9/ll conspiracy theories: How they've evolved

jd, I've missed you!

Yes hauled my sorry butt out of the supermarket long enough to post again

Thanks for all those links and I loveWingdings! I have loads of fun with that - I'm easily pleased! I'll have to look at all those in the library tomorrow as I'm strictly back on the blackberry again, but they sound very interesting.

What scares me more than psychopathic leaders (I've always known they were there!), is those so blind they will not see. I don't include you in that, its people who carry on believing the c**p they are fed. Ok, so this one slipped you by for a while (that did surprise me a little like it did NFWTD) BUT you got to the truth.
Its these rednecks (and not just Americans ) who believe the nonsense. Its a bit like watching Derren Brown and insisting what he does is real!

The term 'conspiracy theorist' was coined to be used in a derogatory manner to frighten people into not asking questions about official matters that are 'beyond the pale'. I posted an article from www.rense.com on here under the title 'Conspiracy Theorists - And What If We Are?' - a good read (or re-read) in light of all this. I actually LIKE being called a conspiraloon, as it proves (even if I'm wrong) I'm not a sheeple! As the article says, some events do NOT gain conspiracy theories, as the facts we are given match what we have seen. Conspiracies persist when the official story goes against all sense, all evidence, all we have seen - eg 9/11, 7/7, 3/05/07, Diana, Kennedy, likely Monroe....

On a random note, do you still have the same email address? I've not emailed you for a while BUT if you got an 'Invite to play Word Mole on your BlackBerry' , that was from my autistic son via my phne (have a different email, neither of the two you had work now... Another member here got one, I didn't realise what he'd done until I got a bemused email from other member!
I asked said son "did you send an invite to anyone else?" He said "Yes, jd" - you must of been in the email list. If he says he did then I can't think why he'd lie as he's not heard of you!!!

So yes, any weird random emails could have been from him

I've missed you too RF! Congratulations on the little one! Just more excuses to go the supermarket now! (crafty! )

We are totally governed by psychopathic leaders, bankers and gilt edged companies all on their one (eye) agenda. For me it is not being conspiracy but telling the truth, against the perpetrators who have brain washed the population into their lies, and the total illusion they are good guys and we live in a free democracy. Its the big lie we live under. And I have seen overwhelming proof, consistent and answers all the questions from our history and current day lives. How I never noticed this before I cannot fully answer, consumed by their propaganda I suppose

Have you seen the latest Derren Brown posters on the buses, one eye! (again & again & again). Here is one of them


And the latest movie that is world premiering this Sunday in London


Thought I'd throw this one eye in! Considering the elite protection they have had since 3/5/07 from the perpetrators

Yes I did receive some Blackberry email a while back but ignored it.! so it was you!! Im still on the same address so maybe you can send me a proper email one day now that you have found the exit isle!

jd wrote:I've missed you too RF! Congratulations on the little one! Just more excuses to go the supermarket now! (crafty! )

We are totally governed by psychopathic leaders, bankers and gilt edged companies all on their one (eye) agenda. For me it is not being conspiracy but telling the truth, against the perpetrators who have brain washed the population into their lies, and the total illusion they are good guys and we live in a free democracy. Its the big lie we live under. And I have seen overwhelming proof, consistent and answers all the questions from our history and current day lives. How I never noticed this before I cannot fully answer, consumed by their propaganda I suppose

Have you seen the latest Derren Brown posters on the buses, one eye! (again & again & again). Here is one of them


And the latest movie that is world premiering this Sunday in London


Thought I'd throw this one eye in! Considering the elite protection they have had since 3/5/07 from the perpetrators

Yes I did receive some Blackberry email a while back but ignored it.! so it was you!! Im still on the same address so maybe you can send me a proper email one day now that you have found the exit isle!

Yep Mr jd, I'm a crafty one alright! Single mumhood necessitates multiple supermarket trips
Thank you for your congrats, he's a good little boy

The elite definitely live by their own rules and have their own agenda. We are nothing but worker ants. Useful, but easily crushed if we go out of line or it suits their purpose (which is why I have no problem believing the US would assassinate thousands of its own citizens.
I wanted to weep at the death of Bin Laden and all those utter hoons at Ground Zero chanting 'USA, USA, USA' - in fact I think I swore at the television!

I'd not seen the Derren Brown posters - I find him an arrogant little man tbh - but all this 'one eye' material is very interesting, in the same way as you say 9/11 was foretold many years previous..... Hmmmmm!

Well, I WILL email you and catch up inbetween feeding three hungry boys and supermarket visits, didn't want to before in case you'd changed address and it went to a random person instead!

I am now going to say very well done to my now middle son for telling the truth about emailing you - pity his elder brother isn't always so truthful!

rainbow-fairy wrote:
Yep Mr jd, I'm a crafty one alright! Single mumhood necessitates multiple supermarket trips
Thank you for your congrats, he's a good little boy

The elite definitely live by their own rules and have their own agenda. We are nothing but worker ants. Useful, but easily crushed if we go out of line or it suits their purpose (which is why I have no problem believing the US would assassinate thousands of its own citizens.
I wanted to weep at the death of Bin Laden and all those utter hoons at Ground Zero chanting 'USA, USA, USA' - in fact I think I swore at the television!

I'd not seen the Derren Brown posters - I find him an arrogant little man tbh - but all this 'one eye' material is very interesting, in the same way as you say 9/11 was foretold many years previous..... Hmmmmm!

Well, I WILL email you and catch up inbetween feeding three hungry boys and supermarket visits, didn't want to before in case you'd changed address and it went to a random person instead!

I am now going to say very well done to my now middle son for telling the truth about emailing you - pity his elder brother isn't always so truthful!

Whoever has died on these false flags can only be by our governments.....Its all their mock drills that went live

Your middle son being honest like that shows what a good mother you are! Most would not admit to it

I don't believe for a moment that Osama Bin Laden died only two years ago when we are told that he did. There are many sites on the Internet claiming that he died of kidney failure in December 2001 (and had nothing to do with 9/11 which won't come as a surprise) and they are a lot more believable than anything put out by the American government.

jd wrote:

rainbow-fairy wrote:
Yep Mr jd, I'm a crafty one alright! Single mumhood necessitates multiple supermarket trips
Thank you for your congrats, he's a good little boy

The elite definitely live by their own rules and have their own agenda. We are nothing but worker ants. Useful, but easily crushed if we go out of line or it suits their purpose (which is why I have no problem believing the US would assassinate thousands of its own citizens.
I wanted to weep at the death of Bin Laden and all those utter hoons at Ground Zero chanting 'USA, USA, USA' - in fact I think I swore at the television!

I'd not seen the Derren Brown posters - I find him an arrogant little man tbh - but all this 'one eye' material is very interesting, in the same way as you say 9/11 was foretold many years previous..... Hmmmmm!

Well, I WILL email you and catch up inbetween feeding three hungry boys and supermarket visits, didn't want to before in case you'd changed address and it went to a random person instead!

I am now going to say very well done to my now middle son for telling the truth about emailing you - pity his elder brother isn't always so truthful!

Whoever has died on these false flags can only be by our governments.....Its all their mock drills that went live

Your middle son being honest like that shows what a good mother you are! Most would not admit to it

Awww thanks jd - I'm blushing now! But a nice comment was just what I needed, just had a run in with 'father' (who hasn't bothered for 10 months and now rises from his coffin, grrrrr)

Yes, I'll bet they didn't bank on the mock drills becoming public - or did they get 'leaked' by someone (who is probably now deceased)?

I'm not, as I claimed before, of the conspiratorial nature, BUT ... 9/11 was a big SCAM. Which cost 1,000's of lives to achieve a profit for a few! First to name: Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld ... Oil and medicines = money. Shame, shame, shame ...

"...closer look at Ellen Mariani's alleged husband "Louis Mariani" (who supposedly perished in "FLIGHT 175").

"As I googled his name for more images of "Louis Mariani", I kept bumping into a near namesake of his - one Luis Mariano, whose name actually sounded vaguely familiar to me. I then slapped my forehead and bursted: "Of course! It's that famous Spanish/French operette singer of yesteryear!". In fact, the Italian Wikipedia has him as "one of the more important singers of the world". And just to get a notion of the huge popularity he enjoyed in his time, here is how the French Wikipedia recalls Luis Mariano's arrival in Montevideo(Uruguay) to perform a concert (my translation):
"In the port of Montevideo, 60,000 fans have made the trip to see him disembark from the transatlantic ship which brought him there. 100,000 people attend his concert in the Uruguyan capital. The Beatles, who are also touring the country, just cannot believe it. Here, they are not the top stars - Mariano is."

"...the perp-crew that created the 9/11 vicsims thought it 'funny' to use faces of celebrities to construct their virtual victims - even using similar-sounding names and/or surnames! And this, particularly for 'high-profile victims' such as, for instance, YAMEL JAGER MERINO" - the very first, highly publicized "pretty-face-casualty" of 9/11 (her facial traits being 'borrowed' from the young BIANCA JAGGER). Well, it would seem that this other high-profile vicsim, "LOUIS MARIANI", was yet another such 'humorous' inside-joke..."

Another Jagger-related vicsim:
Merino, who was buried Friday, is survived by her 8-year-old son, Kevin Villa; her mother, Anna Jager; her father, Fernando Merino; brothers Bryant and Leslie Jager; and sisters Gabriella Sierra and Vianca Jager.
http://articles.latimes.com/2001/sep/19/news/mn-47349
Huh? Yamel had a sister named "Vianca Jager"? Uh, let's see....what springs to mind?




For a moment, let's say this vicsim is not a morph of Bianca Jagger. This woman was said to be 24, had a son, 8, & had worked as an EMT for 4 years. Far-fetched? While it is possible that she had a son at 16, I find it questionable that she completed high school, took a certified EMT program, then jumped into a high energy job while taking care of a baby son/toddler during the the same time period. Who wrote this script? The writer is the same person who put a 3 month old baby in a midnight showing of "The Dark Night Rises" in Aurora, CO. [People don't take fussy/fragile infants to movies. Clearly, the writers of the scripts are brain dead.]

http://www.cluesforum.info/viewtopic.php?p=2367766#p2367766"

jd wrote:


"...closer look at Ellen Mariani's alleged husband "Louis Mariani" (who supposedly perished in "FLIGHT 175").

"As I googled his name for more images of "Louis Mariani", I kept bumping into a near namesake of his - one Luis Mariano, whose name actually sounded vaguely familiar to me. I then slapped my forehead and bursted: "Of course! It's that famous Spanish/French operette singer of yesteryear!". In fact, the Italian Wikipedia has him as "one of the more important singers of the world". And just to get a notion of the huge popularity he enjoyed in his time, here is how the French Wikipedia recalls Luis Mariano's arrival in Montevideo(Uruguay) to perform a concert (my translation):
"In the port of Montevideo, 60,000 fans have made the trip to see him disembark from the transatlantic ship which brought him there. 100,000 people attend his concert in the Uruguyan capital. The Beatles, who are also touring the country, just cannot believe it. Here, they are not the top stars - Mariano is."

"...the perp-crew that created the 9/11 vicsims thought it 'funny' to use faces of celebrities to construct their virtual victims - even using similar-sounding names and/or surnames! And this, particularly for 'high-profile victims' such as, for instance, YAMEL JAGER MERINO" - the very first, highly publicized "pretty-face-casualty" of 9/11 (her facial traits being 'borrowed' from the young BIANCA JAGGER). Well, it would seem that this other high-profile vicsim, "LOUIS MARIANI", was yet another such 'humorous' inside-joke..."

Another Jagger-related vicsim:
Merino, who was buried Friday, is survived by her 8-year-old son, Kevin Villa; her mother, Anna Jager; her father, Fernando Merino; brothers Bryant and Leslie Jager; and sisters Gabriella Sierra and Vianca Jager.
http://articles.latimes.com/2001/sep/19/news/mn-47349
Huh? Yamel had a sister named "Vianca Jager"? Uh, let's see....what springs to mind?




For a moment, let's say this vicsim is not a morph of Bianca Jagger. This woman was said to be 24, had a son, 8, & had worked as an EMT for 4 years. Far-fetched? While it is possible that she had a son at 16, I find it questionable that she completed high school, took a certified EMT program, then jumped into a high energy job while taking care of a baby son/toddler during the the same time period. Who wrote this script? The writer is the same person who put a 3 month old baby in a midnight showing of "The Dark Night Rises" in Aurora, CO. [People don't take fussy/fragile infants to movies. Clearly, the writers of the scripts are brain dead.]

http://www.cluesforum.info/viewtopic.php?p=2367766#p2367766"

My GOD, just - my GOD! As you know jd I've Always been in the 'inside job' camp but this takes sick to a whole new level!
They just treat their entire population with utter disdain

rainbow-fairy wrote:
My GOD, just - my GOD! As you know jd I've Always been in the 'inside job' camp but this takes sick to a whole new level!
They just treat their entire population with utter disdain

Yes it does take it a new level because they are really sick and psychopaths. I have come to the conclusion that they see us all as little cockroaches they laughingly stamp all over and use to fulfill their agenda

Another name that is so close, this time from 7/7 and 9/11

ESTHER HYMAN (of 7/7 fame) and ESTHER HEYMANN (of 9/11 fame)

jd wrote:

rainbow-fairy wrote:
My GOD, just - my GOD! As you know jd I've Always been in the 'inside job' camp but this takes sick to a whole new level!
They just treat their entire population with utter disdain

Yes it does take it a new level because they are really sick and psychopaths. I have come to the conclusion that they see us all as little cockroaches they laughingly stamp all over and use to fulfill their agenda

Another name that is so close, this time from 7/7 and 9/11

ESTHER HYMAN (of 7/7 fame) and ESTHER HEYMANN (of 9/11 fame)

Or are those jobs left to the underlings who do not necessarily agree with their masters and use this method to reveal at least part of what's going on.
I'd like to think that.
I'd think that those orchestrating these scams wouldn't lower themselves to sort out these details. Give these jobs to their minions - tell them to use the telephone books, any other list of names and faces and come up with the right number.
These guy might be on our side!

tigger wrote:
Or are those jobs left to the underlings who do not necessarily agree with their masters and use this method to reveal at least part of what's going on.
I'd like to think that.
I'd think that those orchestrating these scams wouldn't lower themselves to sort out these details. Give these jobs to their minions - tell them to use the telephone books, any other list of names and faces and come up with the right number.
These guy might be on our side!

I believe they have brainwashed many into their way of thinking with promises i.e sell us your soul and in return you'll be looked after forever & never have to worry about anything. This certainly applies to the music industry. But these ones are so stupid to even think that their masters will have any time or care for them when D day eventually arrives. They will just throw them to the wolves along with the rest of us. I do hope though that some are 'playing the game' but on our side really

Do you know that is just the vision I had whiilst writing that post jd - ants crushed underfoot!
And jd, tigger, my hint in an earlier post (not certain it came up will check) was that someone not in agreement with the whole thing was leaving subtle 'clues' for those few they knew would look.....

rainbow-fairy wrote:Do you know that is just the vision I had whiilst writing that post jd - ants crushed underfoot!
And jd, tigger, my hint in an earlier post (not certain it came up will check) was that someone not in agreement with the whole thing was leaving subtle 'clues' for those few they knew would look.....

Yep they don't care about us in the slightest and they see us as the lowest form of life. Not a nice thought I know but this is what they think and believe. To pull of 9/11 & 7/7 stunts just shows what psychopaths they really are...and the real power of the media in fooling everyone

This is one of the best documentaries around, and anyone who still believes that Al Queada was behind 9/11 should watch and ask themselves the questions raised in this documentary. If we had an honest media that we 'think we have, then these kind of documentaries would be aired and not ones that promote it was Islamic Terrorist. Without an enemy, these psychopaths can't pursue their real hidden agenda. this is why the CIA created Al Queada/Islamic terror, now resurfacing again as they continue onto the next stage. Everything they do they 'justify' with the terror excuse. Without this they can't achieve their NWO goals

jd wrote:

rainbow-fairy wrote:Do you know that is just the vision I had whiilst writing that post jd - ants crushed underfoot!
And jd, tigger, my hint in an earlier post (not certain it came up will check) was that someone not in agreement with the whole thing was leaving subtle 'clues' for those few they knew would look.....

Yep they don't care about us in the slightest and they see us as the lowest form of life. Not a nice thought I know but this is what they think and believe. To pull of 9/11 & 7/7 stunts just shows what psychopaths they really are...and the real power of the media in fooling everyone

This is one of the best documentaries around, and anyone who still believes that Al Queada was behind 9/11 should watch and ask themselves the questions raised in this documentary. If we had an honest media that we 'think we have, then these kind of documentaries would be aired and not ones that promote it was Islamic Terrorist. Without an enemy, these psychopaths can't pursue their real hidden agenda. this is why the CIA created Al Queada/Islamic terror, now resurfacing again as they continue onto the next stage. Everything they do they 'justify' with the terror excuse. Without this they can't achieve their NWO goals

Perfectly put jd.
Its a very similar story to Bin Laden's 'capture' - don't believe it. Not a bit.
As far as 'terror' goes, we should feel 'terror' at our Governments actions, not a few poor Muslim patsies
I've always said NO WAY could these people steal four planes at the exact same time and do what they were supposed to do.
The whole thing scares and saddens me (and I don't mean a Muslim with a rucksack).
NWO is well underway

I am one of the sheeples and until recently I've accepted 9/11 as true. I've never even thought to question its authenticity. Perhaps it's because I don't want to believe that such evil exists. I am always willing to say 'tut....conspiracy theories...tut' but there is now a conscious part of me, nagging me to see that such evil can and possibly does exist on an unimaginable scale for an ordinary person such as myself to comprehend. I still don't want to believe it - like a child sticking my fingers in my ears and singing 'I can't hear you'.

That's the way I feel too - about not wanting to think that such evil exists.

Much as I would like to believe the official stories of 9/11 and 7/7, it's impossible to do so when faced with the evidence that they cannot be true.

They aren't the only well-publicised story that comes into that category of course.

I'm just watching the video link "9/11 in plane site" - very interesting.

Some good information on the video about the crash at the Pentagon and the comparatively unreported one in a field in Pennsylvania. I didn't know that there was a news story (quickly whooshed) that the last plane had landed safely after reports of a bomb on board.

In both cases there was nothing found of either the planes or their passengers. I accept that sadly there wouldn't be much left of the latter but for the planes themselves to disintegrate totally is I believe totally impossible.

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:Some good information on the video about the crash at the Pentagon and the comparatively unreported one in a field in Pennsylvania. I didn't know that there was a news story (quickly whooshed) that the last plane had landed safely after reports of a bomb on board.

In both cases there was nothing found of either the planes or their passengers. I accept that sadly there wouldn't be much left of the latter but for the planes themselves to disintegrate totally is I believe totally impossible.

This is an interesting summary of Flight 93 - The 9/11 Passenger Paradox: What happened to Flight  93

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/03/15/the-911-passenger-paradox-what-happened-to-flight-93/


I'd never really believed the theory of digital planes being used for the images we saw of the planes crashing into the towers. But looking into this more deeply, I must say there is a real case for it. When I think about it, there are only a few select 'live' photos of the 2nd plane hitting the tower and it does seem to be very media controlled. Plus the images are not consistent, as in some buildings have moved, or disappeared, crystal blue skies, foggy looking skies, or even Manhatten skyline disappears on Fox News "real time" footage! Clearly there is a big manipulation of the images and its only when you look at them closely and compare that you realise it


This video is a great illustration of how easy creating a plane hitting can be done with the footage that CNN broadcasted

When a jet plane crashes in the real world they explode upon impact and break apart. They do not seamlessly glide into a steel and reinforced concrete building without a spark or bent wing tip. CNN credited the well know video footage of United Flight 175 crashing into the World Trade Center South Tower to California diamond merchant Michael Hezarkhani Also, when comparing images of the 2nd plane hitting, you can see many many discrepancies. Here are a few samples, look at things like the buildings around (that are there or disappeared for example), the level of smoke (some covers just the top of the towers, some is half way down the tower), distance apart or close together of the towers etc. The fact there is no continuity in actuality should make people raise questions on what we are being shown

Another thing I hear so little about is plane nr. 1. 

Nobody saw a plane. There are no records of people hearing a plane approach as far as I know (although suggestion can do a lot in that direction). 

I've not seen any suggestion yet - ( expect there is plenty on this) that the first 'plane' was simply a well-placed explosion. This would also allow for a plane-shaped hole to appear as and where needed.

Tigger, there was no "live" coverage of plane 1 but it was caught on film by a French film crew and released the next day, I think.
 
Interestingly, the documentary which was being made about a New York fire station was shown in full some time later and fire crews were seen arriving at the tower within minutes. Bearing in mind that the point of impact of the plane was some 80 floors up, the ground floor reception area looked - literally - as if a bomb had hit it.

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:Tigger, there was no "live" coverage of plane 1 but it was caught on film by a French film crew and released the next day, I think.
 
Interestingly, the documentary which was being made about a New York fire station was shown in full some time later and fire crews were seen arriving at the tower within minutes. Bearing in mind that the point of impact of the plane was some 80 floors up, the ground floor reception area looked - literally - as if a bomb had hit it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXSmmlNTKtg

This is the very clip from that film. The noise heard is more like that of a missile, not an aircraft as the speed is too high. But there is absolute no capture of a plane or missile hitting the building. 
Noise not like an airplane and definitely not an airplane on the basis of the big hole in the building. Against the laws of physics. Aluminium does not penetrate a steel-framed building. 

So either a missile or an explosion is my take on it. Same shape of 'entry' hole as in the South Tower.

Here is a link to the entire film from the Naudet brothers.
 
http://www.firecritic.com/2009/09/19/911-naudet-film-in-its-entirety-online/

There can be no doubt that people died in this dreadful event - and I don't wish to denigrate them or their families in any way.

The problem is with the official story - it just can't have happened that way.

Totally agree jean, it could never have happened in this way, some pilots from a Florida small plane training centre, training to fly cesna's then commandeering a 747, ridiculous. No way in the world