9/ll conspiracy theories: How they've evolved

jd wrote:

Big Vern wrote: Oh how the governments wished everyone bought their nonsense as easily as you have.

I haven't read or seen anything to suggest to me otherwise, and I certainly do not believe that any western government (however corrupt they are) would smash 2 planes into sky scrapers killing thousands of people. I will watch the video though and see what it says. Now Diana and the McCanns are a different matter.......

That's the thing jd, people cannot believe that our governments can be so evil - they can't comprehend it. What we have to remember is these people (members of the elite) that pull the strings aren't like us, they are sociopaths/pyschopaths, they don't think or feel like the rest of us.

If you can believe that one of the worlds most famous iconic women, a member of the British royal family, wife/mother to the future king, can be taken out, why can't you take that next step and open your mind to the possibility that 9/11 & 7/7 were false flag attacks?

The World changed forever (& not for the better) on Sept 11th 2001. It ushered in the birth of a New World Order.

“We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the
right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order.” David Rockefeller

Big Vern wrote:http://julyseventh.co.uk/july-7-luton-kings-cross-train-times.html

Thanks Big Vern, not seen that before.

jd wrote:

Big Vern wrote: Oh how the governments wished everyone bought their nonsense as easily as you have.

I haven't read or seen anything to suggest to me otherwise, and I certainly do not believe that any western government (however corrupt they are) would smash 2 planes into sky scrapers killing thousands of people. I will watch the video though and see what it says. Now Diana and the McCanns are a different matter.......

It makes no sense to believe that the Pentagon was a conspiracy but by the greatest coincidence the towers were an Al Quaida act of terrorism.
You will believe that Diana was murdered, (which was a bit of luck for the murderers, since if she'd worn a seat belt she'd be alive now) but not that the large number of coincidences on 7/7 can be ascribed to conspiracy. Well, it got us into the Iraq War, didn't it?
As for 9/11, I believed what I was told and what I saw on the TV screens. Until, one day in 2006 I heard about building 7. Which wasn't included in the report, which hadn't been widely reported. And I saw building 7 fall - in real time - at freefall speed. Which can only be done by controlled demolition, you cannot change the laws of physics. Then I saw the towers fall in other videos, also in free fall. Also impossible. There is such a thing as the moment of inertia, which means that each floor collapsing on another one, pauses for a second before collapsing again.

A standard airliner colliding with a building is like shooting a beer can from a canon against concrete. It does not go into a steel and concrete building like a knife through butter. There is a website of pilots for 9/11 truth.

Although almost the only technical evidence trotted out by the powers that be is from 'Popular Mechanics", I'm more inclined to believe the Engineers and Scientists for 9/11.
I could go on, but what we saw wasn't possible. Besides, they weren't airliners at all, one plane had no windows and the first plane? Nobody saw it. Probably a missile like the one that hit the Pentagon.

Compared to the 9/11 and 7/7 myths, the McCann story looks rock solid, and we all know that's not so.
By the way, Fukushima is the worst disaster that has ever happened to humanity as a whole, don't see a whole lot about that either do we?
It's probably going to do for population control what the black death did in the 14th C and there is nothing we can do about it.

tigger wrote:
By the way, Fukushima is the worst disaster that has ever happened to humanity as a whole, don't see a whole lot about that either do we?
It's probably going to do for population control what the black death did in the 14th C and there is nothing we can do about it.

Oh yes! We have yet to see the full consequences of Fukushima, but here's a small indication; expect to see more of these headlines in the future. Depopulation is the name of the game.

Millions stop smoking yet drastic increase in global cancer rates? Doesn't make sense does it?
Global cancer cases rise 20 per cent in a decade to hit 12million a year


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2034746/Global-cancer-cases-rise-20-cent-decade.html#ixzz1XSFdayCc

I can understand how people find it hard to believe that anyone other than a handful of deranged nutcases could have been responsible for 9/11 and 7/7, amongst other atrocities. Nobody wants to think that those in authority are capable of such things. As with Madeleine, once I started looking into one oddity after another, I knew that something was very wrong. In the case of 7/7, it was the news that the "bombers" could not have got to London in time to set off the train bombs and that the CCTV image of them together at Luton Station was clearly faked (it makes those dodgy photos of Madeleine look good) that started my quest for more information.



I'm not quite sure now which of the many oddities with 9/11 started me off, possibly the information that mobile phones don't work above a certain altitude so how could those famous calls from passengers have been made? I did know about the collapse of Building 7 right at the start and here's a link to an interesting clip where the BBC reported its collapse too early. It's still standing to the right and rear of the female reporter.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7SwOT29gbc



P.S. Here's another link to a clip re the 7/7 "bombers".



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpAvVv6DPyQ&feature=fvsr

We are cattle, they are Gods.

Hey PeterMac, one of my favourite Latin quotes: quod licet Iovi, non licet bovi.
That which is allowed to the Gods, is not allowed to cattle.

The one common factor is : Arrogance.

We must understand that they really, really despise us.

JD, here's an existing topic which can be used for 9/11 comments. I'm certainly interested in what you have to say.

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:JD, here's an existing topic which can be used for 9/11 comments. I'm certainly interested in what you have to say.

Thanks NFWTD.....I didn't know this topic existed, even though I contributed to it!!!!

jd on Fri Sep 09, 2011 10:46 am

I don't know if I am going against the trend here, but I don't think there is any conspiracy with 9/11. Except for the Pentagon, but then the US would not want images of their most sacred building having a massive hole in it beamed across the world. I believe the US always knew of the threat of 9/11, but never believed they would actually go through with it. I don't think there is any conspiracy with 7/7 either

This is what I had always thought until about 6 months ago...My god, how times have changed!........ (one) Eyes Wide Open now! This is what being able to communicate via the internet can achieve....and what the governments want to stop!

jd wrote:

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:JD, here's an existing topic which can be used for 9/11 comments. I'm certainly interested in what you have to say.

Thanks NFWTD.....I didn't know this topic existed, even though I contributed to it!!!!

jd on Fri Sep 09, 2011 10:46 am

I don't know if I am going against the trend here, but I don't think there is any conspiracy with 9/11. Except for the Pentagon, but then the US would not want images of their most sacred building having a massive hole in it beamed across the world. I believe the US always knew of the threat of 9/11, but never believed they would actually go through with it. I don't think there is any conspiracy with 7/7 either

This is what I had always thought until about 6 months ago...My god, how times have changed!........ (one) Eyes Wide Open now! This is what being able to communicate via the internet can achieve....and what the governments want to stop!

@ JD - more or less the same for me, they knew about it and let it happen. I wasn't conditioned by the endless repeats of the plane flying into the building and had little interest in it until I saw building 7 fall.
In the first place I'd never heard about building 7, it's not in the report either and it's the two towers that were always the topic of conversation etc.
So then I had two questions: How could a building fall in free-fall without having been hit?
Why wasn't it talked about and why wasn't it in the official report?

Then I saw a real-time collapse of the towers - then the internet, scientists, pilots and so on, all said the same. Impossible.

I must admit JD that I'm gobsmacked that you only realised something was amiss six months ago!

http://www.ae911truth.org

This site was set up by professionals like architects and engineers who can't accept that buildings could collapse as they did on 9/11.

tigger wrote:

@ JD - more or less the same for me, they knew about it and let it happen. I wasn't conditioned by the endless repeats of the plane flying into the building and had little interest in it until I saw building 7 fall.
In the first place I'd never heard about building 7, it's not in the report either and it's the two towers that were always the topic of conversation etc.
So then I had two questions: How could a building fall in free-fall without having been hit?
Why wasn't it talked about and why wasn't it in the official report?

Then I saw a real-time collapse of the towers. Impossible and a whole new vat of worms.

At the time I stupidly gave our governments the benefit of the doubt. I picked up immediately the oddness of george bush staying in that classroom after being told, but convinced myself this is because he was shocked as he had been warned and never believed that they would actually carry it out (I didn't know he was teaching the kids "kite plane must hit steel" at that time). I was also perplexed by tony bliars speech he gave at the Trade Union conference almost immediately, that went on for nearly half an hour going on & on about terror and Islam and the war on terror etc. I kept thinking there is no way he could make such a speech like he did off the top of his head, unless this was prepared. But still I ignored it, my gut feelings!

I can fully understand why people don't want to believe the truth, but you look into the facts, and the truth is all but clear...and not a truth anybody wishes to be living under

Building 7 is the most obvious controlled demolition you can see. Straight down in a line (so are the towers). Just shows the sheer power of the government/media that they can spin absolutely anything and make it believable

I used to read PILOTS FOR TRUTH,for a long time it was a most amazing lot of clever people that could prove so much ,how planes can and can not turn etc ,i have stopped reading now ,it just was so much more than a blog ,it was one of proffessionals that knew so much about the techy of what was possable and not joyce1938

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:I must admit JD that I'm gobsmacked that you only realised something was amiss six months ago!

http://www.ae911truth.org

This site was set up by professionals like architects and engineers who can't accept that buildings could collapse as they did on 9/11.

I am at myself too!! I guess I never really looked into it properly until more recently, same with Maddie a few years ago, and took things more at face value even though things did not add up and seemed odd. Being able to research has so woken me up to the actual world we live in. I was more consumed by other things that kept my mind away from researching, I can see clearly now how cunning the TPTB are by keeping the publics mind away & absorbed into things like sports, reality shows, celebrity etc.

I totally agree those buildings could not collapse the way they did to the official story. Defies the laws of physics. I think the 'dust' clouds is a big clue

This 1 min video just says it all

Well its seems I have a lot of video's to watch, I thought that Woolwich wasn't all that it seemed to be,now I have come across this thread,thanks to you all who are brave enough to put your thoughts here even though you could be called nutters.

joyce1938 wrote:I used to read PILOTS FOR TRUTH,for a long time it was a most amazing lot of clever people that could prove so much ,how planes can and can not turn etc ,i have stopped reading now ,it just was so much more than a blog ,it was one of proffessionals that knew so much about the techy of what was possable and not joyce1938

Pilots for truth also identified at least two of the planes that supposedly crashed into the towers. Because no planes hit those towers or the Pentagon-
this is quite an interesting video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIfMw7mEDNk I thought was quite good.
Unter Falsche Flagge (there is one with English subtitles) is also excellent and has commentary from an ex-minister of Germany.

tigger wrote:

joyce1938 wrote:I used to read PILOTS FOR TRUTH,for a long time it was a most amazing lot of clever people that could prove so much ,how planes can and can not turn etc ,i have stopped reading now ,it just was so much more than a blog ,it was one of proffessionals that knew so much about the techy of what was possable and not joyce1938

Pilots for truth also identified at least two of the planes that supposedly crashed into the towers. Because no planes hit those towers or the Pentagon-
this is quite an interesting video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIfMw7mEDNk I thought was quite good.
Unter Falsche Flagge (there is one with English subtitles) is also excellent and has commentary from an ex-minister of Germany.

This is the documentary I was referring to in another topic....Brilliant video. You can't dispute the TV coverage! I wonder if they've found the backdrop of Manhattan yet!!

The other one http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/the-power-of-nightmares/ is also excellent. Interesting here that in 1976 how Rumsfeld (the then defence secretary) with dick cheney were trying to set up the Russians. And at the same time those reference posters came out of 9/11....Then low and behold who comes back into office at the start of 2001...and ends up running the aftermath of 9/11 and onto the war in Iraq...Oh yes...Rumsfled and dick cheney!!!

Just a few samples, there are lots of them all over the internet.....



Spider-Man Comic 1991


Viceland Magazine Article 1994


Philips TV Advert 1996




Trade Center Defender Game Early 2001


Magazine Cover March 2001


Airpop Song Compilation Album March 2001


Johnny Bravo April 2001


Bouncing Souls Album Cover May 2001


The Coup’s “Party Music” album cover finished June 2001


Flexon Ad August 2001








Dream Theater - Live Scenes From New York
Released September 11, 2001




Out of the Loop (I Am the World Trade Center album) is the debut album by American synthpop duo I Am the World Trade Center, released on July 17, 2001

Track listing.....
11. "September" – 3:31


The oculus art work in the WTC

Not seen this topic before but I have to say that never, no way, no how did I EVER believe that 9/11 was a 'terrorist act' orchestrated by a physically ailing beardy man in a cave!!!
I was heavily pregnant with my second and remember it happening 'live' on TV and All I could think was 'this is NOT happening' - not in a shocked sense, just 'wrong'. The plane was all wrong.
But the clincher was the lady reporter stating that T7 had 'just collapsed' 20 mins or so before it did.
I've not looked too far into 7/7 though I never believed that either. I will research it more now.
9/11, 7/7, Diana, Kennedy, Grace Kelly - all 'wrong'. PT '07, most definitely 'wrong'.
And hey jd - it may have taken time but welcome to conspiraloon nuthouse! Its good here!

ETA: watched '9/11 10 Years On' - if EVER I was going to waver, the dead, blank, 'it is done' look in Bush's eyes when 'allegedly' told 'America is under attack' (more like 'It's done, Sire!'), would be enough to refocus me. It was the first time I'd ever seen that footage and it chilled me to the bone. That was a man who KNEW and EXPECTED. (IMO of course )

I'm not convinced myself that Georgie Boy was in the know. He wasn't the brightest star in the sky - to put it very mildly - and was I think a pawn in the hands of others.

A short video which gives credence to the belief that this was not an unexpected event.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4H1IpZiEx-c

Alarms bells go off every time it's announced far too early what happened and who was responsible.

I agree with you entirely. On receiving the news, Bush immediately fluffed his lines - having seen the first plane flying into the tower. There was no recording of that at all.
No doubt he knew about it, but had to leave the details to others. Now Donnie Rumsfelt - he knew all about it, had breakfast at the far end of the Pentagon and instead of doing his job after the impact, he spent about an hour helping the ambulance men, holding drips and so on. It can be seen in the video I mentioned before https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PG_N7h2J6Lo
Subtitled in English. Also very interesting information about Gladio. The Bologna bombing will help people put Sandy Hook (gone very quiet there?) and Boston into perspective. It's an old trick.

9/11 must have been a very lucky event financially speaking. All the Enron papers were allegedly in building 7. Papers pertaining to several trillion dollars found to be missing from the defence budget went up in flames as the missile hit the accounts department. It's a tough life.

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:I'm not convinced myself that Georgie Boy was in the know. He wasn't the brightest star in the sky - to put it very mildly - and was I think a pawn in the hands of others.

A short video which gives credence to the belief that this was not an unexpected event.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4H1IpZiEx-c

Alarms bells go off every time it's announced far too early what happened and who was responsible.

Oh I'm sure George didn't organise the thing (can you imagine??? Its an obvious 'bad inside job' as it is!
But the dead eyes - like a shark (haven't we heard THAT somewhere before!?!), tell me that he KNEW. No shock. If it were most people, even if not to frighten the children there would be a flicker of "Oh, hell" in there. Bushy - nothing. But then I guess there's not much there anyway

There are so many clips of George Bush showing what an idiot he is; this short one is a favourite of mine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kz4uFYEwY7c

That is funny NFWTD. Looks like he couldn't understand the question let alone answer it. And to think Bliar was called his poodle. Yo Blair.

plebgate wrote:That is funny NFWTD. Looks like he couldn't understand the question let alone answer it. And to think Bliar was called his poodle. Yo Blair.

Speaking of the Yo Blair poodle....

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2314821/Together-Tony-Blair-George-W-Bush-reunited-opening-Presidents-library.html

rainbow-fairy wrote:Not seen this topic before but I have to say that never, no way, no how did I EVER believe that 9/11 was a 'terrorist act' orchestrated by a physically ailing beardy man in a cave!!!
I was heavily pregnant with my second and remember it happening 'live' on TV and All I could think was 'this is NOT happening' - not in a shocked sense, just 'wrong'. The plane was all wrong.
But the clincher was the lady reporter stating that T7 had 'just collapsed' 20 mins or so before it did.
I've not looked too far into 7/7 though I never believed that either. I will research it more now.
9/11, 7/7, Diana, Kennedy, Grace Kelly - all 'wrong'. PT '07, most definitely 'wrong'.
And hey jd - it may have taken time but welcome to conspiraloon nuthouse! Its good here!

ETA: watched '9/11 10 Years On' - if EVER I was going to waver, the dead, blank, 'it is done' look in Bush's eyes when 'allegedly' told 'America is under attack' (more like 'It's done, Sire!'), would be enough to refocus me. It was the first time I'd ever seen that footage and it chilled me to the bone. That was a man who KNEW and EXPECTED. (IMO of course )

I finally got out of Tesco's RF!! I see your handywork in the ASDA topic

Sometimes I think how did I never notice any of this before, its been staring at us for decades and when you realise, then you see it everywhere & understand the real world we are living in. There are hundreds of 9/11 premonitions of planes hitting the towers before it happened. From films, music, comics, elite companies...just everywhere its quite staggering when you first wake up (and the one-eye, triangle/pyramid)

Also cunningly giving hints with NY souvenirs:




This one is very clever
Supertramp: Breakfast In America Album Cover

Album came out in 1979. 9/11 was served with breakfast...not to mention the everyday fight for freedom: "Breakfast In America." Orange juice = fireball...You are looking out of the window of a plane, she is showing the target.

Talking of that idiot Bush....He was told of the attacks whilst teaching the kids the words "kite plane must hit steel"!! Then "The Pet Goat"!! And how could the man who informs Bush of the attacks have relayed all the info in less than 2 seconds!


Then a few weeks later Bush says when he first found out he was 'outside' the classroom and saw it on TV! As you can see on the above video, he was inside the classroom teaching what happened! the TV was not "obviously" on! Can you take a close look at this video when the camera pans up to the first plane hitting the tower.....Do you see a plane hitting it? The plane should be emerging from the yellow/brown brick building on the right but I can't see it....Just an explosion on the tower. Where is the plane?




Open Microsoft Word and do the following:
1. Type in capitals 'Q33 NY'. This is (allegedly) the flight number of the first plane to hit one of the Twin Towers.
2. Highlight the 'Q33 NY'.
3. Change the font size to 48.
4. Change the actual font to WINGDINGS

That 33 number too!

If you look at this footage frame by frame....The plane only appears just before it hits the tower. You do not see it emerging from the yellow/brown brick building on the right

The two 7/7 documentaries to watch are:

Ripple Effect 2....Refrain yourself on seeing Peter Power having a chuckle when it was brought up on ITV that a mock drill of the same event was happening at the very same time of the actual tube bombs, where people had just been killed. Also note what happens to a policeman (in Yorkshire) who dares to question the official story
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwyzpzEgUWE

Seeds of Destruction
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6Vfnn3YZXw

jd, I've missed you!

Yes hauled my sorry butt out of the supermarket long enough to post again

Thanks for all those links and I loveWingdings! I have loads of fun with that - I'm easily pleased! I'll have to look at all those in the library tomorrow as I'm strictly back on the blackberry again, but they sound very interesting.

What scares me more than psychopathic leaders (I've always known they were there!), is those so blind they will not see. I don't include you in that, its people who carry on believing the c**p they are fed. Ok, so this one slipped you by for a while (that did surprise me a little like it did NFWTD) BUT you got to the truth.
Its these rednecks (and not just Americans ) who believe the nonsense. Its a bit like watching Derren Brown and insisting what he does is real!

The term 'conspiracy theorist' was coined to be used in a derogatory manner to frighten people into not asking questions about official matters that are 'beyond the pale'. I posted an article from www.rense.com on here under the title 'Conspiracy Theorists - And What If We Are?' - a good read (or re-read) in light of all this. I actually LIKE being called a conspiraloon, as it proves (even if I'm wrong) I'm not a sheeple! As the article says, some events do NOT gain conspiracy theories, as the facts we are given match what we have seen. Conspiracies persist when the official story goes against all sense, all evidence, all we have seen - eg 9/11, 7/7, 3/05/07, Diana, Kennedy, likely Monroe....

On a random note, do you still have the same email address? I've not emailed you for a while BUT if you got an 'Invite to play Word Mole on your BlackBerry' , that was from my autistic son via my phne (have a different email, neither of the two you had work now... Another member here got one, I didn't realise what he'd done until I got a bemused email from other member!
I asked said son "did you send an invite to anyone else?" He said "Yes, jd" - you must of been in the email list. If he says he did then I can't think why he'd lie as he's not heard of you!!!

So yes, any weird random emails could have been from him