Re: NEWSFLASH - The late Sir Clement Freud, resident of Praia da Luz and friend of the McCanns, exposed as a serial paedophile, Lady Freud apologises, Operation Grange to investigate McCann-Freud links (Daily Telegraph 14 Jun 2016)

by Joss 19.06.16 16:26

I also wonder why the victims of these horrible perpetrators are only heard after said perp. is deceased? They got away with some horrific crimes all their life, and can no longer be taken to task in a criminal court. That's just wrong. What's wrong with the legal system that it's so broken and the criminals are protected from prosecution, no matter who the criminals in these types of cases are? I think the whole rotten system is way overdue for a big overhaul. All IMO.

by hentie 19.06.16 16:37

I agree Joss. The poor victims are violated by these disgusting perverts, then virtually violated again as the abuser gets away with it!
All sexual abusers of children should be dealt with the same.
However, it seems some are exempt from punishment. I feel so sorry for the victims.

by haroldd2 19.06.16 16:40

Joss wrote:If Freud is guilty of those crimes then it definitely needs investigating and his victims need to be heard and have their day in court for any type of justice they could possibly receive.
But i don't think he had anything to do with Madeleine McCann's disappearance. But he might know someone who did?

If a known paedophile - a British paedophile with high-level political and media connections - had a house in PdL, and also befriended the McCanns, then of course police should investigate his connections in the area and other things about him too. There are no two ways about it. If his son (who let us remember is Rupert Murdoch's son-in-law) is saying that people who know about those connections should say "no comment" if the police ask them about them, I have to wonder what his problem is.

Joss wrote:I also wonder why the victims of these horrible perpetrators are only heard after said perp. is deceased? They got away with some horrific crimes all their life, and can no longer be taken to task in a criminal court. That's just wrong. What's wrong with the legal system that it's so broken and the criminals are protected from prosecution, no matter who the criminals in these types of cases are? I think the whole rotten system is way overdue for a big overhaul. All IMO.

Indeed. When Mrs Hayes went to the police in the first instance and told them about what Clement Freud had done to her, they didn't pursue it. That suggests that he had quite a bit of influence. That was in 2009, long after the British police introduced rape reporting suites and a supposed policy of being very supportive and kind when interviewing alleged rape victims.

by Joss 19.06.16 16:45

hentie wrote:I agree Joss. The poor victims are violated by these disgusting perverts, then virtually violated again as the abuser gets away with it!
All sexual abusers of children should be dealt with the same.
However, it seems some are exempt from punishment. I feel so sorry for the victims.

Exactly hentie. We need to have zero tolerance in society for those violators of innocent children and treat them like the abominations that they are. Send them all to a different universe where they can all rot.

by Joss 19.06.16 16:52

haroldd2 wrote:
Joss wrote:If Freud is guilty of those crimes then it definitely needs investigating and his victims need to be heard and have their day in court for any type of justice they could possibly receive.
But i don't think he had anything to do with Madeleine McCann's disappearance. But he might know someone who did?
If a known paedophile - a British paedophile with high-level political and media connections - had a house in PdL, and also befriended the McCanns, then of course police should investigate his connections in the area and other things about him too. There are no two ways about it. If his son (who let us remember is Rupert Murdoch's son-in-law) is saying that people who know about those connections should say "no comment" if the police ask them about them, I have to wonder what his problem is.
Joss wrote:I also wonder why the victims of these horrible perpetrators are only heard after said perp. is deceased? They got away with some horrific crimes all their life, and can no longer be taken to task in a criminal court. That's just wrong. What's wrong with the legal system that it's so broken and the criminals are protected from prosecution, no matter who the criminals in these types of cases are? I think the whole rotten system is way overdue for a big overhaul. All IMO.
Indeed. When Mrs Hayes went to the police in the first instance and told them about what Clement Freud had done to her, they didn't pursue it. That suggests that he had quite a bit of influence. That was in 2009, long after the British police introduced rape reporting suites and a supposed policy of being very supportive and kind when interviewing alleged rape victims.

BBM, Wow, i didn't realise his son is saying that. Very telling by the sound of it.

by hentie 19.06.16 16:54

Joss wrote:
hentie wrote:I agree Joss. The poor victims are violated by these disgusting perverts, then virtually violated again as the abuser gets away with it!
All sexual abusers of children should be dealt with the same.
However, it seems some are exempt from punishment. I feel so sorry for the victims.
Exactly hentie. We need to have zero tolerance in society for those violators of innocent children and treat them like the abominations that they are. Send them all to a different universe where they can all rot.

Yes zero tolerance! A hefty jail sentence, no privileges! Let them reflect in discomfort the pain they put their victim/s through.
The victim has a life sentence in many instances if not all. Some manage to work their way through and enjoy their life. Many don't.

by Joss 19.06.16 17:24

The problem with those types of perpetrators is there is no rehabilitating them and they will re offend again if they are able to. I can't imagine the pain of the victims and have read that some commit suicide, and others survive the traumas inflicted on them with terrible emotional scars. That is if a victim survives and isn't murdered as well during such a crime.
Sad thing too is that a lot of children are molested in their own home by a parent, the person they should be able to trust the most. No child should have to live in fear of such evil in this world.

by hentie 19.06.16 17:42

I agree re difficulty if not impossibility of rehab for these deviants. I think we're seeing that the problem is more widespread than decent people realised.
Would chemical castration be the way to go...? Could the threat of that deter would be abusers?
I don't know, but I do fear for children of today and those in the future unless something is done.

by **Hobs** 19.06.16 18:07

katkat wrote:PAEDOPHILE Clement Freud regularly drank at a pub frequented by the former prime suspect in Madeleine McCann’s disappearance.

He and Robert Murat were on “nodding terms” at the Pigs Head, according to the landlord of the boozer in Portugal.

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'PLOUGH AND PAEDO' Clement Freud drank with Madeleine McCann suspect. . . and at perv pub with child sex beast ‘DJ Shifty’
Freud was on 'nodding terms' with former suspect in tot's disappearance as well as being a regular at a pub 'for paedos'
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PAEDOPHILE Clement Freud regularly drank at a pub frequented by the former prime suspect in Madeleine McCann’s disappearance.
He and Robert Murat were on “nodding terms” at the Pigs Head, according to the landlord of the boozer in Portugal.

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Paedo Freud…drank with former prime suspect in McCanns case
Freud, who was unmasked as a child abuser last week, was also a regular at a pub in Praia da Luz dubbed The Plough and Paedophile.
The fact Freud and Murat knew each other is one in a series of odd links that the dead former Liberal MP had to the McCanns.
He had also entertained Gerry and Kate at his house in the days after Madeleine disappeared in 2007.

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Prime suspect…Murat was later cleared by cops
Murat, 43, lived close to the apartment where the three-year-old was snatched. He was named a as a suspect by Portuguese police, but later cleared of any involvement. And Freud’s Casa da Colina villa in the resort is a few hundred yards from a key sighting of Madeleine.
A Brit said that he saw a man carrying a little girl in the early hours of May 4, 2007.
The villa is also dwarfed by a huge hill that Kate, 47, was once convinced was where Madeleine was buried and begged cops to have it searched.

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The Pigs Head…pub where Freud and Murat frequented
Her plea came in July 2007, when Freud befriended the McCanns.
Robert Hurst, landlord of the Pigs Head, said: “I find that really odd. I can’t imagine why he would suddenly want to invite them to his house.
“At the time Madeleine went, all hell was going on. Police everywhere, people just stunned and he’s straight in there having them over to dinner.
“When it came out this week that he was a paedophile, it made you wonder what he was up to?”
Freud, who was revealed in an ITV documentary to have abused girls as young as ten, also visited the nearby Plough and Harrow.

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Missing ‘DJ Shifty’…went on run and is still being hunted
It was nicknamed the Plough and Paedophile after a Brit working there dubbed DJ Shifty went on the run when cops tried to speak to him over alleged grooming and child sex abuse images.
Christian Ridout, 32, whose parents owned the bar and lived next door to Murat, has never been traced.
In her book about Madeleine, Kate told how Freud, then 83, sent a letter out of the blue inviting them to his house for a meal.

I have to love the language used by antonella legionella.

PLOUGH AND PAEDO' Clement Freud drank with Madeleine McCann suspect. . . and at perv pub with child sex beast ‘DJ Shifty’
Freud was on 'nodding terms' with former suspect in tot's disappearance as well as being a regular at a pub 'for paedos'

Apparantly this is newsworthy but no mention is made of the mccanns not only drinking with freud but also dining with him as well as drinking with him.

No mention is made of them meeting him late at night whilst he was in his pajamas either.

Also note she says "Paedo Freud…drank with former prime suspect in McCanns case.
Note she uses the singular and misses the article A.
Implying that murat was the only prime suspect due to his arguido status whilst she blatantly misleads the reader by failing to include that kate and gerry were also former prime suspects in the self same case.

Murat, 43, lived close to the apartment where the three-year-old was snatched. He was named a as a suspect by Portuguese police, but later cleared of any involvement. And Freud’s Casa da Colina villa in the resort is a few hundred yards from a key sighting of Madeleine.
A Brit said that he saw a man carrying a little girl in the early hours of May 4, 2007.

Again there is the implication now that freud could possibly be the man sighted by the Smith's or someone known to freud or in his employ.

She is now trying to link freud to Maddie, which would clear the mccanns and also make them appear as victims of a cruel paedophile abductor, who took delight in meeting with the mccanns, eating and drinking with them, even to wearing his nightwear in front of them.

A well known man playing a cruel trick on innocent and desperate parents.
Imagine the uproar, the conspiracy theories, the upsurge in donations.

She has painted the mccanns as innocent victims whilst at the same time linking freud and murat as the bad guys.

This is an interesting and revealing article and reveals clearly where legionella's loyalties lie.

We have crossed swords before.

She threw a hissy fit and stomped off :)

by notlongnow 19.06.16 18:40

How handy having a perv pub in PDL.

Were the locals ok with this pub?

Why is Murat drinking there?

Was this place known as a perv pub pre 2007,or is this a media made up name for it since 2007?

by Cheshire Cat 19.06.16 19:00

haroldd2 wrote:Mathew Freud says that it would be "totally inappropriate" for the police to ask about who his father Clement Freud knew in PdL, and at the same time he downplays the seriousness of the sex-abuse crimes committed by his brutal rapist father:

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"Asked if there was any information that might help police with their inquiries, in terms of people his father might have known in Praia da Luz, Mr Freud said it was 'a totally inappropriate line of questioning given an ITV allegation of teenage groping in 1956'."

What's his problem? Rape is not groping. And while Rupert Murdoch's son-in-law Matthew Freud may live in a media world, the account by Vicky Hayes, who was raped by his father Clement Freud, should not be labelled an "ITV allegation". It is an allegation made by Mrs Hayes, and nobody has suggested that she isn't telling the truth. Other victims have also come forward. Matthew Freud's attitude towards rape victims seems to be very different from most people's.

"Inappropriate line of questioning" - you what???

Of course Matthew Freud is Murdochs ex-son-in-law now.

by Equity 19.06.16 19:08

Apologies if this has already been posted.

From comments posted under the Sun article:

"As the landlord of The Pigs Head I can categorically state that this article is factually ridiculous. When asked if Clement Freud had been a regular in the pub I told them he had been here once at least 20 years ago.

Further when asked about Robert Murat I told them he had also been in here once about 8years ago. How they then manage to connect the two of them is another piece of nonsense. As the next question asked was did I know Robert to which I said we were on nodding terms, which when you consider we have lived about 2 miles apart for 30 years is fairly normal.

The fact that they then tack on a re hashed story from many years ago just makes the article confusing and misleading. The two bars and two stories are not connected in any way as I suspect nether were Freud and Murat. This type of irresponsible journalism can do no good what so ever for anyone.

Heavan only knows what kind of feeding frenzy will be unleashed next year on the tenth anniversary. Yours in total honestly Robert Mark Hurst, proprietor of The Pigs Head pub mentioned in this article."

Of course this may not be the real proprietor of the Pigs Head :-)

by canada12 19.06.16 19:46

One would think Matthew Freud's attitude might be one of apology and willingness to help in whatever way possible in not only the Madeleine McCann case but any other issue that's come to police attention. Not a reaction of No Comment and This is totally inappropriate.

How does he know what's appropriate and what isn't?

by NickE 19.06.16 20:03

A comment from the article in "The Sun".

Leo Vinci 7 hours ago
"Christian Ridout, 32, whose parents owned the bar and lived next door to Murat, has never been traced."
What a crock! The Sun itself ran a story (which we cannot access anymore), about Christian Ridout (DJ Shifty) being cleared.
"Maddie Brit is in the clear By VERONICA LORRAINE in Praia da Luz Published: 28 Dec 2007"
"Missing ‘DJ Shifty’…went on run and is still being hunted"
Who is he being hunted by? He was cleared because he left Praia da Luz in 2005, he wasn't even there during the disappearance, and he has never been back. As for "never been traced" he lives in L.A...Jesus what a bunch of crap researchers and reporters The Sun has, nothing but Red Herrings to distract the public from the truth. The McCann's and their friends are all Guilty as sin, they know it, we know it and so do you. It's about time someone in Mainstream Media had the balls to report facts instead of fiction...such a Joke.

by worriedmum 19.06.16 21:00

Isn't the Sun article interesting how it ran 'former 'prime suspect'*' drinking at the Pig's Head, where Clement Freud may have drunk,

and didn't run

'two former 'prime suspects'** had a meal at Clement Freud's house'?

* Robert Murat; arguido status dropped by the PJ
** Kate and Gerry McCann, left the country after being declared arguidos

Why could that be?

by Guest 19.06.16 21:10

notlongnow wrote:How handy having a perv pub in PDL.

Were the locals ok with this pub?

Why is Murat drinking there?

Was this place known as a perv pub pre 2007,or is this a media made up name for it since 2007?

I think Antonella Lazzeri is in desperate need of a reality check. Who's ever heard of a perv pub? What do they do, hang a sign outside the door, advertise in the local rag so as to attract the desired clientele or is it by word of mouth.

The UK press never ceases to amaze me. Someone should tell them that the term 'freedom of the press' does/should not translate into 'you can say what you bloody well like without fear of repercussion.'

Perverts of this horrendous genre don't operate in public, they communicate by code. Which reminds me - the PJ found encoded stuff on Robert Murat's computer, which he couldn't/wouldn't explain.

by Richard IV 19.06.16 21:33

Verdi wrote:
notlongnow wrote:How handy having a perv pub in PDL.

Were the locals ok with this pub?

Why is Murat drinking there?

Was this place known as a perv pub pre 2007,or is this a media made up name for it since 2007?
I think Antonella Lazzeri is in desperate need of a reality check. Who's ever heard of a perv pub? What do they do, hang a sign outside the door, advertise in the local rag so as to attract the desired clientele or is it by word of mouth.

The UK press never ceases to amaze me. Someone should tell them that the term 'freedom of the press' does/should not translate into 'you can say what you bloody well like without fear of repercussion.'

Perverts of this horrendous genre don't operate in public, they communicate by code. Which reminds me - the PJ found encoded stuff on Robert Murat's computer, which he couldn't/wouldn't explain.

Hmmm - and of course his mate had conveniently wiped everything from his computer.

by **sharonl** 19.06.16 22:40

A perv pub does sound utterly ridiculous, but just look at Elm Lodge Guest House and that elite, worldwide, paedophile ring called the Spartacus Club that publicly promotes itself as a gay club but gives out secret coded messages to its members, letting them know that children will be made available if required. The Spartacus Club operates in a number of hotels and guest houses around the world. To me then, the idea that maybe a perv pub in a place full of expats, that has been referred to as a haven for paedophiles, doesn't sound so ridiculous after all.

The McCanns were claiming from the very beginning that Madeleine was taken by paedophiles but given some of their comments, it looks as if that didn't bother them too much.

"There is no evidence that Madeleine has come to any arm"
"We hope they treat her like a princess"

Then we have those awful photographs of Madeleine and the contents of the Gaspar statements - were the McCanns bothered about David Payne?

Probably the best way to publicly distance yourself from something (in this case, paedophilia) is to claim that you are a victim of it.

One press report even suggested that the PJ suspected that the McCanns were swingers.  Even the nannies were caught half stripped in a night club.

Q: Who did the McCanns phone 1st on May 3rd?   - A: Sky News
Q: Who owns a large share of Sky News?             - A: Rupert Murdoch
Q: Who is Murdochs Son-in Law?                         -A: Matthew Freud
Q: Who is Matthew Freuds father?                         -A: Sir Clement Freud

The McCanns spokesman, Clarence Mitchell, was head of the media monitoring unit. Rebekah Brooks was CEO of Murdochs News Intl and the Sun and it was her who demanded the set up of Operation Grange. The McCanns had made a number of deals with the press. Matthew Freud later employed Clarence Mitchell at Freud International.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if it were Clarence Mitchell who set up that meeting between Sir Clement Freud and the McCanns

For me, there is a very clear link between the McCanns and Clement Freud, especially as Rebekah Brooks says "We are all in this together".

by Guest 19.06.16 22:46

katkat wrote:
Elça Craig wrote:
Maria wrote:I found this old article link on another blog.

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"Suspicions were raised because of the behaviour of the people who rented the £1million villa and because video cameras were reportedly seen there along with pictures of children on a wall, the Sunday Express has learned."

Note this was published one month after CFs death.

Kates starts her book after this, but how long after? then it's published in 2011?

Operation Grange starts in May 2011?

Could it be CFs Villa?
I dont recall reading anything more about it since it was published.

Could this be a plan in action since his death in 2009 if it actually was Freuds villa.

My brain might well be running away with me.

No, it is not the same villa. Casa da Colina = house on the hill. It's not near the sea-front.
According the Mail CFs five bedroom villa is a third of a mile from the Mark Warner Ocean Club complex where Madeleine vanished.

Three metres from the beach, it is now rented as a £2,470-a-week holiday let.

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It is half way up to the top of the cliffs to the east of Luz. It is hundreds of metres from the beach.

by jeanmonroe 19.06.16 23:17

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"Again there is the implication now that Freud could possibly be the man sighted by the Smith's......"
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Just a pity then, that NONE of the 'Smith family' NOTICED the hairy 'squirrel' (beard) hanging on 'dear life' from Clammy's CHIN!

The 'beard' Clammy had, for over 70 YEARS.

by pennylane 19.06.16 23:38

Seems Clarence has donned his sleazy pink shirt, and had his appetite whetted again! onphone

by katkat 19.06.16 23:42

Elça Craig wrote:
katkat wrote:
Elça Craig wrote:
Maria wrote:I found this old article link on another blog.

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"Suspicions were raised because of the behaviour of the people who rented the £1million villa and because video cameras were reportedly seen there along with pictures of children on a wall, the Sunday Express has learned."

Note this was published one month after CFs death.

Kates starts her book after this, but how long after? then it's published in 2011?

Operation Grange starts in May 2011?

Could it be CFs Villa?
I dont recall reading anything more about it since it was published.

Could this be a plan in action since his death in 2009 if it actually was Freuds villa.

My brain might well be running away with me.

No, it is not the same villa. Casa da Colina = house on the hill. It's not near the sea-front.
According the Mail CFs five bedroom villa is a third of a mile from the Mark Warner Ocean Club complex where Madeleine vanished.

Three metres from the beach, it is now rented as a £2,470-a-week holiday let.

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It is half way up to the top of the cliffs to the east of Luz. It is hundreds of metres from the beach.

About 300 metres, but two minutes walk downhill to beach it seems:

Casa da Colina - Praia da Luz - Algarve

Casa da Colina is a spacious villa standing in its own mature grounds less than 300 metres from the beach. It’s position on the hillside gives endless views over the valley, village and sea from the many balconies and verandas. The pool is located on an upper level terrace with a petanque piste on a lower level. Pool heating is available on request.
The gardens are well maintained with orange trees and a sunken courtyard with it’s own lemon tree just off the kitchen. A real sheltered sun trap ideal for alfresco living.

The villa was built for residential use around 1960 and was designed for the fabulous views it’s position commands. Colina is a home with views, space and location. It is not a stereo type, mass produced holiday home. It is full of character and just two minutes from the beach down the hill or go up the hill for instant miles of country walks. In recent years extensive modernisation has taken place to all bathrooms and kitchen. Reiwiring has been carried out to modern standards, air conditioning fitted to most rooms along with a monitored burglar alarm.

Satellite TV and WiFi are also available.

by sallypelt 20.06.16 0:12

katkat wrote:
Elça Craig wrote:
katkat wrote:
Elça Craig wrote:
Maria wrote:I found this old article link on another blog.

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"Suspicions were raised because of the behaviour of the people who rented the £1million villa and because video cameras were reportedly seen there along with pictures of children on a wall, the Sunday Express has learned."

Note this was published one month after CFs death.

Kates starts her book after this, but how long after? then it's published in 2011?

Operation Grange starts in May 2011?

Could it be CFs Villa?
I dont recall reading anything more about it since it was published.

Could this be a plan in action since his death in 2009 if it actually was Freuds villa.

My brain might well be running away with me.

No, it is not the same villa. Casa da Colina = house on the hill. It's not near the sea-front.
According the Mail CFs five bedroom villa is a third of a mile from the Mark Warner Ocean Club complex where Madeleine vanished.

Three metres from the beach, it is now rented as a £2,470-a-week holiday let.

Read more: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

It is half way up to the top of the cliffs to the east of Luz. It is hundreds of metres from the beach.
About 300 metres, but two minutes walk downhill to beach it seems:

Casa da Colina - Praia da Luz - Algarve

Casa da Colina is a spacious villa standing in its own mature grounds less than 300 metres from the beach. It’s position on the hillside gives endless views over the valley, village and sea from the many balconies and verandas. The pool is located on an upper level terrace with a petanque piste on a lower level. Pool heating is available on request.
The gardens are well maintained with orange trees and a sunken courtyard with it’s own lemon tree just off the kitchen. A real sheltered sun trap ideal for alfresco living.
The villa was built for residential use around 1960 and was designed for the fabulous views it’s position commands. Colina is a home with views, space and location. It is not a stereo type, mass produced holiday home. It is full of character and just two minutes from the beach down the hill or go up the hill for instant miles of country walks. In recent years extensive modernisation has taken place to all bathrooms and kitchen. Reiwiring has been carried out to modern standards, air conditioning fitted to most rooms along with a monitored burglar alarm.
Satellite TV and WiFi are also available.

Yes, katkat, I knew I has read somewhere, that someone had said that Casa da Colina and Clement Frued's villa weren't one and the same. This is what I posted earlier today:

exposed as a serial paedophile, Lady Freud apologises, Operation Grange to investigate McCann-Freud links (Daily Telegraph 14 Jun 2016)
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I read, earlier, someone's post where they said that Clement Freud's Villa, and Casa da Colina - Praia da Luz - Algarve, were not the same villas. Well, to remove all doubt, here is the latest description of Casa da Colina, with photographs. Take particular notice of the games room, when comparing this villa:

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With this villa:

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by sallypelt 20.06.16 0:16

I appear to be having problems with the forum tonight.Is it my computer (and I've changed to another computer) or is the forum experiencing problems?

by worriedmum 20.06.16 0:20

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"Again there is the implication now that Freud could possibly be the man sighted by the Smith's......"
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Just a pity then, that NONE of the 'Smith family' NOTICED the hairy 'squirrel' (beard) hanging on 'dear life' from Clammy's CHIN!

The 'beard' Clammy had, for over 70 YEARS.

Clement Freud was 83 in 2007. This begins to be, in Pinkspeak, 'ludicrous'

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by Guest 20.06.16 0:30

sharonl wrote:A perv pub does sound utterly ridiculous, but just look at Elm Lodge Guest House and that elite, worldwide, paedophile ring called the Spartacus Club that publicly promotes itself as a gay club but gives out secret coded messages to its members, letting them know that children will be made available if required. The Spartacus Club operates in a number of hotels and guest houses around the world. To me then, the idea that maybe a perv pub in a place full of expats, that has been referred to as a haven for paedophiles, doesn't sound so ridiculous after all.

The McCanns were claiming from the very beginning that Madeleine was taken by paedophiles but given some of their comments, it looks as if that didn't bother them too much.

"There is no evidence that Madeleine has come to any arm"
"We hope they treat her like a princess"

Then we have those awful photographs of Madeleine and the contents of the Gaspar statements - were the McCanns bothered about David Payne?

Probably the best way to publicly distance yourself from something (in this case, paedophilia) is to claim that you are a victim of it.

One press report even suggested that the PJ suspected that the McCanns were swingers.  Even the nannies were caught half stripped in a night club.

Q: Who did the McCanns phone 1st on May 3rd?   - A: Sky News
Q: Who owns a large share of Sky News?             - A: Rupert Murdoch
Q: Who is Murdochs Son-in Law?                         -A: Matthew Freud
Q: Who is Matthew Freuds father?                         -A: Sir Clement Freud

The McCanns spokesman, Clarence Mitchell, was head of the media monitoring unit. Rebekah Brooks was CEO of Murdochs News Intl and the Sun and it was her who demanded the set up of Operation Grange. The McCanns had made a number of deals with the press. Matthew Freud later employed Clarence Mitchell at Freud International.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if it were Clarence Mitchell who set up that meeting between Sir Clement Freud and the McCanns

For me, there is a very clear link between the McCanns and Clement Freud, especially as Rebekah Brooks says "We are all in this together".

I agree with you a thousand times over with the exception of a clear link between the McCanns and Clement Freud. As I said recently perhaps without making myself very clear (what's new?), whilst paedophilia screams out in connection with Madeleine McCann's fate, under the circumstances so far known, I truly don't believe that the likes of Clement Freud would have been directly involved. The aftermath is another matter altogether - that's where the 'we are all in this together' fits in. If for example, hypothetically speaking, a source close to a McCann was known to be a member of the 'cult' then the protection racket will kick in - all for one and one for all.

Could well be wrong but I still can't comprehend why the McCanns and their mates would be accommodated in a low budget cattle class tourist resort if they were involved with a high profile syndicate based in Portugal.

I completely understand and agree with your point about 'private clubs' in operation to facilitate the filth of society but somehow a perv pub just doesn't fit the bill. I conjured up a picture of folk walking into a roadside pub and discussing matters of paedophilia over a jug of local brew. I almost mentioned gay bars and clubs being a focal meeting place for who knows what but I didn't wish to invite accusations of homophobia aimed at the forum.

Just my opinion - I'm open to being proved wrong.

by Guest 20.06.16 1:02

Richard IV wrote:
Verdi wrote:
notlongnow wrote:How handy having a perv pub in PDL.

Were the locals ok with this pub?

Why is Murat drinking there?

Was this place known as a perv pub pre 2007,or is this a media made up name for it since 2007?
I think Antonella Lazzeri is in desperate need of a reality check. Who's ever heard of a perv pub? What do they do, hang a sign outside the door, advertise in the local rag so as to attract the desired clientele or is it by word of mouth.

The UK press never ceases to amaze me. Someone should tell them that the term 'freedom of the press' does/should not translate into 'you can say what you bloody well like without fear of repercussion.'

Perverts of this horrendous genre don't operate in public, they communicate by code. Which reminds me - the PJ found encoded stuff on Robert Murat's computer, which he couldn't/wouldn't explain.
Hmmm - and of course his mate had conveniently wiped everything from his computer.

Just for the record so it can't be said to be a forum myth..

Witness statement of arguido Robert Murat - 14th May 2007 [snipped]

--- He said he had pornography on the computer. He has pictures with women over 18 years. He has no photographs of men. Just naked women, not sexually explicit, not remembering if they were using phallic objects. He has no record of violent sex, or sadomasochism or submission. He does not have images of rape, or fetishes with children or animals. He does not use an encrypted external server or encrypted content.

--- Asked he said he has nothing to do with the disappearance of the child, nor anything about this case.

--- Asked about if, unlike the normal programs that he described, he had kept or had had installed on his systems [any] abnormal or peculiar [strange] programs, he replied that he only has a program called "CCCleaner" for the improvement of the performance of the system, not retaining programs that erase traces of child pornography. That that program "CCCleaner" was installed by his son three years ago, which statement [for the record] the respondent corrects and declares that his son informed him of the existence of the "CCCleaner" program years before, it having been the declarer who installed it on the XP systems. That he does not know the full potential of the "CCCleaner" program, particularly those that are said in this deposition by the declarer: erasing the history of navigation in INTERNET, of temporary files, exchange of files, recently used documents, register [record] of applications (registry), the various registry files (log's), the "garbage can" or "recycle bin"; asked about the effects of deleting the program, said he was not an expert on the subject and does not know the program well.

--- Asked how he does not know well the effects of the program, if he has known it for more than three years, he said that he is not expert.

---Asked if he uses cryptography on his computers, he said categorically not. Asked if he would use strong encryption in the Internet browser, [he said] he does not use encrypted communications on the Internet and in his computer system. That he does not use nor has encrypted data in his systems, nor used enciphering to mask, hide or to prevent access to data contained in his systems. Asked if he uses encryption or enciphering in e-mail communications, he declared: that he did not know what it is or how to use encryption. Asked about how he could justify the presence of several encrypted or enciphered files, of credentials to access programs, in his systems, seeing he is an experienced user with more than ten years in the use of personal computers and no-one else had access to his network without authorization, he said: "I would not know how to justify that."

--- Asked how he explains the contradiction of maintaining a contradiction between the maintenance of his network unprotected or "open" and his experience that must be telling him to act to the contrary in respect of the security of his network, he said "not to have thought of that."

No more was said ...

by plebgate 20.06.16 8:53

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"Again there is the implication now that Freud could possibly be the man sighted by the Smith's......"
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Just a pity then, that NONE of the 'Smith family' NOTICED the hairy 'squirrel' (beard) hanging on 'dear life' from Clammy's CHIN!

The 'beard' Clammy had, for over 70 YEARS.

So true.

by plebgate 20.06.16 8:57

worriedmum wrote:
jeanmonroe wrote:[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

"Again there is the implication now that Freud could possibly be the man sighted by the Smith's......"
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Just a pity then, that NONE of the 'Smith family' NOTICED the hairy 'squirrel' (beard) hanging on 'dear life' from Clammy's CHIN!

The 'beard' Clammy had, for over 70 YEARS.
Clement Freud was 83 in 2007. This begins to be, in Pinkspeak, 'ludicrous'

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Who needs age defying creams or botox - maybe all those Strawberry Voddies worked miracles. big grin

by plebgate 20.06.16 9:01

Verdi wrote:
Richard IV wrote:
Verdi wrote:
notlongnow wrote:How handy having a perv pub in PDL.

Were the locals ok with this pub?

Why is Murat drinking there?

Was this place known as a perv pub pre 2007,or is this a media made up name for it since 2007?
I think Antonella Lazzeri is in desperate need of a reality check. Who's ever heard of a perv pub? What do they do, hang a sign outside the door, advertise in the local rag so as to attract the desired clientele or is it by word of mouth.

The UK press never ceases to amaze me. Someone should tell them that the term 'freedom of the press' does/should not translate into 'you can say what you bloody well like without fear of repercussion.'

Perverts of this horrendous genre don't operate in public, they communicate by code. Which reminds me - the PJ found encoded stuff on Robert Murat's computer, which he couldn't/wouldn't explain.
Hmmm - and of course his mate had conveniently wiped everything from his computer.
Just for the record so it can't be said to be a forum myth..

Witness statement of arguido Robert Murat - 14th May 2007 [snipped]

--- He said he had pornography on the computer. He has pictures with women over 18 years. He has no photographs of men. Just naked women, not sexually explicit, not remembering if they were using phallic objects. He has no record of violent sex, or sadomasochism or submission. He does not have images of rape, or fetishes with children or animals. He does not use an encrypted external server or encrypted content.

--- Asked he said he has nothing to do with the disappearance of the child, nor anything about this case.

--- Asked about if, unlike the normal programs that he described, he had kept or had had installed on his systems [any] abnormal or peculiar [strange] programs, he replied that he only has a program called "CCCleaner" for the improvement of the performance of the system, not retaining programs that erase traces of child pornography. That that program "CCCleaner" was installed by his son three years ago, which statement [for the record] the respondent corrects and declares that his son informed him of the existence of the "CCCleaner" program years before, it having been the declarer who installed it on the XP systems. That he does not know the full potential of the "CCCleaner" program, particularly those that are said in this deposition by the declarer: erasing the history of navigation in INTERNET, of temporary files, exchange of files, recently used documents, register [record] of applications (registry), the various registry files (log's), the "garbage can" or "recycle bin"; asked about the effects of deleting the program, said he was not an expert on the subject and does not know the program well.

--- Asked how he does not know well the effects of the program, if he has known it for more than three years, he said that he is not expert.

---Asked if he uses cryptography on his computers, he said categorically not. Asked if he would use strong encryption in the Internet browser, [he said] he does not use encrypted communications on the Internet and in his computer system. That he does not use nor has encrypted data in his systems, nor used enciphering to mask, hide or to prevent access to data contained in his systems. Asked if he uses encryption or enciphering in e-mail communications, he declared: that he did not know what it is or how to use encryption. Asked about how he could justify the presence of several encrypted or enciphered files, of credentials to access programs, in his systems, seeing he is an experienced user with more than ten years in the use of personal computers and no-one else had access to his network without authorization, he said: "I would not know how to justify that."

--- Asked how he explains the contradiction of maintaining a contradiction between the maintenance of his network unprotected or "open" and his experience that must be telling him to act to the contrary in respect of the security of his network, he said "not to have thought of that."

No more was said ...

Knowing absolutely nothing about computers would it have been possible for the police to unlock any encrypted files?

NEWSFLASH - The late Sir Clement Freud, resident of Praia da Luz and friend of the McCanns, exposed as a serial paedophile, Lady Freud apologises, Operation Grange to investigate McCann-Freud links (Daily Telegraph 14 Jun 2016)