Re: Stephen D Birch: 'Could 50,000 people please send me £1 each for a deal I've negotiated with Robert Murat and Correia da Manha to dig up Murat's driveway'

by Guest 05.01.14 16:55

https://www.facebook.com/diggingformadeleinmccann?ref=ts

I see that he's been asked to provide proof that he has a letter from Robert Murat's solicitor asking for this money. That should be interesting to see.

by Guest 05.01.14 16:56

Back to Stephen Birch [who does have issues IMO ...] on January 2 below. IMO this will not have him made many friends, yet rather show him for what he just very well may be: a Jack of all Trades with no real talents, but with tendency to ... blackmail ... big grin

"The Flag on the left is Spain, the flag on the right is Portugal. Portugal has left the body of Madeleine McCann buried under the Murat driveway. Portugal closed the case on the missing little girl for 6 years. Which country will you be spending your holiday in and your hard earned pounds ? Its a matter of principle, make the right choice."

by **Tony Bennett** 05.01.14 17:02

Châtelaine wrote:Back to Stephen Birch [who does have issues IMO ...] on January 2 below. IMO this will not have him made many friends, yet rather show him for what he just very well may be: a Jack of all Trades with no real talents, but with tendency to ... blackmail ...

"The Flag on the left is Spain, the flag on the right is Portugal. Portugal has left the body of Madeleine McCann buried under the Murat driveway. Portugal closed the case on the missing little girl for 6 years. Which country will you be spending your holiday in and your hard earned pounds ? Its a matter of principle, make the right choice."

Yes, Chatelaine, there is rather more than a hint of menace about him, as in (a few weeks ago):

Tony remove my celphone off that forum. I am not the McCanns , by the time I am finished with you, you’ll be on the street corner, begging for money with a cap on the floor. You’ve been warned.

But then con-merchants tend to get very frustrated, angry and threatening when they are not believed...

by bristow 05.01.14 17:04

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:https://www.facebook.com/diggingformadeleinmccann?ref=ts

I see that he's been asked to provide proof that he has a letter from Robert Murat's solicitor asking for this money. That should be interesting to see.

Yes I am awaiting that with interest.

by plebgate 05.01.14 17:05

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:https://www.facebook.com/diggingformadeleinmccann?ref=ts

I see that he's been asked to provide proof that he has a letter from Robert Murat's solicitor asking for this money. That should be interesting to see.

Should have provided the proof from the start.

It might be a good idea for C-D-M to give it front page headlines and ask their readers to contribute.

by plebgate 05.01.14 17:08

Tony Bennett wrote:
Châtelaine wrote:Back to Stephen Birch [who does have issues IMO ...] on January 2 below. IMO this will not have him made many friends, yet rather show him for what he just very well may be: a Jack of all Trades with no real talents, but with tendency to ... blackmail ...

"The Flag on the left is Spain, the flag on the right is Portugal. Portugal has left the body of Madeleine McCann buried under the Murat driveway. Portugal closed the case on the missing little girl for 6 years. Which country will you be spending your holiday in and your hard earned pounds ? Its a matter of principle, make the right choice."

Yes, Chatelaine, there is rather more than a hint of menace about him, as in (a few weeks ago):

Tony remove my celphone off that forum. I am not the McCanns , by the time I am finished with you, you’ll be on the street corner, begging for money with a cap on the floor. You’ve been warned.

But then con-merchants tend to get very frustrated, angry and threatening when they are not believed...

Well it is obvious he isn't Mr & Mrs. - he would have millions in the bank by now and wouldn't need to ask 50,000 people to give him £1. titter

by Woofer 05.01.14 17:15

Thanks for that RD - I understand how things may have come across particularly as there are a lot of negative comments about Birch. But I think he has many positive traits (which are exaggerated) and hence come across as if he`s stupid. Mind you, this recent request for money sets me wondering if he`s being super-naive or whether someone has put him up to it (RM?).

He must be quite wealthy to have undertaken this project in the first place, and one wonders whether he made money from his company or whether he inherited money.

by Guest 05.01.14 17:23

Now, can someone, please, help me and refresh my memory.

Long before Birch came into the news with his ground penetrating radar stuff et al, there were stories about him and IIRC a couple of "friends", who had - the 3 of them - privileged information about the McCann case and theories/proof ... Then he [Birch] conned them and run away with the "project" on his own ....

Sorry to be so vague. Even without my present fatigue, I wouldn't be able to be more coherent about this ...

by Woofer 05.01.14 17:24

Tony Bennett wrote:
Châtelaine wrote:Back to Stephen Birch [who does have issues IMO ...] on January 2 below. IMO this will not have him made many friends, yet rather show him for what he just very well may be: a Jack of all Trades with no real talents, but with tendency to ... blackmail ...

"The Flag on the left is Spain, the flag on the right is Portugal. Portugal has left the body of Madeleine McCann buried under the Murat driveway. Portugal closed the case on the missing little girl for 6 years. Which country will you be spending your holiday in and your hard earned pounds ? Its a matter of principle, make the right choice."

Yes, Chatelaine, there is rather more than a hint of menace about him, as in (a few weeks ago):

Tony remove my celphone off that forum. I am not the McCanns , by the time I am finished with you, you’ll be on the street corner, begging for money with a cap on the floor. You’ve been warned.

But then con-merchants tend to get very frustrated, angry and threatening when they are not believed...

Now that statement of his IMO is just childish . Similar to when a 6/7 yr old is in a strop and yells `oh bumholes` thinking he`s being really scarey.

by Guest 05.01.14 17:26

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:https://www.facebook.com/diggingformadeleinmccann?ref=ts

I see that he's been asked to provide proof that he has a letter from Robert Murat's solicitor asking for this money. That should be interesting to see.

Taken his ball home, now, 'shocked by the behaviour' of his facebook followers.

Gonna raise the dosh himself...

by Guest 05.01.14 17:31

Just saw that ... empathy

by Guest 05.01.14 17:34

Oh dear........

Chatelaine, I may be wrong - wouldn't be the first time and certainly won't be the last - but is that Danie Krugel you're talking about?

by **Tony Bennett** 05.01.14 17:54

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:Oh dear...

Chatelaine, I may be wrong - wouldn't be the first time and certainly won't be the last - but is that Danie Krugel you're talking about?

There is certainly some kind of connection or contact between Danie Krugel and Stephen Birch, and, yes, I think they fell out over something, I did read that somewhere.

Here's a fascinating 6-minute clip of con-man Danie Krugel trying to fool everybody with another fake South African machine:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfkRFobzF38

It's just so obvious that there's something attached to the hairbrush, something metal or magnetic - making the dial move.

What seems truly extraordinary is how both Gerry McCann and the Portuguese Police appear to have taken this man seriously; there must be some rational explanation.

There is however one factual feature about this clip that requires analysis.

During the video, Krugel says he has Madeleine's hairbrush and plenty of strands of hair belonging to Madeleine and the twins. He says 'Gerry McCann gave them to me'.

So...

1. Was this hairbrush in Praia da Luz - or left behind in Rothley?

and

2. Why did Krugel need the twins' hairs?

There are con-men, more con-men and even more con-men (and hundreds of 'psychics', who are also con-men and con-women) all over this poor girl's disappearance

by bobbin 05.01.14 18:02

Tony Bennett wrote:
No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:Oh dear...

Chatelaine, I may be wrong - wouldn't be the first time and certainly won't be the last - but is that Danie Krugel you're talking about?

There is certainly some kind of connection or contact between Danie Krugel and Stephen Birch, and, yes, I think they fell out over something, I did read that somewhere.

Here's a fascinating 6-minute clip of con-man Danie Krugel trying to fool everybody with another fake South African machine:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfkRFobzF38

It's just so obvious that there's something attached to the hairbrush, something metal or magnetic - making the dial move.

What seems truly extraordinary is how both Gerry McCann and the Portuguese Police appear to have taken this man seriously; there must be some rational explanation.

There is however one factual feature about this clip that requires analysis.

During the video, Krugel says he has Madeleine's hairbrush and plenty of strands of hair belonging to Madeleine and the twins. He says 'Gerry McCann gave them to me'.

So...

1. Was this hairbrush in Praia da Luz - or left behind in Rothley?

and

2. Why did Krugel need the twins' hairs?

There are con-men, more con-men and even more con-men (and hundreds of 'psychics', who are also con-men and con-women) all over this poor girl's disappearance

The PJ couldn't find any evidence of Maddie, nor a hairbrush nor toothbrush and they were there on the scene straight away. If such had existed, had they been rushed off upstairs to the Paynes possibly? If so, why?
However, if you didn't want your 'abducted' child to be found because the 'fund' would dry up and you'd then have to fork out to pay your own mortgage and New Zealand white, wouldn't you give 'any old hair brush' with 'honest gov, it's kosher' lots of hair attached, knowing that FDanny Krugel isn't going to find her anyway because he's possibly .... I was going to say fake... but I must think of another word so as to remain politically correct.

by Guest 05.01.14 18:04

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:Oh dear........

Chatelaine, I may be wrong - wouldn't be the first time and certainly won't be the last - but is that Danie Krugel you're talking about?

***
NO, FWTD, No. It was a COUPLE of friends and Birch. They had privileged information. He took it and run with it ... That's how I remember it. Nothing to do with the non-existing hair in a non-functioning device kind of thing ... big grin

by sonic72 05.01.14 19:37

I thought he is supposed to be a businessman, so why cant he pay for it himself?

Smells of scam.

by The Rooster 05.01.14 19:38

Personally I quite admire Stephen Birch.

by Pershing36 05.01.14 19:46

I have wondered for awhile if he has been hired for dis-information purposes.

by Guest 05.01.14 19:50

The Rooster wrote:Personally I quite admire Stephen Birch.

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You make me wonder why ... Do tell smilie

by Guest 05.01.14 19:56

Meanwhile a dear friend directed me to what I've writing about before.

"A video showing Birch using a georadar machine, allegedly in Murat's garden at Casa Liliana, is now circulating on the web, including on YouTube. In the interview with Portuguese TV station, Expresso TV, he said: "Maddie died on May 3, 2007 and she was put into the ground that same day."

This comes as a heated row has erupted between Birch and two Cape Town private investigators amid allegations that all three are in the hunt for the sake of the R35 million reward.

Last week the Saturday Star reported claims by the property developer that he may have found the grave of missing Madeleine McCann less than 200m from the Praia da Luz resort in Portugal, using the radar scanning device. Now private investigators Martin van Wyk and his sister Bernice Manson have accused Birch of stealing their research and passing it off as his own.

But Birch didn't respond in detail saying he had been advised by his attorneys not to comment on the case further.'

by ProfessorPPlum 05.01.14 20:02

I think he's a complete jerk.

Stephen D Birch: 'Could 50,000 people please send me £1 each for a deal I've negotiated with Robert Murat and Correia da Manha to dig up Murat's driveway' - Page 2 Screen15

by Guest 05.01.14 20:09

Read more: http://www.mccannfiles.com/id413.html

by Guest 05.01.14 20:23

The Rooster wrote:Personally I quite admire Stephen Birch.

I wouldn't go that far but at least he only makes one easily falsifiable claim. To talk about him in the same breath as the likes of Shrimpton, well, that guy is an entirely different box of frogs altogether.

by Guest 05.01.14 20:41

More about Martin Van Wyk here - see the comments at the end about Stephen Birch.

http://truthformadeleine.com/2009/12/another-south-african-madeleine-finder-arrives-in-portugal/

Yes Clay, I'd certainly rather try to have a debate with SB than MS - the latter is one of those about whom my son would say with a shudder - "they walk amongst us" - meaning completely mad but living in the community.

by loopzdaloop 05.01.14 21:22

Woofer wrote:It doesn`t cost £50,000 to dig up a small patch of driveway.

Murat`s made enough money out of this case.

Actually, by Murat charging that amount of money it shows that he has nothing to hide and also shows up Birch.
I don't blame Murat in the slightest for charging him to do it. It has always been clear to me that Murat was just the patsy, so for all the grief that he has been put through by the Mccanns, he deserves some extra money. Moreover, by Birch paying him the money he also makes up for the hassle he has caused Murat.

by Swannie 05.01.14 21:24

tiny wrote:Another one who has lost the plot,who in their right mind would give money to birch

Add the names, 'Kate, Gerry and the Pink One' to the end of your sentence and I'll gladly donate £100!

by **Tony Bennett** 05.01.14 21:38

loopzdaloop wrote:
Woofer wrote:It doesn`t cost £50,000 to dig up a small patch of driveway.

Murat`s made enough money out of this case.
I don't blame Murat in the slightest for charging him to do it...for all the grief that he has been put through by the McCanns, he deserves some extra money.

Does he?

He netted £600 grand for his first libel action, more than both of the McCanns put together.

Then he got some more from his second libel action, another £100,000, it was suggested.

He told a pack of lies when first questioned by police, having to make 17 separate and significant changes to his first statement, when questioned a second time by the PJ two months later. Why would an innocent man do that? And that was only after checks by the PJ on pings from his mobile 'phone to the local antennae found out his lies. His excuse for his lies was that he was 'too tired' to remember the truth.

About a missing 3-year-old girl!

He tried to influence the direction of the initial investigation and was observed by a police inspector to be noseying into various documents - so much so that the inspector had to challenge him about his behaviour and indeed made a special report, noting his concerns, to investigation co-ordinator Dr Goncalo Amaral.

Moreover, he has told us absolutely nothing about what business he discussed with his lawyer, Cheshire businessman Brian Kennedy and his lawyer, senior Freemason Edward Smethurst, at the meeting they all had in Portugal on 13 November 2007.

I can't for the life of me see why you are so warmly disposed towards him, loopzdaloop

by IAmNotMerylStreep 05.01.14 21:50

Clay Regazzoni wrote:
The Rooster wrote:Personally I quite admire Stephen Birch.

I wouldn't go that far but at least he only makes one easily falsifiable claim. To talk about him in the same breath as the likes of Shrimpton, well, that guy is an entirely different box of frogs altogether.

Mad as a box of frogs, maybe, but this is his resume

Michael Shrimpton is a barrister, called to the Bar in 1983, and a specialist in National Security and Constitutional Law. He has wide ranging connections with Western Intelligence agencies and amongst ex-Soviet Bloc agencies. Michael has earned respect in the intelligence community for his analysis of previously unacknowledged post WWII covert operations against the West by the covert German DVD. He is an Emeritus Adjunct Professor of Intelligence Studies, Department of National Security, Intelligence and Space Studies, American Military University, where he taught intelligence subjects at Masters Degree level to inter alia serving intelligence officers. He has represented US and Israeli intelligence officers in law and has briefed staffers on the Senate select Committee on Intelligence and the Joint Congressional inquiry into 9-11, also addressing panels on terrorism in Washington DC and Los Angeles. His active assistance to Intelligence and Law Enforcement Agencies in the Global War on Terror has produced some notable success including the exposure of the Abu Graib “hood” photograph as a fake. His work in strategic intelligence has taken him to the Pentagon. He also met with senior advisors to the President of the Russian Federation in Moscow in November 2005. He participated in the Global Strategic Review conference in Geneva in 2005 and is a regular contributor at conferences such as Intelcon and the Intelligence Summit in Washington DC. He has been a member of Chatham House, RUSI, the International Institute for Strategic Studies and the Military Commentators Circle, which he has addressed. In November 2010 he took an 18 month sabbatical to write his major intelligence history of the DVD, Spyhunter, which is scheduled for publication in the United States in mid-November. He is a member of British Mensa. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Michael_Shrimpton

http://theshrimptonreport.blogspot.co.uk/

I don't know if this blog is legit, just found it on google.

by Guest 05.01.14 23:29

I don't believe for a minute that Stephen Birch has had any discussions with Robert Murat about digging up the latter's mother's garden.

by aiyoyo 06.01.14 0:37

Who knows ?

If we believe the body was moved multiple times, then looking at it from different angle, hypothetically speaking SB's theory may have a leg to stand on. Provided only if the body was moved there much later, post the police search, with the help of someone outside the group (and new driveway paved over the area) .

The cliche that the obvious place is often the safest may hold true.
More so, only if the alleged burial took place post police search.
The property having already been thoroughly swept over by Police dogs previously and nothing found could be regarded as super-safe. As it is generally believed a recurring search is highly unlikely. Not unless Police have suspicious ground for re-search.

Just a crazy passing thought even though I believe SB's theory is bunkum.

It's rather bizarre Murat did not threaten to sue him for spouting nonsense as the inference is bleeding obvious.

Stephen D Birch: 'Could 50,000 people please send me £1 each for a deal I've negotiated with Robert Murat and Correia da Manha to dig up Murat's driveway'