Pat Brown: The 5 Main Clues in the Madeleine McCann Case

Silentscope wrote:The Crime of Abduction is defined in German law as soon as the Child is removed from its place of Residence or Care without the permission of the Parent or Gaurdian. What has happened to her afterwards is not relevant. Even if the Child is later returned unharmed it is still an offence.

The Evidence is the Child is not where it should be.

The Parents did not consent to its removal from the Family unit.

The Parents say they played no part in her disappearance.

Evidence enough for me.

Madeleine McCann was British, she disappeared whilst on holiday with her family in Portugal. German law has no place in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

You Silentscope, seem to have a problem understanding the true purpose of a forum such as CMOMM.  You rock up after years on the pretext of concern about the German prisoner, expecting to dictate how the forum is administered but I'm sorry to say - that's not how it works.  You don't get to come here and after a few hours start trying to change the course of a well established English speaking professional platform with a determined goal of seeking justice for a little lost soul .... Madeleine McCann.

I asked you some while ago if there is a German site that debates the case of Madeleine McCann, my thought at the time was that your talents would be more suited to a German market - if indeed that's your location/nationality.  Your response was less than clear but I truly wonder why you don't set up a blog or forum for the German market, which I'm quite sure would be good for you and any followers your might manage.  Provide the link and I would gladly return the favour with fact and evidence.  What you do with that of course would be at your discretion,  within your own domain!

Maybe a few members have given you presumed strength by supporting your presence here.  That in itself is not a problem, they are only viewing isolated posts on face value - that's what we are about ,  I however, as forum moderator, see something very different and it's not to the forum's advantage nor to my liking.

Originally back in June 2020, you came here with questions about the involvement of Christian Brueckner in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.  I won't go into detail about your wavering commentary at the time, just suffice to say you left the forum satisfied that the German man had no connection with the case but it wasn't long before you resumed posting with more of the same contradictory narrative from one day to the next - which alas continues to this day.

As I said, you don't appear to know what you are talking about which I'm sure your mentor is aware - hence you are being used as a medium to spread his word.  Cowardice some might say - cunning others might say - unacceptable I say!

You have no respect for the true purpose of this forum, you show no regard for simple forum expectancy, to say nothing of forum etiquette.  I strongly advise you to read and absorb the following link before continuing on your quest for forum dominance.  Not forgetting your abuse of the private messaging facility - underhand tactics arouse suspicion.

https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t14711-forum-etiquette#377086

You are seriously trying my patience.

Think about it - there is no need to respond.

Back on topic!

German law can only be applied to the Abduction by Paedophile as stated by the Parents, because it is now SUSPECTED to have been done by A GERMAN NATIONAL who was in Portugal at the time.

I look forward to seeing Kate and Gerry giving evidence as Witnesses in a Court in Germany sometime soon. Along with all the ‘Concrete evidence’ that Brückner ‘did it’!

But it will probably never be allowed to go ahead...Brückner will no doubt become the ‘most perfect suspect’ sooner or later.

The ‘mitschuld’ (own fault) of the Parents would also be a problem.

Back on Topic.

@ Tony Bennet

1. What time do you say the high tea started and ended?


Creche time finished at 5pm I would estimate high tea start time 4-45 to 6pm.


2. In particular, what time do you say that each of the following arrived at the high tea: Cat Baker, Madeleine, the twins, Gerry McCann?



Time of arrival for Cat Baker, Madeleine Twins I estimate between 4-45 and 5pm.
Gerry anytime before 6pm.


3. Do you suggest that anyone else was present at the high tea, if so, who else do you think was there?



Graham Mcenzie in a 6/12/07 statement referred to seeing the McCann's when children had tea together and played together after tea. 


4. Have you read all the accounts of those who describe the high tea? If so, how do you explain each of the multiple discrepancies in the accounts of Cat Baker, Kate McCann, Gerry McCann and Charlotte Pennington?



I have no explanation as to why the accounts have so many discrepancies. If all the accounts of the high tea were the same, I would be suspicious. People see things in different ways. No-one had any reason to pay particular attention to who arrived and when  They were recalling from memory.


5. Do you think it is a truthful account ('madeleine', hard copy, pp. 66-67) that Madeleine was 'so pale and worn out' when Kate saw her Madeleine first 'at 5.30pm', and that 'the five of us' went back to the apartment with Kate 'carrying Madeleine'? Is it really credible that Kate, rather than Gerry, was carrying Madeleine?



Neil Berry remarked on Netflix about his kids being tired out after a busy week. I can see nothing unusual about Kate carrying Madeleine the short distance from the pool area and Gerry walking with the twins.


6. Do you say that there was a 'like' high tea at the Tapas bar every other day of the week? If so, please, where do you find the evidence for that?



Maria Manuela Antonia Jose, cook tapas, in a statement   dated 6/5/07 said the last time she saw Madeleine was approximately 16-30 3rd May when she was having dinner with the other children in their part of the restaurant, as she did each day of the week.


Tiago Rochas  Barreiros Tapas supervisor, in a 8/5/07 statement said he remembers the missing child's family frequented the tapas pool where they took their children between 16-45 -17-30 at the time babysitters would take care of the children. 


What about the other families staying at Ocean club and using the creche, if no High tea was available wouldn't  they have been making statements to the Pj to say there was no  high tea.


Just for the record. I have a big problem with the creche registration sheets of Madeleine's Lobster group. I will post later.

Thank you *@crusader*. Am preparing replies to all your posts but am behind schedule

Just for the record, In no way do I think the McCann's are innocent.

Re creche sheets..
1.No statements from Naylor, Mann, Totman and Patel confirming or denying or confirming the high tea.
2.Much of the handwriting and numbers look the same, as if written by the same person.
3. Some children not signed out.
Some children signed out by Cat especially on Tuesday.
4.I can understand there being a difference of about 5 mins or so dropping Madeleine and the twins in different locations, ie Twins 2-30. Madeleine 2-35.
There should be no such 5min difference after high tea because they were in the same location.

@crusader


I must explain why I have not yet replied to you.

Several days ago I was writing an answer to the point about Robert Murat having called the PJ about 'some foreign woman'.

I was going through all your answers on this thread and answering each one in detail, all on one document.

Having had quite a few matters to see to in the past two weeks, I left my reply to you in abeyance.

Tonight I had sometime to spare - but try as I might, I cannot find the document I was typing up.

I did, about two weeks ago, have a situation where I had to close my computer with one or more documents unsaved.

Usually the computer recovers these, no problem.

I will carry on searching for it but - sorry - that's where I am at the moment. It will be a real blow if I have to start again, there was a lot of material there.

I lost a lot of my work due to my laptop, I had to buy a new one last week.