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Post by Jill Havern 04.04.21 20:04



The 5 Main Clues in the Madeleine McCann Case

There are so many theories, conversations, and arguments over what actually happened to Maddie McCann...was it an abduction by a child predator, was it an accident covered up, or was it an even more nefarious crime involving a number of people there at the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz during the spring of 2007? In this video, I break down the most important evidence to focus in on what is the most likely scenario of what happened to Madeleine McCann; the top five clues in the Madeleine McCann case that support the theory of the McCann involvement and I will also discuss the ZERO clues any police agency has that supports the abduction theory.

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This interview was initially part of a short documentary I was going to make but it fell through in the end. However, Pat Brown gave such an amazing interview I felt I had to surface it somewhere, especially considering Scotland Yard have a new "breakthrough" suspect.

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Post by PeterMac 05.04.21 8:25

I have just listened to Pat Brown’s YouTube talk.
(Accepting that she still thinks the relevant date is 3/5/7, even though not necessarily as late as reported)

It explains, for me, why she places so much emphasis on Smithman
This is a précis of her argument. it is at 1hr:40 ff, and it is spelled out in more detail in the second YouTube given above at 16:00 onwards

Tannerman is important because it gives GM an alibi. They are seen in the same street at the same time by an independent witness.

When Smithman is reported, the McCanns dismiss the sighting. They do not insist that the PJ spend huge effort trying to find who it was.
And it is the fact of that Non-interest which is of importance.

In the book it is also largely glossed over, except that reference is made to Tannerman and Smithman being one and the same people.

And the reason for that is that GM has no cast-iron alibi for the Smithman sighting
And he must have an alibi.   
The possibility that they are two fathers carrying two children some 400m and 45 minutes apart is irrelevant to that over-riding principle.

As we now know Tannerman was dismissed officially by Redwood, which merely confuses the situation ! (even further)
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Post by Doug D 05.04.21 9:23

And malicious Pam still seemingly spouting vitriol!
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Post by Jill Havern 05.04.21 9:50

I noticed that...I think Pat blocked her from the channel though.

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Post by crusader 05.04.21 13:05

Snipped from @PeterMac.


It explains, for me, why she places so much emphasis on Smithman
This is a précis of her argument. it is at 1hr:40 ff, and it is spelled out in more detail in the second YouTube given above at 16:00 onwards

Tannerman is important because it gives GM an alibi. They are seen in the same street at the same time by an independent witness.


That is exactly what I thought.
 The person who was carrying Madelene at 10 pm and  was seen by the Smith family, panicked and that is when the Tannerman sighting was invented.


The Smith family have nothing to gain by telling lies. I would rather believe someone who didn't know the McCann's, than one of the tapas lot.  
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Post by Verdi 05.04.21 13:47

So back to Madeleine McCann disappearing on the night of 3rd May 2007 !?!

So back to the Smithman (or mythman - a matter of personal preference) and Gerry McCann carrying a corpse around the streets of Praia da Luz at 22:00H.

Bang goes years of hard slog in quest of the truth!

Why does Gerry McCann need an alibi to cover his movements on the evening of 3rd May 2007?  By all intents and purposes, the dirty work had been done and dusted (literally?) days beforehand, the only remaining work in hand was to give the phantom abductor the opportunity to abduct - the evening/night of 3rd May 2007.

Pat Brown, interesting as her analysis might be considered, is not an aficionado of the case and she looks through the eyes of a criminal profiler.  Like statement analysis, no doubt criminal profiling has it's place in criminal investigations but it can only be another tool to assist the police.

Dogs on the other hand ....

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Post by sharonl 05.04.21 14:29

On 14th May 2007, Robert Murat was made an arguido in the case.  Jane Tanner suddenly identifies Murat as the man she claims to have seen carrying a child away.

The tapas group point the finger at Murat, claiming that he was outside the apartment.

The PJ suspect his motives as interpreter.

0n 26th May 2007, Martin Smith very conveniently decides to step in.  Amongst other things, he says:

"In May and August of 2006, he saw ROBERT MURAT in Praia da Luz bars. On one of these occasions, the first, he was inebriated and spoke to everyone. He did not wear glasses at that time. He also states that the individual who carried the child was not ROBERT. He would have recognised him immediately".


It has been suggested that the reason for the Smith sighting was to take the heat of Robert Murat.


There is a lot of information here on the forum, many thanks particularly to Tony Bennet, that blows the Smithman sighting out of the water.


It would seem to me that this alleged sighting had a part to play.  Is it possible that since the Tapas group pointed the finger at Murat, the claim that it may It may have been Gerry that the Smiths had seen, was pure revenge?  Or was it a ploy to keep the focus on May 3rd?  After all, Smith never returned to testify.  And what happened when Brian Kennedy contacted Smith and met with Murat?


It was also said that haplotypes belonging to Jane Tanner and Robert Murat were found together, IIRC at his aunts villa.  


There is something murky going on with the ex-pat community and villa owners in PDL.  Are they all in this together?
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Post by Paulo Alexandre 05.04.21 16:26

@crusader wrote:The Smith family have nothing to gain by telling lies.
Do you know them?

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Post by Silentscope 05.04.21 16:31

@crusader wrote: The Smith family have nothing to gain by telling lies. I would rather believe someone who didn't know the McCann's, than one of the tapas lot.  

Absolutely, but the ‘Tannerman’ sighting was written down on the Children’s book pages BEFORE Jane made her verbal report later on. Why believe anything anyone says in this case anyway? 

Someone thought it all up for her, EXACTLY WHEN those notes were written would narrow down the time of death considerably.

To note:

There were two glasses on the living room table.
Two timelines were written by two different Authors.
No one has independently confirmed the time at which they were actually written.
The book ‘The Interpretation of Murder’ appears to be on the Sofa in the living room according to 5A photographs.
Tannerman wore the same clothing as David Payne on the evening of the reported abduction according to the Social workers statement. 

All seems to point to a hastily planned version of events, not cunningly conceived over days in advance. 

Also not in response to being nearly caught on CCTV on the roadside Camera, or being seen by anyone on route to the Town centre if that is what really happened. The Smiths were not the only people around at that time. Anyone could have seen ‘Smithman’ if he is real.

Why were the Smiths the ONLY ones to notice him might be the right question?
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Post by Jill Havern 05.04.21 16:53

Kate McCann has nothing to gain by telling lies
Gerry McCann has nothing to gain by telling lies
Jane Tanner has nothing to gain by telling lies
Rachel Oldfield has nothing to gain by telling lies
David Payne has nothing to gain by telling lies
Robert Murat Madeleine McCann is dead
Katarina Gaspar has nothing to gain by telling lies
Arul Gaspar has nothing to gain by telling lies
Cat Baker has nothing to gain by telling lies
Jon Clarke has nothing to gain by telling lies
Danielle Gusmaroli has nothing to gain by telling lies
Tracey Kandohla has nothing to gain by telling lies
Jim Gamble has nothing to gain by telling lies
Mark Williams-Thomas has nothing to gain by telling lies
Colin Sutton has nothing to gain by telling lies
Martin Brunt has nothing to gain by telling lies
Dave Edgar has nothing to gain by telling lies
Arthur Cowley has nothing to gain by telling lies
Brian Kennedy has nothing to gain by telling lies
Kevin Halligen has nothing to gain by telling lies
Nuno Lourenco has nothing to gain by telling lies
Francisco Marco has nothing to gain by telling lies
Marco Correia has nothing to gain by telling lies
Pamela Fenn has nothing to gain by telling lies
The Smith family have nothing to gain by telling lies
Mark Rowley has nothing to gain by telling lies
Operation Grange have nothing to gain by telling lies

i don\'t know

Eddie and Keela have nothing to gain by telling lies

Gonçalo Amaral is a "liar", "deserves to feel fear", have his family and finances ruined, and made homeless

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Post by crusader 05.04.21 17:06

@Paulo Alexandrewrote....Do you know them?




No I don't know them. Things would be a lot clearer if I did.
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Post by crusader 05.04.21 18:01

The only person that matters is Madeleine. And searching for the the truth is the way to find out what happened to her, this forum is the way forward. 
I have no affinity to any of the players in this sorry tale of a lost little girl.
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Post by Jill Havern 05.04.21 18:22

The only thing any of them, except Amaral and the dogs, have achieved so far is an ungodly, hugely expensive wild goose chase.

Madeleine deserves justice and so do the twins.

And Dr Amaral deserves to get his life and reputation back.

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Post by crusader 05.04.21 18:53

One thing I noticed when reading Aoife Smith's statement.

She said the girl had a light top with long sleeves, not sure if same as trousers, only that it was very light.
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Post by sharonl 05.04.21 18:59

@crusader wrote:One thing I noticed when reading Aoife Smith's statement.

She said the girl had a light top with long sleeves, not sure if same as trousers, only that it was very light.

Not Madeleine then

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Post by crusader 05.04.21 19:08

@sharonl wrote,,,Not Madeleine then.


Makes you think doesn't it.
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Post by Jill Havern 05.04.21 19:37

Can you copy and paste that part of her statement here please?

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Post by crusader 05.04.21 19:44

She also had a light top, with long sleeves. She did not see it well because the individual had his arms around the child. She is not sure if the child's top was the same colour as her trousers, saying only that it was very light. The fabric was the same as the trousers
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Post by crusader 05.04.21 19:51

Earlier in her statement she explained where the girls arms were.
She did not see the child's face because she was lying against the individual's left shoulder in a vertical position against the individual. She appeared to be sleeping. Her arms were suspended along her body and were not around the individual's neck.
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Post by worriedmum 06.04.21 1:12

@sharonl wrote:
@crusader wrote:One thing I noticed when reading Aoife Smith's statement.

She said the girl had a light top with long sleeves, not sure if same as trousers, only that it was very light.

Not Madeleine then

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It depends whether you believe the parents I suppose
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Post by Verdi 06.04.21 1:21

@Silentscope wrote:@crusader wrote: The Smith family have nothing to gain by telling lies. I would rather believe someone who didn't know the McCann's, than one of the tapas lot.  

Absolutely, but the ‘Tannerman’ sighting was written down on the Children’s book pages BEFORE Jane made her verbal report later on. Why believe anything anyone says in this case anyway? 

Someone thought it all up for her, EXACTLY WHEN those notes were written would narrow down the time of death considerably.

To note:

There were two glasses on the living room table.
Two timelines were written by two different Authors.
No one has independently confirmed the time at which they were actually written.
The book ‘The Interpretation of Murder’ appears to be on the Sofa in the living room according to 5A photographs.
Tannerman wore the same clothing as David Payne on the evening of the reported abduction according to the Social workers statement. 

All seems to point to a hastily planned version of events, not cunningly conceived over days in advance. 

Also not in response to being nearly caught on CCTV on the roadside Camera, or being seen by anyone on route to the Town centre if that is what really happened. The Smiths were not the only people around at that time. Anyone could have seen ‘Smithman’ if he is real.

Why were the Smiths the ONLY ones to notice him might be the right question?

You seriously need to tell your 'source', the person you are posting for, to get their facts right.  Or at least check out the detail yourself before posting on his behalf - spreading false information is not helpful.

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Post by PeterMac 06.04.21 7:15

@Verdi wrote:So back to Madeleine McCann disappearing on the night of 3rd May 2007 !?!
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Why does Gerry McCann need an alibi to cover his movements on the evening of 3rd May 2007?  By all intents and purposes, the dirty work had been done and dusted (literally?) days beforehand, the only remaining work in hand was to give the phantom abductor the opportunity to abduct - the evening/night of 3rd May 2007.

I think because they had decided that the staged abduction would take place at that time on that date, and that GM would be the last person to see her alive
and that therefore he had to have an alibi to take any possible attention away from him and from KM
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Post by Cammerigal 06.04.21 9:34

@Verdi wrote:
@Silentscope wrote:@crusader wrote: The Smith family have nothing to gain by telling lies. I would rather believe someone who didn't know the McCann's, than one of the tapas lot.  

Absolutely, but the ‘Tannerman’ sighting was written down on the Children’s book pages BEFORE Jane made her verbal report later on. Why believe anything anyone says in this case anyway? 

Someone thought it all up for her, EXACTLY WHEN those notes were written would narrow down the time of death considerably.

To note:

There were two glasses on the living room table.
Two timelines were written by two different Authors.
No one has independently confirmed the time at which they were actually written.
The book ‘The Interpretation of Murder’ appears to be on the Sofa in the living room according to 5A photographs.
Tannerman wore the same clothing as David Payne on the evening of the reported abduction according to the Social workers statement. 

All seems to point to a hastily planned version of events, not cunningly conceived over days in advance. 

Also not in response to being nearly caught on CCTV on the roadside Camera, or being seen by anyone on route to the Town centre if that is what really happened. The Smiths were not the only people around at that time. Anyone could have seen ‘Smithman’ if he is real.

Why were the Smiths the ONLY ones to notice him might be the right question?

You seriously need to tell your 'source', the person you are posting for, to get their facts right.  Or at least check out the detail yourself before posting on his behalf - spreading false information is not helpful.

I strongly disagree with your negative put down there Verdi. Silentscope raised some valid points. We all have a voice, we all should be considered equally and moreover, Silentscope brings a non Brit, German perspective to the table.

As for me, I found this web site commentary on the MI5 conspiracy most interesting
https://patternsinthesand.blogspot.com/

As it stands, we are playing into the 'plan' by debating Smithman and the faked abduction activities at 10pm on the thursday. ad nauseum
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In order to be able to lie consistently, you have to have a good memory. Often a basis is used to support the chosen narrative.

What people have seen or read often plays it’s part in construction of a plan, just like Jane Tanners ‘Officer, Officer, I saw the whole thing’ 

Just after a girl dove out of the window in the Lethal Weapon film.

Pretty thin...?
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