If Madeleine McCann died on Sunday 29 April, what was really going on behind the scenes that week?

sequested wrote:It’s worth noting that the “kids” window and “parents” window are very different sizes. I’m can’t determine whether the parents “window” is in actual fact an opening or sliding door. The shutter is about 1.5m wide and full height from ground to soffit. Does anyone know for certain ?

Verdi wrote:
If you are referring to the door leading to the terrace/patio area, then it is undoubtedly a sliding door.  Otherwise there is window access to the side elevation of the building.  Accessibility through this means would be difficult unless like Pamela Fenn's b-b-b*burglar - you could fly through the air with the greatest of ease.

Madeleine McCann Research wrote:

Verdi wrote:
If you are referring to the door leading to the terrace/patio area, then it is undoubtedly a sliding door.  Otherwise there is window access to the side elevation of the building.  Accessibility through this means would be difficult unless like Pamela Fenn's b-b-b*burglar - you could fly through the air with the greatest of ease.

Hi Verdi, and a very warm welcome back from the MMRG to this great forum.

We see that you have already contributed to the forum on this thread since your return.

There are few Madeleine threads running on the forum right now but we think this is an important one. 

Help us with it where you can please.

Yes, it is speculative, because we are trying to deduce what certain figures may have been doing - if it is true that Madeleine suffered a serious event late on Sunday. But there are statements. There are press reports.

Obviously if there was a grand cover-up lasting for four days, resulting in a hoax abduction on 3 May, none of those involved, and there must have been quite a few, are going to tell us about it.

So we have to make some deductions about it.

The results of the poll so far are interesting

1578 'That number called your mobile'.

Reply 'Ten thirty, (inaudible), well I don't know, the only people that, well I think the only people I spoke to, I know that a client did ring me one of the days but it wouldn't have been ten thirty at night, erm it was either that Friday or the following Friday to cancel an interview that was happening but I mean that wouldn't have been at ten thirty at night, erm I would think, I mean I suppose it could, it might have been a Journalist, because on the night that Madeleine disappeared, on the Thursday, a friend of mine, or friends of Matts and mine, Kath and James LANDALE and James LANDALE's a BBC News erm and at the time he was like Political Correspondent, erm I saw him the other night actually reading the news on BBC News 24 but I rang him, or I rang his wife Kath cos I had her mobile number, erm basically to say you know that Madeleine had gone missing, was there any way that we could get it on the news and that was, that was on the Thursday night, so I suppose and it was the loc, it was the, was it the Local Elections or something happening that day''

00.05.56 1578 'I dont know'.

Reply 'There were some sort of Elections, must have been Local Elections and James was out, away reporting on that but anyway Kath put me in touch with him and I spoke to him and I spoke to a couple of people on the BBC News 24 desk, so I mean you know, it must'.

1578 'That was on the Thursday evening''

Reply 'That was on the Thursday night'.

1578 'What time would that have been''

Reply 'Well that was sort of you know, midnight after midnight (inaudible)'.

1578 'And this was just after ten thirty pm, twenty two thirty six''

Reply 'On the thir, but that was on the fourth''

1578 'Yes sorry you're correct on the fourth, Friday so'.

Reply 'Yeah, I mean it could have been somebody calling I suppose in relation to that possibly, erm but otherwise, I mean I only really spoke to you know, sort of my mum and sort of you know, close friends and family, erm and then you know, well Kath, Kath, James' wife and then James rang me and I think I rang him back and then a couple of people from the BBC News 24 rang, but that was the Thursday night'.

00.07.10 1578 'Okay'.

Reply 'Erm and actually I do remember actually, on the Friday, my phone went a lot with lots of different BBC people ringing at various times, so that could have gone on until the evening'.

1578 'Alright then, we move on. Who is the user of phone number ......''

Reply '... erm'.

1578 'There are a number of text exchanges between you and that person both ways'.

Reply 'Right'.

1578 'On the second of the fifth and also fourth of the fifth, one, two, three, four, five, there were six messages, exchanges on the second'.

Reply 'Okay right'.

1578 'And five exchanges on the fourth'.
....................

Reply 'Yeah that was Kath LANDALE, James LANDALES wife, I used to work with Kath, that's how we know them, she was a Solicitor and so was I, erm'.

1578 'Whereabouts does Kath live''

Reply 'Erm in Hampshire'.

1578 'Do you know the address''

Reply 'Erm you know it's something like, erm something............... mmm I mean no, not really'.

1578 'No, don't worry. So again the relationship between you, is that you used to work together''

Reply 'I used to, yeah Kath and I used to work together and erm her husband James is a BBC Political Correspondent'.

1578 'The contact between yourself and, and Kath'.

Reply 'Mmm'.

1578 'Was all on the fourth, starting at one forty two in the morning'.

Reply 'Okay'.

1578 'Where you called her number'.

Reply 'Mmm'.
....................

1578 'She called you back at one fifty eight'.

Reply 'Mmm yeah'.

1578 'For about, well nearly seven minutes and she called you back again two twenty two am'.
Reply 'Right, I mean I called her initially to, cos I didn't have their home number, I just had Kath's mobile, so to try and get hold of James and then she said yeah, he, he wasn't at home cos of the Elections, so she said she'd get in touch with him and then call me back, or somebody would call me back, so she called me back and I think I remember then giving her details of where we were and you know how old Madeleine was and that sort of thing and then I think she passed that on again to, to James, erm and then obviously, then must have rang me back then and just said, I think maybe on her last phone call she might have rung me back and said somebody from News 24 would call me, erm or, or that James would call me or something, cos I did speak to James on the night as well I think, erm but I spoke I think a few times to some, to somebody from the BBC News 24, erm so those conversations'.

00.18.30 1578 'On Kath's phone''

Reply 'No, no, they'.

1578 'They called you back''

Reply 'Yeah they would have been, I mean they would have either have been London numbers or erm, or mobile numbers I guess'.

1578 'There's a total of nine contacts between yourself and Katherine's mobile one way or the other'.
Reply 'Oh right'.

1578 'Between one forty two am on the fourth'.

Reply 'Mmm'.

1578 'And twelve thirty nine pm on the fourth'.

Reply 'Right, well that would have just been between me and Kath and just probably her just finding out what was happening'.

1578 'Just giving'.

Reply 'And if anyone had contacted us and I think'.

1578 'The last one, two, three, four, five, the last six contacts were text messages'.

Reply 'Mmm right'.

00.19.27 1578 'Either way, I don't suppose you'd still have those text messages on your phone''

Reply 'No, no sorry I'm a bit, anything like that and I get rid of everything, erm, actually I didn't, I should have brought with me, I've got lots of scraps of paper from that, you know from the third onwards of different numbers that I took from people from the BBC and newspapers and stuff like that, people who'd rung me and then email addresses and all that sort of thing, I didn't bring any of those with me, cos basically as soon as I'd rung Kath and you know somebody from News 24 rang me back at some stage for the, basically from then on, my number seemed to obviously have gone everywhere and had loads of reporters ringing newspapers and'.

1578 'Right'.

Reply 'And I've got various numbers written down on bits of paper'.

1578 'It's, it starts as they all do, it starts with ..'.

Reply 'Right'.

1578 'But for simplicity when I've been asking you about mobiles'.

Reply 'Yeah'.

1578 'I've taken the .. off and added a zero'.

Reply 'Okay'.

1578 'This full number is ..'.

Reply 'Mmm'.

1578 '........... and you received a call from them at zero two thirty three on the fourth of the fifth, so half two in the morning on the fourth'.
Reply 'Morning, I should imagine that would have been somebody from the BBC I expect, erm, can I write that, can I write it down just so I can see it''

00.21.58 1578 'Yes'.

Reply 'Erm got a bit of paper, thanks so'.

1578 '..'.

Reply 'Mmm mmm'.

1578 ................. and that was timed at two thirty three twenty eight, two thirty three twenty eight seconds'.

Reply 'Yeah'.

1578 'On the fourth of the fifth'.

Reply 'Yeah, that's a funny number, erm'.

1578 'And again the same questions, what's the relationship between you and that person and what was the nature of the call''

Reply 'Mmm, I mean I don't recognise the number and I can only look in my, I can't, do you know how to look at just numbers in here, erm, erm unless it was like you know the Consulate or something but otherwise (inaudible), erm ... no, I mean I've got Bill HENSON's number who was the, was either Consulate or the Ambassador, it's not that number but that's got as many numbers in, so it could either have been the, you know like the British Embassy in Portugal, or it would be somebody from the BBC, otherwise I think'.

1578 'Okay. Right the next number .................................
Reply 'Erm'.

1578 'And you contacted that number once on the second at nine fifty seven am and twice on the fourth, eight ten am and twelve thirty four pm'.

Reply 'Erm, erm'.

1578 'No''

Reply 'Got no idea'.

00.26.03 1578 'Would it help if I''

Reply '(Inaudible) me to ring somebody on the second and it would, would have said it was, you know, it might have been a work related thing and then I wouldn't, I don't think I'd have been ringing anyone at sort of ten past eight on Friday, erm'.

1578 'Would it help if I suggest that it could be a customer service number of some sort, what Network are you on''

Reply 'Erm I'm on Orange but I think I might have been on Vodafone then (inaudible)'.

1578 'So could it be a message retrieval system or something''

Reply 'Oh yeah, voicemail, (inaudible)......... voicemail'.

1578 'So does that indicate that someone's left you a message and you've picked the message up''
Reply 'Yes and that's picking it up yes, yeah'.

1578 'Again can you recall the nature of the message''

Reply 'No, no, on the, on the second you know it would either have be my mum, my sister, it might have been somebody at work leaving me a message, you know, I mean nobody, it wouldn't have been anyone import, well you know not, you know, I don't, any really on holiday I will speak to kind of my mum and my sister, erm and yeah I suppose work might be the other thing, picking up a message from somebody at work probably, I mean on holiday I had my phone switched off in the day and I just check it for messages in the evening, or you know when we came back at lunch or something like that perhaps'.

1578 'Yes'.

There, I learn on good authority, three of the Tapas Nine were put into a room with Murat, and each of them identified him as a man they’d seen hanging about the resort in the hours after Madeleine vanished. One of the witnesses, Fiona Payne, told police she’d actually seen him behind the McCanns’ villa that night, and recalled his “dodgy eye.” Another, Russell O’Brien, claimed Murat had said he spoke Portuguese as well as English, which is in fact the case. The McCann friends were not alone in their suspicions. By late December it emerged that three other witnesses claimed to have seen Murat near the McCanns’ villa apartment the night of the abduction.

It is part of the odd dynamic of this story that when I phone Sally Eveleigh, Murat’s cousin, who also lives in Praia da Luz, her first remark is that she cannot utter a syllable about Murat without the O.K. of her British press agent, the famously rambunctious Max Clifford. And when his blessing is secured, her second is: “Wonderful, darling, see you shortly. Robert can’t talk to you, because he’s an arguido. But we’ll have a bit of a party, won’t we?”

Verdi wrote:
SERGEY MALINKA
Processo, Volume VI, pages 1453-58 (6 pages)

WITNESSES STATEMENT

Date: 2007/05/16 Time: 22:30 Location: DIC Portim'
Officer: John Carlos and Luis Pereira, Inspectors

As for the computers he had at home he said that one of them is his property, without brand, and the other two belong to customers, including a customer from Burgau, but he does not know the name, and another from the firm

'Avenue properties", with offices in Lagos and Praia da Luz. In his car he also had a laptop computer which he bought today in the "People's Radio" brand "Accer", for the sum of '599.

--- Also in Burgau he has a client by the name of "SALLY", a female, who is an aunt or cousin of ROBERT. She has a home called 'Salsalito' near the International School of Burgau. This visit occurred about a week ago, day 08 or 09.

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Verdi wrote:Who was where when and why - what were they doing?

Rather than asking the question .... 'who was the controller' I think we should first try to establish if there was a 'controlling force' in the form of one body, an omnipotence, or was it a classic case of the proverbial 'rolling stone'.

It can't be denied that the media has played a very prominent role since the beginning, right up to present day, although a shadow of it's former self.  That doesn't necessarily signify, just look at how the pandemic has been covered!  It it also worthwhile to remember, not all media coverage over the years has been favourable to the McCanns, indeed very early on, during the summer and autumn of 2007, there was an abundance of negative news reports splashed across the headlines.  I have highlighted many of these reports here on CMOMM in the past.

Then there is the media connection within the McCanns holiday group of friends and acquaintances.  Rachael Oldfield (nee Mampilly) had connections in the BBC, as evidence in her rogatory interview in April 2008.

ShiningInLuz wrote:

Verdi wrote:
SERGEY MALINKA
Processo, Volume VI, pages 1453-58 (6 pages)

WITNESSES STATEMENT

I hope not.  Mr Malinka is currently trying to sell our property, so we can move elsewhere.

Bell Pottinger - Multinational public relations, reputation management and marketing company

Vera Krista wrote:I am pretty much sure I read somewhere PRNews, PRWeek or on PRNewsWire that Resonate was already there by the 29th

onehand wrote:The McCann family does not have a profile that would automatically be a reason to form all those interests into assistance. Background is pretty empty, not that far into a career [that]# they would have easy access to higher-ups. That is still a missing link. 

That is what made me into thinking there was something else that needed to be kept under covers, and this case was just very useful to kept that nicely out of sight, or the case itself drew so much attention, so many 'nosey' eyes out there, it was helped to keep those 'nosey eyes' easy on that case alone. and the result was quite successful. Bbut that work is still not done, has not lost its cause.

I think the organisation was mostly done by the government, that mix of very amateurish and some moments of pro assistance is usual a government stamp. I have an impression the McCanns tried to get their case back, but no one could have that. So that is forever blackmailing each other. All that are still talking are (now former) government, and have no other choice. Governments are always too cheap and minimalistic. Also they forgot the other McCann affiliates. No-one could have afforded the McCann sister Phil and brother John a minute longer with their mouths open. Such a shame, the absolute worst PR team ever!

Verdi wrote:Always wise I believe to keep things in perspective - look at each and every issue from every angle, before jumping to conclusions in an attempt to find the missing link.

Bell Pottinger was contracted by Mark Warner, not the McCanns.

Bell Pottinger - Multinational public relations, reputation management and marketing company

Back to Mark Warner, a multi-national company with resorts spread across the continents.  Quite reasonable in my view for s large company operating in the tourist industry to engage the services of risk management.

It's no surprise that a Bell Pottinger subsidiary would be present working with Mark Warner's at the beginning of the summer season.  Imagine for a moment there is a pandemic - would the Mark Warner resort or Club Med or Camp David open as usual or would they have a contingency plan to cover all eventualities...enter risk management!

These consultancy services sell themselves with fancy names and words, then they become indispensable.  A firewall for the engaging company.

Personally I don't think there is anything significant here but I'm open to being proved wrong.

Madeleine McCann Research wrote:

Verdi wrote:Always wise I believe to keep things in perspective - look at each and every issue from every angle, before jumping to conclusions in an attempt to find the missing link.

Bell Pottinger was contracted by Mark Warner, not the McCanns.

Bell Pottinger - Multinational public relations, reputation management and marketing company

Back to Mark Warner, a multi-national company with resorts spread across the continents.  Quite reasonable in my view for s large company operating in the tourist industry to engage the services of risk management.

It's no surprise that a Bell Pottinger subsidiary would be present working with Mark Warner's at the beginning of the summer season.  Imagine for a moment there is a pandemic - would the Mark Warner resort or Club Med or Camp David open as usual or would they have a contingency plan to cover all eventualities...enter risk management!

These consultancy services sell themselves with fancy names and words, then they become indispensable.  A firewall for the engaging company.

Personally I don't think there is anything significant here but I'm open to being proved wrong.

Verdi, do you really, honestly. think it is 'nothing significant' that a Director of the most powerful PR company in the UK, Bell Pottinger, is despatched to Praia da Luz, conveniently to be there during the time that Madeleine McCann is subject to a highly controversial' abduction claim, and then, conveniently again, stays on to act as a liaison with British and Portuguese Police, Ambassadors and the like?  

You wrote: "It's no surprise that a Bell Pottinger subsidiary would be present working with Mark Warner's at the beginning of the summer season".

Working on what, pray?

Resonate was no mere 'subsidiary' of Bell Pottinger, one of the two who went out there. Patricia Moon, was an actual Director of Bell Pottinger. 

Like a jigsaw puzzle, Patricia Moon being in Praia da Luz on 3 May 2007 fits perfectly with the word 'cover-up'.

Or don't you see this?  Are you saying: "Nothing to see here! Move On!"?