3 Prime Suspects Identified

I don't believe any burglars entered the McCanns apartment and took Madeleine. They say there is no honour amongst thieves, one of the burglars would of talked and then claimed the reward money.

I wonder why Kate lied about Payne being a longer time in 5a that afternoon/evening. On CMTV Amaral tells that
Mrs. Fenn had seen him at the patio at 7pm.
What was her reason to hide the truth?  Protecting him, protecting herself or protecting both of them?
It is possible that Gerry was not yet back from the tennis court at 7pm and I wonder if Payne was impatiantly waiting for his return. Had the accident already happened?
Is there any witness who saw Payne at the tennis court, asking for Kate? I never read anything about it.

About the new rogatory letter: I pray, I hope it is about the reconstruction.

 

Isnt it just incredulous that Mccanns knew about contents of ILOR and operational matter, when Portuguese have yet to confirm receipt of such ILOR, nor have MET leaked operational matter !

aiyoyo wrote:Isnt it just incredulous that Mccanns knew about contents of ILOR and operational matter, when Portuguese have yet to confirm receipt of such ILOR, nor have MET leaked operational matter !

Didn't the McCanns say recently, directly or indirectly, that they would not be commenting? This whole case is insane and I hope it is solved soon for Madeleine's sake. Her parents are either damn guilty or damn ignorant. What a damn shame!

SOOOO!

Not quite the 3 burglars 'panicking' and 'grabbing a kid' when 'disturbed' by Madeleine when the 'burglary' went wrong 'story' being relentlessy foisted on the UK public by the McCann 'spokesman' and UK Media.

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DAY 80. (Gerry McCann)
"What Kate and I did was at worst naïve and no one should forget that the real criminal is the predator who has taken a completely innocent child in such a premeditated fashion."
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"WHO HAS TAKEN A COMPLETELY INNOCENT CHILD  IN SUCH A PREMEDITATED FASHION"

premeditated = done with willful deliberation; planned in advance.

Something 'premeditated' is planned in advanced and has a purpose behind it. In other words, it's no accident. A premeditated crime involves careful planning and research before it happens.

Not exactly the Modus Operandi of 3 'bumbling, bungling, panicking, child snatching' X,Y and Z 'burglars', i wouldn't have thought!

Back to the drawing board chaps!




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One thing that bothers me is that Madeleine cried for 75 minutes on May the 1st and the twins did not wake up.

It is again nearly full moon and May the 2nd was also full moon.
Will the reconstruction happen this week?

I hope when Tapas 9 go to Algarve, if they go, that somebody will recognise them, take pictures and warn the media.

jeanmonroe wrote:SOOOO!

Not quite the 3 burglars 'panicking' and 'grabbing a kid' when 'disturbed' by Madeleine when the 'burglary' went wrong 'story' being relentlessy foisted on the UK public by the McCann 'spokesman' and UK Media.

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DAY 80. (Gerry McCann)
"What Kate and I did was at worst naïve and no one should forget that the real criminal is the predator who has taken a completely innocent child in such a premeditated fashion."
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"WHO HAS TAKEN A COMPLETELY INNOCENT CHILD  IN SUCH A PREMEDITATED FASHION"

premeditated = done with willful deliberation; planned in advance.

Something 'premeditated' is planned in advanced and has a purpose behind it. In other words, it's no accident. A premeditated crime involves careful planning and research before it happens.

Not exactly the Modus Operandi of 3 'bumbling, bungling, panicking, child snatching' X,Y and Z 'burglars', i wouldn't have thought!

Back to the drawing board chaps!




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Exactly.
And don't forget Redwood's remark on Crimewatch that 'on one reading this has all the hallmarks of a pre-planned abduction.'

How can something appear to be the result of thoughtful planning. and the result of a sudden panicked decision. at the same time?

dantezebu wrote:Bobby18 wrote:
"...In the scenario that reports are true and SY are looking into the possibility that burglars are involved (the lack of specific comment on the matter would still lend me to believe that to be true)..."
But they didn't comment on Tractorman either, so by your logic you must believe that to be true also.

IMO they are not comparable.

Tractorman was here and gone in the blink of an eye amid potential law suits etc. Currently itis being reported as a PJ lead going down a blind alley. IMO SY did not need to comment on that.

Burglars have been in the public domain for over 3 months now with it being acknowledged as a lead by DCI Redwood on Crime watch. From October onwards, it has gradually intensified, contrary to fading away.

IMO Something HAS to give on it and soon, albeit it is accepted that may be a simple confirmation of 'eliminated from enquiries' and move on.....

It seems to me that there are two possible scenarios being played out here:

1. SY have been told to keep away from investigating the McCanns and are simply doing what they can. Chasing down long shot 'leads' with low expectation of success, and letting the Pj go after the McCanns with any new evidence they may have. 

Or

2.   SY are actively involved in creating a whitewash and the backup evidence to go with it, and hoping they can persuade the PJ to go along with it.  

Either way the mccanns have nothing to fear from SY. Which may explain why they feel so free to spin these stories without any comeback or restriction from the MET.


In many ways the spin stories suit SY. With zero progress in 2 years and £6m down the drain, the press were ready to describe them as useless buffoons.  But even if these stories are entirely false or massively exaggerated, it makes the masses believe that SY are doing well and indeed closing in... 

Why would they wish to contradict that? Especially if they already believe either that there are no burglars or that their involvement was nil.

bobby18 wrote:

dantezebu wrote:Bobby18 wrote:
"...In the scenario that reports are true and SY are looking into the possibility that burglars are involved (the lack of specific comment on the matter would still lend me to believe that to be true)..."
But they didn't comment on Tractorman either, so by your logic you must believe that to be true also.

IMO they are not comparable.

Tractorman was here and gone in the blink of an eye amid potential law suits etc. Currently itis being reported as a PJ lead going down a blind alley. IMO SY did not need to comment on that.

Burglars have been in the public domain for over 3 months now with it being acknowledged as a lead by DCI Redwood on Crime watch. From October onwards, it has gradually intensified, contrary to fading away.

IMO Something HAS to give on it and soon, albeit it is accepted that may be a simple confirmation of 'eliminated from enquiries' and move on.....

But why must SY comment? There is no reason. It's a complete waste of their time and energy.
Should SY have to confirm or deny every journalistic fantasy?
AR was asked directly on the CW appeal about tractorman, and didn't flinch as he completely ignored the question.
He showed his contempt for this kind of media frenzy. And I am sure he doesn't want to add to it by speaking about it and giving it a name.

Bishop Brennan wrote:It seems to me that there are two possible scenarios being played out here:

1. SY have been told to keep away from investigating the McCanns and are simply doing what they can. Chasing down long shot 'leads' with low expectation of success, and letting the Pj go after the McCanns with any new evidence they may have. 

Or

2.   SY are actively involved in creating a whitewash and the backup evidence to go with it, and hoping they can persuade the PJ to go along with it.  

Either way the mccanns have nothing to fear from SY. Which may explain why they feel so free to spin these stories without any comeback or restriction from the MET.

There is a third alternative, the McCanns are being allowed to say whatever they want because the police are investigating them.

Karen Matthews, Tracie Andrews, Ian Huntley & the Philpotts all made a lot of noise about attackers/abductors while the police were, quietly and in the background, building cases against them.

Recently, any spoutings from the McCann propaganda machine that have affected real people (the sightings & tractorman) have been stomped on pretty quickly but the 3 burglars are anonymous and unidentifiable and the McCanns are being allowed to run with the story.

I think there are probably even more scenarios that we haven't thought of simply because we don't know what is going on behind the scenes.

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Have SY found a suitable Patsy?

I think that the media in the UK are preparing the public for a terrible schock.
They are insisting on the burglars till suddenly the police come up with the truth, which will not be a surprise, I presume. More than 3000 reacted on the e-fits, the Yard must know what people's judment is.
Vox populi, vox Dei.
I continue believing that things are going well, no whitewash.
The McCanns are nowhere to be found.
We have to wait but not much longer, I  hope.

Too good not to share around. Many thanks MM.

The descriptions of the three burglars who are being sought has today been released by Scotland Yard. They are:

Burglar 1 - about 6 feet tall, muscular build wearing blue lycra leggings and blue lycra top with red cape and red circle with a capital "S" in it

Burglar 2 - about 5ft 7 in height, slimmer build wearing an all in one lycra suit with built in hood and mesh mask. Distinctive spider design on suit
Has the ability to scale walls.

Burglar 3 - over 6 feet tall, muscular build wearing a grey lycra all in one with black head cover and black cape. This person has a yellow circle on his chest with the motif of a bat on it.

DCI Andy Dreadwood of SY said that these people are the only ones who could possibly have entered a building, took nothing in the burglary and left no DNA clues. If they are spotted people can call Crimestoppers on .......

marconi wrote:I think that the media in the UK are preparing the public for a terrible schock.
They are insisting on the burglars till suddenly the police come up with the truth, which will not be a surprise, I presume. More than 3000 reacted on the e-fits, the Yard must know what people's judment is.
Vox populi, vox Dei.
I continue believing that things are going well, no whitewash.
The McCanns are nowhere to be found.
We have to wait but not much longer, I  hope.

On the other hand they could be testing the PJ and the Portuguese Government to see if they will back them up on their Patsy. They can also see if the general public will be suckered into it which I think a few will and the rest will just be happy the case is closed. 

If these are simply burglars they will be no loss to anyone.

PeterMac wrote:Too good not to share around.  Many thanks MM.

The descriptions of the three burglars who are being sought has today been released by Scotland Yard. They are:

Burglar 1 - about 6 feet tall, muscular build wearing blue lycra leggings and blue lycra top with red cape and red circle with a capital "S" in it

Burglar 2 - about 5ft 7 in height, slimmer build wearing an all in one lycra suit with built in hood and mesh mask. Distinctive spider design on suit
Has the ability to scale walls.

Burglar 3 - over 6 feet tall, muscular build wearing a grey lycra all in one with black head cover and black cape. This person has a yellow circle on his chest with the motif of a bat on it.

DCI Andy Dreadwood of SY said that these people are the only ones who could possibly have entered a building, took nothing in the burglary and left no DNA clues. If they are spotted people can call Crimestoppers on .......

HA HA HA That's a good one!
Invincible or not, MET have not authority to arrest them, neither have the PJ as arrest warrant (or interview for that matter) must be approved higher authority in the Portuguese Judiciary as PJ works strictly on directionPA or Judge - that's the legal protocol of Portugal as we know.
Unless Redwood submits identities of these invincible burglars and action of intention for a Judge of the Criminal Justice in Portugal, subject to approval first, PJ can't do anything.
Their source i(the slithering pink thingie if press is hinting at) is talking out his derriere, deliberately misleading the press about the ILOR.
The Press has never named the source thus there's no way of knowing the source or the Press made up the tall tale.

Burglars, eh? A team of 3 who didn't nick anything in the way of jewellery, money, gadgets etc. Your average commonal garden housebreaker? Burglars who nick a child on the way out? Better be quick, mate 'cos they're coming back here in ten minutes to check on the children, forget the jewellery box there isn't time, we'll take one of the kids instead.

Er no, I don't think so.

Either SY is keen /overly keen to inform the public that they really are exploring all possibilities, even the daft ones, and they are just working through those possibilities or they really are scraping the barrel now in terms of finding something to act as 'closure'. What will come next?

My own hunch, my own personal opinion, having watched Andy, is that it's only certain lines which are being followed now. I think, to paraphrase Orwell, all explanations are equal (ly credible) but some are more equal than others.

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SY: Burglar One, where were you the night of May 3, 2007 when Madeleine McCann disappeared?
B1: Dude, that was six years ago. Beats me.
SY: Well, we have you on your phone in Praia da Luz.
B1: Okay, then, I was in Praia da Luz.
SY: Were you in the McCann's apartment?
B1: No.
SY: Were you burglarizing apartments in the area that night?
B1: No.
SY: You made a bunch of phone calls to your two burglar friends late that evening.
B1: Yeah, so? Probably we were trying to decide which pub to meet up at.
SY: I don't think that was it. I think you had kidnapped Madeleine McCann and needed help dealing with the child.
B1: What have you been smoking? What is a burglar going to do with a child? Our fence isn't going to give us money for her. And no stuff was even taken from that apartment.
SY: We think you killed the child accidentally because she saw you and then, in a panic, you took her with you. You didn't get around to stealing anything but Madeleine's body.
B1: Are you actually serious? Like a three-year-old seeing me in the dark will be able to pick me out of a lineup. You have got to be kidding! Like I would prefer a murder charge over just getting the hell out of there.
SY: Well, we have evidence you took her.
BI: Oh, please. How dumb do you think I am? I read the police reports on this case. They are online. The only evidence you have from the apartment is the fact your British dogs found that someone lay dead in the apartment for a couple of hours and, if that is so, no burglar had anything to do with it.
SY: Well, we don't believe our dogs. We believe the McCanns.
B1; But, they have lied about stuff and changed their story a bunch of times.
SY; Yeah, well, that doesn't matter. What matters is your two burglar friends have told me you were the one who actually kidnapped the child.
B1: Oh, yeah? I doubt that, because after the McCanns leaked to the media that Scotland Yard wanted to arrest us, we got together and had some beers and a good laugh over what we were all going to say in the upcoming surprise interrogations.
SY; Well, yeah.....um....yeah....well, don't leave town. We might want to talk to you again.


Transcript of Burglar Two: Same as the first

Transcript of Burglar Three: Same as the first


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Exactly. Reality and common sense against Pink Obfuscation.

Lets hope the "Smithman" had the phone with him and it turns out in the analysis of mobile phones.

Poe wrote:

Bishop Brennan wrote:It seems to me that there are two possible scenarios being played out here:

1. SY have been told to keep away from investigating the McCanns and are simply doing what they can. Chasing down long shot 'leads' with low expectation of success, and letting the Pj go after the McCanns with any new evidence they may have. 

Or

2.   SY are actively involved in creating a whitewash and the backup evidence to go with it, and hoping they can persuade the PJ to go along with it.  

Either way the mccanns have nothing to fear from SY. Which may explain why they feel so free to spin these stories without any comeback or restriction from the MET.

There is a third alternative, the McCanns are being allowed to say whatever they want because the police are investigating them.

Karen Matthews, Tracie Andrews, Ian Huntley & the Philpotts all made a lot of noise about attackers/abductors while the police were, quietly and in the background, building cases against them.

Recently, any spoutings from the McCann propaganda machine that have affected real people (the sightings & tractorman) have been stomped on pretty quickly but the 3 burglars are anonymous and unidentifiable and the McCanns are being allowed to run with the story.

I think there are probably even more scenarios that we haven't thought of simply because we don't know what is going on behind the scenes.

 Mccanns being allowed to say whatever they want because the police are investigating them?

NAH! Waiting many years! And they're never even questioned!

Karen Matthews, Tracie Andrews, Ian Huntley & the Philpotts all made a lot of noise about attackers/abductors while the police were, quietly and in the background, building cases against them?


NAH, Look how long the mccans have got away with it.

Pershing36 wrote:

marconi wrote:I think that the media in the UK are preparing the public for a terrible schock.
They are insisting on the burglars till suddenly the police come up with the truth, which will not be a surprise, I presume. More than 3000 reacted on the e-fits, the Yard must know what people's judment is.
Vox populi, vox Dei.
I continue believing that things are going well, no whitewash.
The McCanns are nowhere to be found.
We have to wait but not much longer, I  hope.

On the other hand they could be testing the PJ and the Portuguese Government to see if they will back them up on their Patsy. They can also see if the general public will be suckered into it which I think a few will and the rest will just be happy the case is closed. 

If these are simply burglars they will be no loss to anyone.

I tend to agree with you perishing 36", hoping I'm wrong but from where I am standing SY are just making a fool of themselves such stupid concepts " Tractor man and Burglars " just not right, get on and investigate properly. Pull in the Tapas and the Mcs and re interview them and then we will know you are at least trying to do the right thing here !!!

PeterMac wrote:Too good not to share around.  Many thanks MM.

The descriptions of the three burglars who are being sought has today been released by Scotland Yard. They are:

Burglar 1 - about 6 feet tall, muscular build wearing blue lycra leggings and blue lycra top with red cape and red circle with a capital "S" in it

Burglar 2 - about 5ft 7 in height, slimmer build wearing an all in one lycra suit with built in hood and mesh mask. Distinctive spider design on suit
Has the ability to scale walls.

Burglar 3 - over 6 feet tall, muscular build wearing a grey lycra all in one with black head cover and black cape. This person has a yellow circle on his chest with the motif of a bat on it.

DCI Andy Dreadwood of SY said that these people are the only ones who could possibly have entered a building, took nothing in the burglary and left no DNA clues. If they are spotted people can call Crimestoppers on .......

   

I don't feel confident about starting a new thread for this.  

Breaking news at this point is the missing little boy in the UK Mikaeel Kubar's body has been recovered from the Fife and his mother detained. I have posted this because I have kept hearing things about his disappearance from his bedroom and people saying 'he has been abducted like Maddy'.

The sad truth is it appears far from that at this moment.

PeterMac wrote:

Poe wrote:
Number 3 is the "liars number". How many burglars were there again?

Who has EVER heard of THREE burglars, acting in concert.
Three is too many to trust.
(nine is far too many to trust !)

  

Pershing36 wrote:I don't feel confident about starting a new thread for this.  

Breaking news at this point is the missing little boy in the UK Mikaeel Kubar's body has been recovered from the Fife and his mother detained. I have posted this because I have kept hearing things about his disappearance from his bedroom and people saying 'he has been abducted like Maddy'.

The sad truth is it appears far from that at this moment.

FYI, Pershing, If you go to the home page and click where it says View Posts since last Visit (left hand side a bit below FORUM) you will most likely see there is a topic called MISSING BOY (3) Edin...  

PeterMac wrote:Too good not to share around.  Many thanks MM.

The descriptions of the three burglars who are being sought has today been released by Scotland Yard. They are:

Burglar 1 - about 6 feet tall, muscular build wearing blue lycra leggings and blue lycra top with red cape and red circle with a capital "S" in it

Burglar 2 - about 5ft 7 in height, slimmer build wearing an all in one lycra suit with built in hood and mesh mask. Distinctive spider design on suit
Has the ability to scale walls.

Burglar 3 - over 6 feet tall, muscular build wearing a grey lycra all in one with black head cover and black cape. This person has a yellow circle on his chest with the motif of a bat on it.

DCI Andy Dreadwood of SY said that these people are the only ones who could possibly have entered a building, took nothing in the burglary and left no DNA clues. If they are spotted people can call Crimestoppers on .......

What happend when this guys are ruled out?
White wash or the truth??? 

Loving Mom wrote:

Pershing36 wrote:I don't feel confident about starting a new thread for this.  

Breaking news at this point is the missing little boy in the UK Mikaeel Kubar's body has been recovered from the Fife and his mother detained. I have posted this because I have kept hearing things about his disappearance from his bedroom and people saying 'he has been abducted like Maddy'.

The sad truth is it appears far from that at this moment.

FYI, Pershing, If you go to the home page and click where it says View Posts since last Visit (left hand side a bit below FORUM) you will most likely see there is a topic called MISSING BOY (3) Edin...  

Pardon me,

Keep missing things since I had my eye operation.