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Post by noddy100 17.06.16 17:07

It does have the peachy coloured walls on patio
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Post by whodunit 17.06.16 17:34

Well well well, the picture becomes clearer.

There is an insistence that CF was not in residence when MBM was reported missing, but what about a few days prior at the time of her death? I wonder if there is any way to verify if he was in residence up until the April 30/May 1 when Robert Murat suddenly had to take an emergency flight to PDL from the UK?

I wonder if the poor woman Sylvia [sorry I'm blanking on her last name atm] ever considered that her parents knew EXACTLY what they were doing when they handed her over to Freud? After all, elite predators do not go about smashing and jemmying shutters, they rely upon the complicity of parents to willingly hand over their children. That way everybody is operating under 'MAD'---Mutually Assured Destruction. Were her parents suddenly flush with cash? Moving in higher social circles? Enjoying various other perks and benefits? All questions that need to be asked...
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Post by sallypelt 17.06.16 17:49

NickE wrote:[size=40]Madeleine: The missed clues at £1m villa[/size]

Madeleine McCANN may have been taken to a luxury villa just half a mile from where she was abducted, Portuguese detectives were told.






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[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]STATEMENTS: Witnesses tell of suspicious behaviour at house and toys in secret video den

Suspicions were raised because of the behaviour of the people who rented the £1million villa and because video cameras were reportedly seen there along with pictures of children on a wall, the Sunday Express has learned.

Our revelations come as West Yorkshire police prepare to fly to Germany to question 64-year-old convicted paedophile Raymond Hewlett over a sex attack on a girl 25 years ago.

Retired detectives working for Kate and Gerry McCann are also hoping to interview Hewlett to ask him directly whether he knows anything about three-year-old Madeleine’s abduction.

Hewlett is in intensive care at a German hospital recovering from an operation for throat cancer. In the last 24 hours his condition has worsened and there are concerns he may have only days to live.

If well enough, it is expected he will be asked if he ever met paedophiles in the Algarve town of Praia da Luz around the time Madeleine vanished.

One theory the McCanns’ investigators are examining is whether there was a paedophile ring operating in the area two years ago.

The Sunday Express has been conducting intensive inquiries in the resort town and asked scores of people if they saw anyone acting suspiciously.

One elderly British resident told us both she and a friend, a retired British woman detective, went to Portuguese police about a couple who rented the villa, which has its own swimming pool.

The resident told us: “I used to meet up with the retired detective to walk our dogs down by the seafront. Both of us became concerned about a couple aged about 30 who rented the villa.

“What struck us was that they drove a very tatty, British-registered small red saloon car. It was one those vehicles you would normally see on a gypsy camp, not going in and out of a very expensive villa.

“We only saw them coming and going in the car and not walking about, which is odd given the location of the villa. We both got the impression they were trying to keep a low profile.’’

Another source said that after Maddie disappeared, search teams combed the seafront, where luxury villas stand next to large areas of barren land.

Anglican priest Paul Luckman, owner and publisher of Portugal News, said: “The location and description of that villa mentioned by your source fits the one that a searcher told me about.

“The searcher told me the villa was empty and somehow they got inside some weeks after Madeleine disappeared.

“The search dog handler said the villa had a room with a kind of amateur studio with video equipment and cameras with children’s toys and pictures of children on the wall.

“He felt it was something to do with paedophiles. He told the police and they seemed to know something about it, but we don’t think they took it any further.”

The Sunday Express took him to the villa and he confirmed that it fits the description and location of the one he was told about.

Although we know where it is, we are not naming the villa for legal reasons as we have been unable to locate the owner.

The British woman resident said: “I know the owner was contacted after we raised our concerns with the police.

"The person was angry because she said she did not know the people who rented it and was annoyed about being contacted by detectives.

"We heard nothing more about it. The day after Maddie disappeared the couple moved out and we didn’t see them again.

“There was an older woman in a very expensive car who visited them during their stay.”

The McCanns’ private investigators have been conducting surveillance on several properties for some time. Retired det­ective inspector Dave Edgar returned from Portugal on Friday night and is pursuing a number of leads he is not prepared to discuss.

Meanwhile, paedophile Hewlett is said to be suffering internal bleeding.

A doctor at the Aachen hospital where he is being treated said: “He is very poorly. Fluid has been seeping into his lungs. He cannot speak. The next few days will be critical.”

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Could this be the villa that Freud had access to?
Clement Freud died on 19 April 2009. This article appeared on 24 May 2009?

When did Kate write "madeleine"?
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Post by nglfi 17.06.16 17:58

In her book Kate says Freud gave them 'useful snippets of advice'. What advice could he offer the parents of a missing/'abducted' child? What expertise did he have in that area? Or was it rather in the area of media manipulation and how to cover up child molestation?
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Post by jeanmonroe 17.06.16 18:47

nglfi wrote:In her book Kate says Freud gave them 'useful snippets of advice'. What advice could he offer the parents of a missing/'abducted' child? What expertise did he have in that area? Or was it rather in the area of media manipulation and how to cover up child molestation?

I've always 'wondered' WHERE GM 'might' have got his 'strange, confidential' bedtime reading 'manuals' from. winkwink
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Post by ShuBob 17.06.16 18:56

maebee wrote:
She recalled how he brought a smile to her face when he greeted them one night at the property wearing just a night shirt and offered her a large brandy

If my 3 year old had been abducted, nothing on this earth would bring a smile to my face, let alone CF in a night shirt with a brandy in hand. CF had good company in his frivolous attitude. They are all of a different world to the rest of us Sad

You are absolutely right! I've never known anything like this!
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Post by MayMuse 17.06.16 19:02

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Roughly two years after Freud died!

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Post by sallypelt 17.06.16 19:16

MayMuse wrote:[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] "Madeleine" was published in 2011 
Roughly two years after Freud died!
TY, Maymuse. I can see, from Amazon, that the book was released in April 2011; less than 2 years after the newspaper article of 24 May 2009.
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Post by NickE 17.06.16 19:24

tinkier wrote:
NickE wrote:[size=40]Madeleine: The missed clues at £1m villa[/size]

Madeleine McCANN may have been taken to a luxury villa just half a mile from where she was abducted, Portuguese detectives were told.












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[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]STATEMENTS: Witnesses tell of suspicious behaviour at house and toys in secret video den

Suspicions were raised because of the behaviour of the people who rented the £1million villa and because video cameras were reportedly seen there along with pictures of children on a wall, the Sunday Express has learned.

Our revelations come as West Yorkshire police prepare to fly to Germany to question 64-year-old convicted paedophile Raymond Hewlett over a sex attack on a girl 25 years ago.

Retired detectives working for Kate and Gerry McCann are also hoping to interview Hewlett to ask him directly whether he knows anything about three-year-old Madeleine’s abduction.

Hewlett is in intensive care at a German hospital recovering from an operation for throat cancer. In the last 24 hours his condition has worsened and there are concerns he may have only days to live.

If well enough, it is expected he will be asked if he ever met paedophiles in the Algarve town of Praia da Luz around the time Madeleine vanished.

One theory the McCanns’ investigators are examining is whether there was a paedophile ring operating in the area two years ago.

The Sunday Express has been conducting intensive inquiries in the resort town and asked scores of people if they saw anyone acting suspiciously.

One elderly British resident told us both she and a friend, a retired British woman detective, went to Portuguese police about a couple who rented the villa, which has its own swimming pool.

The resident told us: “I used to meet up with the retired detective to walk our dogs down by the seafront. Both of us became concerned about a couple aged about 30 who rented the villa.

“What struck us was that they drove a very tatty, British-registered small red saloon car. It was one those vehicles you would normally see on a gypsy camp, not going in and out of a very expensive villa.

“We only saw them coming and going in the car and not walking about, which is odd given the location of the villa. We both got the impression they were trying to keep a low profile.’’


Another source said that after Maddie disappeared, search teams combed the seafront, where luxury villas stand next to large areas of barren land.

Anglican priest Paul Luckman, owner and publisher of Portugal News, said: “The location and description of that villa mentioned by your source fits the one that a searcher told me about.

“The searcher told me the villa was empty and somehow they got inside some weeks after Madeleine disappeared.

“The search dog handler said the villa had a room with a kind of amateur studio with video equipment and cameras with children’s toys and pictures of children on the wall.

“He felt it was something to do with paedophiles. He told the police and they seemed to know something about it, but we don’t think they took it any further.”

The Sunday Express took him to the villa and he confirmed that it fits the description and location of the one he was told about.

Although we know where it is, we are not naming the villa for legal reasons as we have been unable to locate the owner.

The British woman resident said: “I know the owner was contacted after we raised our concerns with the police.

"The person was angry because she said she did not know the people who rented it and was annoyed about being contacted by detectives.

"We heard nothing more about it. The day after Maddie disappeared the couple moved out and we didn’t see them again.

“There was an older woman in a very expensive car who visited them during their stay.”

The McCanns’ private investigators have been conducting surveillance on several properties for some time. Retired det­ective inspector Dave Edgar returned from Portugal on Friday night and is pursuing a number of leads he is not prepared to discuss.

Meanwhile, paedophile Hewlett is said to be suffering internal bleeding.

A doctor at the Aachen hospital where he is being treated said: “He is very poorly. Fluid has been seeping into his lungs. He cannot speak. The next few days will be critical.”

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Could this be the villa that Freud had access to?
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] .....would this be the villa, sorry I can't seem to copy and paste the picture, but I'm sure someone will oblige. https://www.sun-hat-villas.com/villas/algarve/quinta-do-lago/2103/casa-da-colina

ETA There are 2 villas Casa Colina and Casa da Colina...it's the latter one we need, as above.
This picture is taken from the "official" Casa da Colina site,that villa Freud had access to.
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Note!!! the red old car to the left on this picture.


This is snipped from the article I posted above:
 “What struck us was that they drove a very tatty, British-registered small red saloon car. It was one those vehicles you would normally see on a gypsy camp, not going in and out of a very expensive villa.

“We only saw them coming and going in the car and not walking about, which is odd given the location of the villa. We both got the impression they were trying to keep a low profile.’’

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Post by sallypelt 17.06.16 19:29

Does anyone know if Gerry stated on his blog that the McCanns had visited Clement Freud's villa in July? 2007? Surely, this is something that he WOULD have mentioned.

I have quickly gone through Gerry McCann's blogs for July 2007, but I can't see any reference to them having visited CF, or a "friend". However, I may have missed it, but what I did find was this, from Gerry's blog 29 July 2007:

Dropped Trisha and Sandy off at the airport this morning for an emotional farewell. They have offered us the most unbelievable support and I am not sure how we would have functioned without them here. They have been the silent face of the campaign to find Madeleine, putting their lives on hold to help us get through each difficult day. From time to time we will have other friends and family coming to Portugal to see the kids and catch up with Kate and I.
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Post by sallypelt 17.06.16 19:46

"Kate and Gerry McCann were two months into the search for their missing daughter Madeleine when they received a letter out of the blue.

It was from Sir Clement Freud, inviting them for a meal at his holiday home in Praia da Luz, a short drive from the Ocean Club, where Madeleine had vanished on May 3, 2007".

I believe this is an extract from Kate's book. Two months from May 3 2007 would suggest that this letter that "came out of the blue" arrived sometime in early July, 2007, yet I can find NO reference to   this letter in Gerry's July 2007 blog. As I've mentioned, I may have missed it, as I did some speed reading of the July blogs, and I may have missed it. BUT if it is not there, why did Kate find it SO important to mention it in her book, 4 years later, AFTER the article about a Portuguese villa was mentioned, at length, just over one month AFTER CF had died.

It all seems rather suspect to me. Or maybe I should turn off my pc, and go do something else. spin

Edited to add, did the newspaper article spook her, and she felt that she had to mention it in her book, to get in first? It's anyone's guess.
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Post by NickE 17.06.16 20:01

sallypelt wrote:Does anyone know if Gerry stated on his blog that the McCanns had visited Clement Freud's villa in July? 2007? Surely, this is something that he WOULD have mentioned.

I have quickly gone through Gerry McCann's blogs for July 2007, but I can't see any reference to them having visited CF, or a "friend". However, I may have missed it, but what I did find was this, from Gerry's blog 29 July 2007:

Dropped Trisha and Sandy off at the airport this morning for an emotional farewell. They have offered us the most unbelievable support and I am not sure how we would have functioned without them here. They have been the silent face of the campaign to find Madeleine, putting their lives on hold to help us get through each difficult day. From time to time we will have other friends and family coming to Portugal to see the kids and catch up with Kate and I.
Gerry made a phone call to Freud´s villa at July 3 and another call at July 4.


Didn´t they visit Freud with three friends?
Fiona, Rachael and Russel arrived July 10.
???


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BUT......
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"Gerry McCann phoned the number on the letter, discovered it was not a prank, and the next day the McCanns were at Freud’s villa with their twins Sean and Amelie, plus three friends who had stayed in Portugal to help them".

He didn´t say anything in his blog (4 or 5 July) about any friends these days.

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Post by tinkier 17.06.16 20:04

sallypelt wrote:"Kate and Gerry McCann were two months into the search for their missing daughter Madeleine when they received a letter out of the blue.

It was from Sir Clement Freud, inviting them for a meal at his holiday home in Praia da Luz, a short drive from the Ocean Club, where Madeleine had vanished on May 3, 2007".

I believe this is an extract from Kate's book. Two months from May 3 2007 would suggest that this letter that "came out of the blue" arrived sometime in early July, 2007, yet I can find NO reference to   this letter in Gerry's July 2007 blog. As I've mentioned, I may have missed it, as I did some speed reading of the July blogs, and I may have missed it. BUT if it is not there, why did Kate find it SO important to mention it in her book, 4 years later, AFTER the article about a Portuguese villa was mentioned, at length, just over one month AFTER CF had died.

It all seems rather suspect to me. Or maybe I should turn off my pc, and go do something else. spin
I have also had a look and could see no reference either….knowing Gerry and his usual name dropping, I would of thought he would of mentioned it. Also, why would the Mc's visit CF the very day they were made suspects, why visit someone they supposedly didn't know. Or was that the second visit? What was their reasons for the visits. Was Madeleine taken there and then removed? Was this story concocted incase they were seen? Knowing the lies that Kate has told in her bewk, I doubt very much it was to drink strawberry vodka and eat his risotto! All just my opinion.
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Post by MayMuse 17.06.16 20:08

Cmaryholmes wrote:I wonder why Mrs Freud has so readily admitted that all the accusations are true. Don't the relatives usually deny any wrongdoing and express their outrage at the defiling of the memory of a man who can't defend himself? I think this is most odd.
Because she knew what an evil dirty so and so he was!!?
IMO she turned a blind eye for many a year and needs investigating!!!

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Post by sallypelt 17.06.16 20:08

tinkier wrote:
sallypelt wrote:"Kate and Gerry McCann were two months into the search for their missing daughter Madeleine when they received a letter out of the blue.

It was from Sir Clement Freud, inviting them for a meal at his holiday home in Praia da Luz, a short drive from the Ocean Club, where Madeleine had vanished on May 3, 2007".

I believe this is an extract from Kate's book. Two months from May 3 2007 would suggest that this letter that "came out of the blue" arrived sometime in early July, 2007, yet I can find NO reference to   this letter in Gerry's July 2007 blog. As I've mentioned, I may have missed it, as I did some speed reading of the July blogs, and I may have missed it. BUT if it is not there, why did Kate find it SO important to mention it in her book, 4 years later, AFTER the article about a Portuguese villa was mentioned, at length, just over one month AFTER CF had died.

It all seems rather suspect to me. Or maybe I should turn off my pc, and go do something else. spin
I have also had a look and could see no reference either….knowing Gerry and his usual name dropping, I would of thought he would of mentioned it. Also, why would the Mc's visit CF the very day they were made suspects, why visit someone they supposedly didn't know. Or was that the second visit? What was their reasons for the visits. Was Madeleine taken there and then removed? Was this story concocted incase they were seen? Knowing the lies that Kate has told in her bewk, I doubt very much it was to drink strawberry vodka and eat his risotto! All just my opinion.
Tinker, I have no idea what went on, but as you say, Gerry was a name dropper, without a doubt, yet the letter from CF was NEVER mentioned In his blogs, so why did Kate feel the need to mention it in her book AFTER the article about a villa appeared in May 2009?  One doesn't write a book overnight, yet within less than 2 years (which isn't a long time to write a book) she had published a book, where she mentions the letter and the visits to CF's villa. I find it all suspect, I am sorry to say.
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tinkier wrote:
sallypelt wrote:"Kate and Gerry McCann were two months into the search for their missing daughter Madeleine when they received a letter out of the blue.

It was from Sir Clement Freud, inviting them for a meal at his holiday home in Praia da Luz, a short drive from the Ocean Club, where Madeleine had vanished on May 3, 2007".

I believe this is an extract from Kate's book. Two months from May 3 2007 would suggest that this letter that "came out of the blue" arrived sometime in early July, 2007, yet I can find NO reference to   this letter in Gerry's July 2007 blog. As I've mentioned, I may have missed it, as I did some speed reading of the July blogs, and I may have missed it. BUT if it is not there, why did Kate find it SO important to mention it in her book, 4 years later, AFTER the article about a Portuguese villa was mentioned, at length, just over one month AFTER CF had died.

It all seems rather suspect to me. Or maybe I should turn off my pc, and go do something else. spin
I have also had a look and could see no reference either….knowing Gerry and his usual name dropping, I would of thought he would of mentioned it. Also, why would the Mc's visit CF the very day they were made suspects, why visit someone they supposedly didn't know. Or was that the second visit? What was their reasons for the visits. Was Madeleine taken there and then removed? Was this story concocted incase they were seen? Knowing the lies that Kate has told in her bewk, I doubt very much it was to drink strawberry vodka and eat his risotto! All just my opinion.
Tinker, I have no idea what went on, but as you say, Gerry was a name dropper, without a doubt, yet the letter from CF was NEVER mentioned In his blogs, so why did Kate feel the need to mention it in her book AFTER the article about a villa appeared in May 2009?  One doesn't write a book overnight, yet within less than 2 years (which isn't a long time to write a book) she had published a book, where she mentions the letter and the visits to CF's villa. I find it all suspect, I am sorry to say.
Another cover story hurriedly written in. imo
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May have missed something if already posted, but has a connection between Robert Murat and CF been established ? It would seem extremely unlikely they weren't acquainted in some way.

What was CF's movements that week, and if away, was the villa being used for something ? Other houses around PdL were reputed for hosting sex parties.

I would say there is a lot more to this than meets the eye. The timing and intention behind these revelations may also be significant.
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Post by whodunit 17.06.16 20:38

tinkier wrote:
sallypelt wrote:"Kate and Gerry McCann were two months into the search for their missing daughter Madeleine when they received a letter out of the blue.

It was from Sir Clement Freud, inviting them for a meal at his holiday home in Praia da Luz, a short drive from the Ocean Club, where Madeleine had vanished on May 3, 2007".

I believe this is an extract from Kate's book. Two months from May 3 2007 would suggest that this letter that "came out of the blue" arrived sometime in early July, 2007, yet I can find NO reference to   this letter in Gerry's July 2007 blog. As I've mentioned, I may have missed it, as I did some speed reading of the July blogs, and I may have missed it. BUT if it is not there, why did Kate find it SO important to mention it in her book, 4 years later, AFTER the article about a Portuguese villa was mentioned, at length, just over one month AFTER CF had died.

It all seems rather suspect to me. Or maybe I should turn off my pc, and go do something else. spin
I have also had a look and could see no reference either….knowing Gerry and his usual name dropping, I would of thought he would of mentioned it. Also, why would the Mc's visit CF the very day they were made suspects, why visit someone they supposedly didn't know. Or was that the second visit? What was their reasons for the visits. Was Madeleine taken there and then removed? Was this story concocted incase they were seen? Knowing the lies that Kate has told in her bewk, I doubt very much it was to drink strawberry vodka and eat his risotto! All just my opinion.

Just an hypothesis mind you, but in the VERY parallel JonBenet Ramsey case, based upon evidence given by a CSA survivor [who is very much like the poor ladies in the Freud case] who had knowledge of the Ramsey case, I would say JBR was killed at a location other than her own home during a BUSY 'holiday' celebration that went terribly wrong.  The complicit parents were forced to quickly remove her body back to their home in order to stage a phony abduction and remove the unfortunate incident from anywhere near the vicinity of the 'prominent male' of the group. So in conclusion, I doubt there would be any evidence found, ever, of her demise at the original crime scene.
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Carrry On Doctor wrote:May have missed something if already posted, but has a connection between Robert Murat and CF been established ? It would seem extremely unlikely they weren't acquainted in some way.

What was CF's movements that week, and if away, was the villa being used for something ? Other houses around PdL were reputed for hosting sex parties.

I would say there is a lot more to this than meets the eye. The timing and intention behind these revelations may also be significant.

Given the apparent wealth of the Eveleighs and Murat's evident closeness with his relatives, it seems inconceivable that he didn't know or interact with Freud on some level.
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Post by ShuBob 17.06.16 20:58

whodunit wrote:
Carrry On Doctor wrote:May have missed something if already posted, but has a connection between Robert Murat and CF been established ? It would seem extremely unlikely they weren't acquainted in some way.

What was CF's movements that week, and if away, was the villa being used for something ? Other houses around PdL were reputed for hosting sex parties.

I would say there is a lot more to this than meets the eye. The timing and intention behind these revelations may also be significant.

Given the apparent wealth of the Eveleighs and Murat's evident closeness with his relatives, it seems inconceivable that he didn't know or interact with Freud on some level.
I think we should be very careful here. It is possible that they were not friends. Very possible. The opposite may also be true but like I say, let's be careful here.
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Post by whodunit 17.06.16 21:03

ShuBob wrote:
whodunit wrote:
Carrry On Doctor wrote:May have missed something if already posted, but has a connection between Robert Murat and CF been established ? It would seem extremely unlikely they weren't acquainted in some way.

What was CF's movements that week, and if away, was the villa being used for something ? Other houses around PdL were reputed for hosting sex parties.

I would say there is a lot more to this than meets the eye. The timing and intention behind these revelations may also be significant.

Given the apparent wealth of the Eveleighs and Murat's evident closeness with his relatives, it seems inconceivable that he didn't know or interact with Freud on some level.
I think we should be very careful here. It is possible that they were not friends. Very possible. The opposite may also be true but like I say, let's be careful here.
 
I get what you're saying but I am being careful. It SEEMS inconceivable that Freud would not have socialized with wealthy British ex-pats in such a small community. Obviously he may not have but what are the chances? Apparently the holidays at the Villa were quite 'busy'. In any case, openly speculating that Murat may have interacted with Freud on 'some level' is in no way actionable.
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Post by NickE 17.06.16 21:54

ShuBob wrote:
whodunit wrote:
Carrry On Doctor wrote:May have missed something if already posted, but has a connection between Robert Murat and CF been established ? It would seem extremely unlikely they weren't acquainted in some way.

What was CF's movements that week, and if away, was the villa being used for something ? Other houses around PdL were reputed for hosting sex parties.

I would say there is a lot more to this than meets the eye. The timing and intention behind these revelations may also be significant.

Given the apparent wealth of the Eveleighs and Murat's evident closeness with his relatives, it seems inconceivable that he didn't know or interact with Freud on some level.
I think we should be very careful here. It is possible that they were not friends. Very possible. The opposite may also be true but like I say, let's be careful here.
Yes we should be careful but there is one more connection that is very interesting.
Freud´s/Oppenheimer and the coincidence that Mr Edmonds spend his holiday in PDL that week.

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Post by Cheshire Cat 17.06.16 23:10

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Carrry On Doctor wrote:May have missed something if already posted, but has a connection between Robert Murat and CF been established ? It would seem extremely unlikely they weren't acquainted in some way.

What was CF's movements that week, and if away, was the villa being used for something ? Other houses around PdL were reputed for hosting sex parties.

I would say there is a lot more to this than meets the eye. The timing and intention behind these revelations may also be significant.

Given the apparent wealth of the Eveleighs and Murat's evident closeness with his relatives, it seems inconceivable that he didn't know or interact with Freud on some level.
Everleighs are close friends of PDL residents Chip and Carol Hawkes. Carol Hawkes worked with Clement Freud on a couple of episodes of 'The Goldon Shot'. And as I mentioned the other day, Carol Hawkes and Clement Freud have a mutual friend in Nicholas Parsons due to Carol being a hostess on Sale of The Century for years and Parsons being a close friend of Freud.
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Post by sallypelt 17.06.16 23:46

How Clement Freud raped me - and why I'm CERTAIN he knew what happened to Maddie: Tortured victim groomed by paedophile MP at the age of 14 says she 'wouldn't be surprised' if he was linked to McCann's disappearance



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Why are these people from out of the blue suddenly linking the disappearance of Madeleine McCann to the past behaviour of Clement Freud.  If this particular woman was abused by the Sir so many years ago why did it take the latest news to prompt her to see a connection?

Discussing Clement Freud is one thing but I think the forum should be very cautious about being too vocal on the subject.  It's one thing to draw on implications as regards the PJ files and associated documentation but to speculate on a connection with this reprobate without evidence is treading on dangerous ground.
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sallypelt wrote:"Kate and Gerry McCann were two months into the search for their missing daughter Madeleine when they received a letter out of the blue.

It was from Sir Clement Freud, inviting them for a meal at his holiday home in Praia da Luz, a short drive from the Ocean Club, where Madeleine had vanished on May 3, 2007".

I believe this is an extract from Kate's book. Two months from May 3 2007 would suggest that this letter that "came out of the blue" arrived sometime in early July, 2007, yet I can find NO reference to   this letter in Gerry's July 2007 blog. As I've mentioned, I may have missed it, as I did some speed reading of the July blogs, and I may have missed it. BUT if it is not there, why did Kate find it SO important to mention it in her book, 4 years later, AFTER the article about a Portuguese villa was mentioned, at length, just over one month AFTER CF had died.

It all seems rather suspect to me. Or maybe I should turn off my pc, and go do something else. spin

Edited to add, did the newspaper article spook her, and she felt that she had to mention it in her book, to get in first? It's anyone's guess.

"did the newspaper article spook her, and she felt that she had to mention it in her book"

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Post by sar 18.06.16 0:45

whodunit wrote:Well well well, the picture becomes clearer.

There is an insistence that CF was not in residence when MBM was reported missing, but what about a few days prior at the time of her death? I wonder if there is any way to verify if he was in residence up until the April 30/May 1 when Robert Murat suddenly had to take an emergency flight to PDL from the UK?

I wonder if the poor woman Sylvia [sorry I'm blanking on her last name atm] ever considered that her parents knew EXACTLY what they were doing when they handed her over to Freud? After all, elite predators do not go about smashing and jemmying shutters, they rely upon the complicity of parents to willingly hand over their children. That way everybody is operating under 'MAD'---Mutually Assured Destruction. Were her parents suddenly flush with cash? Moving in higher social circles? Enjoying various other perks and benefits? All questions that need to be asked...
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Post by jeanmonroe 18.06.16 3:28

Can anyone remember if the CF 'visit/s' were 'ever' mentioned, by either of the McCan'ts, or S&T Cameron or Justine, BEFORE 2011 when the 'bewk' (exhibit KM1) was published?

Did OG ever 'visit' CF's rented 'villa' after reading the 'bewk', 2011, purely on the basis of 'ruling out' any possibility that MM, had. at any time 'been there' if all 'this' had been/is a 'hoax' disappearance'?

Did OG 'tip the wink' to the PJ to 'visit' CF's rented villa?

If i were a Maddie 'cop' i certainly would have!

Any 'leads' no matter how 'improbable' and all 'that'.

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Post by Guest 18.06.16 13:27

From what's been uncovered so far, it would appear Clement Freud had a penchant for teenage girls - not three year old children.

Think dog alerts - think Eddie and Keela - think forensics.

At present I can't see a possible connection between Freud's residency in PdL and the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.  As regards this news report, reads to me like yet another sympathy vote for the McCanns;  another contrived report to show them as the victims and not the perpetrators of a very serious crime.

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