Re: Philomena McCann: "..one greedy, unscrupulous character.."

by **PeterMac** 11.08.13 23:40

Lance De Boils wrote:
I have the original internet page saved, but no idea how to show anyone here. It was all whooshed quite sometime ago.

Try putting the url reference into

http://www.cachedpages.com/
or the Way back machine at
http://archive.org/web/web.php

AND THEN SAVE THE RESULT AS A PDF, SCREEN SHOT, AND ANY OTHER MCCANN-PROOF WAY YOU CAN THINK OF.

Both VERY interesting ! ! !
Beyond even Carter-Rucks powers to whoosh - or so I believe.

by Lance De Boils 12.08.13 10:30

Found it!

http://web.archive.org/web/20070607132931/http://www.aegeandream.com/v2/eng/contact.asp

If you go into that link, then at the top on the left you will see a blue button, "on-line enquiry service". Click that and you'll get the messages.

When you hover over the name links, the email addresses appear (at the bottom left of my screen.)

Please can someone else "grab this", so that I'm not the only one with a copy!

ETA:

Actually, this is better, as it's a later cache and there's a message from Phil Mc dated 15th June 2007, proving that despite maddie's disappearance, they were still planning on going:

http://web.archive.org/web/20080107203053/http://www.aegeandream.com/v2/eng/contact.asp

ETA: I think this is worthy of a discussion of its own and will therefore start a thread in the debate section shortly.

by Guest 12.08.13 11:02

Philomena McCann: "..one greedy, unscrupulous character.." - Page 2 Philmc10

philmccann@ecosse.net

by Praiaaa 12.08.13 11:17

Minor point in the scheme of things, perhaps, but wouldn't any normal person put a 'please' in a request to a hotel, just out of courtesy. Gosh, these people are an unpleasant bunch.

by windchime 12.08.13 11:27

admin wrote:

philmccann@ecosse.net

same e mail used in page one of this thread

by Guest 12.08.13 11:34

windchime wrote:
admin wrote:

philmccann@ecosse.net
same e mail used in page one of this thread

Yes, and it's definitely hers because I'd been in email correspondence with her in 2007.

by windchime 12.08.13 11:46

It has just struck me that I do not seem to recall seeing the McCann family and friends - all 26 of them - during their time in Turkey handing out posters or making it public knowledge that they were there and 'looking' for her in a country where an awful lot of people speculated she could have been taken too??

Also, I have just been quickly looking through some pictures and timelines for the Camerons and on one I was looking at it states that they stayed with the
McCanns until the end of the summer and makes no mention of them hot footing it off for a little break in Turkey??

I cannot believe for one minute that 26 family members travelled abroad using airlines, airports, transfer coaches, taxis, hotels, restaurants, beauty parlours, resort activities and there are no reports of any of them using this time to actively campaign in Turkey.

Unless I have missed something?

by jeanmonroe 12.08.13 11:46

We are a party of 26 arriving on the 24th June.(2007) Can you arrange for all the rooms to be located together.

Dear Phil McCann; We will try to our best. Kıngs Regards. Aegean Dream.

15.06.2007 04:00:16
Phil McCann
________________________________________________________________________

THERE'S NOTHING LIKE A GOOD "GET-TOGETHER" TO IRON OUT ANY 'DISCREPANCIES' IS THERE?

PHILOMEMA's "CLEAR LINE OF SIGHT OF THEIR KIDS"........
TRISHA's "JEMMIED" SHUTTERS, and "AT HALF PAST NINE" WINDOWS SHUT, SHUTTERS SHUT, ALL ASLEEP, SLEEPING"
JOHN MCCANN "AND GERRY AND KATE WOULD LIKE TO FIND THE PERSON SEEN CARRYING A CHILD AT ABOUT 9:30pm, CORROBORATED BY ONE OF THEIR FRIENDS"

Seems they ALL FORGOT that Madeleine had 'disappeared' at 9:15/20pm!

Still, a lovely 'holiday' together will sort all THAT out!

SO JUST A FEW WEEKS AFTER HER DARLING WEE NIECE 'DISAPPEARED' PHIL AND THE GANG WERE NOT GOING TO BE 'SEARCHING' ANYWHERE FOR HER, UNLESS SHE WAS GOING TO BE ON HOLIDAY WITH THEM!

I'D LIKE TO GET HOLD OF THE GUEST LIST OF THE 26!

WONDER IF 'PINKIE' WAS THERE?

THE 'FAMILY' WERE CERTAINLY NOT GOING TO LET A LITTLE THING LIKE ONE OF THEIR FAMILY MEMBERS BEING 'ABDUCTED' PUT THEM OFF THEIR HOLIDAY, WERE THEY?

by Lance De Boils 12.08.13 11:56

Mods - have started a thread for this on the discussion section. Perhaps you could move these posts across?

by jeanmonroe 12.08.13 12:21

I wonder how many of Auntie Phil's former students at her high school, who have now left, over these past six years, feel they have been duped, in some way or another by her, after having read the 'files and statements of the T9' for themselves?

Is she still parading around Ullapool, everyday, telling people to 'search' for darling wee niece Madeleine?
Is she asking her pupils and FORMER pupils to 'donate' to her brother's PRIVATE 'company'?
Has she told her former pupils that a lot of their 'donations' has been spent on a litigation case against a pensioner?

In short, do any of her former pupils NOW believe a single word she said or says?

by Woburn_exile 13.08.13 16:07

This McCann woman has a serious foul mouth on her.Found her on youtube last night.
big grin

by whmon 13.08.13 16:22

My god!

by **tigger** 13.08.13 16:36

Lance De Boils wrote:Mods - have started a thread for this on the discussion section. Perhaps you could move these posts across?

Meant to say: you're a hero. LdB! thumbsup

by Guest 18.01.14 15:06

I'm reviving this topic as Philomena's classic quote about a greedy, unscrupulous character claiming the reward has been mentioned elsewhere.

Please don't judge all of us by your family's standards, Philomena!

by **PeterMac** 18.01.14 15:16

Video has been whooshed !
What a surprise.

by **tigger** 18.01.14 15:22

Well yes, I'm just imagining the scenario: 'You unscrupulous greedy man! Give her here!'

UGM: I saw her in the company of two horrible looking men, she didn't look happy. i followed them and found where they lived, I phoned the police and I watched the house - hiding in a ditch until the police came. When I found out it really was
Maddie I cried and I thought how happy her parents would be to have her back.
I didn't know there was a big reward, I live in a lawless village in the countryside, we don't get English papers.

How much did you say? 2.5 million minus damages to be calculated by CR? How much is £5.95 in euros?
plus the fare home? Gosh!

by aiyoyo 18.01.14 15:31

Shame it has been whooshed !

It's called destroying evidence = perverting the Course of Justice.

by Newintown 18.01.14 15:42

aiyoyo wrote:Shame it has been whooshed !

It's called destroying evidence = perverting the Course of Justice.

If a video has been whooshed from public viewing I would imagine that Youtube would still have it on their files and would be able to retrieve the video from their archives if needed for a police investigation. No doubt they would have to be kept for some years in case of any "legal" battles etc that may be brought against Youtube, although I am only guessing here.

by plebgate 18.01.14 17:30

PeterMac wrote:Video has been whooshed !
What a surprise.

Indeed

by Mirage 18.01.14 17:42

Does anyone remember enough to give a flavour of the content? Who was she addressing?

by **PeterMac** 18.01.14 17:53

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id209.html
After three long months without their daughter, what now for the McCanns? Daily Mail

By DAVID JONES
Last updated at 09:10 28 July 2007

It's three months since Maddy vanished and her parents are grieving in very different ways. He's thinking about moving back to Britain and starting to rebuild their lives. She's still lost in despair and cannot bear to leave Portugal

This week, however, when I spoke to Philomena, she felt compelled to defend her brother and sister-in-law.
"People talk about Team McCann - they think it's orchestrated. That's nonsense. It's bits and pieces, and pals pulling together," she said.
"There hasn't been any kind of cynical campaign. It's just an amazing coming together. We've winged it and learned as we've gone along."
She cited the Find Madeleine website, with its haunting footage, Gerry's daily blog, an on-line store selling yellow bracelets for a £2 donation and a diary of forthcoming events, all set to the Bryan Adams song (Everything I Do) I Do It For You.
Remarkably professional looking, it was created by 19-year-old Callum McCrae, one of Philomena's former pupils.
Then there was the Look Into My Eyes poster, inviting people to memorise the distinctive 'flash' in Madeleine's right eye.
That was devised by Jon Corner, a friend who runs a media company in Liverpool.
Another friend, Michael Wright, a businessman from Skipton, uses his network of contacts to get funding, and Gerry's brother, pharmaceutical company rep John McCann, helps with strategy.
Madeleine's face is instantly recognisable in dozens of countries, and the reward for information leading to her return stands at £3.2 million.

"It needs only one greedy, unscrupulous character to come forward," said Philomena McCann.

"So the campaign will go on, whatever anyone says. Those who say we just want to appear on telly should get a life. Can you imagine stopping looking for your daughter?"

Still there at
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-471365/After-long-months-daughter--McCanns.html

by Newintown 18.01.14 17:54

aiyoyo wrote:Shame it has been whooshed !

It's called destroying evidence = perverting the Course of Justice.

It just shows how nervous certain people are getting and are trying to delete any "history" from the past 6-7 years, but with the wonder of modern science no doubt most it can be recalled if required.

by ultimaThule 18.01.14 21:20

windchime wrote:It has just struck me that I do not seem to recall seeing the McCann family and friends - all 26 of them - during their time in Turkey handing out posters or making it public knowledge that they were there and 'looking' for her in a country where an awful lot of people speculated she could have been taken too??

Also, I have just been quickly looking through some pictures and timelines for the Camerons and on one I was looking at it states that they stayed with the
McCanns until the end of the summer and makes no mention of them hot footing it off for a little break in Turkey??

I cannot believe for one minute that 26 family members travelled abroad using airlines, airports, transfer coaches, taxis, hotels, restaurants, beauty parlours, resort activities and there are no reports of any of them using this time to actively campaign in Turkey.

Unless I have missed something?

This reminds me that, with regard to her evidence at the libel trial, it appeared to me Trish Cameron came dangerously close to lying on oath in relation to what she told the court about the length and number of times she stayed with her sibling in Luz.

I gave this opinion on another thread somewhere on this forum and it occurs to me that, while the court is in some form of adjournment pending a date being set (again) for closing arguments, lawyers for the defence should be alerted to any anomalies in the testimonies of other side's witnesses.

by Newintown 18.01.14 21:49

Newintown wrote:
aiyoyo wrote:Shame it has been whooshed !

It's called destroying evidence = perverting the Course of Justice.

It just shows how nervous certain people are getting and are trying to delete any "history" from the past 6-7 years, but with the wonder of modern science no doubt most of it can be recalled if required.

by Rasputin 18.01.14 21:51

PeterMac wrote:http://www.mccannfiles.com/id209.html
After three long months without their daughter, what now for the McCanns? Daily Mail

By DAVID JONES
Last updated at 09:10 28 July 2007

It's three months since Maddy vanished and her parents are grieving in very different ways. He's thinking about moving back to Britain and starting to rebuild their lives. She's still lost in despair and cannot bear to leave Portugal

This week, however, when I spoke to Philomena, she felt compelled to defend her brother and sister-in-law.
"People talk about Team McCann - they think it's orchestrated. That's nonsense. It's bits and pieces, and pals pulling together," she said.
"There hasn't been any kind of cynical campaign. It's just an amazing coming together. We've winged it and learned as we've gone along."
She cited the Find Madeleine website, with its haunting footage, Gerry's daily blog, an on-line store selling yellow bracelets for a £2 donation and a diary of forthcoming events, all set to the Bryan Adams song (Everything I Do) I Do It For You.
Remarkably professional looking, it was created by 19-year-old Callum McCrae, one of Philomena's former pupils.
Then there was the Look Into My Eyes poster, inviting people to memorise the distinctive 'flash' in Madeleine's right eye.
That was devised by Jon Corner, a friend who runs a media company in Liverpool.
Another friend, Michael Wright, a businessman from Skipton, uses his network of contacts to get funding, and Gerry's brother, pharmaceutical company rep John McCann, helps with strategy.
Madeleine's face is instantly recognisable in dozens of countries, and the reward for information leading to her return stands at £3.2 million.

"It needs only one greedy, unscrupulous character to come forward," said Philomena McCann.

"So the campaign will go on, whatever anyone says. Those who say we just want to appear on telly should get a life. Can you imagine stopping looking for your daughter?"

Still there at
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-471365/After-long-months-daughter--McCanns.html

I seem to remember years ago pharmacutical companies would give doctor's kickbacks for prescribing their products it would be interesting to know how many 'if' any of this group of doctors prescribe any products sold by John McCann....could his company possibly have set this holiday up a an unofficial gift ?

by Mirage 18.01.14 22:32

Madeleine's face is instantly recognisable in dozens of countries, and the reward for information leading to her return stands at £3.2 million.

"It needs only one greedy, unscrupulous character to come forward," said Philomena McCann.

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Freudian slip. Big build up by Phil then down to earth with a bump.

She has instantly sent a negative signal that almost dares anyone to come forward with any information whatsoever. Anyone that does so will be regarded with extreme suspicion. Someone likely to be on the make; a liar, a con artist. Good message, eh?

In Philomena's case, the negative qualifier she supplies the would-be saviour with is: "unscrupulous character". Great.

Invites the response: "I was just going to pick up the phone when I heard that, Maud. Think I'd best leave it dear, don't want to be tarred with that brush at my time of life."

The construction she uses "It only needs one" typically invites a negative qualifier. Examples:
It only needs one idiot to upset the apple cart.
It only needs a thunderstorm and the hot air balloon event will be ruined.
It only needs Gertrude Upshott-Bagley to open her mouth at the vicar's cheese and wine and the prebendary Clarence Day will know the parish council is deeply unpopular with the congregation.

Wrong wrong wrong. But oh so revealing. Clodhoppingly revealing.

Usual format for kosher appeals goes along the following lines:
"We know there must be someone out there - (Nice and positive; inviting; encouraging -see the difference Philomena?) And that someone may feel unsure; may think they are mistaken in what they've seen; that all they have is an insignificant detail. But I urge that person to come forward whatever their doubts, because it doesn't matter if they are wrong. What matters is that they could hold (wait for it, wait for it) that vital piece of the jigsaw that would bring MM home to her loving family.

That's the way to do it, Philomena. Grade: D-.

by ProfessorPPlum 18.01.14 23:43

I followed Rasputin's link to the McCannfiles page... and read an interview with GM I hadn't seen before. It includes the following exchange:

"VAN SUSTEREN: Any theory why Madeleine's case got publicity? You are very unfortunate that your child is missing, but fortunate that at least some of the spotlight might help.

MCCANN: There has obviously been a mixture of circumstances for us. I don't doubt that Madeleine's image itself is playing a huge part in that.

VAN SUSTEREN: She is cute, very cute. But all these missing children are all adorable. We want to help them all"

I don't know why but GM's reply here makes me uncomfortable. His answer suggests that he really believes his daughter's prettiness - her looks - are a credible reason for her to receive this special treatment. Only someone who believed it could utter such a superficial and utterly inadequate explanation.

Sorry if off topic. Both the Mail article and this McCannfiles piece make disturbing reading (but important to revisit).

by jeanmonroe 18.01.14 23:54

Madeleine's face is instantly recognisable in dozens of countries, and the reward for information leading to her return stands at £3.2 million.
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Really? £3.2million?

The 'most' i have EVER seen in relation to a 'reward' is only £2.6 million!
The entrepreneur Sir Richard Branson, the impresario Bill Kenwright and retail tycoon Sir Philip Green were revealed as backers of a £1.5m reward announced by the News of the World newspaper. It means the total reward now on offer stands at a record £2.6m after a businessman and a family friend pledged a total of £1.1m last week.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/may/13/ameliahill.jamiedoward

So where has £600,000 of reward money 'disappeared' to?

Put 'suggestions' in an envelope and address it to K&G, Rothley,.. it'll get there!
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Saturday May 12, 2007

• Madeleine's fourth birthday.

The total reward being offered by business figures, celebrities and a national newspaper for information leading to Madeleine's safe return reaches £2.5 million.
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Chancellor Gordon Brown expresses his sympathy for Madeleine's parents and says his thoughts are with them.
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Didn't express his sympathy for wee man Mikaeel Kular's parent Rosdeep Kular and say his thoughts were with her though, did he?

He didn't know at the time that Mikaeel 'disappeared' that he had not been abducted from his flat, did he?

One family gets his sympathy for just saying their child 'was abducted' (without proof of that) but another one dosen't get his sympathy when they say their child 'was abducted'.(also without proof of that)

Wonder why?

"bigoted man"!

by **Hobs** 19.01.14 0:33

jeanmonroe wrote:Madeleine's face is instantly recognisable in dozens of countries, and the reward for information leading to her return stands at £3.2 million.
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Really? £3.2million?

The 'most' i have EVER seen in relation to a 'reward' is only £2.6 million!
The entrepreneur Sir Richard Branson, the impresario Bill Kenwright and retail tycoon Sir Philip Green were revealed as backers of a £1.5m reward announced by the News of the World newspaper. It means the total reward now on offer stands at a record £2.6m after a businessman and a family friend pledged a total of £1.1m last week.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/may/13/ameliahill.jamiedoward

So where has £600,000 of reward money 'disappeared' to?
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Saturday May 12, 2007

• Madeleine's fourth birthday.

The total reward being offered by business figures, celebrities and a national newspaper for information leading to Madeleine's safe return reaches £2.5 million.
---------------------------------------------------------------------

Chancellor Gordon Brown expresses his sympathy for Madeleine's parents and says his thoughts are with them.
----------------------------------------

Didn't express his sympathy for wee man Mikaeel Kular's parent Rosdeep Kular and say his thoughts were with her though, did he?

He didn't know at the time that Mikaeel 'disappeared' that he had not been abducted from his flat, did he?

One family gets his sympathy for just saying their child 'was abducted' (without proof of that) but another one dosen't get his sympathy when they say their child 'was abducted'.(also without proof of that)

Wonder why?

The majority of the reward came from the NOTW, a paper which no longer exists and thus neither does the reward ( or the sum of money they offered)

I am not sure if there is any actual reward offered currently.

I think a couple of celebs added to the NOTW reward and since that went bosom's up i would imagine so did the offer of money towards said reward.

The mccanns and chums have never advertised a reward and on the off chance that they do watch for the small print.

It will likely be paid out on her safe return.
Since we all know she is long dead ( along with the mccanns and chums and the MSM) there will not be a reward paid out.

If it said safe return, or, the arest, charge and prosecution of those involved, then there may have been a payout, as long as there was a guilty verdict.

Being seen to offer a huge reward makes the MSM look good, what you don't see is all the teeny tiny print that stops them paying up, all the clauses etc.

It is also noticeable the mccanns and chums have never offered their own reward such as from the fund.

If she was found and the fund offered a reward, what if there was less money in the fund than was offered unless it was ringfenced, and even then you can bet they would try not to pay up.

As we can see with their rules, the fund will never be used to help other children since, even if the persons involved were brought to justice, the fact is can and is used to support the family means they need never pay out as the family can and will claim they need it to support them, especially given the price of NZ white and they could claim they need it for vehicles for the twins, a new house as their current one is so well know, sundry bills for perhaps education, legal fees etc.

As it stands there is no financial incentive to persuade someone with knowledge to talk.

I would imagine that if there was and a tapas member spoke u, there would no doubt be some clause banning payment to anyone related to the case such as the tapas 7, etc.

by jeanmonroe 19.01.14 0:41

HOBS:
"I am not sure if there is any actual reward offered currently."
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There is a £20,000 'reward' on offer from the MET.

(Taxpayers money.)

The entire McCann and Healy families themselves though, personally, have never, ever, 'offered' a reward!

Not even 50p!

From their personal PRIVATE 'fighting/search fund' (made up of 'donations' from a group of handicapped children and OAP's and kiddies pocket money) of £1.8 MILLION!

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