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Post by Okeydokey on 21.03.14 0:02

This is more than a Crimewatch update. It seems like the UK Press is trying to claim "game over". I think it deserves a separate thread.  This was posted by Russian Doll -



http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/mar/20/madeleine-mcann-suspect-died-in-2009

Madeleine McCann suspect 'died in 2009'
Revelation by source close to investigators comes day after new appeal for information on British girl's disappearance in Portugal

Brendan de Beer in Praia da Luz and James Meikle
theguardian.com, Thursday 20 March 2014 22.35 GMT

A suspect in Madeleine McCann case who may have sexually assaulted five British girls in the Algarve up to 10 years ago died in 2009, according to a source close to Portuguese investigators into the disappearance of the three year-old.

The source also said there had been another so far unpublicised incident in which another British girl on holiday with her parents was sexually abused, although he did not go into when this came to light nor where or when it took place.

The revelations came the day after the Metropolitan police in Britain appealed for information on a total of 12 incidents in which an intruder entered holiday accommodation in three resort areas including one where Madeleine, then three, went missing in May 2007. Four of these cases, between 2004 and 2006, involved assaults on girls aged seven to 10 and one involved two children, according to Scotland Yard, although police in both countries have looked at incidents up to 2010, three years after Madeleine vanished.


** Daily Star front page   " Maddie sex fiend is dead"

 and this

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/uk/crime/article4040048.ece


Police in Portugal said yesterday they know the identity of the serial sex attacker who British police fear may have killed Madeleine McCann.
Scotland Yard says it is seeking information about a man who sneaked into bedrooms to assault young girls holidaying with their families on the Algarve on at least 12 occasions.
But Portuguese detectives say that man was likely to have been Euclides Monteiro, a convicted burglar and drug addict who they regard as the chief suspect in the Madeleine case.



remainder is sourced back to the Guardian report posted above

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Post by Guest on 21.03.14 0:12

Disgusting they are pinning this on a dead man.

How has someone that the papers called a 'petty thief' not so long ago now be accused of paedophilia and has added to his vast cv murder and hiding a body.

He is some man though given he is reportedly responsible for these attacks up to 2010 when he died in 2009.
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Post by j.rob on 21.03.14 0:20

Who are these families? If this is all true, the various police forces have had this information from the very beginning. Assuming it IS true, which is quite a big assumption. So first we need to establish that this story is true (which seems doubtful) and secondly why would this have anything whatsoever to do with Madeleine McCann when the evidence points to her parents being responsible for her disappearance?
 
'Maddie sex fiend is dead' - really? How convenient - is this Clarence Darling PR?

Frankly, it sounds like a load of old rubbish - usual UK media crap. The Daily Star is probably the most dreadful paper - but then again the Times is owned by Murdoch so that's rubbish too. And, unfortunately, The Guardian fails to deliver as well.

A shame. This story is all a load of cr**, imo!

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Post by sallypelt on 21.03.14 0:27

Didn't SY say at the start of this investigation that there were 3 strands to it? The MET, the Portuguese police, and the private investigators. So, I am of the opinion that this latest "news" has come from the private investigators' findings. After all, the McCann's can't argue against those findings............can they?

As for the attacks on "young ENGLISH girls", I also ask, who are these people? I am not asking them to name names, but where do they come from. How old, exactly, were these young girls, and why only "English girls"?  Are these claims along the same lines as the "sightings" we've seen over the last 7 years? (although they have gone very quiet  of late)

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Post by Okeydokey on 21.03.14 0:32

@sallypelt wrote:Didn't SY say at the start of this investigation that there were 3 strands to it? The MET, the Portuguese police, and the private investigators. So, I am of the opinion that this latest "news" has come from the private investigators' findings. After all, the McCann's can't argue against those findings............can they?

As for the attacks on "young ENGLISH girls", I also ask, who are these people? I am not asking them to name names, but where do they come from. How old, exactly, were these young girls, and why only "English girls"?  Are these claims along the same lines as the "sightings" we've seen over the last 7 years? (although they have gone very quiet  of late)

Quite - we need to know at the very minimum whether these reports have come from the McCann detectives after interview (i.e. not credible) or from original Portugese official reports (= much more credible).

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Post by Guest on 21.03.14 0:33

I do wonder if the Guardian started out as being the sole voice of reason yesterday, then were forced to, if not retract, then at least 'modify their interpretation' of Redwood's words.

Slap on the wrist yesterday = toeing the line today. Someone big's a-leaning, methinks.
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Post by whatliesbehindthesofa on 21.03.14 1:07

If Euclid Monteiro and Redwood's Stinkman are not one and the same, Scotland Yard simply have to say so now. Portuguese media is one thing, but this is being reported in the UK press now. They cannot stay quiet on this one.

If they do stay quiet, unfortunately I will have to assume the worst.

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Post by jeanmonroe on 21.03.14 2:11

How very, VERY, ODD was that?

AFTER CW. 'broadcast'

THURSDAY 20th MARCH, 2014.

LK had Maddie front page , Mirror, showing on table, NOT A MENTION.
This Morning 'scrapped' their 'paper review' COMPLETELY.
SKY News, BBC News, ITV News, NOT A MENTION
"SYCHOPHANTIC" Maddie Channel 5 News   NOT A MENTION
Channel 4 NOT A MENTION

WTF just 'happened' there with the UK Meedja?

A one too far, VERY badly told tale, by the 'woodentop' ''son of DS 'Stitcher' Campbell'  DCI Redwood/MET?
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Post by jeanmonroe on 21.03.14 2:53

HOW 'embarrassing' must it be for DCI Redwood when he goes into the canteen at Belgravia, and the whole place falls 'silent'?

Somebody, NNM, on this forum, KNOWS 'a proper cop or two' at the Met and Belgravia, and they say it is a total fcuking 'embarrassment' to them to hear the BS 'Operation Strange' is putting out!

As TB pointed out we are supposed to be IMPRESSED by the 'statistics' they put out ( look how HARD we are 'working' guys)

Hence the pathetic 'tour' of the MIT 'room' at Belgravia, we saw in CW. and all their ZILLIONS of 'files' and the 'feverishly beavering away' Maddie 'cops'

To SMASH this 'case' to 'smithereens' the MET only need ELEVEN 'files'

The 'statements' from the fcuking 'lying' T9+JW+Enhanced Victim Recovery Dog (E.V.R.D.) 'report'

THAT WILL BE IT.

GAME OVER!

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Post by aquila on 21.03.14 3:09



The BS continues.
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Post by jeanmonroe on 21.03.14 3:41

And the 'GAME' goes on, and on, and on.



http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/466044/Scotland-Yard-receive-surge-of-messages-after-new-Madeleine-McCann-appeal

New TV appeal boosts Maddy search with 250 calls and emails
DETECTIVES hunting a vile sex ­predator linked to the disappearance of Madeleine McCann were following up fresh leads last night.
By: David PilditchPublished: Fri, March 21, 20

A new television appeal for Madeleine McCann has resurged public interest [GETTY]
Investigators were sifting through more than 250 calls and emails after making a dramatic TV appeal.

They want to trace a suspect who assaulted five British girls on holiday in the Portuguese Algarve, where Madeleine went missing.

But yesterday hopes of a breakthrough faced a setback following reports of a rift between Scotland Yard and their counterparts in Portugal.
Operation Grange detectives in the hunt for Madeleine were accused of stealing the lead over the new suspect, described as a pot-bellied paedophile who may have worked as a binman, from Portuguese investigators.

Officers are now reviewing the information and following up lines of inquiry
Scotland Yard spokesman

At the same time sources in Portugal poured cold water on a Yard line of inquiry linking a separate suspect, Euclides Lopes Monteiro, 40, to the then three-year-old Madeleine’s disappearance in Praia da Luz in May 2007.

Insiders claim Monteiro was quizzed by local police during the original investigation and freed by a court because of lack of evidence. The Cape Verde immigrant died in a tractor accident in 2009.

Last night Prime Minister David Cameron was said to be ready to intervene and put pressure on the Portuguese authorities if the progress of the latest investigation is stalled.

Scotland Yard had called for a joint probe with Portuguese detectives after international legal red tape hampered progress in the hunt for Madeleine.

A close working relationship is more critical than ever as the search for Kate and Gerry McCann’s missing daughter enters a critical new phase over the so-called “pot-bellied” suspect.

Inspector Helena Monteiro has a new lead in the Maddie case [PH]

Yard officers launched an appeal on Wednesday night’s BBC Crimewatch programme for information about the mystery man who is said to have broken into the holiday homes of 12 British families and abused five children in their beds.

And they were handed a potential breakthrough as new information flooded in. A Yard spokesman said: “We have received over 250 calls and emails. Officers are now reviewing the information and following up lines of inquiry.”

Deputy Assistant Commissioner Martin Hewitt spoke of his frustration at delays when launching the TV appeal. But a No.10 spokesman said yesterday: “The Prime Minister and the Home Secretary have always been clear they very much support the work that the British police authorities are doing on this.

“They are always ready to consider what more there is that could be done and always stand by to make further representations to the Portuguese government, for example, if that would help.”

However, hopes of greater co-operation appeared further away than ever last night as the Portuguese claimed that Scotland Yard had “hijacked” their investigation.

Well-placed Policia Judiciara sources credited a team led by Inspector Helena Monteiro with uncovering evidence about the unnamed pot-bellied suspect, and insisted they had informed the Yard last October.

Insiders in Portugal also insisted that there was no new lead over the dead suspect, Euclides Monteiro (no relation) who served five years in jail for a string of break-ins on the Algarve.

One source told the respected Portuguese newspaper Diario de Noticias: “All the cases mentioned by the British police were investigated by local police.

“Euclides was arrested but freed by a court because of lack of evidence.”
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CARE TO COMMENT, STINKY FELLA 'lookalike' REDWOOD on THIS?

"However, hopes of greater co-operation appeared further away than ever last night as the Portuguese claimed that Scotland Yard had “hijacked” their investigation."

"Well-placed Policia Judiciara sources credited a team led by Inspector Helena Monteiro with uncovering evidence about the unnamed pot-bellied suspect, and insisted they had informed the Yard last October."

THOUGHT NOT!

YOU FCUKING BULLSHITTING BAS*ARD!

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Post by aquila on 21.03.14 4:41

The Fund we were/are told will conduct itself with 'transparency'.

I seem to remember Operation Grange used the same word 'transparency' when speaking of the 'review'.
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Post by Bishop Brennan on 21.03.14 5:07

As with the other 'breakthrough' headlines, I think what we are seeing is a series of "Test Closes" - by that I mean using the media to float possible ways to close down this case for ever. The first 'breakthrough' was 'tractorman' - but absolutely nobody bought it, the motive was preposterous (annoyed about losing his job). Then it was the 3 burglars - they brought out BHH on that one - it fitted in with all the phone analysis, but still nobody bought it (burglary went wrong, so steal a kid!).

And so finally they have brought out the bazooka. The serial child sex offender who targets white girls. And DC to champion it. Now nobody can dispute the guilt or the motive. This IS the man. No question. And he may well have killed her too, the utter b@stard. They knew the press would have a field day with this one, and they have. They knew nobody would question the motive, and they haven't.

All of these test closes have one thing in common. A dead or faceless criminal. There can never be a trial here - there is no evidence of any sort. The victim therefore HAS to be dead or unfindable. That way he can be tried, convicted and the case closed - all by the media.

The entire review has been a terrible mistake - and they have known it for some time now. As such, it's not that that they need a whitewash, they need an exit strategy. To find one, they have had to leave the original SY remit far behind and resort to increasingly desperate measures.
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Post by aquila on 21.03.14 5:28

@Bishop Brennan wrote:As with the other 'breakthrough' headlines, I think what we are seeing is a series of "Test Closes" - by that I mean using the media to float possible ways to close down this case for ever.  The first 'breakthrough' was 'tractorman' - but absolutely nobody bought it, the motive was preposterous (annoyed about losing his job).  Then it was the 3 burglars - they brought out BHH on that one - it fitted in with all the phone analysis, but still nobody bought it (burglary went wrong, so steal a kid!).

And so finally they have brought out the bazooka. The serial child sex offender who targets white girls.  And DC to champion it.  Now nobody can dispute the guilt or the motive.  This IS the man.  No question.  And he may well have killed her too, the utter b@stard.  They knew the press would have a field day with this one, and they have.  They knew nobody would question the motive, and they haven't.  

All of these test closes have one thing in common. A dead or faceless criminal.  There can never be a trial here - there is no evidence of any sort. The victim therefore HAS to be dead or unfindable.  That way he can be tried, convicted and the case closed - all by the media.    

The entire review has been a terrible mistake - and they have known it for some time now.  As such, it's not that that they need a whitewash, they need an exit strategy.  To find one, they have had to leave the original SY remit far behind and resort to increasingly desperate measures.
This is a really good post BB, however could you explain who 'they' are?
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Post by Bishop Brennan on 21.03.14 5:58

@aquila wrote:
@Bishop Brennan wrote:
The entire review has been a terrible mistake - and they have known it for some time now.  As such, it's not that that they need a whitewash, they need an exit strategy.  To find one, they have had to leave the original SY remit far behind and resort to increasingly desperate measures.
This is a really good post BB, however could you explain who 'they' are?

Kind of you to say so aquila.  I think that "they" in my last para refers to the MET / SY.   My thinking is that "they" did not ask for nor initiate this review. It was handed to them like some kind of poisoned chalice by DC and TM (Theresa May).  After the initial work in which they kept to the remit of 'assisting the Portuguese police', I believe they realised that they could never solve it (too far away /too long ago / can't interview suspects / no jurisdiction / unable to interview T9).  

But instead of admitting that and letting the PJ get on with it, someone (politicians / senior MET ?) appears to have forced them to press on - spending more and more money.  To admit failure now would cause a media backlash - they have spent too much - invested too much national pride. Hence the search for an exit.
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Post by tigger on 21.03.14 6:30

@Bishop Brennan wrote:As with the other 'breakthrough' headlines, I think what we are seeing is a series of "Test Closes" - by that I mean using the media to float possible ways to close down this case for ever.  The first 'breakthrough' was 'tractorman' - but absolutely nobody bought it, the motive was preposterous (annoyed about losing his job).  Then it was the 3 burglars - they brought out BHH on that one - it fitted in with all the phone analysis, but still nobody bought it (burglary went wrong, so steal a kid!).

And so finally they have brought out the bazooka. The serial child sex offender who targets white girls.  And DC to champion it.  Now nobody can dispute the guilt or the motive.  This IS the man.  No question.  And he may well have killed her too, the utter b@stard.  They knew the press would have a field day with this one, and they have.  They knew nobody would question the motive, and they haven't.  

All of these test closes have one thing in common. A dead or faceless criminal.  There can never be a trial here - there is no evidence of any sort. The victim therefore HAS to be dead or unfindable.  That way he can be tried, convicted and the case closed - all by the media.    

The entire review has been a terrible mistake - and they have known it for some time now.  As such, it's not that that they need a whitewash, they need an exit strategy.  To find one, they have had to leave the original SY remit far behind and resort to increasingly desperate measures.

Whereas finding 'proof' that one's daughter was murdered by a paedophile would be the worst news one could receive, in this case the worst news for the parents would be the cessation of the Ltd. Co. imo.
Imo that was the reason for their distressed faces last year May.

For the moment it seems the press doesn't want to let it go, the Ltd.Co. is safe until the press drop their sure-fire money maker. As soon as SY announces an end to the farce, the headlines will be Wallace and Grommit 'knowing' she is alive, with a few suitable tricks thrown in which I won't add as it will give TM ideas.  pray2 

In any case Kate is already being paid a handsome stipend for errrm just being Kate by the Missing People charity. Those ambassadors don't come cheap.

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Post by Tony Bennett on 21.03.14 6:59

@tigger wrote:
@Bishop Brennan wrote:As with the other 'breakthrough' headlines, I think what we are seeing is a series of "Test Closes" - by that I mean using the media to float possible ways to close down this case for ever.  The first 'breakthrough' was 'tractorman' -
For the moment it seems the press doesn't want to let it go, the Ltd.Co. is safe until the press drop their sure-fire money maker. As soon as SY announces an end to the farce, the headlines will be Wallace and Grommit 'knowing' she is alive, with a few suitable tricks thrown in which I won't add as it will give TM ideas.   
@ Bishop Brennan, the 'test case' hypothesis is most certainly consistent with what we have seen. I think, though, there was an earlier attempt to bring Raymond Hewlett back into the frame, so he may have been the first, rather than 'Tractorman'

@ tigger, some of the British press are running with the 'leak' from the British press that 'smelly bin ban' is in fact 'Tractorman', Euclid Monteiro. russiandoll reported on this in her post of 11.33pm last nihgt on the latest 'CrimeWatch' thread. Here's the gist of the three reports:

  
1. THE GUARDIAN


http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/mar/20/madeleine-mcann-suspect-died-in-2009

Madeleine McCann suspect 'died in 2009'
Revelation by source close to investigators comes day after new appeal for information on British girl's disappearance in Portugal

Brendan de Beer in Praia da Luz and James Meikle
theguardian.com, Thursday 20 March 2014 22.35 GMT

A suspect in Madeleine McCann case who may have sexually assaulted five British girls in the Algarve up to 10 years ago died in 2009, according to a source close to Portuguese investigators into the disappearance of the three year-old.

The source also said there had been another so far unpublicised incident in which another British girl on holiday with her parents was sexually abused, although he did not go into when this came to light nor where or when it took place.

The revelations came the day after the Metropolitan police in Britain appealed for information on a total of 12 incidents in which an intruder entered holiday accommodation in three resort areas including one where Madeleine, then three, went missing in May 2007. Four of these cases, between 2004 and 2006, involved assaults on girls aged seven to 10 and one involved two children, according to Scotland Yard, although police in both countries have looked at incidents up to 2010, three years after Madeleine vanished.




2. DAILY STAR

** Daily Star front page " Maddie sex fiend is dead"

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3. THE TIMES

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/uk/crime/article4040048.ece

Police in Portugal said yesterday they know the identity of the serial sex attacker who British police fear may have killed Madeleine McCann.

Scotland Yard says it is seeking information about a man who sneaked into bedrooms to assault young girls holidaying with their families on the Algarve on at least 12 occasions.

But Portuguese detectives say that man was likely to have been Euclides Monteiro, a convicted burglar and drug addict who they regard as the chief suspect in the Madeleine case.

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Post by sharonl on 21.03.14 7:48

A drug addict

Attacked kids in their bedroom

May have Killed Madeleine

Where is all this leading to? Are the excuses in advance of anything that the PJ might have found? Or something that may come out in Amarals trial? Looks like forward planning to me.

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Post by sharonl on 21.03.14 7:48

A drug addict

Attacked kids in their bedroom

May have Killed Madeleine

Where is all this leading to?  Are these excuses in advance of anything that the PJ might have found? Or something that may come out in Amarals trial? Looks like forward planning to me.

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Post by canada12 on 21.03.14 8:19

It still sounds to me like the McCanns' defense strategy if it ever goes to court.

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Post by Guest on 21.03.14 8:25

@Tony Bennett wrote:
@ Bishop Brennan, the 'test case' hypothesis is most certainly consistent with what we have seen. I think, though, there was an earlier attempt to bring Raymond Hewlett back into the frame, so he may have been the first, rather than 'Tractorman'


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Post by tigger on 21.03.14 8:37

Clay Regazzoni wrote:
@Tony Bennett wrote:
@ Bishop Brennan, the 'test case' hypothesis is most certainly consistent with what we have seen. I think, though, there was an earlier attempt to bring Raymond Hewlett back into the frame, so he may have been the first, rather than 'Tractorman'


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 big grin  I was about to post:  ???  - and then I got it, can be hard for us foreigners....

This would be the third dead paedo they've fielded.

Hewlett, the Swiss one and the latest effort.

Never mind, the public at large loves this vicarious suffering. The press will supply it for as long as it sells.
Would be interesting to link Maddie stories to daily sales of the tabloids.

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Post by PeterMac on 21.03.14 8:39

Correct me if I am wrong.
The "sex attacks" by the English speaking smelly bin man continued until 2010.
Tractorman died in 2009. Did he speak ze eenglesh ?

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Post by sami on 21.03.14 8:42

@PeterMac wrote:Correct me if I am wrong.
The "sex attacks" by the English speaking smelly bin man continued until 2010.
Tractorman died in 2009. Did he speak ze eenglesh ?


I was about to ask exactly the same question. That is my understanding also.

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Post by plebgate on 21.03.14 8:44

So who is the source close to the PJ who revealed this info.?

Not long ago we read this from Joana M's site  -  "Maddie Case, Judiciary police warns English don't want to see the investigation in press".

but now along comes a source close to the PJ with this info.    Yeah right.

Dog's B's in my opinion and another money spinning story for the weekend papers?

None of it adds up, PJ/SY know it.  if they try and pin it on a dead man, the questions still wont go away.

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