Re: NOT AGAIN!!!!! - Portugal cabbie offers lead to Scotland Yard's Madeleine McCann investigation -Standard 16/8/13

by Mike 16.08.13 17:12

@ Hicks

how doyou explain the dogs?

by **Hobs** 16.08.13 17:38

Remember also that Robert Murat looks almost identical to david payne and both of them look scarily similar to an estate agent who lived in PDL Angus Symington.

which ever way the story is spun the reactions of the blood and cadaver dogs to the aprtment, clothes, cuddle cat and the hire car are the elephant in the lounge. They simply cannot be ignored

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by Hicks 16.08.13 18:10

chris wrote:@ Hicks

how doyou explain the dogs?

Ok...this might sound a bit far fetched but not impossible........judging by the swiftness that the marketing of M was put into place, the 'several' postcard size photos of M ready and available to be distributed almost straight away, I believe that there was a plan to have M adopted and make it look like she had been abducted but then perhaps the backed out(30th April)( remember Gerry, secretly filmed, laughing and joking a few days after M went missing just outside of the door of 5a?)

What if, as part of the plan, the MC'S had brought the scent of death with them? they are two doctors who would be forensically aware, they would find it easy to get access to materials with it on, this would confuse things as there would definitely be no body to find, in fact, it is as though Gerry throws us out the challenge by saying," find her body and prove we killed her", and, "ask the dogs Sandra". The blood would be easy to sort.
Apart form this scenario....I can't explain the dogs.

by Cristobell 16.08.13 19:07

As some have said this story has been round the block a few times. Saw another version in the Mirror too in which the cabbie says no-one has contacted him in 5 years. So all those detectives, starting with Metodo 3, Hallagen, Edgar and whoever else, have never spoken to him. The only thing this really confirms is that McCann private eyes have in fact done nothing of an investigative nature this past 6 years.

by Hicks 16.08.13 20:17

Cristobell wrote:As some have said this story has been round the block a few times. Saw another version in the Mirror too in which the cabbie says no-one has contacted him in 5 years. So all those detectives, starting with Metodo 3, Hallagen, Edgar and whoever else, have never spoken to him. The only thing this really confirms is that McCann private eyes have in fact done nothing of an investigative nature this past 6 years.

This story never would get any attention as it did not fit in with the timelines given by the MC'S or their friends, nobody it seems looked beyond their strictly accurate, straightforward, truthful account of the evening of May 3rd 2007!

by russiandoll 16.08.13 22:29

Just on a preview of the front pages review on Sky, due 10.30 pm. This taxi driver story is on Express front page tomorrow.

by Guest 16.08.13 22:31

With hat tip to PeterMac: Express want their money back ...

by Guest 16.08.13 22:38

russiandoll wrote:Just on a preview of the front pages review on Sky, due 10.30 pm. This taxi driver story is on Express front page tomorrow.

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by Guest 17.08.13 0:23

The headline about the heat is very bad news for me!

I daresay this silly story will eventually be in all the tabloids again with no mention of it being regurgitated.

by Guest 17.08.13 8:16

candyfloss wrote:
russiandoll wrote:Just on a preview of the front pages review on Sky, due 10.30 pm. This taxi driver story is on Express front page tomorrow.
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Same old, same old!

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This online edition has a different picture of Maddie.

by aiyoyo 17.08.13 11:54

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Antonio Castela says three men, a woman and a girl who resembled the missing three-year-old got into his cab in the Algarve.

Mr Castela, 73, says the little girl was wearing pink pyjamas like Madeleine and had the same distinctive mark in her right eye.

How on earth at that time (4th May) did he know what Madeleine's pyjamas looks like ?
How did he manage to see into the eyes of Madeleine from the front seat while he was driving ?

Either he's over imaginative or barking mad as frog.

But although he reported his sighting to Portugal’s CID, the Policia Judiciaria, and gave police a statement, he never heard anything further.

Now that Home Secretary Theresa May has applied for official permission for Scotland Yard officers to launch a new investigation in Portugal, they could fly out within weeks. Mr Castela said: “I want to tell them what I saw and assist in the investigation. I remember all the details.”

by Guest 17.08.13 12:23

aiyoyo wrote:
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Antonio Castela says three men, a woman and a girl who resembled the missing three-year-old got into his cab in the Algarve.

Mr Castela, 73, says the little girl was wearing pink pyjamas like Madeleine and had the same distinctive mark in her right eye.

How on earth at that time (4th May) did he know what Madeleine's pyjamas looks like ?
How did he manage to see into the eyes of Madeleine from the front seat while he was driving ?

Either he's over imaginative or barking mad as frog.

But although he reported his sighting to Portugal’s CID, the Policia Judiciaria, and gave police a statement, he never heard anything further.

Now that Home Secretary Theresa May has applied for official permission for Scotland Yard officers to launch a new investigation in Portugal, they could fly out within weeks. Mr Castela said: “I want to tell them what I saw and assist in the investigation. I remember all the details.”

One sandwich short of a picnic!

by Guest 17.08.13 12:28

Let's hope it wasn't the sardine sandwich.

I think that Mr C can definitely join the ranks of the drunken holidaymakers, attention seekers and ex-pats who are sure, months after the event, that they saw Madeleine.

Thanks to the vastly differing photos and incorrect information about her appearance, nobody has any idea what she really looked like.

by Searcher 17.08.13 12:51

If the cabbie believed at the time that he saw something significant, but it was allegedly not investigated, then why did he not go straight to the media in 2007?

It should also be said that screen memories can play huge tricks especially after a gap of several years. Yet it is being presented virtually as fact.

I am also interested as to why the D. Express have chosen to give this story front-page prominence in today's edition - but nothing on the witness statements of the Smiths and Dr. Gaspar.

by Searcher 17.08.13 12:52

If the cabbie believed at the time that he saw something significant, but it was allegedly not investigated, then why did he not go straight to the media in 2007?

It should also be said that screen memories can play huge tricks especially after a gap of several years. Yet it is being presented virtually as fact.

I am also interested as to why the D. Express have chosen to give this story front-page prominence in today's edition - but nothing on the witness statements of the Smiths and Dr. Gaspar.

by jeanmonroe 17.08.13 13:05

Cherry asked:

"How on earth at that time (4th May) did he know what Madeleine's pyjamas looked like? "
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Yes, how is THAT possible?

WE only knew what the pyjamas, supposedly, looked like, for the FIRST time, when Kate and Gerry went to Berlin on 6th JUNE 2007.
A whole MONTH after Madeleine went 'missing'!
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So HOW Mr C 'knew' what Madeleine in pyjamas 'looked like' a DAY after she went 'missing' is anybody's guess!

by Hicks 17.08.13 13:07

Searcher wrote:If the cabbie believed at the time that he saw something significant, but it was allegedly not investigated, then why did he not go straight to the media in 2007?

It should also be said that screen memories can play huge tricks especially after a gap of several years. Yet it is being presented virtually as fact.

I am also interested as to why the D. Express have chosen to give this story front-page prominence in today's edition - but nothing on the witness statements of the Smiths and Dr. Gaspar.

Ok, I am going to try and post this once more! splat

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Please look at this taxi-drivers story from 2008.
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Note he said the female 'looked like Kate, he didn't insist that it was definitely her.

Please read CM reaction to it back then and the later retraction.
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Strange isn't it that at first CM completely rubbishes this story, haven' to date heard him do that to any other sighting no matter how bizarre they may seem, no indeed, he will say that 'they did the right thing in coming forward.

by Hicks 17.08.13 13:09

Hicks wrote:
Searcher wrote:If the cabbie believed at the time that he saw something significant, but it was allegedly not investigated, then why did he not go straight to the media in 2007?

It should also be said that screen memories can play huge tricks especially after a gap of several years. Yet it is being presented virtually as fact.

I am also interested as to why the D. Express have chosen to give this story front-page prominence in today's edition - but nothing on the witness statements of the Smiths and Dr. Gaspar.
Ok, I am going to try and post this once more! .

Please look at this taxi-drivers story from 2008.
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Note he said the female 'looked like Kate, he didn't insist that it was definitely her.

Please read CM reaction to it back then and the later retraction.
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.].

Strange isn't it that at first CM completely rubbishes this story, haven' to date heard him do that to any other sighting no matter how bizarre they may seem, no indeed, he will say that 'they did the right thing in coming forward.

Oops....Sorry about the space taken up by the links. Perhaps someone would be kind enough to tell me how to post without this happening. smilie

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by Guest 17.08.13 13:16

Hicks wrote:
Hicks wrote:
Searcher wrote:If the cabbie believed at the time that he saw something significant, but it was allegedly not investigated, then why did he not go straight to the media in 2007?

It should also be said that screen memories can play huge tricks especially after a gap of several years. Yet it is being presented virtually as fact.

I am also interested as to why the D. Express have chosen to give this story front-page prominence in today's edition - but nothing on the witness statements of the Smiths and Dr. Gaspar.
Ok, I am going to try and post this once more! .

Please look at this taxi-drivers story from 2008.
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.].

Note he said the female 'looked like Kate, he didn't insist that it was definitely her.

Please read CM reaction to it back then and the later retraction.
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.].

Strange isn't it that at first CM completely rubbishes this story, haven' to date heard him do that to any other sighting no matter how bizarre they may seem, no indeed, he will say that 'they did the right thing in coming forward.
Oops....Sorry about the space taken up by the links. Perhaps someone would be kind enough to tell me how to post without this happening. .

I posted the correct links to Joana Morais and Potting Shedder earlier in thread.

by jeanmonroe 17.08.13 13:19

Hicks:

When you have the 'page' up just right click the http: bit , it will highlight in blue, and on the little menu drop down left click on copy.
Then when you want to insert into your post right click mouse, select paste, and left click on PASTE, to insert into post

by Hicks 17.08.13 13:30

candyfloss wrote:
Hicks wrote:
Hicks wrote:
Searcher wrote:If the cabbie believed at the time that he saw something significant, but it was allegedly not investigated, then why did he not go straight to the media in 2007?

It should also be said that screen memories can play huge tricks especially after a gap of several years. Yet it is being presented virtually as fact.

I am also interested as to why the D. Express have chosen to give this story front-page prominence in today's edition - but nothing on the witness statements of the Smiths and Dr. Gaspar.
Ok, I am going to try and post this once more! .

Please look at this taxi-drivers story from 2008.
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.].

Note he said the female 'looked like Kate, he didn't insist that it was definitely her.

Please read CM reaction to it back then and the later retraction.
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.].

Strange isn't it that at first CM completely rubbishes this story, haven' to date heard him do that to any other sighting no matter how bizarre they may seem, no indeed, he will say that 'they did the right thing in coming forward.
Oops....Sorry about the space taken up by the links. Perhaps someone would be kind enough to tell me how to post without this happening. .
I posted the correct links to Joana Morais and Potting Shedder earlier in thread.

Ah, sorry got a bit carried away!

by Hicks 17.08.13 13:32

jeanmonroe wrote:Hicks:

When you have the 'page' up just right click the http: bit , it will highlight in blue, and on the little menu drop down left click on copy.
Then when you want to insert into your post right click mouse, select paste, and left click on PASTE, to insert into post

by Searcher 17.08.13 13:56

Thankyou Hicks and Candyfloss. I have searched quite widely over the years but really appreciate the 2007/08 material on the taxi driver, which I have not read before. It does seem very strange, and not a 'screen memory' as I thought.

Much to consider, especially given today's version in the Express - which makes it appear to be a "new story", only just emerging. Thankyou again.

by wen_eva 17.08.13 14:24

Good afternoon all.
I`m usually too afraid to just jump in & speak but today after hearing again about the taxi driver, I had some thoughts.
Only thoughts, you understand, nothing brilliant.
Thought one. The taxi driver did indeed carry a Madeleine & Kate look-a-like away from the Ocean club area.
There has been talk of a substitute Madaline being used all that week because possibly the real one no longer was, & the sub would have to be whisked away quickly.
The mother of that Madaline is said to look similar to Kate. There are several men who could be mistaken for Murat etc.

This would still leave the group eating where they said they were.

The second version of my thoughts would be that it was staged for the taxi driver to see these people, particularly the girl in pyjamas with problem eye. I do not see how else he would notice details like he says he did.
IMO it could have been set up in order to prove Madeleine left the area alive. Or it could have been a substitute etc thinking they were getting away unseen once their job was done.

Thanks for listening

by Guest 17.08.13 14:43

wen_eva wrote:Good afternoon all.
I`m usually too afraid to just jump in & speak but today after hearing again about the taxi driver, I had some thoughts.
Only thoughts, you understand, nothing brilliant.
Thought one. The taxi driver did indeed carry a Madeleine & Kate look-a-like away from the Ocean club area.
There has been talk of a substitute Madaline being used all that week because possibly the real one no longer was, & the sub would have to be whisked away quickly.
The mother of that Madaline is said to look similar to Kate. There are several men who could be mistaken for Murat etc.

This would still leave the group eating where they said they were.

The second version of my thoughts would be that it was staged for the taxi driver to see these people, particularly the girl in pyjamas with problem eye. I do not see how else he would notice details like he says he did.
IMO it could have been set up in order to prove Madeleine left the area alive. Or it could have been a substitute etc thinking they were getting away unseen once their job was done.

Thanks for listening

Hi wen-eva, and welcome. welcome

Interesting theories.

by wen_eva 17.08.13 15:08

Thank you Candyfloss.

by Searcher 17.08.13 15:21

Interesting thoughts and theories; I have long had a concern about 3rd May, including the handwriting entries at the creche.

The Express article today does mention that the taxi driver reported previously to the PJ, but it does not mention anything about a KM look-alike being one of the four adults (three men and one woman), as he allegedly reported originally. It is hard to believe that such a coincidence could occur and, esp. if these were English people, why haven't they ever been traced, or come forward to identify themselves?

by jeanmonroe 17.08.13 15:33

So what day did this man see Madeleine in her pyjamas?

If it was the 3rd May 2007 at 8pm as he (taxi driver) states then Gerry couldn't have seen Madeleine in her bed at 9:05pm could he?
JT could NOT have seen Madeleine being carried of at 9:15/20pm could she?
Madeleine would have been 'gone' an HOUR or more before Gerry's 'check'
Madeleine would have been 'gone' an hour or more BEFORE J Tanner 'saw' her being carried away.

So that's their carefully crafted BS 'timelines' totally discredited beyond recognition!

If it were the 4th May 2007, at 8pm, then how would the taxi driver KNOW that Madeleine was 'wearing' (pink pyjamas) because the description of the 'pyjamas' was only released to the world by the McCanns on the 5th/6th JUNE 2007.

A MONTH later!

And, as Kate McCann has said and shown us, in Berlin, the pyjama bottoms were WHITE!

As JT has told the world she only SAW the pj 'bottoms, with bare feet sticking out' why did she go to great lengths to stress they were PINK?,

Kate and Gerry say WHITE, Jane their mate says PINK!

Another Freudian 'slip' ? JT not reading the 'crib' sheet correctly AGAIN?

As for Gerry's insistance ad nauseum, that Jane couldn't have known what pj's Madeleine had on, so it MUST of been Madeleine being 'carried' off that excuse is wearing a bit thin.

He had ample time to TELL her exactly what Madeleine was wearing when SHE got to Tapas before any of their other 'friends' arrived!
JT was at the Tapas a quarter of an hour with the McCanns, alone!

She was the 'plain Jane' ,compared to the glamorous others, of the group and maybe she thought 'this is the one time in my life where i will be the centre of attention'

IMO Tanner completely messed up her timings, descriptions, distances, where people were meant 'to be' etc. And certainly didn't do Gerry any favours by drawing a sketch with HIM and Jez on her side of the street near 5A and not where Gerry says he was on the OTHER side of the street!
Adrenaline 'rush'?
Who knows?

by marconi 17.08.13 15:57

The taxi driver is lying and why shouldn't he?
He wanted attention and more clients.
The older I get, the more I find out that people lie.

by Hicks 17.08.13 16:32

jeanmonroe wrote:So what day did this man see Madeleine in her pyjamas?

If it was the 3rd May 2007 at 8pm as he (taxi driver) states then Gerry couldn't have seen Madeleine in her bed at 9:05pm could he?
JT could NOT have seen Madeleine being carried of at 9:15/20pm could she?
Madeleine would have been 'gone' an HOUR or more before Gerry's 'check'
Madeleine would have been 'gone' an hour or more BEFORE J Tanner 'saw' her being carried away.

If it were the 4th May 2007, at 8pm, then how would the taxi driver KNOW that Madeleine was 'wearing' (pink pyjamas) because the description of the 'pyjamas' was only released to the world by the McCanns on the 5th/6th JUNE 2007.

A MONTH later!

And, as Kate McCann has said and shown us, in Berlin, the pyjama bottoms were WHITE!

As JT has told the world she only SAW the pj 'bottoms, with bare feet sticking out' why did she go to great lengths to stress they were PINK?,

Kate and Gerry say WHITE, Jane their mate says PINK!

Another Freudian 'slip' ? JT not reading the 'crib' sheet correctly AGAIN?

As for Gerry's insistance ad nauseum, that Jane couldn't have known what pj's Madeleine had on, so it MUST of been Madeleine being 'carried' off that excuse is wearing a bit thin.

He had ample time to TELL her exactly what Madeleine was wearing when SHE got to Tapas before any of their other 'friends' arrived!
JT was at the Tapas a quarter of an hour with the McCanns, alone!

She was the 'plain Jane' ,compared to the glamorous others, of the group and maybe she thought 'this is the one time in my life where i will be the centre of attention'

IMO Tanner completely messed up her timings, descriptions, distances, where people were meant 'to be' etc.
Adrenaline 'rush'?
Who knows?

Jean, SY have two new key witnesses who gave them the info about the middle aged couple going into 5a on the May 2nd to comfort a crying child.
Even better than that they can give absolute assurances that on the night May 3rd, due to being on their balcony having a whisky at '9.15' they did not see JT, GM or JW in the street, in fact, they didn't see anyone at this time below in the street or going into 5a.
Apparently the Express has been to Portugal and made a visit to this balcony which looks out over the tapas bar and directly into 5a, it has the best view of the whole block.
These are also the witnesses who saw Kate screaming, "the F***ing B***ards have taken her".

So that would mean that the MC'S and all of their friends are being extremely economical with the truth!

NOT AGAIN!!!!! - Portugal cabbie offers lead to Scotland Yard's Madeleine McCann investigation -Standard 16/8/13