Re: 3 Prime Suspects Identified

by Praia 06.01.14 13:38

Beijos is right about the drama it takes about getting mobiles here, it is certainly easier if you are known in the shop.

Re their "links" to the area, Gardeur has gone, only saw empty shop late last year but rarely down that street so dont know when it closed. Look no further as to where Ms Healy got her bright, new outfits from as that long, hot Summer went on.

Don't want to point out individuals in the link above but the golfing link and the location of one of the courses mentioned is very interesting re the Budens triangle many of us feel holds the elusive key.

by magrat70 06.01.14 13:40

Guilty ones?

Enough of this tabloid jackanory, tomorrow they get their backsides kicked and our favourite Portuguese cop gets some vindication

by NickE 06.01.14 20:38

CASES FROM THE LAST TWO MONTHS
THEFTS 2007 March-May

MARCH
NUIPC 370/07.0 PAPTM
Location – Theft in restaurant – Praia do Vau
Date: 01-03-2007
Result of theft: 150 Euros in cash.

NUIPC 83/07.2 GCPTM
Place – Theft in restaurant – Praia da Alvor
Date: 03/-03-2007
Result of theft: 150 Euros in cash

NUIPC 85/07.9 GCPTM
Place: Theft of a suitcase in Praia da Alvor
Nationality of victim – Swiss citizen
Date: 04-03-2007

NUIPC 5/070. MAPTM
Location: Theft in restaurant – Praia da Rocha
Date: 09-03-2007
Result of theft: material damage and theft of foodstuffs

NUIPC 469/07.2 PAPTM
Location: Theft of rucksack on the Alemao-Portimao beach
Date: 15-03-2007
Result of theft: theft of documents and mobile phone

APRIL

NUIPC 178/07.2 GOPTM
Location: Theft on vessel – Ria de Alvor
Date: 30-04-2007
Result of theft: theft of GPS and radar

Is this SY's burglars?

MAY

NUIPC 8/07.5 MAPTM
Location: Theft on beach – Praia do Vau
Date: 08-05-2007
Result of theft: theft of clothing, glasses, etc.

by Guest 06.01.14 23:47

This just posted on twitter..........

Sue in Wales ‏@auldcrip 5m
Reports: Police Know Who Kidnapped Madeleine McCann, Can’t Arrest Them [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] … via @foxnewsinsider #McCann

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Reports: Police Know Who Kidnapped Madeleine McCann, Can’t Arrest Them

By FoxNewsInsider @FoxNewsInsider

U.K. police say they know who kidnapped Madeleine McCann in Portugal back in 2007, but they can’t reveal their identities, according to reports

by Guest 06.01.14 23:49

my head is literally spinning in the last few minutes.

by sallypelt 06.01.14 23:50

Bellisa wrote:my head is literally spinning in the last few minutes.

It's Fox News, and they went to court a few years ago, to get clearance to tell lies. So, I wouldn't read too much into a Fox News article. By their own admission, they are for entertainment not serious news.

by Guest 06.01.14 23:53

Oh yeah sallypelt thanks for that.
its just reading that and rumour of libel trial its got my mind racing.

by sallypelt 06.01.14 23:56

Bellisa wrote:Oh yeah sallypelt thanks for that.
its just reading that and rumour of libel trial its got my mind racing.

Bellisa, this may make you feel better Mrs

Portugal has declared three days of national mourning for the footballer

by Guest 07.01.14 0:01

Yes I seen your other post thank you.
Was thinking another long night ahead!

You know who is going to be raging!

by Guest 07.01.14 0:13

Don't worry Bellisa, looks like it's the three burglars on Fox as well.

by Guest 07.01.14 1:33

yes daffodil looks like they're not dropping that one too quickly!

by worriedmum 07.01.14 12:35

Since WHEN has it been police procedure to notify miscreants through the press that they have been sussed and therefore give them time to dispose of any evidence before they disappear off, unpursued , because it has also been helpfully pointed out to them that the police have no jurisdiction to arrest them?

TRIPE

by Guest 07.01.14 19:55

Don't know if this has been posted........

Sunday, January 5, 2014

Look! It''s a Sex Ring,,, no, It's Gypsies, no.... It's Burglars!

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by Lance De Boils 07.01.14 21:49

Fox News:

by marconi 08.01.14 7:46

I wonder how far the destruction and distortion of the twins lives have gone. How very irresponsible their parents continuing being, not confessing the truth.
Short ago I watched a tv program showing a family, whose eldest daughter had died and her two siblings grew up in her shadow, for years and years.
The whole family life lived around her absence, her sleeping room hadn't change since the day she died, everything remained exactly like the girl had left it. Years and years.
The only positive thing was that the family was not living a lie, like Sean and Amelie are living for nearly seven years.

The truth will be a terrible shock to them, after having lived in the shadow of an abducted sister, and they will start living in the shadow of a deceased.
How will they ever trust their parents and their relatives again when they learn that they had been cheated?

by Guest 08.01.14 9:22

marconi wrote:I wonder how far the destruction and distortion of the twins lives have gone. How very irresponsible their parents continuing being, not confessing the truth.
Short ago I watched a tv program showing a family, whose eldest daughter had died and her two siblings grew up in her shadow, for years and years.
The whole family life lived around her absence, her sleeping room hadn't change since the day she died, everything remained exactly like the girl had left it. Years and years.
The only positive thing was that the family was not living a lie, like Sean and Amelie are living for nearly seven years.

The truth will be a terrible shock to them, after having lived in the shadow of an abducted sister, and they will start living in the shadow of a deceased.
How will they ever trust their parents and their relatives again when they learn that they had been cheated?

I don't think that they have grown up in Madeleine's shadow the same way that they would have done if she had been a beloved daughter. The impression K & G give is that Madeleine was an inconvenience who became a much loved cash machine. However, everything that has happened for the last seven years will have impacted on the twins' psyches.

The twins are old enough to read newspapers so what must it have done to them to have read about their mother's suicidal thoughts last autumn not to mention what they hear in the playground.

My heart goes out to those poor children sad

by Truthmustout 08.01.14 18:17

Norwegian news says this about the three suspects, a little more than the fox news article ( article is from today )

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The British Police Scotland Yard has investigated the disappearance of three -year-old Madeleine McCann in 2007. While the Portuguese police have a former employee of the hotel as the main suspect , the British police rejected this theory.

The deceased suspect was a drug addict and should have been inside the hotel room to the McCann family to steal valuables, and must have panicked when he woke Madeleine lying asleep .

Do thieves panicked
The British have ruled this man from the investigation, but believe in equality with Portuguese colleagues that the kidnapping was a burglary that went wrong. The thieves panicked and took Three-year , think the police according to the Daily Mail.

The English girl was reported missing after she disappeared without a trace from the hotel room where the family was on holiday in Portugal. Despite the investigation and a huge media exposure , it remains unclear what happened to her.

Relationship between burglary and abduction
Portuguese police knew about the burglary that these guys did the same in the days before the Three-year disappeared. But they quickly ruled correlation between burglaries and kidnapping.

British police believe Portuguese counterparts were too quick to rule out the context and are critical of what they call bad view of the situation.

The bad blood between the British and Portuguese police is the reason British police do not get to charge the three named suspects. Only the police in Portugal that can apprehend and possibly prosecute them in Portugal, but they have refrained from a formal partnership with the British police.

Without cooperation from the Portuguese police's Scotland Yard caught in the unfolding case. According to the Daily Mail ongoing diplomatic talks between the countries to get placed British investigators in Portugal.

British police took up the McCann case in July 2013.
Police in the UK using mobile data established that three kriminielle operated in the neighborhood at the same time as Madeleine McCann disappeared .

Data traffic showed that trio called each other " unusual amount " immediately after Madeleine was reported missing .

by Mirage 08.01.14 18:51

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The following extract is taken from :
The Leveson Inquiry
Witness Statement of Stephen Wright

The rest can be found here: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

D
29.
Ethical and legal fssues (sic) faced by a crime reporter

The role of a crime reporter is to pursue the aims that I have set out in parts B and C above.
In summary, these include:

29.1 Ensuring that matters relating to criminal investigations and proceedings are
reported as accurately as possible so as to encourage public confidence in the
system;
29.2 Assisting the police with their inquiries by encouraging the public to come forward
with information;
29.3 Undertaking independent investigations and research into crimes which may
uncover further information for the police;
29.4
29.5
Working with the police in order to ensure that information is not published
unnecessarily at a time when it could interfere with or jeopardise an investigation
or arrest; and
Exposing corruption, malpractice and abuses of power by the police and ensuring
that the forces are held to account.
30.
E,
31.
F,
At all times, I do my utmost to ensure that I am acting lawfully (including in accordance with
the laws of defamation and contempt of court) and ethically.

by Mirage 08.01.14 19:23

I thought this was also of interest in the current climate. It is an extract form Stephen Wright's testimony at Leveson. The link for the whole Guardian reportage is : [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

Extract:-

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Wright says he advised Daily Mail editor Paul Dacre over the famous "Murderers" front page of the paper on suspects in the Stephen Lawrence investigation.
He says he had "no idea" the paper was going to publish the front page until the evening of its production.
He gave Dacre information about the five suspects before the page was published, saying "in a small way I think that helped make his mind up" about running the controversial front page.
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Wright is asked about his Daily Mail article, published on 8 November 2007, about a meeting between police and the Lawrence family, referred to earlier today by DCI Clive Driscoll.
The journalist says he is particularly protective of sources but adds that "no one on that particular investigation team" was responsible for leaking that information to Wright.
He declines to say whether it was a police officer.

I am concerned in the current climate … I have current colleagues in the CRA who have been receiving intimdating (sic) phone calls from a certain department in the Met police service about who sources are. I am very concerned indeed about these matters.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Wright does not believe his November 2007 article could have jeopardised the Lawrence investigation.
The Daily Mail enjoys a fantastic relationship with the Lawrence family, he adds, maintaining that the story was in the public interest.
Leveson says the Daily Mail took an "important lead" on the Lawrence murder investigation, but pushes on whether the story could have been unhelpful to the ongoing police inquiries.
Wright says that it comes down to a judgment call. He adds that the Daily Mail would not have published the story if the police objected or if they thought it could jeopardise the investigation.
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Wright says he put the Lawerence story to the Met press office "late in the day" and a decision was made to run the story.
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Wright says in September 2010, the paper had another Lawrence story and decided not to run it after talking to the Met.
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Jay suggests if the police think a journalist is acting on stories that are leaked, that might diminish their trust.
Wright says he does not write about leaks every day and officers have never criticised him for using leaked material.
"They might think I'm well informed," he says, adding that he does not always write up material he learns from leaks.
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Wright says he would never write a story based on being told something by someone and not checking whether they were happy for him to publish it.
"Contrary to the Filkin report, there's no trickery in my reporting. None at all," he tells the inquiry.
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Wright's witness statement [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] on the Leveson inquiry website.

by Pershing36 08.01.14 19:44

Three bungling burglars find a child at home alone. I have seen this somewhere before

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by petunia 08.01.14 20:13

Three burglars.Kate Gerry and green ink.

by Mirage 08.01.14 21:11

Throughout all of this the words that return to me over and over again are those of GM in the airport bus: "F*** off! I'm not here to enjoy myself."

by mouse 09.01.14 18:26

Didn't know where to post - so put here. Apparently according to Guido Fawkes website - order-order - some strange rumours are circulating about a scandal involving Bernard Hogan Howe.......Could be interesting. Shall stay watching this site tonight. Though it might not be to do with Madeleine, it might be something else awkward which may throw some questions as to his judgement - what might happen if he loses his position I wonder? Will Andy Redwood be permitted to carry on spending (wasting) millions of tax payers cash on a wild abductor case? Could be very interesting.

by Monty Heck 09.01.14 20:10

beijos wrote:
ultimaThule wrote:While travelling in Spain back in 1998/99, I bought a new Sony Ericsson PAYG mobile for a modest sum - special offer c£25. There was no requirement to register it to my name. I topped it up at whatever gas station or other outlet I happened to come across whenever the credit was getting low and I expect similar deals were available in/around Luz in May 2007.

As I very much doubt they were tipped off about the press hacking phones, it would appear the McCanns and their pals had other reasons for ensuring their communications stayed private and it's more likely their primary concern was the possibility of the police tracing and/or listening to their calls.

When trawling through the data, it may be that unexplained activity between Luz and places the McCanns and their pals are known to have called on their registered mobiles will come to light.

Slowly, slowly, catchee monkey...

I find it hard to believe the McCanns purchased Portuguese pre-pay phones on their holiday.

We bought a pre-pay mobile cell phone in 2007 in Portugal. It was a drama as you needed a NIF (Fiscal Tax number like the UK National Insurance Card), prior to purchase. The same went for pay as you go mobile broadband dongles. The only places I know to top up phones are at MultiBancos (requires a Portugal Bank Account, Multibanco Card and Portuguese language skills), and the network provider shops (Nearest ones to Luz are in Lagos).

Also, Luz is a small place, and had/has no shops selling mobile phones. The only place they may have bought pre-pay phones from would be the Vodafone shop at Faro Airport outside the arrivals hall. They're a little more accommodating there. One more thing, the mobile handsets were/are expensive in Portugal.

beijos

So purchasing PAYG phones by no means a simple process nontheless no problem getting 2 handsets delivered PDQ by "friends of friends" at Portimao PJ station that very first day. This would require assistance from people with not only excellent local knowledge but in all probability language skills, and also what must surely have been a high level of commitment. The "abduction" was barely announced yet there were apparently quite distantly connected people with the requisite means and intent to accomplish this. Can't help thinking help of this kind seems rather more akin to professional (Consular?) assistance than random do gooders, who by lucky chance happened to be in the vicinity that very morning.

by Guest 09.01.14 20:21

Monty Heck wrote:
So purchasing PAYG phones by no means a simple process nontheless no problem getting 2 handsets delivered PDQ by "friends of friends" at Portimao PJ station that very first day. This would require assistance from people with not only excellent local knowledge but in all probability language skills, and also what must surely have been a high level of commitment. The "abduction" was barely announced yet there were apparently quite distantly connected people with the requisite means and intent to accomplish this. Can't help thinking help of this kind seems rather more akin to professional (Consular?) assistance than random do gooders, who by lucky chance happened to be in the vicinity that very morning.

If you think about it, getting the PAYG phones delivered to the Police station on the 4th would be a good way of drawing attention to their "newness" - even if you'd already been using them for several days.....

by **tigger** 09.01.14 20:37

Clay Regazzoni wrote:
Monty Heck wrote:
So purchasing PAYG phones by no means a simple process nontheless no problem getting 2 handsets delivered PDQ by "friends of friends" at Portimao PJ station that very first day. This would require assistance from people with not only excellent local knowledge but in all probability language skills, and also what must surely have been a high level of commitment. The "abduction" was barely announced yet there were apparently quite distantly connected people with the requisite means and intent to accomplish this. Can't help thinking help of this kind seems rather more akin to professional (Consular?) assistance than random do gooders, who by lucky chance happened to be in the vicinity that very morning.

If you think about it, getting the PAYG phones delivered to the Police station on the 4th would be a good way of drawing attention to their "newness" - even if you'd already been using them for several days.....

The Camerons (Gerry's sister) were able to borrow a car from friends when they got to Portugal.

I've never believed the babes in the wood myth. The Algarve isn't called Little Britain for nothing. Also - as Praaia? told us - has very few CCTV cameras in public places.

by suep 09.01.14 20:42

Wasn't this something to do with a relative of DP (?brother in law) with a name like Oldridge or Aldridge? He was in the UK at the time so must have had contacts in PdL. I seem to remember he had a connection to the construction industry.

by Monty Heck 09.01.14 21:10

Clay Regazzoni wrote:
Monty Heck wrote:
So purchasing PAYG phones by no means a simple process nontheless no problem getting 2 handsets delivered PDQ by "friends of friends" at Portimao PJ station that very first day. This would require assistance from people with not only excellent local knowledge but in all probability language skills, and also what must surely have been a high level of commitment. The "abduction" was barely announced yet there were apparently quite distantly connected people with the requisite means and intent to accomplish this. Can't help thinking help of this kind seems rather more akin to professional (Consular?) assistance than random do gooders, who by lucky chance happened to be in the vicinity that very morning.

If you think about it, getting the PAYG phones delivered to the Police station on the 4th would be a good way of drawing attention to their "newness" - even if you'd already been using them for several days....

Good point but wouldn't that mean dependence on some third party accomplice/s? Seems a bit high risk but that wouldn't necessarily rule out the possibility - there are so many strange things about this entire case.

by bobbin 09.01.14 21:20

Monty Heck wrote:
Clay Regazzoni wrote:
Monty Heck wrote:
So purchasing PAYG phones by no means a simple process nontheless no problem getting 2 handsets delivered PDQ by "friends of friends" at Portimao PJ station that very first day. This would require assistance from people with not only excellent local knowledge but in all probability language skills, and also what must surely have been a high level of commitment. The "abduction" was barely announced yet there were apparently quite distantly connected people with the requisite means and intent to accomplish this. Can't help thinking help of this kind seems rather more akin to professional (Consular?) assistance than random do gooders, who by lucky chance happened to be in the vicinity that very morning.

If you think about it, getting the PAYG phones delivered to the Police station on the 4th would be a good way of drawing attention to their "newness" - even if you'd already been using them for several days....

Good point but wouldn't that mean dependence on some third party accomplice/s? Seems a bit high risk but that wouldn't necessarily rule out the possibility - there are so many strange things about this entire case.

Payne was at pains to not be able to remember the person easily, a friend of a friend etc. so no 'finger pointing' and all innocent and kind enough, offering to let them spend the night etc. helping fellow citizens out type of thing..
But very good point Clay R. "Newness", yes, draw attention to their newness...except that on analysis and hindsight, it looks like a 'staging' comment, so we naturally are drawn to look at any indication of 'previous use of PAYG' and then find plenty of indications, like simultaneous phones going off, then on in synchrony, and irregular patterns in Mobile phone activity followed by zero.

by Monty Heck 09.01.14 21:20

tigger wrote:
Clay Regazzoni wrote:
Monty Heck wrote:
So purchasing PAYG phones by no means a simple process nontheless no problem getting 2 handsets delivered PDQ by "friends of friends" at Portimao PJ station that very first day. This would require assistance from people with not only excellent local knowledge but in all probability language skills, and also what must surely have been a high level of commitment. The "abduction" was barely announced yet there were apparently quite distantly connected people with the requisite means and intent to accomplish this. Can't help thinking help of this kind seems rather more akin to professional (Consular?) assistance than random do gooders, who by lucky chance happened to be in the vicinity that very morning.

If you think about it, getting the PAYG phones delivered to the Police station on the 4th would be a good way of drawing attention to their "newness" - even if you'd already been using them for several days.....

The Camerons (Gerry's sister) were able to borrow a car from friends when they got to Portugal.

I've never believed the babes in the wood myth. The Algarve isn't called Little Britain for nothing. Also - as Praaia? told us - has very few CCTV cameras in public places.

With you re babes in the wood myth - there was a massive amount help of all kinds on offer, but there is just something about getting these phones so early on in this way. People were absolutely willing to join searches, put up posters, do whatever they could to assist, but if someone you knew who knew someone connected to the McCs called you early doors and asked you to source a few PAYG handsets and get them delivered to them at Portimao immediately, wouldn't you have thought "what on earth for?" The explanations given for the sudden need for these phones just don't seem to adequately explain why when reading of them now which does seem to beg the question, who did source the phones and why?

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