Re: 3 Prime Suspects Identified

by ultimaThule 19.01.14 3:29

From PeterMac's explanation of the rigorous manner in which the respective Colleges of Abduction and Burglary maintain strict division between their two professions, I suspect serious umbrage has been taken at the tales circulating in the media which have defamed current students, graduates, and old ~~lags~~ masters alike, sonic.

It could be that any delay has been caused by the 3 burglars being in the process of instructing solicitors to issue writs for libel against whoever is responsible for giving these stories to the press.

If I was a burglar I'd want to clear my name and reputation ~~and collect a pile of dosh by way of damages~~ so that there could no doubt about my professional integrity before meeting with any one who might suggest otherwise. yes

by **tigger** 19.01.14 6:21

jeanmonroe wrote:
PeterMac wrote:
jeanmonroe wrote:
The careers 'advisor' at my old school says, strangely, that 'professional child abductor' is not listed as 'a future career choice/path'!
You have to be an Associate of the Royal Imperial College of Abductors to call yourself "professional". ARICA
With Fellowship and full Membership - FRICA and MRICA following after suitable practical experience under proper supervision by a pupil master, and the carrying out of at least five successful abductions.
There is a similar but in some ways a rival College, the Royal Imperial College of Burglars which is allowed by Charter to admit people to their ranks. Thus ARICB, FRICB and MRICB

In the same way that Solicitors may not be members of the English Bar, and vice versa, it is not possible for one person to be affiliated to both Colleges at the same time,
and indeed the professional code strictly forbids Burglars from Abducting, or Abductors from taking valuables.
Only in this way are professional standards maintained.
It is however permissible, as in the law, for a Burglar and an Abductor to act together, provided that their respective roles are clearly understood.
I hope this makes things clear.

So, professional Burglars are not allowed, under their code of ethics, to abduct children, and professional Abductors, under their code of ethics, are not allowed to steal, watches, passports, cameras, money, jewellery or indeed anything 'of value', in fact.

Phew, glad that's been made clear, otherwise you'd might have a case of Burglars doing an abductors 'job' and 'abducting' sleeping children from their beds.

And that just wouldn't do, would it?

I think you'd like the city of Ankh Morpork where the patrician ruling the city has instituted guilds such as:
The Assassins guild
The thieves guild
The beggar's guild
The clown's guild
Etc.

The respective guilds are allowed a set number of crimes per year. The head of the guild is severely punished if e.g. the quota is exceeded. So many murders a year, not more than 5000 dollars robbed p.a. Etc.
Leading to muggers giving back money to the victim if the victim is carrying more than the thieves' personal quota.

The patrician, Lord Vetinary also believes in 'one man - one vote'. He is that man.... big grin

by bobbin 19.01.14 9:08

jeanmonroe wrote:this 'expert'.. http://news.sky.com/story/1196614/missing-mikaeel-could-not-have-left-alone

Whoever heard of a professional child abductor!
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The careers 'advisor' at my old school says, strangely, that 'professional child abductor' is not listed as 'a future career choice/path'!

Well i never!

Your careers adviser must have told you this before May 3rd, 2007. He needs to keep up to date.

It is in fact one of the easiest and MOST PROFITABLE career paths to follow.

Just dye your ginger hair dark brown, catch yourself a blonde Moll, adopt a harsh glaswegian accent and GO for it.

Nothing will stop you, no one will reprimand you, ALL will be in awe of you and praise you for your amassed fortune.

There will be riots in the street if a single hair on your head is touched by anyone from the world's news-media making an adverse comment against your unquestionned acts and unquestionable skills.

It's got to be a better career than the ten year training programme to become a 'mere scrubber of mouths after dirty lies have been told'. sarcastic

by Jemmied_Shatter 19.01.14 9:49

bobbin wrote:
jeanmonroe wrote:this 'expert'.. http://news.sky.com/story/1196614/missing-mikaeel-could-not-have-left-alone

Whoever heard of a professional child abductor!
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The careers 'advisor' at my old school says, strangely, that 'professional child abductor' is not listed as 'a future career choice/path'!

Well i never!

Your careers adviser must have told you this before May 3rd, 2007. He needs to keep up to date.

It is in fact one of the easiest and MOST PROFITABLE career paths to follow.

Just dye your ginger hair dark brown, catch yourself a blonde Moll, adopt a harsh glaswegian accent and GO for it.

According to the daily hate mail this is how many of them see the first rung on the [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
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Nothing will stop you, no one will reprimand you, ALL will be in awe of you and praise you for your amassed fortune.

There will be riots in the street if a single hair on your head is touched by anyone from the world's news-media making an adverse comment against your unquestionned acts and unquestionable skills.

It's got to be a better career than the ten year training programme to become a 'mere scrubber of mouths after dirty lies have been told'.

by russiandoll 19.01.14 9:53

wonder if there was a burglar in 5a, whilst rooting around for valuables, one came across a sight which shocked him, he ran out of there and there was frantic contact between him and his accomplices, busy nearby, to ask what the hell he should do following his discovery and the answer was do nothing?
e.g. he had opened a wardrobe door ?

just suggesting a scenario which might fit in a burglar and a body.

by mysterion 19.01.14 10:41

I`m pretty sure such things have happened in the past. The sight of a body has sent burglars fleeing the premises because, quite wisely, they don`t want the association. Or maybe I`ve seen too many crime dramas.

by notlongnow 19.01.14 10:55

The only way i could see burglars being involved is the same as tractorman.
Someone with local knowledge of petty criminals paid them to move a body.

by Hongkong Phooey 19.01.14 11:27

mysterion wrote:I`m pretty sure such things have happened in the past. The sight of a body has sent burglars fleeing the premises because, quite wisely, they don`t want the association. Or maybe I`ve seen too many crime dramas.

There's little evidence of any 'fleeing the scene', doors closed etc.

by **PeterMac** 19.01.14 11:30

Hongkong Phooey wrote:
There's little evidence of any 'fleeing the scene', doors closed etc.

And even less of "Entering the scene" !!

by Guest 19.01.14 12:50

PeterMac wrote:
Hongkong Phooey wrote:
There's little evidence of any 'fleeing the scene', doors closed etc.
And even less of "Entering the scene" !!

Or handling Cuddle Cat@ a/o putting on Kate's pants

by Research_Reader 19.01.14 12:59

Its amazing really that Kate and Gerry were even able to push past all the assembled crowds of gypsies, burglars, dodgy-tractor-drivers, cleaners and assorted suspicious swarthy Mediterranean-types milling around outside their apartment door.

by Guest 19.01.14 13:07

Research_Reader wrote:Its amazing really that Kate and Gerry were even able to push past all the assembled crowds of gypsies, burglars, dodgy-tractor-drivers, cleaners and assorted suspicious swarthy Mediterranean-types milling around outside their apartment door.

chased by wild dogs, and even blooded by them to booth

by mysterion 19.01.14 13:18

Well GM did say he wasn`t there for fun.

by Jemmied_Shatter 19.01.14 16:03

This is becoming a bit of a bad joke. I believe that if there were any suspects of interest then they are also wanted for other crimes.
AR Right team of detectives. Here's everything we have outstanding in Portugal, The PM has given us a special budget to find the McCanns daughter lets turn our attention to the rest first because all of us know that the abduction line is tosh and we are never going to get the truth out of anybody in this country. Just give me a few titbits to throw to the press or crimewatch.

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by aiyoyo 19.01.14 16:17

tigger wrote:
jeanmonroe wrote:
PeterMac wrote:
jeanmonroe wrote:
The careers 'advisor' at my old school says, strangely, that 'professional child abductor' is not listed as 'a future career choice/path'!
You have to be an Associate of the Royal Imperial College of Abductors to call yourself "professional". ARICA
With Fellowship and full Membership - FRICA and MRICA following after suitable practical experience under proper supervision by a pupil master, and the carrying out of at least five successful abductions.
There is a similar but in some ways a rival College, the Royal Imperial College of Burglars which is allowed by Charter to admit people to their ranks. Thus ARICB, FRICB and MRICB

In the same way that Solicitors may not be members of the English Bar, and vice versa, it is not possible for one person to be affiliated to both Colleges at the same time,
and indeed the professional code strictly forbids Burglars from Abducting, or Abductors from taking valuables.
Only in this way are professional standards maintained.
It is however permissible, as in the law, for a Burglar and an Abductor to act together, provided that their respective roles are clearly understood.
I hope this makes things clear.

So, professional Burglars are not allowed, under their code of ethics, to abduct children, and professional Abductors, under their code of ethics, are not allowed to steal, watches, passports, cameras, money, jewellery or indeed anything 'of value', in fact.

Phew, glad that's been made clear, otherwise you'd might have a case of Burglars doing an abductors 'job' and 'abducting' sleeping children from their beds.

And that just wouldn't do, would it?

I think you'd like the city of Ankh Morpork where the patrician ruling the city has instituted guilds such as:
The Assassins guild
The thieves guild
The beggar's guild
The clown's guild
Etc.

The respective guilds are allowed a set number of crimes per year. The head of the guild is severely punished if e.g. the quota is exceeded. So many murders a year, not more than 5000 dollars robbed p.a. Etc.
Leading to muggers giving back money to the victim if the victim is carrying more than the thieves' personal quota.

The patrician, Lord Vetinary also believes in 'one man - one vote'. He is that man....

It would be interesting to look at members list and members rank of "The McLiars Guild"

Kate Mccann - Guild Master
Gerry Mccann - Grand Council
Jane Tanner - Affiliate
David Payne - Champion
Russell O'Brien - Officer
Matthew Oldfield - Raider
Fiona Payne - Deputy
Rachel Oldfield - Probation
Diane Webster - New Recruit
Clarence Mitchell - Chairman
?
?
?
?

by watendlath 20.01.14 6:19

mysterion wrote:I`m pretty sure such things have happened in the past. The sight of a body has sent burglars fleeing the premises because, quite wisely, they don`t want the association. Or maybe I`ve seen too many crime dramas.

If Redwood really is pursuing this burglar thing then it's he who has been watching too many crime dramas.

He should get down to some proper detective work...some homework on cadaver dogs would be a good place to start.

by Mirage 20.01.14 12:30

watendlath wrote:
mysterion wrote:I`m pretty sure such things have happened in the past. The sight of a body has sent burglars fleeing the premises because, quite wisely, they don`t want the association. Or maybe I`ve seen too many crime dramas.

If Redwood really is pursuing this burglar thing then it's he who has been watching too many crime dramas.

He should get down to some proper detective work...some homework on cadaver dogs would be a good place to start.

And what better place to start than Edinburgh where the police are doing a textbook job? They sent a Springer Spaniel in yesterday. I don't imagine it was there for the good of its health.

The big question is: why is a sniffer dog used in Edinburgh; yet in London, the findings of the sniffer dogs in PdL remain hidden under a pile of unreconstructed piffle about three burglars. Also, why the big build up to a "revelatory moment" on CW with unprecedented trailers and then, tah-dah......... a big fat nothing? I have never known any investigating police force to ramp up public expectation to these levels, let alone disappear off the radar after a major appeal. Factor in the failure to order the Mcs to remove the eliminated Tannerman from their website (remember, they are currently suing GA for 1.2 million euros for hindering the search) and what can anyone say but this is truly astonishing stuff. Meanwhile the public is paying for this to the tune of millions while the Mcs continue begging the public for money. What's going on?

by bobbin 20.01.14 12:49

Mirage wrote:
watendlath wrote:
mysterion wrote:I`m pretty sure such things have happened in the past. The sight of a body has sent burglars fleeing the premises because, quite wisely, they don`t want the association. Or maybe I`ve seen too many crime dramas.

If Redwood really is pursuing this burglar thing then it's he who has been watching too many crime dramas.

He should get down to some proper detective work...some homework on cadaver dogs would be a good place to start.

And what better place to start than Edinburgh where the police are doing a textbook job? They sent a Springer Spaniel in yesterday. I don't imagine it was there for the good of its health.

The big question is: why is a sniffer dog used in Edinburgh; yet in London, the findings of the sniffer dogs in PdL remain hidden under a pile of unreconstructed piffle about three burglars. Also, why the big build up to a "revelatory moment" on CW with unprecedented trailers and then, tah-dah......... a big fat nothing? I have never known any investigating police force to ramp up public expectation to these levels, let alone disappear off the radar after a major appeal. Factor in the failure to order the Mcs to remove the eliminated Tannerman from their website (remember, they are currently suing GA for 1.2 million euros for hindering the search) and what can anyone say but this is truly astonishing stuff. Meanwhile the public is paying for this to the tune of millions while the Mcs continue begging the public for money. What's going on?

That's the essential ingredient in this porky pie.
'IF' the McCs remove the fictitious spannerman, then their case against Gonçalo Amaral, has NO base.
It is critical to their claim that an abduction occurred and that the PJ etc. have wrongly implied that M is dead, and hence the failure to search and the following PAIN and AGONY of losing their cash cow fund.
No, until the libel case is over, the McCs have to hang on to this tooth and nail, till grim death do them part (with spannerman's image).

by Liz Eagles 20.01.14 12:50

Mirage wrote:
watendlath wrote:
mysterion wrote:I`m pretty sure such things have happened in the past. The sight of a body has sent burglars fleeing the premises because, quite wisely, they don`t want the association. Or maybe I`ve seen too many crime dramas.

If Redwood really is pursuing this burglar thing then it's he who has been watching too many crime dramas.

He should get down to some proper detective work...some homework on cadaver dogs would be a good place to start.

And what better place to start than Edinburgh where the police are doing a textbook job? They sent a Springer Spaniel in yesterday. I don't imagine it was there for the good of its health.

The big question is: why is a sniffer dog used in Edinburgh; yet in London, the findings of the sniffer dogs in PdL remain hidden under a pile of unreconstructed piffle about three burglars. Also, why the big build up to a "revelatory moment" on CW with unprecedented trailers and then, tah-dah......... a big fat nothing? I have never known any investigating police force to ramp up public expectation to these levels, let alone disappear off the radar after a major appeal. Factor in the failure to order the Mcs to remove the eliminated Tannerman from their website (remember, they are currently suing GA for 1.2 million euros for hindering the search) and what can anyone say but this is truly astonishing stuff. Meanwhile the public is paying for this to the tune of millions while the Mcs continue begging the public for money. What's going on?

Perhaps Scotland Yard have run out of springer spaniels and are favouring an Old English sheepdog whose area of expertise lies in the medium of paint.

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by Mirage 20.01.14 12:57

aquila wrote:
Mirage wrote:
watendlath wrote:
mysterion wrote:I`m pretty sure such things have happened in the past. The sight of a body has sent burglars fleeing the premises because, quite wisely, they don`t want the association. Or maybe I`ve seen too many crime dramas.

If Redwood really is pursuing this burglar thing then it's he who has been watching too many crime dramas.

He should get down to some proper detective work...some homework on cadaver dogs would be a good place to start.

And what better place to start than Edinburgh where the police are doing a textbook job? They sent a Springer Spaniel in yesterday. I don't imagine it was there for the good of its health.

The big question is: why is a sniffer dog used in Edinburgh; yet in London, the findings of the sniffer dogs in PdL remain hidden under a pile of unreconstructed piffle about three burglars. Also, why the big build up to a "revelatory moment" on CW with unprecedented trailers and then, tah-dah......... a big fat nothing? I have never known any investigating police force to ramp up public expectation to these levels, let alone disappear off the radar after a major appeal. Factor in the failure to order the Mcs to remove the eliminated Tannerman from their website (remember, they are currently suing GA for 1.2 million euros for hindering the search) and what can anyone say but this is truly astonishing stuff. Meanwhile the public is paying for this to the tune of millions while the Mcs continue begging the public for money. What's going on?
Perhaps Scotland Yard have run out of springer spaniels and are favouring an Old English sheepdog whose area of expertise lies in the medium of paint.

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by bobbin 20.01.14 13:15

Mirage wrote:
aquila wrote:
Mirage wrote:
watendlath wrote:
mysterion wrote:I`m pretty sure such things have happened in the past. The sight of a body has sent burglars fleeing the premises because, quite wisely, they don`t want the association. Or maybe I`ve seen too many crime dramas.

If Redwood really is pursuing this burglar thing then it's he who has been watching too many crime dramas.

He should get down to some proper detective work...some homework on cadaver dogs would be a good place to start.

And what better place to start than Edinburgh where the police are doing a textbook job? They sent a Springer Spaniel in yesterday. I don't imagine it was there for the good of its health.

The big question is: why is a sniffer dog used in Edinburgh; yet in London, the findings of the sniffer dogs in PdL remain hidden under a pile of unreconstructed piffle about three burglars. Also, why the big build up to a "revelatory moment" on CW with unprecedented trailers and then, tah-dah......... a big fat nothing? I have never known any investigating police force to ramp up public expectation to these levels, let alone disappear off the radar after a major appeal. Factor in the failure to order the Mcs to remove the eliminated Tannerman from their website (remember, they are currently suing GA for 1.2 million euros for hindering the search) and what can anyone say but this is truly astonishing stuff. Meanwhile the public is paying for this to the tune of millions while the Mcs continue begging the public for money. What's going on?
Perhaps Scotland Yard have run out of springer spaniels and are favouring an Old English sheepdog whose area of expertise lies in the medium of paint.

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That fringe makes me think of 'pinkie'.
It's not him in disguise is it, now officially in charge off the whitewash which he has been touting for the last almost 7 years ?

by NickE 20.01.14 14:06

"Claims were made that bugged phone calls between the McCanns and their friends have convinced police their daughter is dead."
Daily mail 2007.

Is this in the PJ files?

by Guest 20.01.14 14:39

aquila wrote:
Perhaps Scotland Yard have run out of springer spaniels and are favouring an Old English sheepdog whose area of expertise lies in the medium of paint.

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Aquila, that's fantastic.

by ultimaThule 20.01.14 16:35

Mirage wrote:
watendlath wrote:
mysterion wrote:I`m pretty sure such things have happened in the past. The sight of a body has sent burglars fleeing the premises because, quite wisely, they don`t want the association. Or maybe I`ve seen too many crime dramas.

If Redwood really is pursuing this burglar thing then it's he who has been watching too many crime dramas.

He should get down to some proper detective work...some homework on cadaver dogs would be a good place to start.

And what better place to start than Edinburgh where the police are doing a textbook job? They sent a Springer Spaniel in yesterday. I don't imagine it was there for the good of its health.

The big question is: why is a sniffer dog used in Edinburgh; yet in London, the findings of the sniffer dogs in PdL remain hidden under a pile of unreconstructed piffle about three burglars. Also, why the big build up to a "revelatory moment" on CW with unprecedented trailers and then, tah-dah......... a big fat nothing? I have never known any investigating police force to ramp up public expectation to these levels, let alone disappear off the radar after a major appeal. Factor in the failure to order the Mcs to remove the eliminated Tannerman from their website (remember, they are currently suing GA for 1.2 million euros for hindering the search) and what can anyone say but this is truly astonishing stuff. Meanwhile the public is paying for this to the tune of millions while the Mcs continue begging the public for money. What's going on?

Truly astonishing stuff indeed, Mirage. I sometimes find the whole McCann saga surreal - I have to pinch myself to remember that I'm not dreaming it and it isn't a work of fiction I read sometime, somewhere.

It will be interesting to see whether any court proceedings in the Kular case make reference to the use of specially trained dogs and their findings as the work these amazing canines do is generally unacknowledged by the judicial process of England/Wales.

As for 'what's going on', it seems to me the McCanns' worst nightmares are on the brink of coming true.

by mysterion 20.01.14 16:53

Work of fiction - It would never be published because it lacks plausibility.

by **sharonl** 20.01.14 22:28

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Police are searching for three men in Portugal in connection with the disappearance of U.K. girl Madeleine “Maddy” McCann, who vanished nearly seven years ago.
U.K. police last week were on their way to question three men who may know something about McCann, a British toddler who disappeared during a family vacation at a Portuguese resort in 2007.
McCann’s case was reopened in 2011, and officials are trying to follow new leads to find the girl, who if still alive, would be 10 years old.
Police are to question three burglars who raided locations in coastal town of Praia da Luz, said the Daily Mirror.
The Crown Prosecution Service said it sent an International Letter of Request to Portuguese officials to arrest the three.
“The letter is a significant development. It is necessary for British police to request the Portuguese authorities allow them to operate on their turf,” a spokesperson for Madeleine’s parents Kate and Gerry told the [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]. “It means they have the intention of arresting and interviewing X, Y or Z. We don’t know who they have their sights on but it’s likely it is the burglars.”
The spokesperson added: “Whether the Portuguese will cooperate remains to be seen. It is a very sensitive issue with differences they have had. Police want to be given a chance to arrest key suspects. It doesn’t prove they have Madeleine but it will rule them in or out of the investigation and that is important.”
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Last year, Portuguese police reopened their investigation into the case.
The Portugal case is running separate from the U.K. investigation, but British officials want the two teams to work together.

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by **Hobs** 20.01.14 23:00

I have to ask, since kate claims she was attacked by a dog, did it bite her and if so did it break the skin?

If so did she have raabies vaccinations?

If she didn't why not

if she did why no mention in her book?

Is the alleged attack by dog(s) obviously attracted by her new pink sneakers an explanation as to why blood might be found on the sneaker, an item of clothing or elsewhere in the apartment or hire car?

Remember the pink princess said there was an expalanation for anything found or not found.

by ultimaThule 20.01.14 23:10

Point well made, Hobs, but I suspect 'twas more likely Kate that bit the dog, or killed it with a kick from her new pink sneaker clad foot, which resulted in unsightly and inconvenient microscopic blood spatter on a pair of running shoes and clothing she has most probably long since discarded.

by Jemmied_Shatter 21.01.14 7:16

mysterion wrote:Work of fiction - It would never be published because it lacks plausibility.

Well they did publish KMs bewk of nonsensical fiction. In it I believe they libeled Clement Freud by referring to him joking about the dogs reactions. One bark for yes and two barks for no IMMMSMC. I met the man many years ago, a very astute quick thinker was my impression, not easily taken in IMHO. Sadly he is no longer able to comment so we have to believe the KM version of events.
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by Woofer 21.01.14 10:46

It would be good to have a thread purely for "things the Mcs want known, and why". For example :-

1. Madeleine asked on the Thursday morning `why didn`t you come when Sean and I were crying`

2. Sean eating sea bass

3. Kate bitten by dog

4. The tea stain on Madeleine`s pyjamas