9/ll conspiracy theories: How they've evolved

snook wrote:

margaret wrote:

Brian Griffin wrote:
Just type '911 conspiracy' into Youtube and you'll get lots of very plausible explanations of what really happened surrounding, and on, that fateful day. I haven't watched these vids for a long time now, but if I remember correctly, one of my favourite ones showed un-doctored footage that the planes that crashed into the towers are green and had no windows (i.e. military jets), I think it was also stated that a missile hit the Pentagon, and as for the collapse of the towers, you can see the controlled explosions and hear them explained by demolition experts. They wouldn't have collapsed otherwise. Well worth a look!

I'm sorry l know there's another thread but l find this comment ridiculous. There were thousands of onlookers that day that saw at least the second plane hit the tower, are you trying to tell us they are ALL lying that they saw a green plane really?

All that footage, some of it on mobiles was ALL doctored?

There's lots of odd things that happened that day but you can't lie to thousands who saw it with their own eyes.

Margaret, 
No one disputes the building were hit & fell ( how can be debated forever). There are many 'truthers' who are agents of disinformation who deliberately  publish rubbish in order to discredit any credible arguments with the 'oh look, nutters'. What you need to look at is who was behind it. It doesn't take a genius to work out that it would have been impossible that security services with billions of dollars funding had no idea  what was coming & that a man in a cave, with a laptop foxed them all. All those 'bombers' have been shown to have had training and/or dealings with the CIA, it's an open secret. Bin Laden was receiving medical treatment, courtesy of US  as late as June of that year. Get my drift ? if you are at all interested in real verifiable facts, check out Dr Webster Tarpley's  work & ask yourself the basic question, if 17 of the 'bombers' were Saudi nationals, why was Iraq targeted and not them ? Again & again, credulity is  pushed to the limit. Not one bit of plane left at any crash site but they find a passport ? Sound familiar ? Like the pristine passports found when the Malaysian flight was downed. Don't look at the mechanics, look behind it. Bush was terrified, he was also threatened. Check out 'Angel is Next' There is a sinister shadow gov't operating in US as here. Same applies to 7/7. Every time there is a major attack, be it a bombing/shooting security services are always coincidently  running drills and the surveillance cameras fail. You couldn't make it up ! In that year numerous times jets had been sent up into New York air space to check out suspicious activity yet not one on 9/11. Want to know why ? They were all on the other side of the country, doing drills. Another coincidence ? I think not.

Sorry this is off thread but it gets my goat when people dismiss evidence without doing the research, like many do regarding the Mccanns'

Erm, who says l haven't researched 9/11? You're teaching me to suck eggs, I've got my copy of Loose Change     but you ignored the simple fact l pointed out, do l believe two military green planes hit the towers yet witnesses are all lying and all footage was doctored. No.

This response has been moved but for those who are really interested in the whys & who rather than the how, I recommend the above book. The detail & research is superb from Dr Tarpley, historian & political commentator.

Margaret, 
No one disputes the building were hit & fell ( how can be debated forever). There are many 'truthers' who are agents of disinformation who deliberately  publish rubbish in order to discredit any credible arguments with the 'oh look, nutters'. What you need to look at is who was behind it. It doesn't take a genius to work out that it would have been impossible that security services with billions of dollars funding had no idea  what was coming & that a man in a cave, with a laptop foxed them all. All those 'bombers' have been shown to have had training and/or dealings with the CIA, it's an open secret. Bin Laden was receiving medical treatment, courtesy of US  as late as June of that year. Get my drift ? if you are at all interested in real verifiable facts, check out Dr Webster Tarpley's  work & ask yourself the basic question, if 17 of the 'bombers' were Saudi nationals, why was Iraq targeted and not them ? Again & again, credulity is  pushed to the limit. Not one bit of plane left at any crash site but they find a passport ? Sound familiar ? Like the pristine passports found when the Malaysian flight was downed. Don't look at the mechanics, look behind it. Bush was terrified, he was also threatened. Check out 'Angel is Next' There is a sinister shadow gov't operating in US as here. Same applies to 7/7. Every time there is a major attack, be it a bombing/shooting security services are always coincidently  running drills and the surveillance cameras fail. You couldn't make it up ! In that year numerous times jets had been sent up into New York air space to check out suspicious activity yet not one on 9/11. Want to know why ? They were all on the other side of the country, doing drills. Another coincidence ? I think not.

Sorry this is off thread but it gets my goat when people dismiss evidence without doing the research, like many do regarding the Mccanns'

snook wrote:This response has been moved but for those who are really interested in the whys & who rather than the how, I recommend the above book. The detail & research is superb from Dr Tarpley, historian & political commentator.

Margaret, 
No one disputes the building were hit & fell ( how can be debated forever). There are many 'truthers' who are agents of disinformation who deliberately  publish rubbish in order to discredit any credible arguments with the 'oh look, nutters'. What you need to look at is who was behind it. It doesn't take a genius to work out that it would have been impossible that security services with billions of dollars funding had no idea  what was coming & that a man in a cave, with a laptop foxed them all. All those 'bombers' have been shown to have had training and/or dealings with the CIA, it's an open secret. Bin Laden was receiving medical treatment, courtesy of US  as late as June of that year. Get my drift ? if you are at all interested in real verifiable facts, check out Dr Webster Tarpley's  work & ask yourself the basic question, if 17 of the 'bombers' were Saudi nationals, why was Iraq targeted and not them ? Again & again, credulity is  pushed to the limit. Not one bit of plane left at any crash site but they find a passport ? Sound familiar ? Like the pristine passports found when the Malaysian flight was downed. Don't look at the mechanics, look behind it. Bush was terrified, he was also threatened. Check out 'Angel is Next' There is a sinister shadow gov't operating in US as here. Same applies to 7/7. Every time there is a major attack, be it a bombing/shooting security services are always coincidently  running drills and the surveillance cameras fail. You couldn't make it up ! In that year numerous times jets had been sent up into New York air space to check out suspicious activity yet not one on 9/11. Want to know why ? They were all on the other side of the country, doing drills. Another coincidence ? I think not.

Sorry this is off thread but it gets my goat when people dismiss evidence without doing the research, like many do regarding the Mccanns'

 why let the death of people you have no emotional affect with Mom,Daughter,Son etc etc get in the way of a propaganda agenda,and when Blair made Ahmed Salman Rushdie a sir he well and truly took the piss and laughed all the way to his role has a peace envoy, i wish him all the best and i'm sure he will never require any cold weather cloths when he passes over to the other side.

Just read on mirror app 11planes are missing and could possibly be used on the anniversary on 9/11.
IMO oh shit!

Former CIA and commercial pilot John Lear has come forward and sworn an affidavit stating that the Twin Towers were not bought to the ground by planes crashing into them.



In his expert opinion the official version of events that claims two planes crashed into the towers is actually “physically impossible.”

With reports from the Kremlin this week that President Putin is ready to release satellite images proving that the Twin Towers were destroyed by “controlled demolition” rather than by the force of two planes, enormous strides towards disproving the official 9/11 Commission version are taking place.

An affidavit is serious business in law. Unlike any other form of statement, an affidavit becomes “truth in law” if it is not rebutted. It is now up to the opponents of John Lear’s theory to present evidence and attempt to disprove his statement point by point.

If they cannot or do not rebut the theory, the US Government will by omission be allowing that the official account provided by the 9/11 Commission is not the truth.

And believe me, John Lear’s statement makes a very strong case. He is not just a simple pilot throwing his opinion around. He is as close as you can come to being American intelligence and aerospace aristocracy.

The grandson of Learjet founder Bill Lear, John himself is a retired airline captain and former CIA pilot who has flown over 100 different types of plane during 40 years of active flying. He holds more FAA airman certificates than any other FAA certified pilot. He has flown covert CIA missions in Asia, Africa, Eastern Europe and the Middle East.




Basically, you don’t want to argue with John Lear about flying and planes. You don’t want to argue with him about planes flying into tall buildings and bringing them to the ground. Here is what he has to say in his sworn affidavit about the planes that supposedly bought down the Twin Towers:

No Boeing 767 airliners hit the Twin Towers as fraudulently alleged by the government, media, NIST and its contractors. Such crashes did not occur because they are physically impossible as depicted, for the following reasons:
In the case of UAL 175 going into the south tower, a real Boeing 767 would have begun ‘telescoping’ when the nose hit the 14 inch steel columns which are 39 inches on center.


The vertical and horizontal tail would have instantaneously separated from the aircraft, hit the steel box columns and fallen to the ground. The engines when impacting the steel columns would have maintained their general shape and either fallen to the ground or been recovered in the debris of the collapsed building.


No Boeing 767 could attain a speed of 540 mph at 1000 feet above sea level ‘parasite drag doubles with velocity’ and ‘parasite power’ cubes with velocity. The fan portion of the engine is not designed to accept the volume of dense air at that altitude and speed.


The piece of alleged external fuselage containing 3 or 4 window cutouts is inconsistent with an airplane that hit 14 inch steel box columns, placed at over 500 mph. It would have crumpled.


No significant part of the Boeing 767 or engine could have penetrated the 14 inch steel columns and 37 feet beyond the massive core of the tower without part of it falling to the ground.


The debris of the collapse should have contained massive sections of the Boeing 767, including 3 engine cores weighing approximately 9000 pounds apiece which could not have been hidden. Yet there is no evidence of any of these massive structural components from either 767 at the WTC.



Such complete disappearance of 767s is impossible.


It takes a highly skilled pilot to interpret the “EFIS” (Electronic Flight Instrument Display) display, with which none of the hijacker pilots would have been familiar or received training on, and use his controls, including the ailerons, rudder, flaperons, elevators, spoilers and throttles to effect, control and maintain a descent.

http://yournewswire.com/cia-pilot-swears-oath-planes-did-not-bring-towers-down-on-911/




Published on 11 Sep 2013
9/11 Affidavit By John Lear, Son Of Learjet Inventor
I am 65 years of age, a retired airline captain and former CIA pilot with over 19,000 hours of flight time, over 11,000 of which are in command of 3 or 4 engine jet transports, have flown over 100 different types of aircraft in 60 different countries around the world. I retired in 2001 after 40 years of flying....
http://www.activistpost.com/2012/03/9...

A former CIA and civilian pilot has sworn an affidavit, stating that no planes flew into the Twin Towers as it would have been physically impossible.
http://neonnettle.com/news/211-ex-cia...

The Holographic Projector
http://www.historycommons.org/timelin...

The holographic projector displays a three-dimensional visual image in a desired location, removed from the display generator. The projector can be used for psychological operations and strategic perception management. It is also useful for optical deception and cloaking, providing a momentary distraction when engaging an unsophisticated adversary.
http://www.au.af.mil/au/2025/volume4/...

LASERS IN SPACE : TECHNOLOGICAL OPTIONS FOR ENHANCING US MILITARY
CAPABILITIES by Mark E. Rogers, Lieutenant Colonel, USAF
November 1997
Occasional Paper No. 2
Center for Strategy and Technology, Air War College
Maxwell Air Force Base, Alabama

"Without question, space-based lasers could be fielded in 10 to 20 years that can destroy targets in space as well as on or near the earth's surface. The challenges involve engineering and cost, rather than the fundamental laws of physics."

Spacecast 2020 includes holographic projection from space, planetary defense weapons, and weather modification systems that would involve lasers in space in ways or at power levels that stagger the imagination.

Holographic Projector
Operational Concept. This concept, which would fall into the force enhancement mission area, was considered in the Spacecast 2020 study, and as a truly novel idea provides evidence that the strategic studies did consider "out of the box" ideas. However, the concept ignores the fundamental physics of generating holograms.

The concept is a "system that could project holograms from space onto the ground, in the sky, or on the ocean anywhere in the theater of conflict for special operations deception missions. This system would be composed of either orbiting holographic projectors or relay satellites that would pass data and instructions to a remotely piloted vehicle or aircraft that would then generate and project the holographic image." The apparent intention is to generate three-dimensional images of sufficient quality to make the observer believe an actual object is being seen.

There have even been suggestions by anonymous sources that these holographic images could be made to produce speech as well, which is theoretically possible using the photo-acoustic effect in air. This effect has been proposed by Oak Ridge National Laboratory for a laser-based emergency broadcast system.

http://www.fas.org/spp/starwars/progr...

This technology was reported in the media before 9/11 pertaining to military psychological operations (PSYOPS).

Washington Post
"When Seeing and Hearing Isn't Believing"
By William M. Arkin
February 1, 1999

A few notable quotes (emphasis added):

According to a military physicist given the task of looking into the hologram idea, the feasibility had been established of projecting large, three-dimensional objects that appeared to float in the air.

...

...washingtonpost.com has learned that a super secret program was established in 1994 to pursue the very technology for PSYOPS application. The "Holographic Projector" is described in a classified Air Force document as a system to "project information power from space ... for special operations deception missions."

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