Wot? no Smithman

by Paddingtom 13.07.24 7:50

Just been looking at the fraudulent Find madeleine fund raiser and it would appear that they have quietly killed Smithman and resurrected Tannerman despite the Met having turned him into Crecheman.

Have you seen these people? Do you know who they might be?

These two pictures show a man carrying a child away from the family's apartment. This sighting was seen by a witness at 21:15 on the evening of Thursday, May 3rd, 2007. Based on more recent information, the Metropolitan Police now believe this man may represent a guest at the Ocean Club who was carrying his daughter back to their apartment.

However as it is not possible to be certain that these two men are actually the same person, if you have seen this man in the pictures or suspect who it may be, please contact the Metropolitan Police's OPERATION GRANGE

So,although the Met have told the world it was only Crecheman after all, (sorry to have led you up the garden path for 6 years) it would appear that it possibly isnt Crecheman after all ....Hold the front page!!!!

Where is the man who was also seen carrying a child at 10.p.m.? hes gone. Why? perhaps because hes getting a bit too close to the truth?

What about those kind irish witnesses that assisted the mccann investigators with their sighting of an abductor? where is their information?

Just when we thought it was safe to abandon Tannerman, hes back.

by **Bluebagthepirate** 13.07.24 7:55

It wasn't gerry because he's not crazy.

by Paddingtom 13.07.24 7:56

It was GM. He was carrying Ella.

by **Bluebagthepirate** 13.07.24 8:07

It wasn't because he's not so stupid as to be walking around at that time with a child when he could bump into anyone who knew him - like Jez earlier.

by **Bluebagthepirate** 13.07.24 8:09

If you read the book you will see Bernt Stellander gives the same reasoning.

by Paddingtom 13.07.24 8:12

weve already had this conversation.

He wasnt carrying a child when he met Jez.

Most of the journey was in a car borrowed from janes friends and driven by Russ. It was only the section infront of Estela de Luz that was on foot.

by **Bluebagthepirate** 13.07.24 8:22

Yes he wasn't carrying a child when he met jez, but that isn't the point is it.

He bumped into someone who knew him is the point - 40 minutes before he supposedly wandered around with a child.

Smithman is an irrelevance,

by **Bluebagthepirate** 13.07.24 8:23

Paddingtom wrote: Most of the journey was in a car borrowed from janes friends and driven by Russ. It was only the section infront of Estela de Luz that was on foot.

That simply isn't true - even according to the Smith family.

by Paddingtom 13.07.24 8:31

The smiths were there at the time he was trying to be seen by cctv. The rest of the time he was in the car. He wasnt wandering all around Pdl. They wouldnt know he was in a car previously to seeing him or that he was in a car immediately after they saw him.

The police knew a car was involved and seized it and gave it to the dogs who wernt interested because MM wasnt in it.

by **Bluebagthepirate** 13.07.24 8:38

The smiths said the man was walking down the street they had just come up. hardly "just in front of Estrela cctv. Right past bars and restaurants though where he could have met anyone.

And the journey in the car bit has zero evidence.

by Paddingtom 13.07.24 8:40

The police were interested enough in it.

Weve had all these arguments before.....

How about we get back on topic and discuss why Tannerman has arisen from the dead?

by **Bluebagthepirate** 13.07.24 8:43

We are on topic. The clue is in the thread title,

So... this car.. the police think smithman used it?

Actually does anyone besides you think that?

by Paddingtom 13.07.24 8:54

The police were suspicious that MM had been transported in the car.

It doesnt matter whether anyone thinks my theory is correct.

You are very quick to shoot everyones theories presumably because you only want yours to be considered....so, I give in....what is your theory? Lets discuss that as you clearly dont want anyone else to have a theory.

oh, and by the way, Ive just google earth walked the route where the smiths were and there are no bars or restaurants....just wasteland and a carpark.

by **Bluebagthepirate** 13.07.24 9:00

Theories shouldn't be afraid of analysis.

Yes police were interested in a car, but not in connection with smithman.

And the smiths had just come from bar and a restaurant. That is where smithman was heading.

It's not waste ground either.

You should be happy to have your theory examined?

by Paddingtom 13.07.24 9:09

We have endlessly argued the same old things about my theory. I get that you dont like it. Thats fine. This thread is about why Tannerman has been resurrected and smithman ignored,,,not my theory on smithman.

the smiths had come from a bar around the corner not on the same street..

So what were the police interested in the car for then if not to transport MM

It is indeed waste ground .....have a look.

And now perhaps you can tell us what your theory is that we must adhere to? frightened we might find flaws in it? Or have you even got one?

by **crusader** 13.07.24 9:10

Have I got this right, Ella was transported in a borrowed car driven by Russ, Gerry was the passenger.
They drove from the apartments then Gerry got out carrying Ella so he could be seen by the Smith family or CCTV.
Then got back in the car and drove back to the apartments ready for the alarm to be raised?

by Paddingtom 13.07.24 9:12

yes Crusader that is right, apart from wanting ti be seen by the smiths. He only wanted to be seen by CCTV.

by **Bluebagthepirate** 13.07.24 9:29

Paddingtom wrote:So what were the police interested in the car for then if not to transport MM

They were but not in connection with Smithman.

I have never ever in 17 years heard someone suggest smithman used a car.

Where did smithman get back in the car?

Down by the bars and restaurants where he was heading? Again how did they know no one would see them? A child being put in a car this time.

Your theory really doesn't stack up on so many levels.

by **Bluebagthepirate** 13.07.24 9:31

crusader wrote:Then got back in the car and drove back to the apartments ready for the alarm to be raised?

Well that doesn't stack up with the Smithman sighting at all.

by **crusader** 13.07.24 10:17

It would have had to be meticulously planned for this to happen.
How would they know how long they would have to wait in the car?
If the car was parked in a position waiting for someone to come along, which must have been at the top of Rua da Escola Primera for them to be seen by the Smith family.
Then again, why this lonely spot, why not somewhere more public?
Where then did the car go once Gerry had exited, what route did it take to pick Gerry up again?

by **Ladyinred** 13.07.24 10:23

Bluebagthepirate wrote:We are on topic. The clue is in the thread title,

So... this car.. the police think smithman used it?

Actually does anyone besides you think that?

I'm surprised you're bothering, BlueBag.

Another Smithman thread

by Paddingtom 13.07.24 11:30

It would appear that bluebag is bothering because he cant bear anyone to have a theory. However, the absence of his theory is deafening.

Crusader, they had 4 days to plan it. Its not that complicated. Drop off and drive to the pickup point which was at the bottom of the road just after the smiths. It was at this lonely spot because he didnt want to be seen by anyone....Only cctv..

But were off topic again....

Is noone interested that tannerman has arisen from the dead? the last time this happened was 2000 years ago!!!

by **crusader** 13.07.24 11:42

Paddingtom can you post a link to what you saw on the find Madeleine fund?
Is this something new because of the Sudden Impulse book?

by **Ladyinred** 13.07.24 12:15

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

This has been on the website for years.

by **crusader** 13.07.24 12:17

I thought so, thank you Ladyinred.

by Paddingtom 13.07.24 15:19

But I thought they had abandoned Tannerman...why are they still promoting him?

by **crusader** 13.07.24 15:24

I don't think the McCann's ever abandoned Tannerman.
Jane Tanner always said it wasn't Julian Totman she saw.

by **Bluebagthepirate** 13.07.24 15:33

Paddingtom wrote:It would appear that bluebag is bothering because he cant bear anyone to have a theory.

Not true.

I'm OK with theories that make sense. This one doesn't.

However, the absence of his theory is deafening.

Eh?

Crusader, they had 4 days to plan it. Its not that complicated. Drop off and drive to the pickup point which was at the bottom of the road just after the smiths. It was at this lonely spot because he didnt want to be seen by anyone....Only cctv..

What time was the Smith sighting again?
When was the alarm raised again?

But were off topic again....

A topic about Smithman. It says so in the title.

Is noone interested that tannerman has arisen from the dead? the last time this happened was 2000 years ago!!!

Tannerman never went away.

by **Bluebagthepirate** 13.07.24 15:35

crusader wrote:I don't think the McCann's ever abandoned Tannerman.
Jane Tanner always said it wasn't Julian Totman she saw.

Totman lived in the other direction to the way Tannerman was going.

Anyone who bothered to read Bernt Stellander's book recently would have their memory refreshed on all this.

by **crusader** 13.07.24 16:09

Andy Redwood asked J Tanner if she was sure the man she saw was going in the direction she said he was because this didn't fit in with his lightbulb moment.