Re: Digging to start next week (continuation of automatically locked thread) - UPDATE... starting today 2/6/14

[stillsloppingout]

Thinking about this though if it is a whitewash, which I think it will be and the Met is corrupt then what better then to put out a e-fit that represents G  after all they know everyone is viewing them as suspects,  right in your face so to speak . So if it is a planned whitewash that scenario is not implausible when you think of it but not totally convinced.

Absolutely what i said when they did it . Its then laughed off and forgotten " ha ha it looks like Gerry Hahaha " obviously can't be move on . reverse psychology  the same as " Gosh Gerry that looked like you on Crimewatch last night "  Reply " it was me " hahaha move on . deny & arouse suspicion .

[FH]

Tannerman, over many years caused the entire world to take their eyes off the squirrel.  Very cleverly and cynically he was proselytised as a sighting of a potential abductor.
Dr Amaral, who had the statements knew knew from the start that it was nonsense, and as soon as we read the documents a year later we calculated the one minute and 20 seconds and realised, and said, that it was nonsense.  And now DCI Redwood has said it was nonsense. So it is.  It doesn't matter therefore whether Tannerman existed, or was invented.  
He was not the abductor, because  - - - - THERE WAS NO ABDUCTOR

Smithman, for me, falls into the same category.
He is being used to attempt to make us take our eyes off the squirrel.
It does not matter if he was real.  It does not matter if he was a fabrication by the entire family.  It does not matter if he comes forward with his daughter and her pyjamas.  It does not matter if the time given fits, or does not fit into Gerry's movements from the Tapas table . .
It is entirely irrelevant
He was not the abductor, because  - - - - THERE WAS NO ABDUCTOR

There is no point, because  - - - - THERE WAS NO ABDUCTOR

re: "He is being used to attempt to make us take our eyes off the squirrel".

REPLY: Fully agreed. A total distraction. A waste of time to speculate about who he might have been (if real).

re: "It does not matter if he was real. It does not matter if he was a fabrication by the entire family".

REPLY: I beg to differ. It matters a great deal.

Britain's top police force, the Met, told an audience of 6.7 million on the BBC Crimewatch show in October that 'Smithman' really was seen by 'an Irish family'. He then proceeded, bizarrely, to show us TWO efits, which appeared to be of two entirely different people.

Moreover, in presenting these efits, if you listen to the words he actually used, he says that 'the man' was seen 'by witnesses'. He does not actually spell out on the record that these two efits were produced by the Smith family. All this matters hugely. 

For if Smithman is not real, and indeed was a fabrication, DCI Redwood has lied to the whole country. And has got us looking for a phantom.

Tony,
         I have no idea if the Smiths saw someone, or not, but AR said the e-fits were drawn up by witnesses plural. If the Smiths had drawn up e-fits would we expect there to be 2? Would we not expect them to put their recollections into 1 e-fit?  He said Smithman was a revelation. He did not say the e-fits were drawn up by the Smiths. There has been no info released on who drew up the e-fits.  Sometimes it is what isn't said that is important.  Perhaps Smithman is a misnomer. The veracity of the Smiths sighting does not rule out AR following the lead, IF he has other witnesses that saw a man carrying a child in the same vicinity that night and if they drew up the e-fits.  AR has also mentioned the phone records are important.

We are now hearing of a british holiday maker that saw a man carrying a child,  talking in english on a phone. There is no mention of Tannerman being on the phone, so is this a different sighting?  Maybe this witness helped draw up one of the e-fits?  Perhaps Andy has identified a phone ping from the area of this sighting, maybe the pings moved to the scrubby area and then somewhere else quickly?

Does anyone know, given the state of the technology in 2007, how accurately you could  pin point someone's location from phone pings?

[whatliesbehindthesofa]

Does anyone know, given the state of the technology in 2007, how accurately you could  pin point someone's location from phone pings?

I don't know, but I can make some mathematical guesses. If a mast records the distance that a ping is received at, and multiple masts receive the same ping, then you need three activations to triangulate the location precisely. However, just two activations could give you two locations to consider. Ignoring one dimension for a moment, consider two intersecting circles. The circles will most likely cross at two points. My guess is that it all depends on whether a mast can identify the distance of a ping, and whether multiple masts identify the same pings.

[Miraflores]

We are now hearing of a british holiday maker that saw a man carrying a child,

For me, this causes the same problem as Tannerman suddenly coming forward after six years. With all the huge publicity there was, why didn't that person go to the police at the time? Why now?

[tasprin]

 
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Madeleine McCann parents encouraged by progress made by police in Portugal


6 June 2014 Last updated at 01:34 BBC Madeleine McCann: Search keeps spotlight on resort
The first week in the police search for any signs of Madeleine McCann in Praia da Luz is coming to a close and, as yet, there do not seem to have been any major breakthroughs.


So who do you believe,  just  a statement of no significance by the Mcanns

Both statements are true. As yet, there is no major breakthrough in the search for Madeleine, and the McCanns are encouraged by the Scotland Yard's (non) progress.

[whatliesbehindthesofa]

We are now hearing of a british holiday maker that saw a man carrying a child,

For me, this causes the same problem as Tannerman suddenly coming forward after six years. With all the huge publicity there was, why didn't that person go to the police at the time? Why now?

Jane Tanner is a British holidaymaker that claimed to have seen a man carrying a child.   

[jeanmonroe]

If Redwood knew knew, then yes. You are right.
But he too may have been taken in, and be acting in good, if rather stupid, faith.

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'taken in' by whom?

This is a 30 year 'career' hard nosed detective, we're talking about.

FIRST time he's ever been 'lied' to and 'taken in'?

Don't think so.

imo, obviously.

[ChippyM]

Media reports on the PdL search are now very few and far between.  There was much activity on Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday, but yesterday - the same day that the helicopter activity started - reports seemed to dry up.  Appears to be the same today.  Have all the observers sent out to PdL from the media gotten fed up at the same time?  Josh Halliday from the Guardian for example, tweeted very little yesterday and nothing today, after tweeting many times on the 4th.

  There is definitely a lack of reports and no new photographs since yesterday as far as I can see.

[sofieellis]

Media reports on the PdL search are now very few and far between.  There was much activity on Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday, but yesterday - the same day that the helicopter activity started - reports seemed to dry up.  Appears to be the same today.  Have all the observers sent out to PdL from the media gotten fed up at the same time?  Josh Halliday from the Guardian for example, tweeted very little yesterday and nothing today, after tweeting many times on the 4th.

  There is definitely a lack of reports and no new photographs since yesterday as far as I can see.

I can't see anything new really today either. I wonder if that means there is nothing interesting to report, or if there is a media blackout.

[ChippyM]

I can't see anything new really today either. I wonder if that means there is nothing interesting to report, or if there is a media blackout.

  I don't know, it would be strange of for all those reporters to fly out there and then they've all just ignored what's going on or gone home. Hopefully Praia will be back later to tell us if anything has been happening.

[rustyjames]

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Madeleine McCann detectives begin fifth day of searches in Praia da Luz scrubland
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Detectives investigating the disappearance of [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] have begun a fifth day of searches in scrubland a short walk from where she was last seen alive seven years ago.
A team of Scotland Yard officers arrived in the Portuguese holiday resort Praia da Luz shortly before 10am on Friday as the search of the 15-acre area prepared to draw to a close.
Officers are expected to spend another two days searching this dense area of scrubland before expanding the operation to two further sites next week.
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[Justiceseeker]

Maybe the police have already found what they are looking for


Has nobody heard of the expression "The calm before the storm"

[FH]

We are now hearing of a british holiday maker that saw a man carrying a child,

For me, this causes the same problem as Tannerman suddenly coming forward after six years. With all the huge publicity there was, why didn't that person go to the police at the time? Why now?

Jane Tanner is a British holidaymaker that claimed to have seen a man carrying a child.   

This witness allegedly saw a man carrying a child on a phone, speaking English.  Maybe she did go to the police at the time, maybe this is in the undisclosed info that the PJ have. Maybe SY came across it while trawling through the files. Bottom line is we don't know what has been suppressed, we only know what has been released.  Just because we haven't seen it before doesn't mean it is new.  It is just new to us.

AFAIA JT 's statements do NOT mention Tannerman being on a phone. 

I thought Tannerman came forward in 2007, to the PJ, or Leicester police and that was how AR located him for Crimewatch? I'm sure I saw that info on this site a while ago.

IMO There has to be a reason why SY are focussing on that waste ground.

[HelenMeg]

Madeleine McCann detectives begin fifth day of searches in Praia da Luz scrubland
The searches are taking place a short walk from the Ocean Club apartment where Madeleine was last seen alive in May 2007

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Detectives investigating the disappearance of [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] have begun a fifth day of searches in scrubland a short walk from where she was last seen alive seven years ago.
A team of Scotland Yard officers arrived in the Portuguese holiday resort Praia da Luz shortly before 10am on Friday as the search of the 15-acre area prepared to draw to a close.
Officers are expected to spend another two days searching this dense area of scrubland before expanding the operation to two further sites next week.
On Thursday night, Kate and Gerry McCann, who have not travelled to[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], urged people to "refrain from spreading rumours" as they[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.].

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OMG - they're having a laugh!  kate and Gerry asking people to refrain from spreading rumours!!! Do they have a nerve ??
Surely confusion is good, isnt it?. 

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Detectives investigating the disappearance of [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] have begun a fifth day of searches in scrubland a short walk from where she was last seen alive seven years ago.
A team of Scotland Yard officers arrived in the Portuguese holiday resort Praia da Luz shortly before 10am on Friday as the search of the 15-acre area prepared to draw to a close.
Officers are expected to spend another two days searching this dense area of scrubland before expanding the operation to two further sites next week.
On Thursday night, Kate and Gerry McCann, who have not travelled to[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], urged people to "refrain from spreading rumours" as they[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.].

On Thursday night, Kate and Gerry McCann, who have not travelled to[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], urged people to "refrain from spreading rumours" as they[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.].


OMG - they're having a laugh!  kate and Gerry asking people to refrain from spreading rumours!!! Do they have a nerve ??
Surely confusion is good, isnt it?. 

Just look at the expressions on those dogs' faces: dear boss, wtf are we here for?

[petunia]

Maybe the police have already found what they are looking for


Has nobody heard of the expression "The calm before the storm"

Didn't AR ask for calm sometime last year..

[FH]

Does anyone know, given the state of the technology in 2007, how accurately you could  pin point someone's location from phone pings?

I don't know, but I can make some mathematical guesses.  If a mast records the distance that a ping is received at, and multiple masts receive the same ping, then you need three activations to triangulate the location precisely.  However, just two activations could give you two locations to consider.  Ignoring one dimension for a moment, consider two intersecting circles.  The circles will most likely cross at two points.  My guess is that it all depends on whether a mast can identify the distance of a ping, and whether multiple masts identify the same pings.

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Not sure if this is relevent to 2007, but it would appear the distance from the mast is known.
"The masts ping or send signals to your phone. By analysing the time between a signal being sent and received back, your distance from a phone mast can be estimated"
If there are three masts, then triangulation would give you the location of the phone.

Maybe SY have pinpointed search areas from the phone records? Maybe there is no informer, as such.

[Liz Eagles]

Madeleine McCann detectives begin fifth day of searches in Praia da Luz scrubland
The searches are taking place a short walk from the Ocean Club apartment where Madeleine was last seen alive in May 2007

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Detectives investigating the disappearance of [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] have begun a fifth day of searches in scrubland a short walk from where she was last seen alive seven years ago.
A team of Scotland Yard officers arrived in the Portuguese holiday resort Praia da Luz shortly before 10am on Friday as the search of the 15-acre area prepared to draw to a close.
Officers are expected to spend another two days searching this dense area of scrubland before expanding the operation to two further sites next week.
On Thursday night, Kate and Gerry McCann, who have not travelled to[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], urged people to "refrain from spreading rumours" as they[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.].

On Thursday night, Kate and Gerry McCann, who have not travelled to[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], urged people to "refrain from spreading rumours" as they[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.].


OMG - they're having a laugh!  kate and Gerry asking people to refrain from spreading rumours!!! Do they have a nerve ??
Surely confusion is good, isnt it?. 

Just look at the expressions on those dogs' faces: dear boss, wtf are we here for?

They're probably saying 'if you think we're going into that cactus bitch plant from hell then you're joking - and where's the bloody mosquito spray cariad'.

These are Welsh dogs and it's a well known fact that the Welsh take no crap.  

[ChippyM]

.....Detectives investigating the disappearance of [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] have begun a fifth day of searches in scrubland a short walk from where she was last seen alive seven years ago.
A team of Scotland Yard officers arrived in the Portuguese holiday resort Praia da Luz shortly before 10am on Friday as the search of the 15-acre area prepared to draw to a close.
Officers are expected to spend another two days searching this dense area of scrubland before expanding the operation to two further sites next week.
On Thursday night, Kate and Gerry McCann, who have not travelled to[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], urged people to "refrain from spreading rumours" as they[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.].

 So is this an additional team of officers or the original team and they have been staying out of town? 10 am is a bit lazy of them unless they were having discussions or something.

[petunia]

Madeleine McCann detectives begin fifth day of searches in Praia da Luz scrubland
The searches are taking place a short walk from the Ocean Club apartment where Madeleine was last seen alive in May 2007

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Scotland Yard detectives work with sniffer dogs on an area during the search for Madeleine McCann in Praia da Luz. Photograph: Rafael Marchante/REUTERS


Detectives investigating the disappearance of [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] have begun a fifth day of searches in scrubland a short walk from where she was last seen alive seven years ago.
A team of Scotland Yard officers arrived in the Portuguese holiday resort Praia da Luz shortly before 10am on Friday as the search of the 15-acre area prepared to draw to a close.
Officers are expected to spend another two days searching this dense area of scrubland before expanding the operation to two further sites next week.
On Thursday night, Kate and Gerry McCann, who have not travelled to[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], urged people to "refrain from spreading rumours" as they[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.].

On Thursday night, Kate and Gerry McCann, who have not travelled to[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], urged people to "refrain from spreading rumours" as they[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.].


OMG - they're having a laugh!  kate and Gerry asking people to refrain from spreading rumours!!! Do they have a nerve ??
Surely confusion is good, isnt it?. 

Just look at the expressions on those dogs' faces: dear boss, wtf are we here for?

They're probably saying 'if you think we're going into that cactus bitch plant from hell then you're joking - and where's the bloody mosquito spray cariad'.

These are Welsh dogs and it's a well known fact that the Welsh take no crap.  

   

[Atomic Peanut]

It makes no sense that a British witness saw a guy go into the scrubland, flee, and then say nothing to the police for 7 years even though there was a worldwide search for a missing girl.  I'm calling bull on it.

Yes maybe it's rubbish. But maybe the "witness" was one of the T9?

[waiting for justice]

Tannerman, over many years caused the entire world to take their eyes off the squirrel.  Very cleverly and cynically he was proselytised as a sighting of a potential abductor.

He was not the abductor, because  - - - - THERE WAS NO ABDUCTOR

Smithman, for me, falls into the same category.

There is no point, because  - - - - THERE WAS NO ABDUCTOR

re: "It does not matter if he was real. It does not matter if he was a fabrication by the entire family".

REPLY: I beg to differ. It matters a great deal.

Britain's top police force, the Met, told an audience of 6.7 million on the BBC Crimewatch show in October that 'Smithman' really was seen by 'an Irish family'. He then proceeded, bizarrely, to show us TWO efits, which appeared to be of two entirely different people.

Moreover, in presenting these efits, if you listen to the words he actually used, he says that 'the man' was seen 'by witnesses'. He does not actually spell out on the record that these two efits were produced by the Smith family. All this matters hugely. 

For if Smithman is not real, and indeed was a fabrication, DCI Redwood has lied to the whole country. And has got us looking for a phantom.

Because the whole thing was such a farce, I came to the conclusion that it was a smokescreen to get a certain pair of celebrities back on the sofa to have them checked by profilers & body language experts etc during the SY phase. So many have been caught out by this in recent times where suspician arose. Ian Huntley, Mick Philpot..

[jeanmonroe]

ChippyM wrote:

10 am is a bit lazy of them unless they were having discussions or something.
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Maybe they were waiting for a strong enough 'signal' to log on to THIS forum's 'site'!

" 'urry up sarge, or we'll be 'ere all morning trying to catch up on the hundreds of posts that 'ave bin posted since the bar shut at 2am"

[worriedmum]

Aha..... but is it a red or a grey squirrel ?   

A dead Squirrel 

A pink one, keep your eyes on it.

How do you know it was a squirrel...could it have been a decoy rodent, heavily disguised , intended to focus attention elsewhere... 

[jeanmonroe]

Aha..... but is it a red or a grey squirrel ?   

A dead Squirrel 

A pink one, keep your eyes on it.

How do you know it was a squirrel...could it have been a decoy rodent, heavily disguised , intended to focus attention elsewhere... 

"err, whatzup DOC"?

[Bishop Brennan]

If Redwood knew knew, then yes. You are right.
But he too may have been taken in, and be acting in good, if rather stupid, faith.

Any more socks found today at all? If this is all just expensive window-dressing then at least the 2 dogs look as though they are having a whale of a time. Good on them.

[Praia]

All quiet today, very overcast. I have not been able to read all the thread updates here but a cannibas plant was found flourishing among the scrubland.
I would have love to have seen Redwood's face!

[jeanmonroe]

Any more socks found today at all?
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Nope, only Gurney!

[Praia]

I think it was jrob who asked about TM's extended stay at the OC. It was all free, an apt to stay in and an apt for an office. The family enjoyed the facilities all inclusive.
They had the twins in the kids club full time. Their age group were behind the Tapas bar right beside the main road visible to the world. I saw them myself twice. Anyone could have taken pictures of them playing.
They moved early July. The local mayor was quoted saying all their expenses would be taken care of, locals complained and said that what was the fund was for.
They did not use the Scenic for offiicial trips, a car and driver was provided. This makes the miles up on the Scenic even more suspect.