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14 years ago !!!
" Possibly relevant " in other words - sweet f.a !
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EXCLUSIVE: A VICTIMS PLEA TO MADELEINE MCCANN ATTACKER CHRISTIAN BRUECKNER: YOU'RE A LOSER. I SURVIVED AND I'M LOVED AND FREE
'To the 'person' who changed me and my world: I am not the lonely unloved person you are'
By Jon Clarke (Publisher and Editor) - 16th June 2023 @ 18:51
AN alleged rape victim of Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner has marked the anniversary of her 2004 attack in a stinging and moving social media post.
Hazel Behan - who is hoping to finally face the sex attacker in court this year - wrote she is 'celebrating her survival' after 19 years.
In the horrific ordeal on the Algarve, the Irish mum was stripped naked and beaten over a four-hour ordeal, all captured on camera.
https://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2023/06/16/a-victims-plea-to-madeleine-mccann-attacker-christian-brueckner-youre-a-loser-i-survived-and-am-loved-and-free/
'To the 'person' who changed me and my world: I am not the lonely unloved person you are'
By Jon Clarke (Publisher and Editor) - 16th June 2023 @ 18:51
AN alleged rape victim of Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner has marked the anniversary of her 2004 attack in a stinging and moving social media post.
Hazel Behan - who is hoping to finally face the sex attacker in court this year - wrote she is 'celebrating her survival' after 19 years.
In the horrific ordeal on the Algarve, the Irish mum was stripped naked and beaten over a four-hour ordeal, all captured on camera.
https://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2023/06/16/a-victims-plea-to-madeleine-mccann-attacker-christian-brueckner-youre-a-loser-i-survived-and-am-loved-and-free/
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A separate trial over his involvement in the abduction of Madeleine McCann in 2007, is expected to take place in the spring, next year.
Jon Clarke
Where does he get this crap from? He seems to weave his own stories from the gutter press - past present and future.
Lives in a little world all of his own.
Does he seriously think the reader believes a word he utters from his untouchable bolt hole in sunny Spain?
Stupid boy .
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Err . . this is the one where the victim included the details about the LARGE cross shaped Scar on her attacker's thigh.
Brückner does not have one.
Irish Mirror
Madeleine McCann suspect agrees to police examination over Irish woman rape charge
Mr Fuelscher says prosecutors will have to clear him as a suspect because he could not have been the attacker.
NEWS
ByMartin FrickerSenior Reporter
Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner has agreed to have his thighs examined by cops in a bid to escape a rape charge.
German prosecutors suspect the convicted paedophile of raping Irish tour rep Hazel Behan in a Portuguese holiday resort in 2004.
They handed over their file of evidence on the alleged attack to Brueckner’s lawyer, Friedrich Fuelscher, last month.
It reportedly includes a statement Behan gave to police saying her attacker had a large cross-shaped scar on his right thigh.
German newspaper Bild says Brueckner claims to have no scars on his thighs and has consented to have them examined.
Mr Fuelscher says prosecutors will have to clear him as a suspect because he could not have been the attacker.
He told Bild: “Should it be true that Mr Brueckner does not have this feature, he would have to be ruled out as the perpetrator.”
German prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters refused to comment on the report when approached by the Irish Mirror.
Brückner does not have one.
Irish Mirror
Madeleine McCann suspect agrees to police examination over Irish woman rape charge
Mr Fuelscher says prosecutors will have to clear him as a suspect because he could not have been the attacker.
NEWS
ByMartin FrickerSenior Reporter
- 07:21, 9 JUN 2022
Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner has agreed to have his thighs examined by cops in a bid to escape a rape charge.
German prosecutors suspect the convicted paedophile of raping Irish tour rep Hazel Behan in a Portuguese holiday resort in 2004.
They handed over their file of evidence on the alleged attack to Brueckner’s lawyer, Friedrich Fuelscher, last month.
It reportedly includes a statement Behan gave to police saying her attacker had a large cross-shaped scar on his right thigh.
German newspaper Bild says Brueckner claims to have no scars on his thighs and has consented to have them examined.
Mr Fuelscher says prosecutors will have to clear him as a suspect because he could not have been the attacker.
He told Bild: “Should it be true that Mr Brueckner does not have this feature, he would have to be ruled out as the perpetrator.”
German prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters refused to comment on the report when approached by the Irish Mirror.
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'...all captured on camera'
That wretched camera again, that elusive camera that has never been seen by any but Manfred Seyferth and his criminal associate Buscher - allegedly.
What's next on the menu?
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She added: "I just wish I'd got the Portuguese police to do their actual jobs at the time, as if they had, Diana would not have been raped, and Madeleine would be alive today. And maybe others," she added.
All culminated in that one sentence, the persecution of the Portuguese police has been the focus from the beginning to this very day, that and the paedophile abductor profile.
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Good afternoon, are you sitting comfortably - then brace yourself for the biggest hoot of all time. this really does take the cream cracker..
MADDIE COPS' GAMBLE Madeleine McCann suspect Christian B to be FREED – but cops to keep him under ’24/7 surveillance’ in bid to snare him
Henry Holloway
Published: 12:20, 17 Jun 2023Updated: 13:01, 17 Jun 2023
MADELEINE McCann cops are planning to place suspect Christian B under a ruthless 24/7 surveillance regime in a desperate bid to finally snare him.
German police sources revealed the latest throw of the dice by prosecutors as they are determined to prove that the convicted sex offender was the one who snatched and possibly killed Maddie.
Christian B may be released from jail before the end of the investigation into him - which cops have admitted could stretch to 2026.
Now sources close to the case have revealed to The Sun Online how investigators think the convicted rapist being free might actually provide a boost to the probe.
The source said: “It is very possible [Christian B] will be released while the investigation into Maddie's whereabouts is still continuing.
"If that happens he will be watched around the clock.
“Detectives will monitor him 24/7 to see where he goes and who he talks to."
Police hope that Christian B may give up key clues while being released, describing him as a "weirdo, a drifter, a creature of habit".
Cops would be waiting for him to slip up to possibly reveal key clues into the vanishing of Madeleine.
Maddie was just three-years-old when she vanished from her holiday apartment in Praia da Luz in 2007.
More than 15 years on the mystery continues in one of the most baffling cold cases of all time.
German police however are confident that Christian B - who was living as a vagrant around the resort town at the time - is their man.
But despite the bombshell naming of him as a suspect in 2020, progress in the probe has appeared slow.
And Portuguese detectives have long been skeptical about the German probe's chances of success.
A police source told The Sun Online: "[Christian B] is known to be a weirdo and a drifter, but he’s also a creature of habit so detectives fully expect him to migrate back towards the places and people he was seeing at the time Maddie vanished.
“This could well throw up new clues.
"A lot of those involved in the search think [Christian B] being out could actually help shine a new light on areas that have been overlooked or even missed.”
Lead prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters spoke out last week as he provided a new statement on Christian B.
The sex offender is serving a seven-year sentence for the 2005 rape of a pensioner in the Portuguese resort of Praia da Luz.
And Mr Wolters' team have been trying to get enough evidence to charge him over the disappearance of Madeleine at the same resort 18 months later.
Wolters admitted the probe could carry on for another three years - right up to when Christian B is due to be released form prison.
The revelations will cause fresh heartache for Madeleine's parents Kate and Gerry, who have been hoping for answers from the German authorities for the past three years.
Mr Wolters said: "The investigation into the Maddie case will take as long as is necessary. If necessary, beyond a possible release of the accused."
And confirming his team is yet to speak to Kate and Gerry, he added: "There is no contact with the McCann family."
In June 2020, the German prosecutor declared they had "strong" evidence against Christian B.
And they confidently stated the probe was "90%" there.
He also controversially suggested Madeleine was dead - before later conceding he had no evidence to prove it.
German forensic experts are preparing to analyse items found during a three-day search at a reservoir 30 miles from Praia da Luz that Christian B, 46, once called his "little paradise".
Asked about claims they were trying to find fibres or clothing linked to Madeleine, Mr Wolters said: "We do not comment on speculation."
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/22690517/madeleine-mccann-christian-b-surveillance/
MADDIE COPS' GAMBLE Madeleine McCann suspect Christian B to be FREED – but cops to keep him under ’24/7 surveillance’ in bid to snare him
Henry Holloway
Published: 12:20, 17 Jun 2023Updated: 13:01, 17 Jun 2023
MADELEINE McCann cops are planning to place suspect Christian B under a ruthless 24/7 surveillance regime in a desperate bid to finally snare him.
German police sources revealed the latest throw of the dice by prosecutors as they are determined to prove that the convicted sex offender was the one who snatched and possibly killed Maddie.
Christian B may be released from jail before the end of the investigation into him - which cops have admitted could stretch to 2026.
Now sources close to the case have revealed to The Sun Online how investigators think the convicted rapist being free might actually provide a boost to the probe.
The source said: “It is very possible [Christian B] will be released while the investigation into Maddie's whereabouts is still continuing.
"If that happens he will be watched around the clock.
“Detectives will monitor him 24/7 to see where he goes and who he talks to."
Police hope that Christian B may give up key clues while being released, describing him as a "weirdo, a drifter, a creature of habit".
Cops would be waiting for him to slip up to possibly reveal key clues into the vanishing of Madeleine.
Maddie was just three-years-old when she vanished from her holiday apartment in Praia da Luz in 2007.
More than 15 years on the mystery continues in one of the most baffling cold cases of all time.
German police however are confident that Christian B - who was living as a vagrant around the resort town at the time - is their man.
But despite the bombshell naming of him as a suspect in 2020, progress in the probe has appeared slow.
And Portuguese detectives have long been skeptical about the German probe's chances of success.
A police source told The Sun Online: "[Christian B] is known to be a weirdo and a drifter, but he’s also a creature of habit so detectives fully expect him to migrate back towards the places and people he was seeing at the time Maddie vanished.
“This could well throw up new clues.
"A lot of those involved in the search think [Christian B] being out could actually help shine a new light on areas that have been overlooked or even missed.”
Lead prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters spoke out last week as he provided a new statement on Christian B.
The sex offender is serving a seven-year sentence for the 2005 rape of a pensioner in the Portuguese resort of Praia da Luz.
And Mr Wolters' team have been trying to get enough evidence to charge him over the disappearance of Madeleine at the same resort 18 months later.
Wolters admitted the probe could carry on for another three years - right up to when Christian B is due to be released form prison.
The revelations will cause fresh heartache for Madeleine's parents Kate and Gerry, who have been hoping for answers from the German authorities for the past three years.
Mr Wolters said: "The investigation into the Maddie case will take as long as is necessary. If necessary, beyond a possible release of the accused."
And confirming his team is yet to speak to Kate and Gerry, he added: "There is no contact with the McCann family."
In June 2020, the German prosecutor declared they had "strong" evidence against Christian B.
And they confidently stated the probe was "90%" there.
He also controversially suggested Madeleine was dead - before later conceding he had no evidence to prove it.
German forensic experts are preparing to analyse items found during a three-day search at a reservoir 30 miles from Praia da Luz that Christian B, 46, once called his "little paradise".
Asked about claims they were trying to find fibres or clothing linked to Madeleine, Mr Wolters said: "We do not comment on speculation."
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/22690517/madeleine-mccann-christian-b-surveillance/
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Wolters does not comment on speculation. He's been speculating now for a couple of years. Is he a genuine professional, or did he escape from somewhere?
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I've long since thought the name Christian Brueckner to be acting a part to assist in a monumental scam to re-direct attention from the prime suspects in the disappearance of Madeleine Mccann .... Gerry and Kate McCann.
Maybe Wolters is also a paid actor.
It's three years since the Brueckner tale hit the headlines big-time - it's no further forward, just picking up more debris as it trundles on towards infinity.
Maybe Wolters is also a paid actor.
It's three years since the Brueckner tale hit the headlines big-time - it's no further forward, just picking up more debris as it trundles on towards infinity.
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That can't be right.
Jon Clarke told the world he was going to be charged in May or June or by the end of the month, or within weeks, or by the end of the year or next week, or something.
He has never mention 3 years.
Wolters has clearly got it wrong.
Jon Clarke told the world he was going to be charged in May or June or by the end of the month, or within weeks, or by the end of the year or next week, or something.
He has never mention 3 years.
Wolters has clearly got it wrong.
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You cannot find out ANYTHING about Wolters online.
Compare that to the amount of Information available on the Defense.
Now ask yourself why?
Compare that to the amount of Information available on the Defense.
Now ask yourself why?
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He has never mention 3 years.
Fear not, he will - three years hence ....
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it was not that difficult to find stuff about hcw.
but there is a good reason to keep a low profile on a cps, so there are guidelines about what not to put out under your own name, his age is known, his career, there is to find bits about cases he worked.
nobody has a need to know if he is married and to who, if he has children, or other dear family members, in todays world it is much too easy to make use of that kind of information for matters that are not in line with the job.
and i do think hcw gives us more than enough in behavior ans musings to form an impression about him in his work capacity.
for the public there is no other role than the profession he represent.
if you are curious about other cases he works on, just get an abo on his press releases, and they send them for free to your email.
he has just one professional position, and working for the german public= state. who cares if the guy prefers bananas above apples. or if he is married, he is a gift that keeps giving on his professional appearance, what difference would make knowing his out of profession things beter, or worse.
but there is a good reason to keep a low profile on a cps, so there are guidelines about what not to put out under your own name, his age is known, his career, there is to find bits about cases he worked.
nobody has a need to know if he is married and to who, if he has children, or other dear family members, in todays world it is much too easy to make use of that kind of information for matters that are not in line with the job.
and i do think hcw gives us more than enough in behavior ans musings to form an impression about him in his work capacity.
for the public there is no other role than the profession he represent.
if you are curious about other cases he works on, just get an abo on his press releases, and they send them for free to your email.
he has just one professional position, and working for the german public= state. who cares if the guy prefers bananas above apples. or if he is married, he is a gift that keeps giving on his professional appearance, what difference would make knowing his out of profession things beter, or worse.
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No reason whatsoever for Hans Christian Wolters private life to be scrutinised, nor even his public life.
We, the public, have been subjected to the name Christian Brueckner for the past three years thanks to the press and media, although Wolters is guilty of saying too much via the press and media - if anyone cares to take any notice of that!
For the most part, there is very little (read nothing) that can be directed towards Brueckner as regards the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
We, the public, have been subjected to the name Christian Brueckner for the past three years thanks to the press and media, although Wolters is guilty of saying too much via the press and media - if anyone cares to take any notice of that!
For the most part, there is very little (read nothing) that can be directed towards Brueckner as regards the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
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This does not explain why Wolters is still not interested in the P J Files.
Or why he allowed the ‘usual Suspects’ of the Press into his Office.
Martin Brunt
Jon Clarke
Sandra Felgeuiras
He should have done his Homework on them before allowing them in.
Their attempts to ‘Influence’ this Case have undermined him greatly.
Or why he allowed the ‘usual Suspects’ of the Press into his Office.
Martin Brunt
Jon Clarke
Sandra Felgeuiras
He should have done his Homework on them before allowing them in.
Their attempts to ‘Influence’ this Case have undermined him greatly.
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There is a pattern here, I wonder if Wolters had anything to do with the Inga Gehricke case.
CB was suspected of Kidnapping her in 2015 and his pallet factory was dug up in 2016 where they found child abuse images on a usb stick hidden under his dead dog.
He was prosecuted for having images of child abuse, but no evidence was found that he had anything to do with the missing Inga.
In 2017 the case was closed.
That same year CB became suspected of being involved in the disappearance of Madeleine.
If they found nothing in the week of digging up the pallet factory looking for Inga, what made them think they would find anything by going back there and digging it up looking for Madeleine.
They are being played by CBs partners in crime who want to keep him in prison.
CB was suspected of Kidnapping her in 2015 and his pallet factory was dug up in 2016 where they found child abuse images on a usb stick hidden under his dead dog.
He was prosecuted for having images of child abuse, but no evidence was found that he had anything to do with the missing Inga.
In 2017 the case was closed.
That same year CB became suspected of being involved in the disappearance of Madeleine.
If they found nothing in the week of digging up the pallet factory looking for Inga, what made them think they would find anything by going back there and digging it up looking for Madeleine.
They are being played by CBs partners in crime who want to keep him in prison.
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Could it be a matter of HW having been foiled by the Inga case, and wanting to have success with CB at any cost?
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why would a german cps have to read files, is the role and task in germany so different from ours?
for me reading files, if they are part of a investigation, is simply police work. our cps is never an working part of the investigation, but has the responsibility to oversee the investigation, so all procedures of law are correct followed up. there is also a second role, that of bringing a case before a court. and a third, to oversee the verdict is followed up.
so our cps are head of the investigation, but not the head above the police officers, for that we have another victim the police chef.
so a cps is not part of the investigation, but oversees it. the cps is not part of the court, but brings case to the court, and the cps had to see to that the verdict of the judge is respected.
even the pj files do not have all material from the investigation, the raw materials are already left out, like the original papers of the house to house calls, lists of names of people who had taken part in searches, list who had access to what. case note ledgers are missing too. calling listings in and out going. intern reports of informal information. the pj files always look to me as the type of files we would send to the clerk of the cps offices, so everything is already there if and when needed during the court fase. followed by a lot of faxes and phone calls where to find a certain piece of paper in it. the raw material is usually at least double of the cps files in a larger case, but stays in the police office.
and the raw materials could be just why you have to travel to another police office, to look into these.
the only difference i do know of between a dutch cps and a german one, is that the dutch one has no obligation, but a choice if a case needs tpo be investigated, and a german cps has the obligation to bring a case under investigation, but looking from this case and the 5 others in daily practice that happens in the same way as overhere.
only that thingy with many different states within one country we have not to worry about. all titles in law enforcement are in principle for 24/7 and for the whole country, only because it makes live easier we would mostly use it within a working district.
most cps would also have no time to read all information in an investigation, or need to do that. only the stuff needed before the court would be enough. a cps can have many, many cases at the same time, this case can hardly be large enough to get their own cps, investigation judge, etc. and going by the results of hcw his agenda, it is certainly not his one and only case.
so again, i would not expect a cps to read the pj files. even during a court case, that is assisted by his expert witnesses if more declaration is needed. in court the cps is not his own witness. overhere more declaration can be from questions from the judge, or the party of the defendant.
but during al stages, the cps actually forms an opinion that follows his understanding of the opinion of the investigation. something that can easily go wrong.
press and media officers are here dedicated officers, but usually do not work in the investigation itself. so much easier, you just tell them what you want out, they can never speak up about what they simply do not know. so when you hear a i do not know that, or i can not say that, or no comment, it is usually true.
the inga case, is worked in another jurisdiction that of the state sachsen anhalt, the same state that maybe also could handle the cases of cb, hcw can not handle these legally at this time from braunschweig, that belongs to niedersachsen.
for me reading files, if they are part of a investigation, is simply police work. our cps is never an working part of the investigation, but has the responsibility to oversee the investigation, so all procedures of law are correct followed up. there is also a second role, that of bringing a case before a court. and a third, to oversee the verdict is followed up.
so our cps are head of the investigation, but not the head above the police officers, for that we have another victim the police chef.
so a cps is not part of the investigation, but oversees it. the cps is not part of the court, but brings case to the court, and the cps had to see to that the verdict of the judge is respected.
even the pj files do not have all material from the investigation, the raw materials are already left out, like the original papers of the house to house calls, lists of names of people who had taken part in searches, list who had access to what. case note ledgers are missing too. calling listings in and out going. intern reports of informal information. the pj files always look to me as the type of files we would send to the clerk of the cps offices, so everything is already there if and when needed during the court fase. followed by a lot of faxes and phone calls where to find a certain piece of paper in it. the raw material is usually at least double of the cps files in a larger case, but stays in the police office.
and the raw materials could be just why you have to travel to another police office, to look into these.
the only difference i do know of between a dutch cps and a german one, is that the dutch one has no obligation, but a choice if a case needs tpo be investigated, and a german cps has the obligation to bring a case under investigation, but looking from this case and the 5 others in daily practice that happens in the same way as overhere.
only that thingy with many different states within one country we have not to worry about. all titles in law enforcement are in principle for 24/7 and for the whole country, only because it makes live easier we would mostly use it within a working district.
most cps would also have no time to read all information in an investigation, or need to do that. only the stuff needed before the court would be enough. a cps can have many, many cases at the same time, this case can hardly be large enough to get their own cps, investigation judge, etc. and going by the results of hcw his agenda, it is certainly not his one and only case.
so again, i would not expect a cps to read the pj files. even during a court case, that is assisted by his expert witnesses if more declaration is needed. in court the cps is not his own witness. overhere more declaration can be from questions from the judge, or the party of the defendant.
but during al stages, the cps actually forms an opinion that follows his understanding of the opinion of the investigation. something that can easily go wrong.
press and media officers are here dedicated officers, but usually do not work in the investigation itself. so much easier, you just tell them what you want out, they can never speak up about what they simply do not know. so when you hear a i do not know that, or i can not say that, or no comment, it is usually true.
the inga case, is worked in another jurisdiction that of the state sachsen anhalt, the same state that maybe also could handle the cases of cb, hcw can not handle these legally at this time from braunschweig, that belongs to niedersachsen.
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I have watched impassioned as Christian has been vilified by the Press based upon zero evidence. I cannot believe how the poor guy manages to sit alone in his cell listening to this constant barrage of Garbage from the Gutter Press together with the the Made-Up-Journalism of Jon Clark.
If Christian is released from his 7 year Prison Sentence, then he will have served his time. If the Gutter Press hound him upon his release then he will have the right to sue all those Press 'professionals' who concocted the lies, like Jon Clarke.
Here's hoping that Christian gets the right legal representation to defend his shattered reputation. After all the man is a Human being and we should treat him so.
If Christian is released from his 7 year Prison Sentence, then he will have served his time. If the Gutter Press hound him upon his release then he will have the right to sue all those Press 'professionals' who concocted the lies, like Jon Clarke.
Here's hoping that Christian gets the right legal representation to defend his shattered reputation. After all the man is a Human being and we should treat him so.
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cb was never a suspect in the inga case, he has presented an alibi, that was seen as sufficient, and even somewhere after 2020 cb was made part of the madeleine case, there was looked again into and nothing was sticking to him again.
the raid on the old box factory was in a time in 2016, that in europe, many servers have been taken down, the police there made just use from a complaint about stench coming from the terrain, but that kind of problems would nowhere be followed up with about 100 feet on the ground, most police offers. but is is often used to get access in a legal way and search the lot to the full.
the only strange thing is, cb never made it into a case from the material, including nasty pictures of children.
it is never made known why sachsen anhalt never started a case about these findings.
when the portuguese arrested cb during that case on a playground, he had open conviction for drugs transporting/dealing, and what he had done to the young daughter of his lady friend.
he escaped before both sentences had been followed by jail time, the german 24/7 following procedure ended at the dutch border, cb took a international bus line to italie, and resurfaced a bit later when something was wrong with his papers, germany asked again for extradition and because of that they had for every historic case the permission of italia and/or portugal needed before they could proceed, even for the 2005 rape case as the last listing of 5 cases, they had to ask permission from italy, because these case had not been on the extradition warrant and cb was a free man for the last time at that even in italy.
germany has a rule against extradition of a german national by law, so they do it themselves, if and when they have found out how and where.
the follow up in the madeleine case in germany is most likely by direct question of the uk. the 2005 rape case is also a direct result of the hb testimonies done first in greece , later london to operation grange.
germany has simply asked portugal about cases with the same mo of the happenings on the video's hb supposed to have seen, the 2005 rape case is the result of that. it was a case that sticked to cb and could kept him in, so they could work the case of madeleine against him.
it is still a guess, but the sayings about portugal have others, the parents as most likely suspects in the madeleine case is very probably a relic from operation grange selling cb to another country.
cb is not a poor guy, he lived a life of crime, from crime to crime, made many victims, the girls he used for his habbit, the drugs he transported and sold, often in exchange for sex was not harmless, all the stealing and robbing also made victims.
so please do not have mersey with the guy, my objections are not meant for him, but against the abuse of juridical procedures in a way, it only can make true innocent victims in the future. this is a proven bad guy, most of his former convictions has even a confession from his own free will given.
and even if we lack the law to put guys like this one away and out of society forever, it still is important to get him behind bars for things he truly did. because we create only deception, when we present the wrong perpetrator to a victim, that can never be justice to any victim.
and i think the way this case got the attention it has is also quite harmful to victims of crimes, not only about possibly the wrong guy, but also the resurrection of bad memories, but also again a let down, as it stands at the moment, no cps who wants to fight for these victims, no court case in sight. these are the poor poor people we can put our mersey to.
do not walk in a fallacy , by stories that are in circulation about , the cps needs some cases, so he can ask to keep they bad guy in for live, not in jail, but the cps can use that to play ball, better circumstances for cb and a confession in the madeleine case. really, by that we can only conclude that 3 known convictions in cases of sa against 3 young female victims have not been enough to do that long time ago, sorry dear victims, your cases do not count. that is also very harmful for the by know much older ladies.
or think a bit about the irish holiday rep, who had to read in the media that a guy was convicted, in a case that has a same mo, who had the guts found to speak up in papers and media, who was thinking this was the guy who did all of that to her. her case is void at the moment. i do not know if cb is the perp who did it, i like to leave that verdict to the courts.
but it would be perfectly normal if this lady is not in an ideal mental state on the moment, she has by now her own family, with children, and it is hardly possible to leave them out of such a part of your emotions.
so people enough to use our mersey on. even if cb is innocent in all the 6 cases in discussion, it never made him into mister nice guy. never!
how innocent is the media, that german cps, by telling the waiting victims, justice is coming, we have him, he will not escape. and it looks more and more it was just false hope again, and again.
the raid on the old box factory was in a time in 2016, that in europe, many servers have been taken down, the police there made just use from a complaint about stench coming from the terrain, but that kind of problems would nowhere be followed up with about 100 feet on the ground, most police offers. but is is often used to get access in a legal way and search the lot to the full.
the only strange thing is, cb never made it into a case from the material, including nasty pictures of children.
it is never made known why sachsen anhalt never started a case about these findings.
when the portuguese arrested cb during that case on a playground, he had open conviction for drugs transporting/dealing, and what he had done to the young daughter of his lady friend.
he escaped before both sentences had been followed by jail time, the german 24/7 following procedure ended at the dutch border, cb took a international bus line to italie, and resurfaced a bit later when something was wrong with his papers, germany asked again for extradition and because of that they had for every historic case the permission of italia and/or portugal needed before they could proceed, even for the 2005 rape case as the last listing of 5 cases, they had to ask permission from italy, because these case had not been on the extradition warrant and cb was a free man for the last time at that even in italy.
germany has a rule against extradition of a german national by law, so they do it themselves, if and when they have found out how and where.
the follow up in the madeleine case in germany is most likely by direct question of the uk. the 2005 rape case is also a direct result of the hb testimonies done first in greece , later london to operation grange.
germany has simply asked portugal about cases with the same mo of the happenings on the video's hb supposed to have seen, the 2005 rape case is the result of that. it was a case that sticked to cb and could kept him in, so they could work the case of madeleine against him.
it is still a guess, but the sayings about portugal have others, the parents as most likely suspects in the madeleine case is very probably a relic from operation grange selling cb to another country.
cb is not a poor guy, he lived a life of crime, from crime to crime, made many victims, the girls he used for his habbit, the drugs he transported and sold, often in exchange for sex was not harmless, all the stealing and robbing also made victims.
so please do not have mersey with the guy, my objections are not meant for him, but against the abuse of juridical procedures in a way, it only can make true innocent victims in the future. this is a proven bad guy, most of his former convictions has even a confession from his own free will given.
and even if we lack the law to put guys like this one away and out of society forever, it still is important to get him behind bars for things he truly did. because we create only deception, when we present the wrong perpetrator to a victim, that can never be justice to any victim.
and i think the way this case got the attention it has is also quite harmful to victims of crimes, not only about possibly the wrong guy, but also the resurrection of bad memories, but also again a let down, as it stands at the moment, no cps who wants to fight for these victims, no court case in sight. these are the poor poor people we can put our mersey to.
do not walk in a fallacy , by stories that are in circulation about , the cps needs some cases, so he can ask to keep they bad guy in for live, not in jail, but the cps can use that to play ball, better circumstances for cb and a confession in the madeleine case. really, by that we can only conclude that 3 known convictions in cases of sa against 3 young female victims have not been enough to do that long time ago, sorry dear victims, your cases do not count. that is also very harmful for the by know much older ladies.
or think a bit about the irish holiday rep, who had to read in the media that a guy was convicted, in a case that has a same mo, who had the guts found to speak up in papers and media, who was thinking this was the guy who did all of that to her. her case is void at the moment. i do not know if cb is the perp who did it, i like to leave that verdict to the courts.
but it would be perfectly normal if this lady is not in an ideal mental state on the moment, she has by now her own family, with children, and it is hardly possible to leave them out of such a part of your emotions.
so people enough to use our mersey on. even if cb is innocent in all the 6 cases in discussion, it never made him into mister nice guy. never!
how innocent is the media, that german cps, by telling the waiting victims, justice is coming, we have him, he will not escape. and it looks more and more it was just false hope again, and again.
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cb was never a suspect in the inga case, he has presented an alibi, that was seen as sufficient, and even somewhere after 2020 cb was made part of the madeleine case, there was looked again into and nothing was sticking to him again.
My mistake, I thought because he was thouroughly investigated and his pallet factory dug up he was a suspect in the Inga case.
I thought it was dropped only because they could find no evidence of his involvement.
Why, if he wasn't a suspect, would the police investigate him, did all the known paedophiles in the area get the same treatment.
cb was never a suspect in the inga case, he has presented an alibi, that was seen as sufficient, and even somewhere after 2020 cb was made part of the madeleine case, there was looked again into and nothing was sticking to him again.
My mistake, I thought because he was thouroughly investigated and his pallet factory dug up he was a suspect in the Inga case.
I thought it was dropped only because they could find no evidence of his involvement.
Why, if he wasn't a suspect, would the police investigate him, did all the known paedophiles in the area get the same treatment.
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bevcoffee wrote:I have watched impassioned as Christian has been vilified by the Press based upon zero evidence. I cannot believe how the poor guy manages to sit alone in his cell listening to this constant barrage of Garbage from the Gutter Press together with the the Made-Up-Journalism of Jon Clark.
If Christian is released from his 7 year Prison Sentence, then he will have served his time. If the Gutter Press hound him upon his release then he will have the right to sue all those Press 'professionals' who concocted the lies, like Jon Clarke.
Here's hoping that Christian gets the right legal representation to defend his shattered reputation. After all the man is a Human being and we should treat him so.
Post of the decade !
If there be any truth in any of the allegations made in the name of Christian Brueckner, that is enough for his condemnation within the confines of Germany. Why the need to portray the man as the world's 'Most Wanted' just because his name has been appended by some anonymous force to the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
I think it's nicely summed-up in the oft repeated gutter press choice of words .... 'the German prosecutors are desperate to find evidence to connect Brueckner to the abduction and killing of Madelelline McCann' - or words to that effect.
And it's not only Jon Clarke of the Olive Press who propagates falsity, the whole press gambit are guilty of building a mammoth fantasy around the disappearance and almost certain death of a little defenseless three year old child.
Madeleine who?
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of course they would be interested in cb, based on his earlier convictions, so he would always be very easy a person of interest, a term we nicked from a usa sheriff, officially it is not an existing title in law. but used for people you have no direct leads to make them investigation suspect. germany is a bit different, as soon as a complaint possible criminal act and under criminal law they could look in to it, they even have that as an obligation in their own guidelines.
overhere it would impossible to being so open and about a person under suspicion, you only become a legal suspect when the investigation leads to bringing charges. we would not be able to do that for other than a very short time, so we would just would make it into a legally sound suspect under investigation. you have to get a very sound story together why you would not do that. but a person who is already in jail would never fit that solution.
the problem of not having that legal title of suspect under investigation is you have little room to defend yourself. nice if you can afford a lawyer on your own, but many can not. and rights to one only go with that being officially made suspect.
but most police officers working a certain area would like to keep an eye out on the bad apples living there. so when you end up with having a legally sound reason to get a warrant to get access to a property, of course you always want to make use of the situation. i am even aware of multiple situations that have been made to get access. a dutch favorite way was using the possibility to organizing a traffic control, where your favorite person would become part of. a few years ago a judge did not like that at al, so it becomes harder.
so a pretty small complaint about a stench from a derelict old factory terrain, would normally not even made it onto a desk in serious crime, nice job for the juniors or even a environmental service of a government body.
but if such a person is on the list of less law abiding people, it is always nice to make a party in blue. often the locals around such a place are available with these handy suggestions, like if you are sure they has no meth lab there. or there are always a lot of foreigners around on all times.
well this raid was very successful, the stench from the complaints was served by 2 dead dogs, and under one of them a unknown person, at a unknown time had buried a grocery bag of the lidl, when one of the officers looked in the bag, he saw material consistent with usb drives and memory card as known from consumer camera's. it becomes a bit more murky after that, they have searched on a lot of other places. it resulted as publicized in a local paper of at least 6000 pictures, with child porn, animal sex and cb in obscure positions, to stay within the guidelines of this forum, think about some holes on the human male and a certain part of a tow bar part.
later on in the media the amount of pictures have been growing into 8000. the amount with cb on it are kept between a 100 and a lot more. it is unclear if the books das buch and das address.
officially this raid had nothing to do with a case against minors. but if they had found something, they had also that sound legal reason to warrant the search.
no police force would leave such an opportunity out if it is served to them. and you have to have sometimes a bit of flexibility in how you use your grey matter best. and you have to keep it within the law and not make it to much into a habit.
but there is no word about a case against cb in relation to these finds, i have some grapevines in that part of germany, but they had also no explanation for it. it is no problem to make use of the findings in other cases, and hcw is certainly doing that.
such collection is something common for these typ of people, to get access to most groups of like minded on the internet and the dark web side even more, you have to buy yourself in, not with money, but by sharing nasty pictures, and the better once in their understanding, want pictures with them in it, so they can use then to blackmail them into silence. a horrible job to handle that line in police work. most can hardly handle 2 years to the max. i never could do that. i get instand as mad as hell, and i do most of these guys out in my own area, and you can do nothing with that knowledge. and no, none of them looks like a bogeyman.
my stance about one strike is out forever has a history.
so yes, if a guy with this history makes a mistake, that could serve to legal access i certainly would not mind it all. and do you find something, it is not that hard to write it into a usable report.
so nobody is officially going to tell the public that the guy with a alibi had his property raided for an other reason, or just a fishing expedition.
cb is of course easy game, he made it very easy to hate him. he has a excellent team of lawyers, so his rights are pretty safe and secured.
overhere it would impossible to being so open and about a person under suspicion, you only become a legal suspect when the investigation leads to bringing charges. we would not be able to do that for other than a very short time, so we would just would make it into a legally sound suspect under investigation. you have to get a very sound story together why you would not do that. but a person who is already in jail would never fit that solution.
the problem of not having that legal title of suspect under investigation is you have little room to defend yourself. nice if you can afford a lawyer on your own, but many can not. and rights to one only go with that being officially made suspect.
but most police officers working a certain area would like to keep an eye out on the bad apples living there. so when you end up with having a legally sound reason to get a warrant to get access to a property, of course you always want to make use of the situation. i am even aware of multiple situations that have been made to get access. a dutch favorite way was using the possibility to organizing a traffic control, where your favorite person would become part of. a few years ago a judge did not like that at al, so it becomes harder.
so a pretty small complaint about a stench from a derelict old factory terrain, would normally not even made it onto a desk in serious crime, nice job for the juniors or even a environmental service of a government body.
but if such a person is on the list of less law abiding people, it is always nice to make a party in blue. often the locals around such a place are available with these handy suggestions, like if you are sure they has no meth lab there. or there are always a lot of foreigners around on all times.
well this raid was very successful, the stench from the complaints was served by 2 dead dogs, and under one of them a unknown person, at a unknown time had buried a grocery bag of the lidl, when one of the officers looked in the bag, he saw material consistent with usb drives and memory card as known from consumer camera's. it becomes a bit more murky after that, they have searched on a lot of other places. it resulted as publicized in a local paper of at least 6000 pictures, with child porn, animal sex and cb in obscure positions, to stay within the guidelines of this forum, think about some holes on the human male and a certain part of a tow bar part.
later on in the media the amount of pictures have been growing into 8000. the amount with cb on it are kept between a 100 and a lot more. it is unclear if the books das buch and das address.
officially this raid had nothing to do with a case against minors. but if they had found something, they had also that sound legal reason to warrant the search.
no police force would leave such an opportunity out if it is served to them. and you have to have sometimes a bit of flexibility in how you use your grey matter best. and you have to keep it within the law and not make it to much into a habit.
but there is no word about a case against cb in relation to these finds, i have some grapevines in that part of germany, but they had also no explanation for it. it is no problem to make use of the findings in other cases, and hcw is certainly doing that.
such collection is something common for these typ of people, to get access to most groups of like minded on the internet and the dark web side even more, you have to buy yourself in, not with money, but by sharing nasty pictures, and the better once in their understanding, want pictures with them in it, so they can use then to blackmail them into silence. a horrible job to handle that line in police work. most can hardly handle 2 years to the max. i never could do that. i get instand as mad as hell, and i do most of these guys out in my own area, and you can do nothing with that knowledge. and no, none of them looks like a bogeyman.
my stance about one strike is out forever has a history.
so yes, if a guy with this history makes a mistake, that could serve to legal access i certainly would not mind it all. and do you find something, it is not that hard to write it into a usable report.
so nobody is officially going to tell the public that the guy with a alibi had his property raided for an other reason, or just a fishing expedition.
cb is of course easy game, he made it very easy to hate him. he has a excellent team of lawyers, so his rights are pretty safe and secured.
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Brueckner made it easy to hate him?
I'd never heard of him before the press got their gnashers into the name, since then his ugly mug is all I see splashed across the internet and daily tabloids. I'd sooner have left matters as they were before his debut.
I don't hate him anyway, I don't know him. I can't be accused of hating his crimes because I've never seen any evidence of the crimes he has committed - allegedly. I have however seen a lot of press and media hype to poison the mind of the reader, it's not even auto-suggestion .... it's propaganda.
As bevcoffee said up-page, when Christian Brueckner (if he even exists in anything but name) gets out of prison, he has enough material to sue the press from here to kingdom come.
They alone are responsible for persecuting a name they apparently know little or nothing about - it is they alone who have caused hatred to fill the airwaves, not the victim held behind bars.
Hell, they didn't even have the evidence to sentence Christian Brueckner for the alleged rape of a 70+ year old woman and even if the prisoner did rape an elderly woman, that hardly compares to the abduction, possible abuse and murder of a three year old child.
As for the alleged playground incidents that have only been circulated by hearsay - very hard to swallow!
I'd never heard of him before the press got their gnashers into the name, since then his ugly mug is all I see splashed across the internet and daily tabloids. I'd sooner have left matters as they were before his debut.
I don't hate him anyway, I don't know him. I can't be accused of hating his crimes because I've never seen any evidence of the crimes he has committed - allegedly. I have however seen a lot of press and media hype to poison the mind of the reader, it's not even auto-suggestion .... it's propaganda.
As bevcoffee said up-page, when Christian Brueckner (if he even exists in anything but name) gets out of prison, he has enough material to sue the press from here to kingdom come.
They alone are responsible for persecuting a name they apparently know little or nothing about - it is they alone who have caused hatred to fill the airwaves, not the victim held behind bars.
Hell, they didn't even have the evidence to sentence Christian Brueckner for the alleged rape of a 70+ year old woman and even if the prisoner did rape an elderly woman, that hardly compares to the abduction, possible abuse and murder of a three year old child.
As for the alleged playground incidents that have only been circulated by hearsay - very hard to swallow!
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More likely Herr Wolters made it easy for people to hate him, he has done a real hatchet job on CB.
Having said that, he must be acting within the law, it must be legal in Germany to call someone a kidnapper and murderer without a shred of evidence.
Having said that, he must be acting within the law, it must be legal in Germany to call someone a kidnapper and murderer without a shred of evidence.
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Maybe Christian Brueckner might have a good case to present before the European Court of Human Rights .... Christain Brueckner v. Germany.
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Yet they draw the line at mentioning the suspect's name? How strange.crusader wrote:More likely Herr Wolters made it easy for people to hate him, he has done a real hatchet job on CB.
Having said that, he must be acting within the law, it must be legal in Germany to call someone a kidnapper and murderer without a shred of evidence.
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it is easy for the public to hate people with multiple offences against very young children. and he has then on his name, tried and convicted. it is not nice of germany to put his offences blocked out from view to the public. but they are there. that is not the offspring of a frivolous hcw or the media.
and i do mean with hate the strong negative emotion in the meaning of that wording itself, not the modern adaption on social media. hate is not about the person, but of the behavior. the part of us, where we simply have a choice in. it is also the only part of us, the law will look into.
hcw only used what was already on his name, and put just some extra buckets of dirt to it.
that 2005 rape case, is still baffling me, i have been able to read most documents from that case. still i can not understand how that first passed on to a cps, and by that cps in a court, in germany they have even a commission that decide that the case is sound enough to bring charges and the arrest, it even passed that, got through the court and got even a guilty verdict from it. it only can be a very strange form of miracle that happened. strange things can happen, but so much of it is baffling.
if i remember correctly even hcw used his full name in one of his many interviews around the globe. maybe one of the sandra f ones and the australian production. maybe he had the idea it does not count outside of the german borders. and if it was not his german boss who send him there and payed for the trip, he technically can even be right. ethically he can not be right, because he was each times sold to a public as a public servant. he would never be in these kind of media if he was not. it was his title that brought him out there, so at least you could respect your own title.
and no, in the german declaration of the task of the german cps, convicting is beholden to the courts of law. and explicit named as not within the task of a german cps. hcw is not a complete idiot, when in germany his use of language have a different expression, than when he speaks english, at least his version of it. he knows how to say things very well, and knows how the public will take on his words.
in most european countries with the typical continental law, with roman, french, a bit of spain and a dash of german law fundament in it, the media have very little legal boundaries. most are only guidelines, or agreements. only they have to keep up just the same rulings about defamation. the same basic rules of law are just the same for media.
we have already seen that dutch judges are not easy going with too much framing of a investigation suspect, or a court suspect by the public, media included. and there are already verdicts that keep the public punishment as part of the total punishment, so a lesser jail time. and time will tell if it becomes what we call it an arrest, to understand as a common rule of law in all later court procedures.
most defamation is done under uk law, most even under english law, last time i did read about that bit of law, there is a pretty short time to bring a defamation complaint before the courts, if remembered correctly only 2 months. so that would be easy to just stop being nasty in the media and there is nothing to bring on in a court. and they already have found a way out by just nicking one of the others as the source.
writers of books could have a bigger problem, if such a work of 'art' is still on sale of course, in 2026.
i always had the idea, these top notch lawyers would be in it because of the very high odds ending up before the european courts. that's where you can set your reputation in concrete. the good old german quality stuff, not the modern stuff with the same name a certain german cps is selling to the public.
and i do mean with hate the strong negative emotion in the meaning of that wording itself, not the modern adaption on social media. hate is not about the person, but of the behavior. the part of us, where we simply have a choice in. it is also the only part of us, the law will look into.
hcw only used what was already on his name, and put just some extra buckets of dirt to it.
that 2005 rape case, is still baffling me, i have been able to read most documents from that case. still i can not understand how that first passed on to a cps, and by that cps in a court, in germany they have even a commission that decide that the case is sound enough to bring charges and the arrest, it even passed that, got through the court and got even a guilty verdict from it. it only can be a very strange form of miracle that happened. strange things can happen, but so much of it is baffling.
if i remember correctly even hcw used his full name in one of his many interviews around the globe. maybe one of the sandra f ones and the australian production. maybe he had the idea it does not count outside of the german borders. and if it was not his german boss who send him there and payed for the trip, he technically can even be right. ethically he can not be right, because he was each times sold to a public as a public servant. he would never be in these kind of media if he was not. it was his title that brought him out there, so at least you could respect your own title.
and no, in the german declaration of the task of the german cps, convicting is beholden to the courts of law. and explicit named as not within the task of a german cps. hcw is not a complete idiot, when in germany his use of language have a different expression, than when he speaks english, at least his version of it. he knows how to say things very well, and knows how the public will take on his words.
in most european countries with the typical continental law, with roman, french, a bit of spain and a dash of german law fundament in it, the media have very little legal boundaries. most are only guidelines, or agreements. only they have to keep up just the same rulings about defamation. the same basic rules of law are just the same for media.
we have already seen that dutch judges are not easy going with too much framing of a investigation suspect, or a court suspect by the public, media included. and there are already verdicts that keep the public punishment as part of the total punishment, so a lesser jail time. and time will tell if it becomes what we call it an arrest, to understand as a common rule of law in all later court procedures.
most defamation is done under uk law, most even under english law, last time i did read about that bit of law, there is a pretty short time to bring a defamation complaint before the courts, if remembered correctly only 2 months. so that would be easy to just stop being nasty in the media and there is nothing to bring on in a court. and they already have found a way out by just nicking one of the others as the source.
writers of books could have a bigger problem, if such a work of 'art' is still on sale of course, in 2026.
i always had the idea, these top notch lawyers would be in it because of the very high odds ending up before the european courts. that's where you can set your reputation in concrete. the good old german quality stuff, not the modern stuff with the same name a certain german cps is selling to the public.
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