9/ll conspiracy theories: How they've evolved

Flight 93...




Now this is a plane crash..

Yep, you don't have to convince me about that. Plane crashes always leave some wreckage, quite often great chunks of it - yet somehow this one didn't......

George W. Bush and the Bin Laden Family, Meeting At Ritz Carlton Hotel, NYC, One Day Before 9/11

According to the Washington Post,  the Carlyle Group met at the Ritz Carlton Hotel in NYC one day before 9/11. In attendance at this meeting were former president George H. W. Bush and  Shafiq bin Laden, the brother of Osama:

The Carlyle Group is a large private-equity investment firm, closely associated with officials of the Bush and Reagan administrations, and has considerable ties to Saudi oil money, including ties to the bin Laden family.

This morning [September 10, 2001] it is holding its annual investor conference at the Ritz Carlton hotel in Washington, DC. Among the guests of honor is investor Shafig bin Laden, brother of Osama bin Laden. [Observer, 6/16/2002; London Times, 5/8/2003] Former President George H. W. Bush, who makes speeches on behalf of the Carlyle Group and is also senior adviser to its Asian Partners fund [Wall Street Journal, 9/27/2001] , attended the conference the previous day, but is not there today (see (8:00 a.m.) September 11, 2001). [Washington Post, 3/16/2003]



This CBC documentary focusses on the relationship between former President George W. Bush and the bin Laden family.

jd wrote:

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:Hmmm...there's very believable information elsewhere that he died in December 2001!

I know and which is most likely to be true. At the moment there is a game being played, like with Snowdown

Bin Laden thrown off a boat, caught for speeding etc is just laughable. They really do think people are thick to believe all this c***. As laughable as the passport that survived the plane crash, explosions, fires and tower controlled demolition....yet the passport floated onto a NY street!!! Priceless...as is the 'plane crashes' into the pentagon and shanksville which left zero wreckage!!

It is said that Benazie Bhuto was killed because she had stated openly and is on record as saying that Bin Laden was dead.

Yes there are reports of Ms Bhutto saying that he had been killed.
 
I heard that his death was as the result of kidney failure.
 
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1212851/Has-Osama-Bin-Laden-dead-seven-years--U-S-Britain-covering-continue-war-terror.html

It is the Daily Mail but don't let that put you off. It's only the Madeleine story that has turned previously sensible journalists into brainwashed idiots.

I was just thinking of the enormous caves, with tanks, rocket-launchers and all mod cons that Bin Laden was supposed to be living in. I also remember a very cheesed-off British Brigadier saying that all they'd found was the odd goat sheltering in one of the caves. It was clear that he'd decided that it was a totally made up story. I'll see if I can find Donny Rumsfelt giving this story to the press. Was worth keeping.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGhGHxw0mSo

I was going to say you couldn't make it up, but someone has.

I'm not sure which is sillier - this or Donal Macintyre's report.

Rumsfeld (with dick cheney as his sidekick) was the US Defence Secretary in 1976, when they started to promote 9/11...Move forward to 3 or 4 Presidents later...Both Rumsfeld and Cheney suddenly out of the blue came back to office in early 2001 (What a coincidence) and then proceeded to take control of all events from 9/11 to the invasion in Iraq.....Doesn't take much to figure

Nor the fact that the Bush's have been involved in one way or other on all the historic events

Man sentenced to jail for collecting rainwater in Oregon

An Oregon man is expected to spend a month in jail after being convicted on nine misdemeanor charges related to his illegal use of…water. Gary Harrington was sentenced after being found guilty of illegally collecting water on his own rural property.

Authorities say that Harrington broke the law by collecting natural rain water and snow runoff that landed on his property.

http://www.antigmofoods.com/2013/07/man-sentenced-to-jail-for-collecting.html

Despite reading from an auto cue...Syrian girl is spot on.....There are only 3 countries that do not have a Rothschild state owned bank....Syria, Iran and North Korea...The very countries our leaders are desperate to invade. Doesn't take much to figure

jd wrote:Rumsfeld (with dick cheney as his sidekick) was the US Defence Secretary in 1976, when they started to promote 9/11...Move forward to 3 or 4 Presidents later...Both Rumsfeld and Cheney suddenly out of the blue came back to office in early 2001 (What a coincidence) and then proceeded to take control of all events from 9/11 to the invasion in Iraq.....Doesn't take much to figure

Nor the fact that the Bush's have been involved in one way or other on all the historic events

Here is the clip of Rumsfelt promoting the idea of the Caves big enough to drive tanks into... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGhGHxw0mSo

I read once that Rumsfelt sold chemical weapons to Saddam, to use against Iran. The fact that Saddam had used those was allegedly one of the reasons the US invaded the first time.

The caves are as hilarious as Bin laden being stopped for speeding! Bush could have sorted the speeding fine out while he was having breakfast with the Bin laden's the morning before 9/11! I think rumsfeld is describing his own deep caves that are in the US. The US are arming the rebels to do their dirty job in order they can take the country for their masters..Been a common consistent factor with the real owners of the world...bankers, energy/drugs & food companies under their ideology of a one world they will totally control. Most of the world population are watching them do it without realising

They will take Syria soon (using the MSM to spout lies to justify their actions) and then onto Iran, their ultimate goal...

Iran and The Rothschild Banking Cartel

The Rothschild banking empire has been expanding throughout the world since the the mid 18th and into the early 19th century, especially after the senior member, Nathan Mayer, gambled on the outcome of the Battle of Waterloo, which he won due to deliberate manipulation of the news from the front, assisted by his brother in France. He made a killing and instantly became the largest and wealthiest banker in all of Britain and of Europe. He lost no time in sending his sons to all the most powerful and advanced European countries to set up banks. This was the beginning of one of the worlds most powerful financial empires. But not everything was rosy in history.

There were setbacks, notably during the Russian Revolution and then in 1979 under the Iranian theocratic revolution. Lately there was a setback in Iceland. Today, the Rothschild empire is excluded from three known countries and Iran is one of them. There is speculation about their continued existence in Iceland. But in June 1979, when the Ayatollah Khomeini seized power, the banks were nationalized and foreign influences were driven out. This included the Rothschild banking cartel. As backward as the new regime was in almost all other matters, at least they got the banking thing right! Islam forbids loan making at interest and thus, Khomeini was fulfilling the requirements of Islam. It stands to this day when international sanctions are being brought to bear on Iran.

Iran is one of three countries along with Cuba and N. Korea that do not have a registered Rothschild bank. All three countries are under sanction and condemned as rouge nations with terrorist links by the leading corporatist and oligarchs of the world. Libya used to be another stronghold that did not have a Rothschild bank as Libya could be described as a secular Islamist state, until of course, it was invaded and smashed by the UN alliance of US, Britain, the EU and other participants. Russia and China, though putting up a naval show, did virtually nothing but observe. Libya now has a Rothschild branch in Tripoli, now that Muammar Gaddafi has been “surgically removed” in 2011.

The well developed country under the “dictator” was built on interest free loans, something unheard of in most of the world and something required under Islam. It is also one of the major issues in the Christian Bible, but it is ignored by the power and financial elite and the masses are almost completely ignorant of it. Not so in many Muslim nations that tend to fundamental Islam, until of course they are smashed by invasion and the invaders set up a banking system with interest backed loans.

The pressure is on Iran to buckle under sanction to either voluntarily accept a Rothschild branch as in the pre-June 1979 era, or to be invaded and have the demand enforced. As in the case of Libya, Russia and China are critical to make a show, but no world war erupted out of the Libya conflict as both Russia and China are managed by a Rothschild financial enclave. Since the collapse of the USSR, the Rothschild cartel has had a major office in Moscow. They also have branches in Hong Kong and Beijing. Russia used to have sanctions as did China, but now there is heavy investment by the west in both countries even as the economies of the west collapsed. World war will come out of Iran if and only if the Rothschild banking cartel deems it profitable to have such a conflict to increase their fortunes even more. As the current situation of saturated markets exist, in order for new companies to be successful, old markets have to be destroyed and the once existing infrastructure is redeveloped with loans at interest. There are three flashpoints right now, being N. Korea, Cuba and Iran. The hottest one presently appears to be Iran with a war going on in Syria next door with increasing intervention by imperialist adventurism by the UN and its backers. Iran is resource rich and the Rothschild empire would love to add this to their portfolio of riches as they had in the past, but lost to a revolution, no matter how ill conceived this fundamentalist theocratic exercise in medievalist ideology was in all other fronts.

The elite are not shy of using a dumbed down form of religion for control and direction. Christianity in the context of the Bible condemns the use of interest on moneys and foods as does the Koran, but the difference is, that Islam still holds close to this injunction against usury whereas Christianity virtually ignores it, focusing on sex sins instead. The lesson has been learned a long time ago by the elite that in order to move the masses in their favor, they have to use religious forms and dress their secular programs in “holy” garb. As the masses have been brought up under religious ideology, the use of the same to move them is effective. An appeal to faith of the ignorant and propagandized masses is enough to get most of them to fight in a war, where the victor gets the spoils and the loser gets redeveloped at high interest on loans, which is the ultimate goal of a powerful and wealthy financier. Where all of this leads is very much based on the lessons learned through history and the maintaining of ignorance on the part of the majority. To keep things in place, anyone who dares to spill the truth can find themselves in deep trouble. The use of false flags with appropriate media cover is enough to win minions on the side of the one funding these operations. To effect this kind of manipulation, secrecy is sacrosanct. Misinformation and information are used in tandem in order to run this kind of economy of gain at the loss of many.

http://topinfopost.com/2013/07/09/iran-and-the-rothschild-banking-cartel

Pretty convincing.......

San Francisco Flight 214 Hoax



KTVU Flight 214 Fail (Original)

Confirmed Pilots' names aboard flight:
Sum Ting Wong
Wi Tu Lo
Ho Lee Fuk
Bang Ding Ow



Read the story here*
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-tv-station-asiana-pilots-20130712,0,3923067.story

Very bizarre I must agree. What on earth would have been the motive for the hoax, if that's what it was?

No blaming imaginary terrorists as an excuse for invading a country where the supposed mastermind was hiding out in caves.

Trayvon Fake - 'Trayvon Martin' Never Existed - An Agitation Propaganda Exercise

"It's interesting that people believe even though there is no evidence that this event happened. It seems that people will believe anything if someone in a suit (on MSM) tells that it happened."



The fake Woolwich was designed to create divide & conquer, just as this was in the States

If a topic was set up for incidents, murders or whatever that really happened the way we were told, it would be an extremely short one!

I still can't get over how those silly fake Chinese names (of the San Francisco airline crew) were ever taken seriously and read out on air.

I doubt there'd be more than one post! They read out those names because TPTB are taking the absolute p*** out of the population and laughing at everyone

Trayvon Martin’s (fake) "Dad" is a ‘Grand Master’ Freemason! Notice the 'G' on his hat

Iran is one of three countries along with Cuba and N. Korea that do not have a registered Rothschild bank

Notice this story in todays news....Are we building up...

Panama: Cuba 'Owns' North Korean Ship Arms

Cuba fails to mention where the weapons found buried under thousands of sacks of sugar on a North Korean ship were destined for.

http://news.sky.com/story/1116716/panama-cuba-owns-north-korean-ship-arms

Read what is coming...Dismiss it at your peril. All the quotes below are from the ones who are not only in power but own our world. They own our money, they own our energy, they own our food, they own the MSM...everything. Read what they are saying which has been proven ten fold. Especially the Rothschild/Rockerfellar's. Use your brain to understand why they have created all the false flags like 9/11, 7/7, Boston, Sandy Hook, Woolwich, Zimmerman etc Look at United Nations & NATO...Look up at the skies every day and see the chemicals they are spraying onto all NATO countries each day, aluminium and Barium. The past 3 days have been exceptionally bad of spraying, wonder why there is a lack of oxygen then look into the skies and watch the spraying. This is not a joke

Read this   http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-23166839

Look at the air you are all breathing...Watch the planes stripping this down every day



“In the next century, nations as we know it will be obsolete; all states will recognize a single, global authority. National sovereignty wasn’t such a great idea after all.”

- Strobe Talbot, President Clinton’s Deputy Secretary of State, as quoted in Time, July 20th, 1992.



2. “The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of “liberalism” they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without knowing how it happened.”

- Norman Thomas, for many years U.S. Socialist Presidential candidate.



3. “Today the path of total dictatorship in the United States can be laid by strictly legal means, unseen and unheard by the Congress, the President, or the people. Outwardly we have a Constitutional government. We have operating within our government and political system, another body representing another form of government – a bureaucratic elite.”

- Senator William Jenner, 1954



4. “We are grateful to the Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries.”

- David Rockefeller, Baden-Baden, Germany 1991



5. “The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the larger centers has owned the Government ever since the days of Andrew Jackson.”

- A letter written by FDR to Colonel House, November 21st, 1933



6. “The depression was the calculated ‘shearing’ of the public by the World Money powers, triggered by the planned sudden shortage of supply of call money in the New York money market….The One World Government leaders and their ever close bankers have now acquired full control of the money and credit machinery of the U.S. via the creation of the privately owned Federal Reserve Bank.”

- Curtis Dall, FDR’s son-in-law as quoted in his book, My Exploited Father-in-Law



7. “The New Deal is plainly an attempt to achieve a working socialism and avert a social collapse in America; it is extraordinarily parallel to the successive ‘policies’ and ‘Plans’ of the Russian experiment. Americans shirk the word ‘socialism’, but what else can one call it?”

- H.G. Wells The New World Order 1939



8. “Ultimately, our objective is to welcome the Soviet Union back into the world order. Perhaps the world order of the future will truly be a family of nations.”

- President George Bush Texas A&M University 1989



9. “Under Socialism you would not be allowed to be poor. You would be forcibly fed, clothed, lodged, taught, and employed whether you liked it or not. If it were discovered that you had not the character and industry enough to be worth all this trouble, you might possibly be executed in a kindly manner. . . .”

- Fabian Socialist Bernard Shaw in his Intelligent Woman’s Guide to Socialism and Capitalism, 1928.



10. “We are moving toward a new world order, the world of communism. We shall never turn off that road.”

- Mikhail Gorbachev 1987



11. “National Socialism will use its own revolution for establishing of a new world order.”

- Adolf Hitler during World War II



12. “I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated governments in the civilized world. No longer a government by free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men.”

- President Woodrow Wilson 1916



13. “It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning.”

– Henry Ford



14. “The drive of the Rockefellers and their allies is to create a one-world government combining super capitalism and Communism under the same tent, all under their control…. Do I mean conspiracy? Yes I do. I am convinced there is such a plot, international in scope, generations old in planning, and incredibly evil in intent.”

– Congressman Larry P. McDonald, 1976, killed in the Korean Airlines 747 that was shot down by the Soviets



15. “Some even believe we (the Rockefeller family) are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as ‘internationalists’ and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure – one world, if you will. If that’s the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it.”

– David Rockefeller, Memoirs, page 405



16. “It is the system of nationalist individualism that has to go….We are living in the end of the sovereign states….In the great struggle to evoke a Westernized World Socialism, contemporary governments may vanish….Countless people…will hate the new world order….and will die protesting against it.”

– H.G. Wells, in his book, “The New World Order”, 1940



17. “To achieve world government, it is necessary to remove from the minds of men their individualism, loyalty to family traditions, national patriotism, and religious dogmas.”

– Brock Adams, Director UN Health Organization



18. “We need a program of psychosurgery for political control of our society. The purpose is physical control of the mind. Everyone who deviates from the given norm can be surgically mutilated. The individual may think that the most important reality is his own existence, but this is only his personal point of view. . . Man does not have the right to develop his own mind. . . . We must electronically control the brain. Someday armies and generals will be controlled by electronic stimulation of the brain.”

- Dr. Jose M.R. Delgado, Director of Neuropsychiatry, Yale University Medical School, Congressional Record, No. 26, Vol. 118, February 24, 1974.



19. “One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order.”

- From The National Educator, K.M. Heaton



20. “We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order.”

– David Rockefeller



21. “No one will enter the New World Order unless he or she will make a pledge to worship Lucifer. No one will enter the New Age unless he will take a Luciferian Initiation.”

- David Spangler, Director of Planetary Initiative, United Nations[



22. “Today, America would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order. Tomorrow they will be grateful! This is especially true if they were told that there were an outside threat from beyond, whether real or promulgated, that threatened our very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will plead to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well-being granted to them by the World Government.”

- Dr. Henry Kissinger, Bilderberger Conference, Evians, France, 1991[/QUOTE]

Its irrelevant now, we are past the point. But to those who missed it, the Steve Jackson Illuminati card game from 1995 BEFORE all these events happened

Here are some of them....

9/11



BP Oil Spill
(BP Oil spill MSM photo)


3/11/04 Madrid, Spain bombings occurred EXACTLY 911 days after 9/11/01.....Madrid Bombing was Spain's 3/11.....The tsunami was Japans 3/11.......7 years later

Japan
(also look at the time on the clock)

Boston


Batman Shooting




Clinton
(Monica Lewinsky)
(Together she is holding the leash)

Lady Gaga



Whitney


Saddam


Al Gore


Chemtrails


Diana
(Note the paparazzi)

Woolwich

Putting aside the blatant obvious actor play, the false flag Woolwich "event" happened exactly 50 years to the week that the Beatles played Woolwich (now a cinema). One of their most famous songs "ELEANOR RIGBY" contained the lyrics "Waits at the window, wearing the face that she keeps in a jar by the door" i.e. headless body



Marilyn Monroe: = Queen of Diamonds = murdered

Princess Diana: = Queen of Hearts = murdered.

Elvis Presley = 'the King' - killed?

Michael Jackson = king of pop - killed

Its all a game by the ones who own the world...via money, food, water, energy, media, films, music. To quote Henry Kissinger one of the most illuminate puppets "Control oil and you control nations; control food and you control the people.(Monsanto = My Satan and GM crops is the food and why the US government passed a law that nobody can challenge Monsanto on anything. Look at Monsanto's history e.g. Vietnam Agent Orange spray to name one that killed the crops and maimed the people and yet the US are up in arms about Syria, just laughable). Look at what the US government did.... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2401378/Agent-Orange-Vietnamese-children-suffering-effects-herbicide-sprayed-US-Army-40-years-ago.html

Bill Gates the chosen one, a major shareholder of and a big believer in reducing the world population down to half a billion. When you understand the way they think & what they totally own.... it becomes so obvious






If you are still asleep .....

I'm reviving this topic for discussion on 9/11 as it's being mentioned elsewhere.

I have to say that some of the posts are a little whacky, in my opinion, so I hope that nobody will be put off by them.

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:I have to say that some of the posts are a little whacky, in my opinion, so I hope that nobody will be put off by them.

"Whacky" means that serious questions get buried alongside by association.

That's the way it works on the internet.

They employee people to cause argument, division and make "conspiracy theorists" look like cranks.

I really need to start reading the list of latest postings on threads. Only a few minutes ago I asked if there was a 9/11 thread, and was told politely that there was. To cut a long story short, THE THREAD WAS THERE RIGHT IN FRONT OF MY EYES.

I really should have gone to SPECSAVES!

Please will all the others who are still posting about 9/11 on the Anthony Summers topic also book an appointment at Specsavers?!

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:Please will all the others who are still posting about 9/11 on the Anthony Summers topic also book an appointment at Specsavers?!

Weak laughing :lol:

Can't wait to catch up on this thread, shocking that it happened, worse that buildings may have been rigged! You tube vid of a retired USA military airforce Marshall (I think) opens your eyes!
IMO 
Do I still use IMO here?

sallypelt wrote:I really need to start reading the list of latest postings on threads. Only a few minutes ago I asked if there was a 9/11 thread, and was told politely that there was. To cut a long story short, THE THREAD WAS THERE RIGHT IN FRONT OF MY EYES.

I really should have gone to SPECSAVES!

It would help if I could spell too

Write out 1000 times SPECSAVERS, SPECSAVERS, SPECSAVERS, SPECSAVERS, SPEzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzz

sallypelt wrote:

sallypelt wrote: I really need to start reading the list of latest postings on threads. Only a few minutes ago I asked if there was a 9/11 thread, and was told politely that there was. To cut a long story short, THE THREAD WAS THERE RIGHT IN FRONT OF MY EYES.

I really should have gone to SPECSAVES!

It would help if I could spell too  

Write out 1000 times SPECSAVERS, SPECSAVERS, SPECSAVERS, SPECSAVERS, SPEzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzz

 You remind me of........... ME! 

I'm sure I've posted the English subtitled version of 'Unter Falscher Flagge'  

But here is a link to a blog which has a link to the English version.

http://911blogger.com/node/14050

The most pertinent and clearly  narrated documentary on 9/11 imo. Ex ministers, real experts and starting with 'Gladius'  the false flag arm of the NATO countries after  WWII.  

The Bologna station bombing in the 80's was a right wing false flag to blame the red brigade. That is on record by those who ordered it.
So why is it so hard to believe that 9/11 was according to the official story?
I believed it more or less untill some 4 years later when I saw a clip of the buildings falling.  Freefall, impossible.
You can't mess with the laws of physics. So then I started looking at the many documentaries. A very good one was whooshed very quickly, but plenty of others were good. However. The questions posed in the above link are not often heard.

The air traffic controller who was on duty was the same one on duty when an Egypt Air plane crashed in the Atlantic. Which was blamed on a pilot. A large number of top military were on board. Coincidence perhaps, but this same controller a few years layer thinks it's perfectly OK to keep asking for a plane to ID itself for up to 40 mins. Twice, when all instructions in such a case require him to sound the alarm.

Just one of the issues highlighted by the thorough Germans..