3 Prime Suspects Identified

MarcoG wrote:"3 years old." "3 minutes, 30 seconds, 30 minutes." "3rd may." "3 burglars."
Did these people copyright the number three as a brand name or something.

As any good statement analyst will tell you, three is the liars number  (Mark McClish)

The gruesome twosome and chums are proudly upholding this notion.

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Sorry,could not resist.

It occurs to me that these 3 burglars, may have been crap at finding loot, but they were pretty up on administering sedatives to toddlers, all three having survived whatever it was that was given to them. I would love to be a fly on the wall when they are questioned about that.

Cristobell wrote:It occurs to me that these 3 burglars, may have been crap at finding loot, but they were pretty up on administering sedatives to toddlers, all three having survived whatever it was that was given to them.  I would love to be a fly on the wall when they are questioned about that.

 They'll say "Kate forgives us, she said so"

Three burglars came like phantoms to 5A.
Why were they there? is difficult to say
Money, passports and valuables had no appeal
“We know”, a child would be a good thing to steal
 
In a flash they stole her away
Leaving no trace whatsoever of anyone’s DNA
No sign of a break-in, or even a sign of escape
The only finger prints on a window
Came from a Doctor called Kate
 
Our three burglars are the best in the world
But then they went and did something truly absurd
Meticulous planners, no one heard or saw a thing
But they spent hours standing there giving each other a ring
 
Why they were using their phones was a revelation to Redwood and his team
To most people its more like an episode of Mr Bean
 
It is revealed the burglars had forgotten to bring a getaway car
And without that Redwood knew they couldn’t get far
He knows they were phoning taxi firms for a cab to take them home
And he is chasing this lead like a dog with a bone
 
By the way, how did three burglars leave the odour of death in the flat?
It’s a tricky one to answer, how will he explain that?
But Redwood will look at absolutely everything apart from the Tapas 9
He is under the strictest of instructions never to solve this crime

the Daily Beast (whatever that is) is saying the burglars were CLEANERS

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maybe because they got clean away

"British police are reportedly honing in on a trio of cleaners who were burgling holiday villas in Praia da Luz, Portugal just weeks before Madeleine McCann disappeared in 2007"

"According to documents released by Scotland Yard, the trio of cleaners had been allegedly breaking into holiday villas in April 2007, a month before McCann disappeared"

really? I suppose it might explain why they were looking behind the sofa

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Don't know if it's already been mentioned but sky are saying the three burglars phones were 'red hot' in the 'minutes and hours after Maddie disappeared'.  'Minutes' is interesting, so SY have a very good idea of the actual time Maddie was taken?


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"British police investigating Madeleine McCann's disappearance are targeting three burglars whose phones were "red hot" after she went missing, Sky News has confirmed.

Metropolitan Police detectives want Portuguese investigators to interview the three men, who were in the area when the three-year-old disappeared.

Sky News Crime Correspondent Martin Brunt said mobile phone records show the men made numerous calls to each other in the hours after Madeleine vanished while on a family holiday in Praia da Luz in May 2007.

He said: "Scotland Yard detectives, among many other things they did as part of their review of the Portuguese case, have examined mobile phone traffic and what's emerged is that there was an extensive use of mobile phones by these three individuals in the minutes and hours after Madeleine disappeared.

"They were suspected of burgling one or more apartments in the block where Madeleine and her family were on holiday in the days before her disappearance.

"Madeleine went missing and within minutes the phones of these suspects were 'red hot' - they were talking to each other an awful lot.

"Investigators have no idea what they were saying to each other. There are no recordings of the phone conversations, but the activity was such that it's raised suspicions."

The Met Police confirmed that the Crown Prosecution Service has sent an International Letter of Request to ­Portuguese authorities on behalf of the Metropolitan Police.

The letter effectively requests that Portuguese police track down the three men and either arrest them or ask them to explain the mobile phone calls made on the night Madeleine disappeared.

They are thought to have been living in the Algarve in 2007, but it is not clear whether they are still in the area.

A spokesman for Madeleine's parents, Kate and Gerry McCann, told the Daily Mirror: "Whether the Portuguese will co-operate remains to be seen. It is a very sensitive issue with differences they have had.

"Police want to be given a chance to arrest key suspects. It doesn’t prove they have Madeleine but it will rule them in or out of the investigation and that is i­mportant.

The little girl vanished from this holiday apartment in May 2007
"Kate and Gerry don’t want to build up their hopes too high but they realise it could be a significant new lead."

Any arrests would be the first since Scotland Yard set up Operation Grange in 2011 to review Madeleine's disappearance.

It is claimed that days before the little girl vanished, the gang raided another holiday flat in the Algarve resort, disturbing a child.

The ­youngster's parents reportedly interrupted the burglars who fled.

Madeleine vanished from her holiday apartment while her parents were dining in a tapas bar 90 yards away.

Portuguese police reopened their investigation last year, more than three years after it was shelved.

It is running in parallel with the Scotland Yard inquiry but the Met Police commissioner has called for the two forces to work together as one team.

IMO the 3 burglars exist. Why?

Reports circulating globally (see fox news item) claim that SY have 'identified' them. As soon as that happened, the scope for them to be imaginary 'shadowy figures' is gone. In summary, to the larger public they exist and, day by day, in the alleged actions of their law agencies, a beautiful country like Portugal is being potentially seen as harbouring alleged child abductors and potential murderers (again see fox news item).

That is not sustainable.

If a 'patsy' was required, they clearly need to be dying or dead (Hewlett, Tractor man) - they do not fit the bill. By being 'identified', they will not go away, so, logically, I would say the following scenarios could apply and quickly:-

PJ interview them or allow SY to interview them and they are eliminated from enquiries
PJ interview them or allow SY to interview them and evidence suggests they abducted Madeleine as part of a botched burglary
PJ interview them or allow SY to interview them and the theory of discovering the body and fleeing develops (or seeing something that incriminates others)

Logically, I could only see 1 or 3 potentially applying.

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Just updating my original comment on Sunday to include 'or seeing something that incriminates others'.

Not seen today's headlines yet but still firmly in the 'believe it is means to an end'' camp. I hope.

RIPM wrote:Three burglars came like phantoms to 5A.
Why were they there? is difficult to say
Money, passports and valuables had no appeal
“We know”, a child would be a good thing to steal
 
In a flash they stole her away
Leaving no trace whatsoever of anyone’s DNA
No sign of a break-in, or even a sign of escape
The only finger prints on a window
Came from a Doctor called Kate
 
Our three burglars are the best in the world
But then they went and did something truly absurd
Meticulous planners, no one heard or saw a thing
But they spent hours standing there giving each other a ring
 
Why they were using their phones was a revelation to Redwood and his team
To most people its more like an episode of Mr Bean
 
It is revealed the burglars had forgotten to bring a getaway car
And without that Redwood knew they couldn’t get far
He knows they were phoning taxi firms for a cab to take them home
And he is chasing this lead like a dog with a bone
 
By the way, how did three burglars leave the odour of death in the flat?
It’s a tricky one to answer, how will he explain that?
But Redwood will look at absolutely everything apart from the Tapas 9
He is under the strictest of instructions never to solve this crime

  Excellent "RIPM"

They might well exist, but I doubt that SY will be given permission to interview them, it will be the Portuguese- speaking police conducting any interviews I would think.
  I doubt if anyone from the team has gone to Andy with the theory of the bungled burglary and they took a scared and vocal child, without the DCI having greeted this idea with anything other than a raised eyebrow. Witnesses imo not suspects in a child abduction.

 No signs of a break-in, no trace of 1 let alone 3 burglars. Plus the idea of burglars taking a child in panic is not plausible , so possibly people with local knowledge, or who lurking in the shadows might have been unseen but have seen something or someone interesting.

 As for the hot phones, normal if you suddenly see your quiet patch turn into a hive of activity and you need to be getting the hell out of there.

   eta  :  RE  : CRIMEWATCH, REDWOOD AND THE BURGLARIES...AFTER ABOUT THE 25 MINUTE POINT IN THE VIDEO :

1. HE MENTIONS ALONGSIDE THE " ONE READING IS THAT IT HAD ALL THE HALLMARKS OF A PRE-PLANNED ABDUCTION "...THE SCENARIO THAT MADELEINE MIGHT HAVE DISTURBED BURGLARS. THAT IS ALL HE SAYS, NO MENTION OF HAVING BEEN TAKEN BY THEM IN A PANIC. SO WHO KNOWS WHAT HE THINKS MIGHT HAVE HAPPENED AFTER THAT DISTURBANCE. ARE THERE ANY ALTERNATIVES TO ACCOUNT FOR HER VANISHING? LEFT BEHIND SCARED, NOISE DID NOT ALERT PARENTS, WOKE, WANDERED AND HURT? THEN WHERE IS SHE AND WHY NOT FOUND?  WHY DID REDWOOD NOT SAY EXPLICITLY AFTER THE WORDS COMMITTING A BURGLARY,THAT THIS ACCOUNTS FOR HER VANISHING....THEY TOOK HER IN A PANIC ?

 BECAUSE IMO HE CAN'T REASONABLY EXPLAIN WHY SHE WAS A THREAT.........HOW COULD A CHILD OF HER AGE POSSIBLY HAVE DESCRIBED THEM OTHER THAN GIVE A NUMBER AT MOST OF HOW MANY SHE SAW?

 2.  THE MORE SIGNIFICANT PART FOR ME WAS THE OVERVIEW LATER ON WITH KIRSTY YOUNG. SHE MENTIONS BOTH THE CHARITY COLLECTORS AND THE BURGLARIES IN THE AREA. REDWOOD SHOWS E FITS AND GIVES A TIMELINE OF THE CHARITY WORKERS AFTER WHICH HE IS THANKED BY MS YOUNG AND THE BURGLARS ARE NOT MENTIONED AGAIN.

 SO ALL WE HAVE FROM SY IS THE MENTION THAT BETWEEN JAN-APRIL 07 THERE WAS A FOUR-FOLD INCREASE IN BURGLARIES AND WINDOW ACCESS WAS REPORTED TO HAVE BEEN PART OF ONE. THEN MADDIE MIGHT HAVE DISTURBED BURGLARS. THEN NOTHING.

3. MORE TIME GIVEN TO THE FAIR -HAIRED MEN HANGING AROUND A NEARBY APARTMENT. SOME PICTURED IN SWIMWEAR.

 MY BRAIN HURTS.

In 6+ years, I have never heard about a break in at Warners resort where a child was disturbed. This supposedly occurred a few days before Madeleine was 'taken'. Does anyone else know about this attempted burglary?

Cristobell wrote:In 6+ years, I have never heard about a break in at Warners resort where a child was disturbed.  This supposedly occurred a few days before Madeleine was 'taken'.  Does anyone else know about this attempted burglary?  

Could be referring to the "dry run" in 5A?

Euclides Monteiro's name has already been brought into this story as a small time robber and phone dealer. What if he later supplied phones to somebody else?

Clay Regazzoni wrote:

Cristobell wrote:In 6+ years, I have never heard about a break in at Warners resort where a child was disturbed.  This supposedly occurred a few days before Madeleine was 'taken'.  Does anyone else know about this attempted burglary?  

Could be referring to the "dry run" in 5A?

Euclides Monteiro's name has already been brought into this story as a small time robber and phone dealer. What if he later supplied phones to somebody else?

I don't think it was Kate's purported 'dry run' Clay, but a separate incident altogether. It is 'new' detail that has emerged in the same way as Crecheman. Kate does not mention it in her book, and it would have been significant as it supposedly occurred at the PDL Warner resort only a few days before Madeleine disappeared.

I don't recall this incident in the police files though I am happy to be corrected if anyone else can shed some light on.

Cristobell wrote:

Clay Regazzoni wrote:

Cristobell wrote:In 6+ years, I have never heard about a break in at Warners resort where a child was disturbed.  This supposedly occurred a few days before Madeleine was 'taken'.  Does anyone else know about this attempted burglary?  

Could be referring to the "dry run" in 5A?

Euclides Monteiro's name has already been brought into this story as a small time robber and phone dealer. What if he later supplied phones to somebody else?

I don't think it was Kate's purported 'dry run' Clay, but a separate incident altogether.  It is 'new' detail that has emerged in the same way as Crecheman.  Kate does not mention it in her book, and it would have been significant as it supposedly occurred at the PDL Warner resort only a few days before Madeleine disappeared.  

I don't recall this incident in the police files though I am happy to be corrected if anyone else can shed some light on.

So far this is the only one I've read from Mrs Pamala Fenn

When questioned she said that she never saw any strange person or action before or after the event. She claims however, that a week previously she was the victim of an attempted robbery, which was not successful and neither was anything taken, thinking that the crying of the child could be linked to another attempted robbery in the residence

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Previous break-ins and a family disturbed one year earlier, according to Redwood, well according to the BBC.  

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Two incidents had occurred in the McCanns' block - one attempted burglary and one actual burglary - in the 17 days before Madeleine went missing, he said.
There had also been an intruder in a property within the holiday complex where a British family with two children were staying the year before, he added.

Clay Regazzoni wrote:

Cristobell wrote:In 6+ years, I have never heard about a break in at Warners resort where a child was disturbed.  This supposedly occurred a few days before Madeleine was 'taken'.  Does anyone else know about this attempted burglary?  

Could be referring to the "dry run" in 5A?

Euclides Monteiro's name has already been brought into this story as a small time robber and phone dealer. What if he later supplied phones to somebody else?

I was wondering if perhaps these ne'er do wells possibly sold their phones on which is quite common 
Perhaps one month after the initial robbery attempt the phones were in different hands

noddy100 wrote:

Clay Regazzoni wrote:

Cristobell wrote:In 6+ years, I have never heard about a break in at Warners resort where a child was disturbed.  This supposedly occurred a few days before Madeleine was 'taken'.  Does anyone else know about this attempted burglary?  

Could be referring to the "dry run" in 5A?

Euclides Monteiro's name has already been brought into this story as a small time robber and phone dealer. What if he later supplied phones to somebody else?

I was wondering if perhaps these ne'er do wells possibly sold their phones on which is quite common 
Perhaps one month after the initial robbery attempt the phones were in different hands

I'd love to know if Monteiro and Murat were known to each other.

From a contact in Portugal I learned the following:
"Fabrication of SkyNews, where Kate's girlfriend works.
This just came on the radio that Scotland Yard is not busy with three guys here despite the messages that circulate about."

Bebootje wrote:From a contact in Portugal I learned the following:
"Fabrication of SkyNews, where Kate's girlfriend works.
This just came on the radio that Scotland Yard is not busy with three guys here despite the messages that circulate about."

That's interesting - which girlfriend might that be?

tigger wrote:

Bebootje wrote:From a contact in Portugal I learned the following:
"Fabrication of SkyNews, where Kate's girlfriend works.
This just came on the radio that Scotland Yard is not busy with three guys here despite the messages that circulate about."

That's interesting - which girlfriend might that be?

Interesting.
Radio in Portugal?

"went missing and within minutes the phones of these suspects were 'red hot' - they were talking to each other an awful lot."
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I heard Cameron burnt this hand when handling his phone the day 'second chance' Andy Coulson and 'police horse riding pal' Becca were charged by the CPS!

The underlings in Downing Street couldn't cool down the 'red hot' phone when Murdoch called Cameron about the alleged charges against his 'country supper' pals.

I heard 'they' were talking to each other an awful lot!

NickE wrote:

tigger wrote:

Bebootje wrote:From a contact in Portugal I learned the following:
"Fabrication of SkyNews, where Kate's girlfriend works.
This just came on the radio that Scotland Yard is not busy with three guys here despite the messages that circulate about."

That's interesting - which girlfriend might that be?

Interesting.
Radio in Portugal?

Yes

@Tigger, Don't know the name of Kate's contact at Sky. But it is no secret that the McCanns had a friend there at there at the time Madeleine vanished.

Bebootje wrote:@Tigger, Don't know the name of Kate's contact at Sky. But it is no secret that the McCanns had a friend there at there at the time Madeleine vanished.

Martin brunt perhaps

tiny wrote:
Martin brunt perhaps

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Kate's girlfriend ...?

Châtelaine wrote:

tiny wrote:
Martin brunt perhaps

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Kate's girlfriend ...?

confusion is good[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]do we know martin hasn't had a sex change

Châtelaine wrote:

tiny wrote:
Martin brunt perhaps

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Kate's girlfriend ...?

  

I know the mere mention of the word 'burglars' is infuriating to a lost of posters on here and no matter what they are not 'buying it', but please bear with me on this...

In the scenario that reports are true and SY are looking into the possibility that burglars are involved (the lack of specific comment on the matter would still lend me to believe that to be true) and on the basis that they believe Smithman to be carrying Madeleine (I think it would be reasonable to think that), then surely by simple logic, SY cannot come to the conclusion that one of the 'burglars' and Smithman are one and the same person, or even associated with each other?

Foreby that burglars do not generally 'abduct' children, as pointed out by many, they will almost certainly have means of transport. I know their competency and track record has been ridiculed here, but, if they exist, that would be laughable.

Therefore, on the basis that Smithman is their prime suspect (whoever that may be....), it surely lends further credence that this strategy could be means to an end leading to the true culprits.

Apologies if this has already been put forward...

Bobby18 wrote:
"...In the scenario that reports are true and SY are looking into the possibility that burglars are involved (the lack of specific comment on the matter would still lend me to believe that to be true)..."
But they didn't comment on Tractorman either, so by your logic you must believe that to be true also.