The vehicle could not of been used to
transport the body to the site located 130m away, because at the time,
the entire worlds press was in Praia da Luz.

I think mr birch is on the wrong forum,i thought at the begining that justice for Madeleine was here at last,but it has it all gone ti** up with his ever changing blame changes,still it was amusing while it lasted.

Interestingly, the McCanns have used exactly the same excuse as above - "the entire worlds press was in PDL". Mr Birch's claim as above also only takes account of the fact the the body was transported in the boot of the car. As far as I am aware the cadaver dog did not alert in the boot - only the blood dog. That to me indicates there was no cadaver in the boot, however there was something that provided dna evidence in the boot.

by LG1968 18.10.12 9:00

isar wrote:Hi LG,

Stephen did reply to be fair, something about having a spade and trying to dig but being worried about the noise this would create

and the gardeners at the adjoining Ocean Club starting early in the day

and so on and so on, yaddah, yaddah

(this noise he speaks of, which lugging his great penetration machine, back and forth over 6 foot walls and fences, and tearing his trousers in the process, would not have made - allegedly)

All rather nebulous

He'd come all this way/commited multiple trespass in PT
- and then lost his nerve at the last hurdle (digging and (not) finding things)?

Pull the other one
It's got bells on

Thanks for the reply. I have to agree with you. It sounds ridiculous. He claims to have spent thousands on this and years of research but couldn't work out how to dig a 450mm hole.

by david_uk 18.10.12 9:04

Why is this forum entertaining this complete nonsense!!!??.

Amarals, Tonys, Pats and all the other regular contributors work is built on pretty solid research, analysis and common sense!. This guy has shown nothing but some pictures of himself in a garden with what looks like a lawnmower! and some questionable youtube uploads. While funny to watch with every bizarre post , its embarrassing ,especially for the forums reputation.

by Guest 18.10.12 9:11

Perhaps a poll could be taken to see whether there's a majority in favour of Stephen Birch and his alter-egos being allowed to contribute?

by david_uk 18.10.12 9:13

Jean wrote:Perhaps a poll could be taken to see whether there's a majority in favour of Stephen Birch and his alter-egos being allowed to contribute?

DEMOCRACY!!!! ?? this is the UK. Ban him!! throw him to the virtual floor! extradite him in 10 years time!

by Guest 18.10.12 9:15

I still think we'll have to take a vote on that!

by uppatoffee 18.10.12 9:23

Surely the people that do not want Mr Birch to keep contributing should just avoid the thread. That way those that are trying to get some answers from him can be free to do so without interruption. No vote needed.

This case is always going to split public opinion and until we finally find out what happens its only natural that people will want to explore every possibility to see if it stands up to scrutiny. As a dig currently seems unlikely, the only way to find out more about Mr Birch's claims is to ask him to explain how he came to his conclusions.