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Post by jeanmonroe 17.08.13 16:53

Duh brain me!

If it was the 3rd May 2007 at 8pm as he (taxi driver) states then Gerry couldn't have seen Madeleine in her bed at 9:05pm could he?
JT could NOT have seen Madeleine being carried off at 9:15/20pm could she?
Madeleine would have been 'gone' an HOUR  or more before Gerry's 'check'
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If it were 8pm on the 3rd May 2007 then Gerry and Kate were IN the apartment 5A drinking wine and telling stories!

They didn't leave for the Tapas until 8:30pm!

My brain hurts!
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Post by Angelique 17.08.13 17:54

Would any of this taxi drivers story fit in with the dogs? It could only be the substitute if it ever happened.

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Post by gbwales 17.08.13 18:15

Weird that something old is being trotted out as if it were something new.

I suppose the key things to understanding the validity of all this are:

1 - What date did he originally report his story to the PJ?
2 - Did his description at that time include details that weren't in the press?
3 - Did his original account say 3rd or 4th?

The thing I always come back to is trying to also consider the simplest, obvious points too.
And in this case that would be:
What abductor in his right mind would move the child by *TAXI* ?
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Post by Angelique 17.08.13 18:19

gbwales

You said
"What abductor in his right mind would move the child by *TAXI* ?"


Yes indeed. But it would facilitate the "sub" suggestion in that it may have helped if she was seen by an independent person, aka a taxi driver.

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Post by gbwales 17.08.13 18:45

True - agreed.

If he did see what he says he saw then it would more likely be a diversion than actually the genuine abduction of Madeleine.

Not sure I would even set up diversions though - they could always go wrong - why not keep an operation as simple as possible...?
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Post by Searcher 17.08.13 19:19

I am very interested in the versions of what KM allegedly said/called out on the night of 3 May.  One version, as said earlier here, is "They've taken her ..".

In the horrific circumstances of a child missing from their bed, what would a mother say in that agonising moment?   She is likely to say the truth - "I can't find her ... we must look .. where is she?" and the mother would be out, calling for her child, frantic to look and to find.

If the alleged words "They have taken her .." or "The Fxxxxxx Bxxxxx have taken her" were reliably witnessed, then this must be a known truth.  Therefore, who are "they"?  And if so, was this an alive child taken or a deceased one? 

The other alleged words at the same time are "We have let her down ..". 

Also, as has been said in various places many times, if a child was presumed abducted, would a parent leave the apartment with two other children still sleeping, even for a moment?
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Post by Hicks 17.08.13 19:22

jeanmonroe wrote:Duh brain me!

If it was the 3rd May 2007 at 8pm as he (taxi driver) states then Gerry couldn't have seen Madeleine in her bed at 9:05pm could he?
JT could NOT have seen Madeleine being carried off at 9:15/20pm could she?
Madeleine would have been 'gone' an HOUR  or more before Gerry's 'check'
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If it were 8pm on the 3rd May 2007 then Gerry and Kate were IN the apartment 5A drinking wine and telling stories!

They didn't leave for the Tapas until 8:30pm!

My brain hurts!
Exactly Jean! It was the 3rd May that the Taxi-driver reported picking them up at around 8pm.
Perhaps then Kate and Gerry were NOT in the apartment, drinking New Zealand wine and chatting at 8pm.
These new key witnesses may have been able to give an accurate description of this middle aged couple, I am willing to bet that the female had shoulder length blonde hair, the man slightly balding.
I am also willing to bet that this couple came back and took M on the 3rd.
SY say they believe M could be alive, perhaps it was the statements of these new witnesses that gave them that belief, but I reckon that SY already know that once they find out who this couple are the trail will lead back to the MC'S.

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Post by BerylJ 17.08.13 19:26

Searcher wrote:I am very interested in the versions of what KM allegedly said/called out on the night of 3 May.  One version, as said earlier here, is "They've taken her ..".

In the horrific circumstances of a child missing from their bed, what would a mother say in that agonising moment?   She is likely to say the truth - "I can't find her ... we must look .. where is she?" and the mother would be out, calling for her child, frantic to look and to find.

If the alleged words "They have taken her .." or "The Fxxxxxx Bxxxxx have taken her" were reliably witnessed, then this must be a known truth.  Therefore, who are "they"?  And if so, was this an alive child taken or a deceased one? 

The other alleged words at the same time are "We have let her down ..". 

Also, as has been said in various places many times, if a child was presumed abducted, would a parent leave the apartment with two other children still sleeping, even for a moment?
In that agonizing moment of finding my child missing, what would I say/shout? The child's name. I would scream the name. Nothing else at that time.
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Post by Hicks 17.08.13 19:56

BerylJ wrote:
Searcher wrote:I am very interested in the versions of what KM allegedly said/called out on the night of 3 May.  One version, as said earlier here, is "They've taken her ..".

In the horrific circumstances of a child missing from their bed, what would a mother say in that agonising moment?   She is likely to say the truth - "I can't find her ... we must look .. where is she?" and the mother would be out, calling for her child, frantic to look and to find.

If the alleged words "They have taken her .." or "The Fxxxxxx Bxxxxx have taken her" were reliably witnessed, then this must be a known truth.  Therefore, who are "they"?  And if so, was this an alive child taken or a deceased one? 

The other alleged words at the same time are "We have let her down ..". 

Also, as has been said in various places many times, if a child was presumed abducted, would a parent leave the apartment with two other children still sleeping, even for a moment?
In that agonizing moment of finding my child missing, what would I say/shout? The child's name. I would scream the name. Nothing else at that time.
Listen to Kate in this vid. I believe that she is talking about the couple who were to adopt M. Note how guarded she is in what she says, can't give the game away now Kate!


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Post by Hicks 17.08.13 20:10

Hicks wrote:
BerylJ wrote:
Searcher wrote:I am very interested in the versions of what KM allegedly said/called out on the night of 3 May.  One version, as said earlier here, is "They've taken her ..".

In the horrific circumstances of a child missing from their bed, what would a mother say in that agonising moment?   She is likely to say the truth - "I can't find her ... we must look .. where is she?" and the mother would be out, calling for her child, frantic to look and to find.

If the alleged words "They have taken her .." or "The Fxxxxxx Bxxxxx have taken her" were reliably witnessed, then this must be a known truth.  Therefore, who are "they"?  And if so, was this an alive child taken or a deceased one? 

The other alleged words at the same time are "We have let her down ..". 

Also, as has been said in various places many times, if a child was presumed abducted, would a parent leave the apartment with two other children still sleeping, even for a moment?
In that agonizing moment of finding my child missing, what would I say/shout? The child's name. I would scream the name. Nothing else at that time.
Listen to Kate in this vid. I believe that she is talking about the couple who were to adopt M. Note how guarded she is in what she says, can't give the game away now Kate!


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Post by jeanmonroe 17.08.13 20:14

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ugh, ugh ,ugh , i'll saves ya Hicks!
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ugh, ugh ,ugh , i'll saves ya Hicks!
Haha....I need saving!
I tried doing what you said Jean and it posted the same way, when my son next comes round I'll get him to show me.thumbsup.
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Post by PeterMac 17.08.13 21:56

But let us never forget the words of the immortal Clarence on this very subject al those years ago . . .
From Correio da Manhã: A source connected with the investigation guaranteed that the facts told by António Castela were "investigated" and the “lead was proven false”.

Madeleine has no Twitches

Clarence Mitchell, spokesman for the McCanns, reacted yesterday with amazement at the declarations of the taxi-driver. “The declarations of Mr. Castela are false. They are a perfect nonsense. He can only be mistaken when he says that at that time he transported Kate and Madeleine with three men”, he said, underlining the fact of being several independent witnesses who place Madeleine's parents in a completely different place. “How is that possible, if at 20h35 several witnesses say that Kate and Gerry were sitting down on a table of the Tapas restaurant”, he questioned. Clarence doubts of the intentions of the taxi-driver. “It astonishes me that only now, ten months later, [which puts it at March 2008]  he talks about this. These are declarations that only cause pain to Kate and Gerry", he said, advancing that that the McCann's daughter has no facial twitches.
“The only sign to report is the one she has in the eye.”
Ah, yes, the eye./  Another foot in mouth by the spokesthing.

And that was a long time ago !
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Post by maebee 18.08.13 0:14

As Dr. Amaral said about Mitchell: "He lies with as many teeth he has in his mouth"
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Post by Harriet94 18.08.13 0:28

How could you possibly dismiss "facial twitches" isn't that a symptom not a sign?
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Post by Harriet94 18.08.13 0:44

How would a PR bloke know the difference between signs and symptoms.
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Post by Harriet94 18.08.13 1:11

I am sure your clients  didn't really dismiss this sighting on the basis of" Madeleine didn't have a twitch"
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Post by aiyoyo 18.08.13 9:42

PeterMac wrote:But let us never forget the words of the immortal Clarence on this very subject al those years ago . . .
From Correio da Manhã: A source connected with the investigation guaranteed that the facts told by António Castela were "investigated" and the “lead was proven false”.

Madeleine has no Twitches

Clarence Mitchell, spokesman for the McCanns, reacted yesterday with amazement at the declarations of the taxi-driver. “The declarations of Mr. Castela are false. They are a perfect nonsense. He can only be mistaken when he says that at that time he transported Kate and Madeleine with three men”, he said, underlining the fact of being several independent witnesses who place Madeleine's parents in a completely different place. “How is that possible, if at 20h35 several witnesses say that Kate and Gerry were sitting down on a table of the Tapas restaurant”, he questioned. Clarence doubts of the intentions of the taxi-driver. “It astonishes me that only now, ten months later, [which puts it at March 2008]  he talks about this. These are declarations that only cause pain to Kate and Gerry", he said, advancing that that the McCann's daughter has no facial twitches.
“The only sign to report is the one she has in the eye.”
Ah, yes, the eye./  Another foot in mouth by the spokesthing.

And that was a long time ago !
Tony Bassett of Daily Star stated this in his article "McCann family spokesman Clarence Mitchell says the taxi driver’s claims should be investigated."

It seems Clarence cannot make up his mind. Either that, or author made it up.

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Post by jeanmonroe 18.08.13 12:47

Aiyoyo:
"It seems Clarence cannot make up his mind"

Yep! First he's a Labour Party media monitor, for many, many years, and then, lightbulb moment, discovers that he is, and always has been, a caring Conservative!
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Post by plebgate 20.08.13 21:01

A caring conservative just like Maggie. big grin big grin 

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